41 thoughts on “Why a great education means engaging with controversy | Jon Zimmerman”

  1. Don't tell Faceborg, Shitter or YouTube. They've already decided we aren't allowed to see any of that awful wrongthink.

  2. Yes, I ve seen such "tv debates" – 4 people shouting at each other, or better yet 3 people of the exact same opinion and from the same party and the 4th person shouted at and silenced, even by the jurno who present the debate. 😀

  3. Addressing artificial controversy bears none of the benefits of addressing controversy, and all of the ills. If your "controversy" consists entirely of previously disproven ignorance and bad faith argument, engaging with it is wholly negative, and purposeless for anyone but the bad faith provocateur.

    And that is the unspoken issue with this entire matter. People choosing to pretend bad faith controversy is legitimate controversy.

  4. For a teacher to tell their political opinion is an edge case that requires a lot of care. A teacher is in a position of authority over students, holds the ability to lower students grades. I did have an English professor in college that lowered my grade until I told her what she wanted to hear. The issue isn't that teachers can't have opinions, but they should never be allowed to force those opinions on others due to their position.As long as an honest discussion is allowed and students academic grades are not being impacted due to not holding a teachers opinion then this would be great. The sad fact is by denying the ability to have these discussions, people become more violent and less likely to consider alternative positions.

  5. Schools are utterly terrified of controversial subjects simply because parents and the people who fund the schools are so damn kneejerk reactionary when it comes to these subjects. All it takes it for ONE person to get offended by a subject, put it on Twitter or Facebook, and there's a mob scene. Of the parents and the people who count in the community, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of them completely LACK the ability to even BEGIN to discuss controversial subjects in a proper manner because most of THEM were never taught how to do it. Our education system is structured to teach people to study, parrot information, and then, kick people out the door without teaching ANY critical thinking skills. The only way that SERIOUS critical thinking skills are really learned is by going into higher education and only by studying specific fields. Most people lack even the BASIC skills to engage in, controversial subjects, or ask, "What counts as evidence?", or "How can I tell a good source of information from a bad source or information?", or "What is cognitive bias and how can I eliminate mine when I discuss these subjects or when I look for information to find the facts?".

  6. I don’t know what kind of high schools and colleges you all have been in lately, but I engaged with controversial issues throughout my high school and college experiences, and now I continue to oversee those kind of discussions as a high school teacher. There are lots of good things going on in our education system today.

  7. if you're not courting controversy in some significant way then you're not doing scholarship correctly. at worst you're just wasting everyone's time and money.

  8. It’s more of a lack of logic and knowledge that makes the rope loose. It’s not our lack of controversial discussion, but instead, a lack of objective analysis.

    I do agree that it should be taught though. Learning what’s in the video is not a bad idea. Giving the idea on how to respectfully communicate in discussion is important. But the focus should be on developing objective analysis or logic.

  9. Unfortunately there is a very vocal minority of people that make all the fuss. These people are able to influence platform's by contacting advertisers about, selected abhorrent things. Those platforms then restrict use to keep the main source of revenue flowing. This makes the loud minority idea more prevalent because, the "abhorrent" ideas have been restricted, regardless of their actual level of toxicity. This causes the faux normalization of the idea of "I'm offended, therefor shut up." is making it more acceptable to say so in reality. The Vox's of the world would have you believe a Crowder's of the world are literally doing harm to them by speaking and, when they succeed the next target is chosen.
    Who knows why this is happening now, 4chan would have you believe its some Mossad is responsible; Tumblr would say it's necessary; and Reddit would say it's inevitable. They aren't monoliths though so if you take the X site has X people you'd be wrong. Check out the places you think are full of bad people and look around. I'm positive you'll see you are wrong for the most part.

  10. The reason by people don't state their opinion is the fear of social ostrisization and non-acceptance into the groupthink conformity of the brainwashed populist thinking majority.

  11. Meanwhile, there are groups of flat earthers criticizing everyone who are against their belief and boom blame everything to the propaganda, govt. or some shit.

  12. Yeah, yeah it's all the teachers fault. Let's pile on more for the teachers to accomplish with their day huh Zimmerman, we'll insist teachers discuss controversial topics so kids can learn debate as that's turned out so well with evolution; it's only the teacher's livelihood the parents on one side or the other will be calling for as their pound of flesh. Jerk

  13. The school system in the United states is borrowed from Prussia. It's made to make people all the same. To make workers. Standard. We need to change it.

  14. That is why Free Speech means the constitutionally protected right to inadvertently offend someone whenever we express our opinion.

  15. Not really. We dont need to engage with flat earthers or anti vaxxers or creationists. Just because its "controversial" doesn't mean it's worth discussing

  16. What controversies aren't being discussed? This isn't a problem I ran into and it's not a problem I'm seeing on any large scale. Teachers generally aren't afraid to teach relevant controversies, it's just that outside of theoretical physics, there aren't a lot of relevant controversies in useful education.

    If you take a philosophy or social sciences class, the majority of your coursework is basically discussing and debating controversies of all sizes. And one of the biggest controversies in education is whether or not these kinds of courses are necessary for a "great education" as they don't directly contribute to job skills. So I'm really not seeing a lack of controversies being taught in the classrooms.

    He really shows his hand when he 1) doesn't provide specific examples, and 2) claims that the "'safe space' doctrine is about fear". Bruh, "safe space" just means that it's a place free from bigotry and harassment. I hardly think being called a f*g in class is part of a "great education" and will result in the meaningful growth of life/work skills.

    Also, I don't know what English class this guy is going to, but "what is love?" is part of philosophy, not English. Higher level English is more: "what do words really mean?". And same goes for high level history, the purpose/function of democracy is mostly a law/politics subject (with some intersection with history) while high-level history classes are generally more about discovering hidden truths to world events.

  17. Free speech is great and must be protected, but I am not going to have a “discussion” or “debate” with someone over whether or not I am fully human. You can say whatever you want, it does not mean we have to respect whatever you say.

  18. People just take offense. They completely kill the discussion with being offended. Once you make it personal.. perspective dies.

    Knowledge is never personal. It's meant to be shared.

  19. People need to learn to think for themselves instead of just reading things and accepting it as true.

  20. Is there even any room left for controversy in public space nowadays?
    If you are not politically correct, if you are controversial, we won’t like you.

  21. Im from the 80's and in my experience i never saw a time of censorship like the one we are living right now.
    Just go to any university and try to talk about something against the SJW mainstream ideas. Its a Sad time for free speech, just hope the next generation can fix it.

  22. Without controversy we lose the ability to think radically and evolve, the social norm of modern day has created an environment void of growth and plagued with a cult like progressive ideology. I hope we can learn from 2016 onward what being sensitive does to the whole of culture.

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