The missing step in weight loss || Education EPISODE || with Irene Lyon

(lively music) – [Irene] Hey, there you
guys, it’s Irene Lyon here. And welcome to this interview that I did with Shannon Sullivan, who is the co-founder of
a online virtual summit called the Fat Girl Slim Summit. So this summit was all
about health and wellness and weight loss, and diet and nutrition, and emotional health. And I came in and provided
the piece on trauma, and how adverse experiences
when we’re young and really threaten our entire life, as well as chronic stress,
how this contributes to our inability to lose weight
effectively and keep it off. After a few people heard this interview, they contacted me and we’re
immediately intrigued by how it could potentially
be that the reason they have struggled their
entire lives to lose weight even though they eat
well and they exercise was because of the
elements we talked about. So I won’t hold it back anymore. Here is the interview I
did with Shannon Sullivan and the Fat Girl Slim Summit. – [Shannon] Hi, I’m Shannon Sullivan, and welcome to the Fat Girl Slim Summit. Where we get to speak with leading women, health and wellness experts to learn about loving your
body, releasing the weight, stop putting your life on hold, and start living the life of your dreams. And today, I’m speaking with Irene Lyon, nervous system specialist
and therapeutic coach who helps everyone from the mom next door to the next big thought
leaders transform their bodies, businesses, relationships and lives through regulating their nervous system. Irene has a masters degree in research in the field of biomedical
and health science. And she knows that when
we’ve had early stress whether it’d be chronic
or acute, it affects our biochemical and neurochemical
pathways we’ve formed and determines how we
react to our environment. She also had uncovered
ways that this early stress actually dictate how we
think, act and feel as adults. So, if you think your
habits could be the result of something like this,
or if traumatic stress could be the reason that you
can’t shed that excess weight, stay tuned to find out why. So, Irene, welcome to
the Fat Girl Slim Summit. We’re so excited to have you here today. – [Irene] Hey there, Shannon. Hey, thank you so much for having me. I’m looking forward to our chat. – [Shannon] Yes, me too, I’m so excited. And let’s just jump
right in with that, so– – [Irene] Totally, yes. – [Shannon] I know you
have a unique history. And you even started out one way and kinda transformed into a different way, what led you to become
a therapeutic coach? – [Irene] Right. Well, it is a long story. It’s like a 20-year story, so I’ll give you the five-minute version. – [Shannon] Okay. – [Irene] Yeah, I got
into, in my late teens when I was going into university, I got into exercise science. So, I studied to be a fitness trainer, exercise physiology major
and even applied nutrition. So I was really into studying nutrition, specifically sports nutrition. And believe it or not, the
effects of fat, like good fat, like essential fatty acids on health. And I did that for about 10 years. And I got into it ’cause
of my own injuries, I’m a ski racer really
into fitness and all that. And what happened is I had all
these injuries and surgeries in my mid 20’s on my knees, ’cause when you ski race,
you often injure your knees. And I was doing my rehabilitation. And everything I had learned,
no joke, wasn’t helping me. And I had just spent 10 years
in post-secondary education with really good teachers. And I was even teaching people
and working with people, helping them rehabilitate
injury and muscle imbalances. And so I kind of had
to go, this isn’t good. I just love my parents. They just spent a lot of
money on my education, a lot of time. And I went, uh-oh, this isn’t good. So, my physiotherapist, that’s what we call them here
in Canada, physical therapist, said to me, You gotta
do try something else because you’re technically all better, but something is making your body still really tight and stiff and I was sore, like
I looked great, right? ‘Cause I was rehabbing so much. But, I just want what’s better. And so he said, you might wanna try this other form of more alternative
therapy called Feldenkrais. Now, Feldenkrais is, for
those of you that don’t know, it’s a form of really advanced
kind of brain and thought, mind, body work. And it was developed by a man by the name of Moshe Feldenkrais. He was kind of like the
godfather of neuroplasticity. And for those that don’t
know what neuroplasticity is, it’s the capacity for the
brain and body to rewire and change pathways that are
either faulty or even dead. And so I’m like, I’ll
try anything, so I did it to make a long story short. And within four weeks of
doing this amazing work, my whole system was, for lack
of a better word, healed. And I went, oh, my goodness! Like, how could this
simple practice that’s very intentional-based, mindfulness-based,
body-based do this? So I had to study it. So I studied that for
four years in a training. Got my certification, started
practicing with people. I was then living in the town
of Whistler, British Columbia which is a ski resort, and seeing a lot of people
with injuries like me. But then, the next piece happened and I was getting a lot of
good success for a lot people the way this work had helped me, but there were still a
subset of individuals that I couldn’t help. And when I started to
look at them, I realized that these people had had some
pretty significant trauma. So, really bad accidents, horrific childhood adversity abuse, just really not my stuff. And even though I was being
really good at my work, I wasn’t tapping in to this layer. So that’s where I then started to go back to the drawing board and
go, what else am I missing? And what it was that I was
missing the trauma response. I was missing how our bodies
when we go under stress through traumatic event,
through chronic stress, we kinda get stuck in this
chaotic cycle internally in the body’s physiology, and it doesn’t allow us to heal properly. And in the case of the people that the summit that you’re doing, it also shuts down the metabolism. And when our metabolism is shut down, we don’t burn energy in the same way, we don’t have the same
kind of vitality and energy to go out and do things
and not only exercise but also heal our system. So, I got into this other form of work called somatic experiencing
which is then going to be, we’re gonna see a lot
more of this in the press as time goes on. The founder of it, Peter
Levine, really realized that, as humans like you and me and
everyone listening to this, as humans in the industrialized world, we do not know how to release stress versus animals in the wild. When they have a stressful
event, they get over it. They shake it off, they run it off or they don’t survive, right? Kind of like eat or be eaten, whereas us, we have this tendency to
hold on to our stress, to suppress our emotions, to
harbor resentment and anger and all of that and we keep it. And when we keep it stored
up, it causes a lot of havoc on our body’s physiology. So that’s kinda how I got to this point. ‘Cause I was working in
fitness, and I liked it, but I could see if I really
wanted to help change people from the root that I was
really missing these steps, these deeper steps. So, that’s kinda how I got from fat to being what I call myself
a nervous system specialist. – [Shannon] Yeah, and it makes sense now that you walked us through all the steps, because initially, it
does found so different. But, see how you organically kind of changed as you could see, okay, I need to step up my work. I need to change the route of my work. And I actually think that
that gives a lot of hope to people who, like you
said, like, they’ve been trying all the traditional methods or all the methods that
are out there in the media and thinking, why does this not work? And then it just causes more
turmoil within themselves and it’s really getting them nowhere. So, if you, let me see, if you had to, if you had to give– – [Irene] One thing– – [Shannon] Oh, yeah, continue. – [Irene] No, I’m sorry
to cut you off there. The thing that just popped into my mind and I see it every day, I worked out at the gym in the local Y, and you always see the
magazines at the counter top. And that time of year where people are talking
about resolutions and, and it doesn’t change on
the popular press magazine, like, how to cut five pounds
of fat before the New Year, or how to get rock-hard abs, I mean, we’ve all seen these
headlines and it’s kinda like, if that really worked, to
really think about this, if resolutions worked, if
what we were doing worked, we wouldn’t be coming
back to the same dialogue every turn of the calendar, right? And, it pained me when I was
in my 20’s working in fitness, where I worked in the
downtown core of Vancouver with a lot of high, go,
go, go, type H user people. New Years would come along, everybody would be all into
getting fit and losing weight, and they had good intention. But the thing was that, I would say, and I’m being generous
here with my numbers, I would say that for
every 10 people that I saw and put through a new program and assessed them in the New Year, maybe only one to two of
them would still be added this time, like, in the year. Like, so they would start in January, and by the time we got
to November, December, they would not be on their program. And it’s like, what the heck is happening? You know,’cause they know what they need. They know what it takes. They know how to eat well. Intelligent people, they know. Even kids know. When I used to work up in Whistler, I would go into the school
then educate children. And I got to tell the story ’cause it’s actually really poignant. I was teaching these children
about food and nutrition, and it was like a whole day affair and the parents were in their rooms working with school counselors. And so I have this gymnasium of like, no joke, like 500 kids. And I was teaching them
about omega fatty acids out of all things, and healthy eating. They knew all the answers
when I was quizzing them. They knew it was better
to eat this than this, it was important to do that versus that. And so then I went into the parents’ room and I said, Tell me what you think. I just asked your kids these questions. Do you think they knew the answer? None of the parents
believed that their kids knew the answers. They assumed that their kids
were in a way kinda stupid. And that they didn’t know what
healthy eating was, because they challenged their parents
to eat their vegetables. It’s like, no, it has nothing to do with
the actual food per se. It’s the way that we approach it, and the way that we kind
of create this pressure around eating and around getting active. Anyway, I just thought
of that ’cause, like, at that core, we actually
know what we need to do. So I kinda was looking at what is it that’s deeper in our system that’s passed behavior and
passed knowing the right thing, passed the cognitive level. And if we look at the research, a lot of people that struggle with weight, if we go back to body weight
and body, excess body fat, there has been some significant
trauma in their early years that’s keeping them kind
of in this holding pattern. – [Shannon] Mm-hmm. – [Irene] Does that make sense? – [Shannon] Yeah. So, Irene, when you first
started working with clients, did they already know, like, oh, this is the moment that my life changed? This was my traumatic event? Or does it take them work
pulling that out of them? – [Irene] It varies. It really varies. Some scenarios where people come in, thinking of this one person in particular. She came in because of the concussion, had fallen quite badly and with having trouble
recovering from that. As we dug into her history, she had had a history of eating disorders, quite severe, depression, suicide attempt, and always struggled with her weight. And the concussion, we had
to deal with that first. However, because her
underlying physiology was so, the word to be used is dysregulated. So her nervous system physiology, it didn’t know how to work properly. She couldn’t get the right
cue for hunger, for fullness. There was a lot of shame and guilt because of the eating
disorders, and the, you know, always having to struggle with her weight. She didn’t understand, like, I had to teach separate things that it’s like the reason
this concussion actually is taking a lot longer to heal is because underneath of this
there’s a storm in the body. But this person, highly
successful, very lovely, caring, such a beautiful person, but it’s like, anyway, get another analogy,
I’m gonna bring it back to this question you have. But if you think of a
duck on a water, okay? You know, duck on a lake? And they’re just swimming around. They look so peaceful. They’re just going along. But if you were to look underwater, what are their little feet doing? – [Shannon] Going crazy, yeah. – [Irene] They’re going
crazy, crazy, crazy. That’s what’s going on in
someone that has a physiology that has a lot of early trauma. They may appear to be really fine, but underneath, there’s like this madness. So, there’s two things, a person either knows that
that madness is there, and usually that, an
individual that suffers with a lot of anxiety
’cause they can feel it. But often with people
that are really successful and appear great, they don’t know that their underlying
physiology is kind of, I always say, out-of-whack,
like it’s dysregulated. So in this person’s specific case, it was like, okay, we gotta
work at actually calming the nervous system’s physiology
before we can actually work with this concussion. And what occurred as we started working, and the way I worked with
this regulation piece, they started to actually, their food habit started to just change spontaneously without me having to give specific food advice ’cause that’s not what I do anymore. Because I’ve seen when the
nervous system physiology and the stored stress
can start to dissipate and release safely, the body
knows what to do, right? It knows when it’s hungry,
it knows when it’s full, it knows how to go to sleep at night, it knows when to wake up. But a lot of times people
come through specific issues that are very specific like
a concussion or back pain, or digestive problems, and they think it’s what they’re eating. And then when we really get under it, we then start to look at their childhood. And even though they maybe
didn’t have severe abuse, like rape or physical abuse,
they maybe had verbal abuse, emotional neglect, they were
always having to perform. This is a big one in
North American society. All right, kids that are
being put on the spot and pressured into doing well in school, and not showing fatigue or weakness, and that is going to
play into this corner, of this system physiology which over time, and then you add in chronic stress as going to university
and getting a job and it just compounds and
then we get into adulthood and we’re like, why am I
struggling so hard with this? – [Shannon] Yeah. – [Irene] Saying, yeah? So it varies. Some people are very aware of it and others shine and they come in, and they would never have known
or put together the pieces that the reason they’re not
recovering from this concussion or car accident, pain or whiplash, or migraine, headache, or insomnia is because of this early dysregulation. Or that the reason they can’t
figure out their body weight and they’re dieting,
dieting, you know, doing so, like, some of my clients,
when they come in and see me, they eat so well. So well, like, better than I do. And yet, they struggle, right? So, I’m not sure if that
answered your question. – [Shannon] Oh, yeah! – [Irene] Yeah, okay, cool. – [Shannon] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is really interesting. We touched on a lot of things,
but this, like, underlying, I’ll call it like the duck paddle, right, the creep that we may or my not know, it’s also very hard for other
people to pick up on it. I mean, if we have
everything on the outside pretty much going on, if you
have a successful career, if you have a family, if you
can put in appearance together, like, then it’s on then
outside you’re fooling or you’re putting out
what you want to put out. And then it makes, like, you
were talking about compounding, then it makes you even more difficult. Because if everyone on the outside thinks, oh, they have it down,
then, you start questioning, well, why don’t they have us down? I should, you know? Everyone thinks nobody
understands what’s wrong with me. – [Irene] Mm-hmm. – [Shannon] And I know that– – [Irene] Yeah. – [Shannon] You talked a little bit about, like, how this sort of chronic
stress affects our metabolism and then that leads into
learning how to try and soothe ourselves, how to quiet
the storm that’s going on that we may or may not know about. So, can you tell us more
about those connections? – [Irene] Sure, sure, sure. So, if I’d back up to tell you that, give a crash course in this and, you know, there’s a lot to it. But when we’re born, when a baby is born, they have a half
functioning nervous system. So, our nervous system, our
autonomic nervous system quickly is responsible for two things. One, is our basic biological functions. We don’t have to think about, right now, you and I, our heart is beating and everybody that’s listening to this, heart’s beating, digestion’s working, our urine is being produced in our kidneys if there’s liquid in there. So, that all just happens. We want it to happen automatically. That’s why it’s called
autonomic nervous system. The other part of this system is that it’s responsible
for our survival responses. So, like, everybody has
heard about fight-flight. The adrenalized, it’s like,
oh, people always say, if the tiger was in front of you’d fight and flee. Actually, you wouldn’t
fight, you would flee or you’d shut down ’cause you
know you couldn’t fight it. So, we’ve got that fight-flight. But when a baby is born,
they actually don’t have the fight-flight response on board because a baby can’t fight
and it can’t run, right? It can’t run. A child can’t run until like after age one when they learned how to walk. So those instincts are
actually not on board for them. But what they do have is something called the freeze response, like frozen, freeze. So, that’s fight-flight freeze. Now the freeze response is what we go into when we are helpless and
we can’t fight or flee. So that’s one portion. So, when you got this newborn baby, their physiology is kind of half baked. It’s not complete. The act of bonding, attaching, this is becoming hot
stuff in psychology is proper attachment, secure attachment, nurturing, giving love, that is gonna build up the nervous system, especially the portion
of the nervous system that gives us humanity
which is social engagement and being able to connect with others. But that isn’t onboard
when the baby is born. We have to teach it. And this is where it gets thrown off. If we have got in any way an upbringing that is stressful and there’s a myriad of reasons for this, it can be that parents are stressed, that the parents have trauma from their past that’s still there. If the environment is not safe. Right now, we have a massive, this massive stuff going on
in the world with refugees. Those little people are not safe. But you don’t have to
be in war-torn country to not be able to be safe, it can be in an affluent
suburban white household where parents are
disengaged and not present, a little one is gonna feel that. And they will sense someone
is not there for me right now, or those people that
are there are fighting, or those people that are there don’t know how to connect with me. That little person is gonna feel that. And what they do is they
default to the freeze response. They kinda shut down. And they don’t learn
how to soothe themselves because the parent, the
caregivers, they don’t have those soothing mechanisms in their system, okay? – [Shannon] Mm-hmm. – [Irene] So, what happens
is, from the start, the physiology of that little tiny person is not being built in
the way that it can be. And it goes into this more shutdown, that the real turmoil
give you the sciency term for those that might like the science, they go into what’s
called the dorsal state of the parasympathetic system, where there is low metabolism, the system kinda goes into, in a way, a slight version of shock. We go into this if we have
like a massive accident and we need to preserve our
body and not lead to death. But there is subtle versions of that when we sense that there
isn’t anybody there for us. And so we kinda have to protect ourselves. But a baby does this unconsciously, right? It’s not thinking, okay,
it’s not safe here, I think I’d better go
on to low metabolism. It just does it reflexively ’cause it’s a survival response. So, I’m gonna just put
a little aside to this. People that are listening
to this, I really wanna make sure I’m ethically clean here. This can be a lot, this can be like a huge
triggering thing to learn. So, I don’t tell this to blame parents. It’s not that it’s their fault. In our culture, Shannon, we
just aren’t aware of this. And a lot of the research is
coming out, that it’s like, some of our stressors are passed
on through the generation. We get this in utero if
mom was stressed out. I wanna really stress
out that the good news is that we might have had
this early upbringing, where there’s a lot of stress, maybe a neglect, poor attachment. And, yes, our little systems
might have been put off and put us into sort of
a low metabolic state that we’re still struggling with. But the good thing is that
we can actually shift it and change it. But as a whole, right now,
the evidence, the research, and this is being researched
as really mounting up to the fact that if we had early
adversity when we were young, kinda under the age of three, and our system had to go
into this shutdown state because we couldn’t run away from home ’cause we literally couldn’t run, when we become older, like,
meaning teens, 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, that will show up in our
older years in adult health or adult disease. And some of the main by-products
of this early adversity is obesity, is being overweight, not being able to be physically active because the system is literally depressed. It has low life force, low
life energy, low vitality. And it’s not because the person in lazy. I wanna really stress that. It’s because the stress response systems have been taxed so much that we actually can’t even
get our adrenaline onboard to get us up and go out
for that walk or that run or engage with friends. It’s really in this sort
deep, deep neurochemical, neuro pathway level and how it was taught to us in a way unconsciously from that start. I hope this is making
sense to you right now, Shannon, as you’re listening. – [Shannon] Yeah. I mean, there is– Okay. There’s so much information. But I really think that, no, I was so happy to do this
interview with you, Irene, because you touched on a lot of the things that aren’t really talked about. And you’ve said it
before, you go to the gym, you see these magazines articles, lose five pounds fast, look
this way, do this thing. And then it’s like, give
it a break for a month. Then the magazine will
write about something else, and then they just repackage
it a few months later. And it’s like, that sort of
stuff, you can’t secure that all the time without
eventually being like, uh, how come this isn’t working? – [Irene] And it does, and
sometimes it does work. Sometimes, people go on this crash diet. I mean, actors and actresses
and models do it all the time to get ready for a role and it worked, but it’s very surface level. But the interesting thing is people– I’m thinking of a piece of research that I can’t quote right now, but, people will say improve,
say, their weight, or their whatever, exercise,
and they’ll make a change. But if it’s just from a
behavioral point of view and they haven’t address those duck feet that are going and going, that underlying nervous system physiology, people will then, like a year later, they will have another addiction. They will be into, maybe
they start smoking. Or they start shopping. Or they start getting obsessed with a hobby that’s actually unhealthy. And you actually see this, in for example, people who are alcoholics will go to a 12-step program and they’ll stop drinking. But a lot of these people end up smoking. Or they become caffeine addicts. Or they become sugar addicts. Or they become addicted to exercise. And it’s essentially, the system is looking
for soothing, Shannon. Because in those early
years as a baby, as a child, even as an adolescent, they never learned how to self-soothe. This is key actually. When there wasn’t an opportunity
to learn self-regulation and self-soothing from
our immediate caregivers and from our environment,
we are gonna find, we’re so clever as human beings. We’re gonna find something to soothe us. And that will be some form of addiction. This is where the
addiction comes in, right? Whether it’s food, or
exercise, or sex, or love even, where there’s people that
are in love addict groups, believe it or not. And all that’s happening there, I should say all, it’s a big thing, is that, those people,
those nervous systems inside of those people,
they’re craving soothing. They’re looking for
self-regulation, right? And so if we don’t deal
with that core piece, we can come out losing
weight and getting fitter. But there’s gonna be
something else down the road that’s gonna pop up. And so I’m kind of an
advocate for how can we heal, like a cellular nervous
system biological level, so that we don’t end up
getting another disease when we’re in our 50’s. I had an acquaintance the other
day telling me that her mom was just diagnosed with pre-severe cancer. And her mom doesn’t get
it because she eats well, she exercises, she sleeps. She has all these things. But the mom represses her anger. She doesn’t know how to express emotions. And the research, time and time again, is coming out with this. If we suppress our emotions and
our anger, especially anger, it’s gonna brew inside
of us and cause illness. So it’s kinda like this
multi-pronged approach. We gotta look at everything,
but we really need to, we need to look at the nervous system. And I can tell you right
now, for those listening, if you work at this level, the food piece and the metabolic piece, it
just takes care of itself ’cause the body wants to find regulation. And when we give it the
pieces that it needs, it’s like it drinks it up, like, so fast. – [Shannon] Yeah, I love that. I mean, I love that you
can say it in such a way where it’s not just, oh,
surface, look at this, but it’s really, it’s really
about thinking you can’t just, you can’t just avoid this. If you gotta handle on whatever vice you have going right now without really paying
attention to the true source, then it’s just going to
show up somewhere else. And, I love what you
said because it’s true. A crash diet, a fad diet, it
can work and it does work. But we’re not someone, in
everyone who’s on this summit, you’re not looking for what’s
gonna get through the month, or the holidays, or the
two months, it’s about what’s gonna get you
through the next 10 years, you know, 20 years. – [Irene] Your lifetime. And actually, I’m glad you just said that. You just sparked up a
thing in my brain as, everyone’s going on this 12-month programs or 12-week programs or get 21-day cleanse. Here is the problem with that. I don’t think there’s
anything wrong with doing a clean-out plan or anything like that. But is tricks our brain
into thinking, okay, if I can be good for these 12 weeks, at the end of that 12
weeks, I can then be bad, or I can then go, and
this is why we screw up. It’s that we’re teaching people that health has a finite
expiry date, or whatever. Like, if you know that
once we hit this date then it’s done. It’s like saying to a mother,
after nine months is done, you don’t have to suffer
anymore through pregnancy. It’s like, well, no, or enjoy it. It’s like that the moment that starts, just like then it really starts. As soon as that baby is out of you then the real work comes. It’s like your nine months is nothing. So, it’s like, it’s the
same with our house. It’s like if we go into
the New Year coming up thinking I’m gonna do this program, this brand new shiny program that’s gonna get me blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah months, you’re setting yourself up to stale. And I’m being really honest
here ’cause I’ve seen it and it doesn’t work when
we go into these programs. The thing I hate the
most is when people say, you can change a habit
in, now it’s 90 days. It used to be 21 days,
then it was 30 days. It’s like, no, habits continually recycle and we need to keep reassessing them. And it’s not something that
just changes in 90 days, right? ‘Cause you put somebody
into a stressful situation. And then 10 years later,
they go back to the habit that they had when they
were 18, as an example. And actually just as I was saying that the study I was thinking about earlier, it was with people that
were having gastric bypass. This is what happens in people
who have severe obesity, they have gastric bypass so that their stomachs are smaller and they don’t eat as much. Those people will lose weight,
but what they have found is that those people will also
end up becoming alcoholics, many of them six months down the road, or they’ll start smoking. That was the research I read. So they’re actually losing
weight and they’re eating less. But because that, that
those little feet of theirs, those duck feet, the nervous
system is so dysregulated, they’re still looking for
something to soothe themselves because they can’t soothe themselves with the food anymore, right? – [Shannon] Mm-hmm,
it’s really interesting. – [Irene] It is. And if I tie it back to the science, one of the reasons why a lot
of our soothing practices have to do with our mouths, right, we eat, we drink, we smoke, it’s because the process of
moving our mouth and swallowing, that actually directly
goes to the calming center of the nervous system. Right, that’s why babies
when they are hungry or when they’re not well, you put a soother into their mouth. – [Shannon] Mm-hmm, yeah, that’s true. – [Irene] And they start to suckle. And, or a boob or a bottle, or
you put your finger in there and they start to (suckles), right? – [Shannon] Yeah. – [Irene] That stimulates a part of the parasympathetic system that helps down regulate the heart rate. And so if we didn’t get that in a good way when we were little, we’re
gonna look for these things, of putting things into our mouths, I’m really simplifying here, but is true to help soothe the system. – [Shannon] Yeah, that’s getting, I mean– – [Irene] It’s deep (laughs). – [Shannon] Yeah, I know, it is that, like we said before, it’s stuff that rarely gets talked about. And I’m just so happy that
this message is getting out even just on this platform because the frustration that’s caused
by trying to make change, or trying to follow all of the
advice that you think works for so many other people,
that frustration is so real. And it’s to build– – [Irene] Oh, God. – [Shannon] Yeah.
– [Irene] Yeah. Be really messed up things. I mean, I am, believe
it or not, an optimist, but I’m also a realist. And it’s like we have done this experiment in our North American
culture with all this stuff and the experiment isn’t working. We need to shift gears and
literally turn the bus around and go different direction. And it’s coming out in, you now, I’m very much about global healing. It’s coming out in the
violence that we’re seeing especially in America. And it can be really traced back to how babies were cared for in young years, how the medical system doesn’t provide those things that needs, it can be traced back to the fact that moms aren’t given paid maternity leave. So, they’re stressed
out when they’re little, when the kids are little
because they have to work. And two parents have to work. And so there’s that kind of underlying unsafety that’s going on from a global level in many ways. And so when I teach people
about their nervous system, I like to bring it into a broader scope so that people don’t feel
there’s something wrong with me ’cause this is what comes out. Like, “Why can’t I figure this out? “What’s wrong with me?” And then there’s incredible
shame attached to it, and guilt. And all I can say is, this is not an individual piece. Like, this is a global issue
that we’re dealing with. And I do believe ’cause
I’ve seen it that we can really have this conversations and look at these deeper roots. It soothes in many ways a
person because they go, okay, I’m not insane, I’m not crazy. This is really a real thing, and I’ve just been given
the wrong information. – [Shannon] What a difference
it would be to feel that? You know, it’s not– – [Irene] Oh, yeah. – [Shannon] It’s not on
me to know the right way. It’s just about recognizing
that you’re different. You have been misinformed. – [Irene] Yeah, yeah, totally. And you know, I’m one of many. I’ve discovered this, I’ve gotta give credit to my teachers, the people that have studied this stuff. ‘Cause I’m not the one that
live in a research office studying connections. There’s amazing research being done and doctors that are
advocating for this finally. But they’re also getting
hit with a lot of, a lot of them are being
scapegoated and it looks like, oh, it’s just genetic
’cause people are lazy, ’cause we’ve gotta get people, it’s like, no, there’s a
much deeper piece here. And I think we’re gonna
be seeing a lot more of it as time goes on because this
is kind of the missing link I believe to get things back on track. It’s a deep link, it’s a deep link but it’s a missing link. – [Shannon] It’s deep, but it’s necessary. – [Irene] It’s very necessary. Yeah, I mean, one resource that’s great, he’s one of my heroes, he was actually Vancouver based physician. His name is Gabor Maté. And he has really looked at addiction and the body and healing
from a real deep, deep level. And he actually have said, like, our culture is toxic. Like, we’ve created a toxic
culture where not only our body is internally toxic because
of all the stress chemicals that we harbor, and all the
emotions that we harbor, but we, our culture doesn’t
know how to connect anymore. We don’t know how to empathize. Some of us do, like you and I. And I’m sure all the people listening here are deeply empathetic, and people that wanna
learn which is awesome. And yet, there’s a lot of
people that don’t want to learn and are interested in this. And so, it’s like, how can we
tip the scale a little bit? Right? – [Shannon] Yeah. Well, Irene, this is great and I wanted to thank you so much for your being here and just sharing your message
and all of your insights. And like you’ve said, for
the people on this summit who are listening, who
do wanna learn more, who do wanna take that next step, where can we find out more about you? – [Irene] Mm-hmm, definitely. So, my name is my website. It’s pretty simple, irenelyon, I-R-E-N-E, Lyon, L-Y-O-N .com. So, you can check me out there. I’ve got lots of free resources. I do teach people how to
regulate their nervous system either one-on-one, or I’ve finally got some
group programs going that are actually rocking people’s world, it’s really bringing them to
this deeper level of healing which is awesome. And then we also, we’ve
got a free gift, right? – [Shannon] Yes! – [Irene] So, if you do, if you go to, then number four, and then slim, S-L-I-M, and then connect to your summit. So, 4slim. You’ll come to a little popup
page that has a cheat sheet and an audio exercise, what it is, it’s called four
surprisingly simple steps to come overwhelm and
out of control emotions. Now, yeah, I gotta title things ’cause you’ve gotta put a title. If you’re not someone that has overwhelm or out of control emotions,
this will still be good because there’s an audio exercise. It’s about 20-minutes long. It is a beginning into learning
how to be in your biology, promote very kind of body-based
sensorial point of view. So kind of like a meditation,
but it’s not meditation. It’s really getting into your
body, learning how to steal it from a very different perspective. So far people have
really, really loved it, so if you go to that link,
you’ll get to stop cheat sheet and then the audio that goes with it. – [Shannon] Awesome. Well, that sounds like, I mean, that just sounds
like a life changing gift in a way to introduce
yourself into Irene’s work and follow up with her. We do have that free gift link that was in the email you all received. It was right next to the
link for this interview. So, again, Irene, thank you. Thank you, thank you. We’re so happy. I know that this is one of
the most powerful interviews that’s on this summit for sure. – [Irene] Awesome. You are so welcome, Shannon. I’m glad our paths crossed, however, they were across
the lecture, but (laughs), I am happy, happy, happy, happy this time in my time talking with you
and your folks on this topic ’cause it’s so dear to my heart. And I do know that if
we can get under this, into this level of healing,
that it’s gonna change things. It’s deep stuff too, you know. It’s like it’s pieces that
we really ignore and avoid because it’s not always fun, and you’re gonna put that in there. It’s not to scare people away, but it’s like, this is feeling things that we’ve maybe been
putting away for a while. But all I can say is trust
me when it’s done safely, and in a way that’s guided well, which is what I’m all about. It can happen. And when it happens, the amount of energy that gets freed up in
your body is incredible, so I just wanna put that out
there for everyone listening. – [Shannon] Yeah. Well, everyone, stay tuned tomorrow. Same place you’ll get the
email delivered directly to your inbox with all the information and links to tomorrow’s speaker. So, thanks for joining us,
and we’ll see you then. – [Irene] Okay, so, how was that to hear all that information
and sort of see this idea of weight loss and fat loss for a very, probably different perspective? Many people don’t see that connection between traumatic experience
and being overweight, obesity, trouble losing
weight, low metabolism. It’s becoming more known,
not more well-known, but more known. I think we’re gonna
hear about this way more as time goes on. If you are listening to this and you’re not on my email
list, if you’re not at my site, if you’re listening to this somewhere else ’cause someone sent this to you, definitely head over to
my site and check out my shop page if
this isn’t how you found this and check out some of my freebies, I’ve got some guides there on de-stressing on the nervous system,
on trauma, on resistance, on how to break out of stuckness. And I’ve also got some
paid programs there, self-study programs that
can get you started on your journey of nervous
system healing and health. So again, if you go to, and then when you get there, it’s /shop. You can go directly to that link and it’ll get you to all my information, so you can really start
to understand and learn and cultivate a body and
nervous system and brain that works for you
rather than against you. Take very good care. And thank you again for being here today and learning with me. (lively music)

4 thoughts on “The missing step in weight loss || Education EPISODE || with Irene Lyon”

  1. that was just wonderful and so complete. "craving soothing" was a huge penny-dropping clanger! thank you!

  2. Irene, love love love your web videos and this talk in particular rocks! I am a new SEP in Durham who works with eating disorders. I have posted this on my FB page for my followers as you lay things out so articulately and it is wonderful! My training program is designed to support eating disorder providers in opening up to the ANS as a component of treatment and moving beyond "talk therapy". I am working with researchers at Duke to study the use of SE with the eating disorder population, so I appreciate hearing how this approach is working and is possibly the "missing link". Check it out my website for the training (www. or my website Hoping we may cross paths in person one day !

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