Seattle City Council: Select Budget Committee 10/2/19 Session II


>>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AGAIN AT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. THIS IS OCTOBER 2nd, 2019. THE AFTERNOON SESSION. I AM SALLY BAGSHAW. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBERS FOR BEING WITH ME AND COLLEAGUES THAT MAY BE RUNNING DOWN THE HALL. PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN STARTED AT 2:02 P.M. WE HEARD FROM A VERY LARGE GROUP THIS MORNING THAT FOCUSED ON THE HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE FROM OUR CITY THROUGH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS ON AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE WHO WERE HERE THIS MORNING. WE DID A DEEP DIVE AND I FELT IT WAS A VERY EFFECTIVE TIME TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT COMMITTEES ARE DOING AND WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING TOGETHER. THIS AFTERNOON, AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA AND WE WILL FORCED HEAR ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT. I ASKED THE KING COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY AND MY GOOD FRIEND DAN SATTERBERG TO BE HERE AS WELL AS THE MOST RECENT RECIPIENT OF THE GENUS AWARDS. CONGRATULATIONS, LISA. WHY DON’T THE TWO OF YOU COME UP SO WE DON’T SPEND ANY MORE TIME AND TRANSITION. AND AFTER THE LONG DIVE, WE WILL HAVE A HALF-HOUR FOR DAN SATTERBERG AND LISA DAUGAARD AND THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALSO WORKING ON LEAD. I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS ON TRACK BECAUSE WE ALSO, AFTER THE SECOND PANEL FOCUSED ON LEAD, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE MAYOR’S RECOMMENDATION WITH OUR TMZ WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE “FARE SHARE” PLAN. AND THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENT, WE HAVE EXCUSED THEM THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WILL GET INTO A LENGTHY SESSION. COLLEAGUES, IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO HEAR FROM OSC, YOU HAVE BEEN INVITED TO TALK WITH THEM SEPARATELY. >> CHAIR “FARE SHARE”, I KNOW MANY UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS HERE. I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT TOWARD THE END. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY WANT TO. >> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT. THANK YOU. AT THE TABLE, I WILL START WITH ALLISON AGAIN. IF YOU WILL START INTRODUCTIONS AND WE WILL JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE. >> LISA K, CENTRAL STAFF. >> GREG DOS, COUNSEL CENTRAL STAFF. >> PUBLIC DEFENDER ASSOCIATION. >> DAN SATTERBERG, KING COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY. >> LISA DAUGAARD, DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER ASSOCIATION. >> THE LEAD PROGRAM MOMENT MANAGER FOR REACH.>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. LISA OR GREG, ARE YOU KICKING THIS OFF? >> I WILL PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT. WE WILL HEAR ABOUT LEAD. I WON’T BE GOING INTO IT TOO MUCH. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE PROGRAM IS FUNDED IN 2018 AT 1.7 MILLION. THE COUNCIL ADDED LAST YEAR, 462,000. THE HOPE THERE WAS THAT THE LEAD PROGRAM THAT WAS NOT CITYWIDE COULD BE SPREAD CITYWIDE. YOU WILL HEAR IN A MINUTE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED WITH A LOT OF NEW REFERRALS. THERE WILL BE NO INFORMATION ON THAT. THE 462 CARRIED OVER INTO THE 2020 BUDGET. THERE WAS A LITTLE ADDED TO IT. ABOUT 288,000. NOW THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IN THE 2020 PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD BE FUNDED AT ABOUT $2.5 MILLION. >> MAY BE THE TEAM WILL TALK TO US ABOUT THIS BUT I THOUGHT LAST YEAR WE WERE EXPANDING THE PROGRAM TO OTHER PRECINCTS. >> THAT WAS THE HOPE. THAT IN 2019, THE 462,000 ADDED WOULD BE ENOUGH TO EXPAND INTO THE SOUTH PRECINCT ON THE SOUTHWEST PRECINCTS. SOME OF THAT HAS HAPPENED AND THE PROGRAM WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. THEY ALSO ENCOUNTERED QUITE A FEW MORE REFERRALS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE EXPANSION HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. >> VERY GOOD. NEXT. >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> TO THE KING COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, DAN SATTERBERG. YOU ARE UP. >> IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I ANNOUNCED THAT STANDARDS IN MY OFFICE HAD CHANGED AND WE WOULD NO LONGER ROUTINELY FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE FOUND WITH TINY AMOUNTS OF DRUGS. WE SET THE LIMIT AT 1 GRAM. ALTHOUGH MOST CASES INVOLVE MUCH LESS THAN A SINGLE GRAM. THE REASON I MADE THAT DECISION IS FOR A COUPLE REASONS. ONE, THE COURTS ARE NOT SET UP TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM LIKE THAT. ABOUT 800-000 PEOPLE A YEAR WOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR TINY AMOUNTS OF DRUGS. EVEN THOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY A FELONY FOR WHICH THEY COULD GO TO PRISON, WE PUT THOSE CASES INTO THE DISTRICT COURT AND ALLOWED A MISDEMEANOR PLEA TO HAPPEN. BUT THE COURT WAS NOT SET UP TO HELP PEOPLE AND STILL ISN’T. AND FOR THE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THAT SYSTEM, ON AVERAGE, IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR BETWEEN THE TIME THEY ARE ARRESTED AND THE TIME THE CASE RESOLVES. ON AVERAGE, THEY WOULD GET ONE AND HALF WARRANTS PER CASE BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT SHOW UP TO COURT BECAUSE THE SUMMONS WAS SENT TO AN ADDRESS WHERE THEY NO LONGER LIVED. AVERAGE OF 15 DAYS OF JAIL FOR EACH PERSON. JUST LONG ENOUGH TO LOSE ANY STABILITY THEY MAY HAVE HAD IN THEIR LIFE. FOR ME, I LOOK AT SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL START WITH THE PREMISES THAT THIS IS A DISEASE AND PEOPLE CAN GET BETTER. THEY CAN GET HELP. CRIMINALIZING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER IS A HARMFUL PRACTICE. I WANT TO STOP THE HARM. THE OTHER REASON IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FOUND WITHOUT SMALL AMOUNT OF DRUGS WERE GETTING HELP IN THE LEAD PROGRAM BUT IT DEPENDED ON WHAT PART OF TOWN THEY WERE BEING ARRESTED AND I’M A LOOK PART OF THE COUNTY. I STOPPED DOING THAT IN HOPES THAT WE COULD USE THAT MOMENTUM TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THE OTHER THING. IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME JUST TO WALK AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT RESPONSE. AND BUILDING AN ALTERNATIVE IS THE ESSENCE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. THE CASES COME TO THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL, NOT BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST OPTION BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT. WE HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE IF WE EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN AUGUST, THERE WAS A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE BY NICHOLAS KRISTOF THAT DREW ATTENTION TO THAT. AND PREMATURELY SAID THAT SEATTLE HAD FIGURED THIS OUT. WE HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT. BUT WE DO HAVE A BLUEPRINT. WE KNOW WHAT WORKS AND TODAY WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TO FUND MORE OF WHAT WORKS. WHAT NICHOLAS KRISTOF SAID WAS, AS I SEE IT, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHILE SEATTLE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB HALTING THE WAR ON DRUGS, IT HAS NOT DONE WELL ON FINANCING THE WAR ON ADDICTION. CLOSE TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOLBOX WITHOUT FULLY OPENING THE PUBLIC HEALTH TOOL TOOLBOX. HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE NEED A GREATER FOCUS ON SERVICE, MENTAL HEALTH, AND MORE. IT SHOULD BE A SCANDAL HE SAYS THAT LESS THAN 20% OF AMERICANS WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER GET TREATMENT. SOME COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THIS EFFORT BUT I WANT YOUR HELP. I NEED YOUR HELP IF WE ARE GOING TO STOP CRIMINALIZING DRUG ADDICTION AND STOP THE WAR ON DRUG USERS. THAT IS WHAT THE WAR ON DRUGS HAS ALWAYS BEEN. ON THE PEOPLE MOST VISIBLE, MOST MARGINALIZED, DISPROPORTIONATELY AND POVERTY. PEOPLE OF COLOR. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GET PUT THROUGH THE RINGER OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THEY ARE ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT RESPOND THE BEST TO THE KIND OF COMMUNITY-BASED HEALTH RESPONSE THAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE LEAD PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST THOUGHT OF. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR EIGHT, NINE YEARS. WE KNOW WHAT WORKS. I’M WILLING TO DO MY PART TO END THE WAR ON DRUG USERS BUT I NEED YOUR HELP. I’M JUST THE PROSECUTOR. LISA IS JUST THE GENIUS. WE DON’T HAVE THE BUDGET AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE PROGRAMS ARE REAL AND THEM WORK. TOGETHER, WE CAN DO IT. I THINK TOGETHER, WE CAN SHOW THE NATION AND THE NATION IS WATCHING. THAT WE CAN, AS A COMMUNITY, SHIFT THE PARADIGM AWAY FROM THE CRIMINALIZATION OF ADDICTION TO A HARM REDUCTION SERVICE ORIENTED COMMUNITY- BASED HEALTH RESPONSE. THE LEAD PROGRAM IS A NATIONAL MODEL THAT WAS BORN HERE. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO UNDERSTAND TODAY THAT IT IS UNDER TREMENDOUS PRESSURE. MY FEAR IS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN THE MODEL. WE HAVE OVERLOADED IT. AND THE BOAT IS STARTING TO TAKE ON WATER AND IT IS GOING TO SINK IF WE DON’T HELP IT. AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT SAY, THE LEAD DID NOT WORK IN SEATTLE. IT SANK. W KNOW THE PROGRAM WORKS. WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND DO SO WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY. I APPRECIATE YOU INVITING ME OVER. I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LATER. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ONE THING YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT SOME TIME AGO IS AT THE THINGS WE KNOW THAT WORKS ARE FULL. PART OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS INCREASING THE CAPACITY. >> EXACTLY.>> GREAT. THINK YOU. >> THAT IS ALMOST EVERYTHING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU. I WANT TO FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GENIUSES AT THIS TABLE AND EVEN MORE IN THE ROOM. AND THIS IS AN APPROACH THAT WAS REALLY BORN OF THE COMMENDABLE OPENNESS AND RESOLVE OF EVERYONE. ALL THE SECTORS IN SEATTLE FROM BUSINESS, TO NEIGHBORHOODS, TO CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS, FROM PROSECUTORS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO FIND A BETTER WAY. PEOPLE’S MEMORIES ARE SHORT. BUT WE WERE HEAVY UTILIZERS OF THE COURT BASED, JILL-BASED INTERVENTION STRATEGY FOR FOR PROLIFIC OFFENDERS AND PEOPLE STRUGGLING. WHEN I WAS A HEALTH DEFENDER IN THE MID-90S ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE MID- TWO THOUSANDS, THE VERDICT ON THE STREET WAS THAT IT WAS A TERRIBLE FAILURE AND WE NEEDED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY. SO WE START ALWAYS WITH ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THERE ARE MANY AUTHORS OF THIS APPROACH AND MANY WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO AFFILIATE WITH THE UNLIMITED SUPPORT AND WE WOULD NOT BE HERE OTHERWISE. I WANT TO STEER US THROUGH THE QUICK POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. LET ME JUST SAY FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT LEAD IS, IN THE SIMPLEST POPULACE TERMS, LEAD IS AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMIT LAW VIOLATIONS, COMMIT CRIMES, BECAUSE OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONDITIONS, SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER OR OTHER MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR EXTREME POVERTY AND POLICE KNOW THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE AND THEY HAVE MADE AN ARREST AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN CUSTODY RIGHT NOW AND DUE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE, THEY ARE AWARE THAT A PERSON DOES CHRONICALLY COMMIT LOW-LEVEL CRIMES AS A RESULT OF THESE CONDITIONS. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A WIDE A RANGE OF STRATEGIES AND RESPONSES THAN WHAT WAS TRADITIONALLY THE CASE. IN PARTICULAR, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO AND MAKE A WARM HANDOFF TO WHAT WE CALL GORILLA SOCIAL WORKERS. PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO FORM A CONNECTION WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS OFTEN HIGHLY MARGINALIZED AND DIFFICULT TO ENGAGE AND SUSTAIN THE CONNECTION AND USE KNOWN EVIDENCE-BASED RESEARCH-BASED TECHNIQUES TO GROW THAT RELATIONSHIP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STRENGTHEN AND STABILIZE OVER TIME. THE GOAL OF LEAD IS TO REDUCE CRIME. THAT IS THE SINGLE GOAL. WE USE STRATEGIES OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND SOCIAL SERVICES TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. >> CAN I STOP YOU THERE. >> YES.>> I WANT YOU TO SAY THAT AGAIN. I THINK LEAD GETS CONFUSED WITH HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE. AND WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING I THINK IS THE KEY TO THIS. CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN. >> IT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SENTENCES. THE SINGLE GOAL OF LEAD IS TO REDUCE CRIME. THAT IS A REASONABLE PUBLIC EXPECTATION. THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO DO THAT. AND THAT IS LEGITIMATE. BUT WHEN WE ATTEMPT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL, WE SHOULD USE STRATEGIES KNOWN TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE OVER INCARCERATION THAT DOMINATED MY EARLY ADULTHOOD AND CAREER AS A PUBLIC DEFENDER. LET ME RUN THROUGH THOSE. THESE ARE LEAD CLIENT OUTCOMES FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. ACCOMPLISHED WITH A GROUP THAT IS AGAIN HIGHLY MARGINALIZED AND RARELY SUCCESSFULLY ENGAGED AND HAS ENORMOUS TRUST ISSUES. THESE ARE TRULY REMARKABLE LEAD ENGAGEMENTS WITHIN A HARM REDUCTION BASED CONTEXT WHICH MEANS CASE MANAGERS MEET FOLKS WHERE THEY ARE AND THEY DO NOT MANDATE OR REQUIRE ANY PARTICULAR STEPS TO REMAIN IN THE SERVICE ARRAY. WITH THAT SAID, ALTHOUGH PEOPLE ARE NOT MADE TO DO SO, THEY DO PARTICIPATE IN SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER TREATMENT TO A REMARKABLE DEGREE AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE UP HERE. FOLKS ARE GETTING PERMANENT HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE SKILL OF THE CASE MANAGERS WHOSE LEADERSHIP IS TO MY LEFT. THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE POPULATION IS NOT PRIORITIZED WITHIN THE HOMELESS HOUSING SYSTEM TO ANY DEGREE AND FACES ENORMOUS CHALLENGES GETTING QUALIFIED FOR HOUSING. UBSTANTIAL REFERRALS THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AS WELL. I’M GOING TO SKIP THAT SLIDE. THIS IS THE RECENT FUNDING HISTORY. YOU WILL NOTICE I THINK THAT THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE SLIDE FROM THE EXECUTIVE. THAT IS JUST BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVE SLIDE INCLUDES FUNDING THAT KING COUNTY HAS ALLOCATED FOR LEAD EXPANSION OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE. THESE ARE DOLLARS SOLELY DIRECTED TO SEATTLE AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR SEATTLE- BASED REFERRALS. >> KING COUNTY DOLLARS YOU DON’T USE FOR SEATTLE? >> THE KING COUNTY MID- FUNDING IS DIVIDED INTO TWO STREAMS. ONE FOR SEATTLE AND ONE FOR OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE. WE ARE LIMITED TO THE FUNDS SHOWN IN ORANGE FOR USE FOR SEATTLE-BASED. THERE ARE THREE RESOURCES. THE BLUE IS CITY OF SEATTLE FUNDING. THE ORANGE IS MID-FUNDING THAT COMES TO KING COUNTY AND THE GRAY IS A GRANT FROM THE TRUE BLOOD GRANT PROGRAM ADMINISTERED UNDER THAT CASE. HERE IS THE PROBLEM. WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT LEAD WORKS WELL. IT IS AN EVIDENCE-BASED INTERVENTION ACCORDING TO THE STATE HEALTH AUTHORITY. THE OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAM DEFINITION. IT BECAME THAT AND SHOWN TO BE RELATED TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM AND IMPROVED OTHER OUTCOMES WERE CASE MANAGERS CARRY THE CASELOAD OF 25 CLIENTS. IT IS NOT AN EVIDENCE-BASED INTERVENTION WHEN THEY CARRY ROUGHLY TWICE THAT. WE ARE NEAR THAT POINT. IN 2018, AT 25 CLIENTS PER CASE MANAGER, THERE WERE 17 CASE MANAGERS AND 17 CASELOADS. THIS IS THE HEALTHIEST STATE PROGRAM IN 2018. AND 2019, WE PROPOSED GREATER BUDGET INCREASE PROJECTING A REFERRAL INCREASE WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY FUNDED AND REFERRALS EXCEEDED PROJECTIONS BEYOND WHAT WE PREDICTED. >> THESE WERE REFERRALS BY POLICE AND SOCIAL WORKERS? >> PRIMARILY BY POLICE. BECAUSE OF THE CASELOAD PRESSURES, WE HAVE VIRTUALLY ELIMINATED ALL REFERRALS FROM NONPOLICE SOURCES BECAUSE WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY THERE TO TAKE THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE ATTENTION OF POLICE AND PROVIDE AN ULTIMATE DESTINATION RATHER THAN JAIL AND COURT. IT IS GREAT. IT IS HEALTHY TO PROVIDE OTHER REFERRALS AS WELL OR PEOPLE CALL 911 AND THOSE REFERRALS GO TO THE POLICE. WE DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO STAFF THOSE. WE PRESENTLY TAKE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY REFERRALS FROM THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE PRESENTLY HAVE 19 CASE MANAGERS FUNDED AT REACH. WE HAVE CASELOADS FOR 33 PIXLEY HAVE 19 PEOPLE DOING THE WORK OF 33. WITH ESSENTIALLY FLAT FUNDING GOING INTO 2020, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE WILL HAVE 19 CASE MANAGERS FUNDED AT REACH. AND IT PROJECTED REFERRAL RATES. AND THIS IS BEING CALCULATED AS CONSERVATIVELY AS POSSIBLE CONSERVING TO A SPEEDY THAT WE CAN ONLY TAKE HIGH PRIORITY REFERRALS. THOSE CASE MANAGERS WILL BE DOING THE WORK OF 58 PEOPLE.>> THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE LEAD BUDGET GETS SPENT. AND THE BULK OF THE EXPENDITURE IS FOR DIRECT SERVICES. THERE IS A CITY ATTORNEY LIAISON POSITION. SOME COST FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND THAT IS ENTIRELY PAID BY THE KING COUNTY FUNDING SOURCE. THIS IS HOW THE GROWTH FROM 2018-2019 WAS ALLOCATED. SO THE 462,000 — I KNOW FOLKS WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA AND I’M LOOKING AT COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD. WE DID OPEN SOME OPERATIONS IN THE SOUTH PRECINCT. WE STARTED AND ENDED IN SODO WHICH WAS THE LOCUS OF A CRIME SPIKE. AND THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE TO CONSUME ALL THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE HAD. WE ARE TRYING HARD TO DELIVER A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN THE DYNAMICS IN SODO SO WE CONCENTRATED THERE. WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A FEW REFERRALS FROM THE SOUTHWEST PRECINCT AND COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD’S DISTRICT BY THE END OF THE YEAR. WE ARE WAITING UNTIL THE BURIEN LEAD OFFICE IS OPEN SO THE REACH CASE MANAGERS HAVE A FAIRLY NEARBY BASE OF OPERATIONS FOR WHICH TO REACH THOSE REFERRALS. YOU CAN SEE THREE QUARTERS OF THAT GROWTH WAS ALLOCATED DIRECTLY TO REACH STAFFING, OUTREACH AND SCREENING COORDINATORS, SUPERVISORS AND CASE MANAGERS. AND SOME FOR SALARY INCREASES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN STAFF TO DO THIS VERY DIFFICULT WORK. THIS IS THE PROJECTED INCREASE IN REFERRAL. THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT EXPERIENCE WITH US REALLY DISCOURAGING ANY NONPRIORITY REFERRALS. THE ORANGE LINE, THE BLUE LINE IS THE ACTUAL CURRENT REFERRAL RATE. THE ORANGE LINE REFLECTS THE 300 PRIORITY REFERRALS WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED AND APPROVED. SPD HAS APPROVED THESE AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ASSIGNED TO CASE MANAGERS BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME WORKLOAD CRUNCH. >> SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PEOPLE? >> THEY ARE JUST WAITING. THEY HAVE NOT YET BEEN ASSIGNED. IT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF CONSIDERABLE FRUSTRATION TO THE úLIEUTENANTS AND OFFICERS WE WORK WITH PARTICULARLY IN THE NORTH PRECINCT. >> THEY ARE OUT. NOT IN JAIL. ON THE STREET. >> THEY ARE KNOWN TO BE COMMITTING CRIMES RELATED TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONDITIONS AND NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN PASSIVELY WAITING FOR THEM, FOR AN OFFICER TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE AND MAKE AN ARREST. IF WE HAD CAPACITY, WE WOULD BE PROACTIVELY REDUCING AND PREVENTING CRIME WITH ENGAGEMENT ON REACH CASE MANAGERS. THAT IS WHY THE POLICE PERSONNEL THAT MADE THESE REFERRALS ARE FRUSTRATED THAT WE CANNOT GET TO THEM. >> DO YOU HAVE A COUNSEL QUESTION? >> I WILL WAIT FOR TWO MORE SLIDES. >> I’M A LITTLE CONFUSED BOTH BY WHAT THE CASELOAD AND STAFFING SLIDESHOWS AND WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER ABOUT FLAT FUNDING GOING INTO 2020. MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED IN LAST YEAR’S BUDGET CYCLE IS, COUNSEL ADDED 462,000 , FOR 2019 AND THEN 750,000, FOR 2020. SO THAT WOULD BE A 300,000- DOLLAR INCREASE FOR 2020. >> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE WERE 462,000 ADDED IN 19. AND THAT 462,000 CARRIES OVER INTO 2020. AND THERE IS 288,000 MORE ADDED IN 2020. >> SO NOT FLAT MOVING INTO 2020. I GET THE POINT THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE NEED. >> IT IS EFFECTIVELY FLAT BECAUSE OF THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WILL NEED TO MAKE. WE ARE LOSING THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE PHENOMENAL WORK THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE OUTCOMES WE HAVE SEEN IN LEAD AND CANNOT RECRUIT AND RETAIN THE FOLKS TO DO THE WORK AT THE CURRENT SALARY. SO THERE IS A PROJECTED SCALE INCREASE AND THEN WE ARE LEASING NEIGHBORHOOD BASED OFFICES IN THE NORTH PRECINCT AT 105TH AND AURORA, ON CAPITOL HILL AND IN SODO SO THAT COMPLETELY ABSORBS THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN AND COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE PARALLEL LINES? LISA’S COMMENT IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE ARE RETRAINING OFFICERS TO MAKE THESE REFERRALS INSTEAD OF MAKE ARRESTS. AND THE REFERRALS THEY ARE MAKING GO TO PHYSICIANS THAT ARE NOT FILLED BECAUSE OF VACANCIES OR INADEQUATE FUNDING WHERE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SCALE UP THE NUMBER OF CASE MANAGERS THAT WE NEED OR PEOPLE ARE CYCLING OUT BECAUSE OF TURNOVER BECAUSE OF HIGH CASELOADS AND A DESIRE TO HAVE MORE STABILITY IN THE LEAD PROGRAM. I THINK WE WILL LOSE TRUST WITH THE PUBLIC AND OFFICERS AS WELL. THIS IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PROGRAM. IN TERMS OF PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS AND THIS IS THE MODEL. I DON’T WANT THE POINT THAT YOU MADE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS. IF I’M READING THIS CORRECT, YOU SHOULD REMIND US THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WAITING FOR ASSISTANCE THAT ARE NOT GETTING ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SCALE THE LEAD ADEQUATELY. THAT IS GOING TO CREATE A HUGE TRUST PROBLEM WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEGUN TO REFER MORE AND MORE BUT NOT ABLE TO REFER TO SOME DO WITHOUT US FILLING THOSE POSITIONS. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND CAN YOU REMIND US OF THE GAP YOU CURRENTLY SEE. >> THIS GAP IS PEOPLE WHO WERE PRIORITIZED AND CLEARED THROUGH AND WE HAVE REALIZED THERE IS NOWHERE TO PUT THEM. SO NOW AS YOU READ IN THE PIECE THIS MORNING, WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THE REFERRALS ARE NOT BEING MADE BECAUSE IT IS POINTLESS TO MAKE A REFERRAL TO NOWHERE. THEY ARE ON A WEIGHT LIST FOR CASE MANAGEMENT. AND WE DON’T EXPECT OFFICERS TO CONTINUE ON FETAL BEHAVIOR AND THAT WILL BE UNTIL WE CAN OFFER A GENUINE RESPONSE. THEY WILL DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE FOLKS WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER THEM. >> I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID TWICE ALREADY. THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO REDUCE CRIME. AND IT IS A PROBLEM WE CAN SOLVE. >> THE LAST SLIDE IS SOME OBSERVATIONS THAT I’M NOT SURE ARE UNIVERSALLY KNOWN ABOUT THE ASSETS THAT LEAD HAS AND CAN OFFER THE CITY. EVERYONE IS FOND OF THE CONCEPT OF SOCIAL WORKERS SHARING INFORMATION WITH POLICE AND PROSECUTORS AND IT EXISTS UNIQUELY IN LEAD AND THIS SISTER PROGRAM. THIS IS BECAUSE OF A RELEASE OF INFORMATION ARRANGEMENT WITH CLIENT SEND INFORMATION AND SHARING INFORMATION AS NEEDED TO STRATEGIZE WHAT HAPPEN. THE CASE MANAGERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SHARE THE INFORMATION. SO TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION GOING AN ACCURATE, REALTIME INFORMATION ABOUT THE STRUGGLES PEOPLE ARE HAVING, THERE ARE RELAPSES. EVERYONE INVOLVED HAS TO OPERATE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THAT WILL NOT BLOWBACK ON SOMEBODY IN THE PROSECUTORS, THE POLICE AND THE CASE MANAGERS IN LEAD HAVE EVOLVED REALLY REMARKABLY WITHHOLDING THE TRUST SO PROSECUTORS HAVE GOOD INFORMATION AND POLICE HAVE GOOD INFORMATION. AND CLIENTS DON’T FEEL LIKE THEY GOT BURNED BY SHARING THAT. IT IS USED TO PLAN, COORDINATE AND STRATEGIZE BASED ON ACCURATE INFORMATION. THIS IS UNIQUE SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, IT IS NOT A MODEL THAT OCCURS NATURALLY AND OUTSIDE OF THE FRAMEWORK. THE LEAD DATABASE, THIS IS AN ALMOST REAL CREATURE. MICROSOFT, WITH MANY OF YOU MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO FUND THIS. THIS WILL ALLOW EVERY OFFICER IN SPD, WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER SOMEBODY IN THE FIELD TO KNOW IF THEY ARE IN LEAD AND IF THEY ARE, HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ACTION PLAN THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO ARREST AND BOOKING AND IS A WARM HANDOFF TYPE OF RESPONSE. AND CAN ALLOW THIS THROUGH THE RECORD SYSTEM IF THAT FUNCTIONALITY GETS TURNED ON. IT IS SUPER EXCITING AND WILL ALLOW US TO PRODUCE DATA REPORTS AT THE PUSH OF A BUTTON AND ALL THE GOVERNING PARTNERS INCLUDING YOURSELVES WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE THESE LEASED FIELD OFFICES IN THREE NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO CASE MANAGERS BUT ALSO TO OFFICERS THAT WANT A PLACE TO IMMEDIATELY BRING PEOPLE, OR REFER PEOPLE. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT JUST WON’T GO TO THE REACH OFFICE WHICH IS ALSO BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. WE HAVE A STRUCTURED AND A GREAT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT DON’T OTHERWISE WORK TOGETHER THAT WORKS EXCEEDINGLY WELL AND WHERE TRUST AND COMMUNICATION HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. LEAD IS A KNOWN QUANTITY THAT HAS IDENTIFIED FUNDING STREAMS THAT POTENTIALLY SEATTLE COULD ADD ON TO THE LOCAL INVESTMENT, NOT TO FULLY SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS AND AUGMENT WHAT THE CITY COMMITS. AND FINALLY, IT IS AN EVIDENCE- BASED INTERVENTION AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT RAPIDLY CAN BE ACHIEVED. THAT IS TO THE TUNE OF A HALF- MILLION DOLLARS. WE ARE COMMITTED TO ONGOING EVALUATION AND THERE IS A PLAN TO CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE OUR RECIDIVISM EVALUATION TO MAKE SURE THE CRIME REDUCTION CONTINUES TO BE ACHIEVED. >> IN ORDER FOR HIM IS TO REDUCE AS YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND WE SEE YOUR NUMBERS AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES ARE THAT YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL TO RESPOND TO THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY ACROSS THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, WHAT WOULD YOU SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE? >> OVERWHELMINGLY, WHAT IS NEEDED NOW IS ADDITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT UNITS SO FOR EVERY 25 ACTIVE CLIENTS AND POTENTIALLY EVERY 50 REFERRALS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW CASE MANAGER. AT SOME POINT, THE VOLUME, I SHOULD LET CHLOE AND RANDY ADDRESSES, NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED BY A TRAINING COORDINATOR AND SOME ADDITIONAL SUPERVISORY STAFF. >> AND AS YOU DIVE INTO THIS, IS THERE A NEED FOR MORE PLACES FOR YOU TO DIVERT? SO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS BEING REFERRED BY A POLICE OFFICER AND THEY GET THE CASE MANAGEMENT THAT THEY NEED BUT THEN WHAT? IF YOU DON’T MIND RESPONDING TO ALL OF THAT SYSTEM APPROACH. >> I WILL. AND BRANDY WILL SPEAK ABOUT INTERNAL NEEDS. I WOULD SAY FOR IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY IMPACT, WE ARE INCREDIBLY RESOURCEFUL IN TERMS OF ACCESSING THE HOMELESS SERVICE SYSTEMS SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO APPROPRIATE REFERRALS TO ALL OF THE IMMEDIATE SHELTERS AND THE TINY HOME VILLAGES. AND ACTUALLY AS POINTED OUT, WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT ACQUIRING HOUSING EVEN THROUGH COORDINATED ENTRY AND UP TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. AS WE KNOW, ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE STILL NOT TO SCALE AND NOT ADEQUATE TO SERVE OUR FOLKS BUT WE ARE RESOURCEFUL IN THEM. THE PIECE THAT WE WILL ADD AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITIES IS OPENING THESE THREE OFFICES WHICH I SEE IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SERVICED AS HER. ONE IS NORTH AT AURORA AND ONE IS IN SODO WHICH HAS NO PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL CREATE SPACES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE AND BRING PEOPLE INSIDE AND ALLOW THEM TO ENGAGE. WE KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE AND DISTRACTED BY THEIR CHAOTIC LIVES, IT IS A VERY CHALLENGING PLACE TO MAKE A REALISTIC DECISION AND CHOICE. SO EVEN JUST HAVING SPACES INSIDE, THOSE SPACES WILL REQUIRE STAFFING AND RESOURCES. A WARM CUP OF COFFEE AND A HUMAN BEING THAT ANSWERS THE DOOR AND HELPS TO REFERRALS EVERY DAY. SO THAT JUST REQUIRES SOME RESOURCES. >> IS THIS AN 8:00 UNTIL 5:00 DEAL OR WILL YOU TRY TO EXPAND TO THE HOURS? >> WE DON’T KNOW YET. IT DEPENDS ON THE FUNDS. RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE SKELETAL. THE OFFICES WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE STAFFED 24/7. BUT LEAD IS A 24/7 RESPONSE AT THIS POINT. >> IDEALLY, THE CURRENT BELLTOWN OFFICE WHICH IS OVERWHELMED IS 8:30 UNTIL 4:30 ON MOST DAYS. I WELCOME ANYBODY TO COME AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. ALL TRYING TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE SPACE AND ACCESS TO GROUPS AND THERAPY AND MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS. WE HAVE REAL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE HEALTH SPACES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVELY USING AND HAVE MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS WHERE THEY ACCESS HEALTH SERVICES. >> BRANDY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? >> OUR CASE MANAGERS ARE WORKING WITH SOME OF THE MOST WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN THE CITY. ALL CLIENTS ARE NOT HOMELESS. THE MAJORITY OF CLIENTS HAVE BEEN ON HOUSE FOR MORE THAN TWO EPISODES IN THEIR LIFE. CHRONIC SUBSTANCE USE AND A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH AND MEDICAL ISSUES AND THEY COME FROM PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE GENERATIONAL POVERTY AND SUBSTANCE USE. AND THEN THE LEAD PARTICIPANTS OF COLOR HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS AND HAVE BEEN DEHUMANIZING. SO BY THE TIME THEY REACH CASE MANAGERS, THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED MANDATORY SENTENCING, RACIAL BIAS AND HOUSING AND UNDERINSURED MENTAL HEALTH, AND HEALTH SERVICES. FOR THOSE PARTICIPANTS AND ALL THE PARTICIPANTS, MOVING AT THE SPEED OF TRUST IS PIVOTAL TO THE WORK AND BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO EVEN MAKE INCREMENTAL CHANGE TO GET TO THEIR GOALS. YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CASELOAD AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE FOLKS THAT DON’T GET CONNECTED TO SERVICES. WE TALK ABOUT THE CASELOADS, WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOME STRATEGIES TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS. AND SO SOME OF OUR CASE MANAGERS UNFORTUNATELY ARE ACROSS PRECINCTS AND WORKING 2- 3 PRECINCTS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE ARE LEVERAGING ALL OF THE RECENTLY SOURCES CHLOE JUST TALKED ABOUT. WE ARE UTILIZING THE OUTREACH COORDINATOR IS TO DO SOME LIGHT CASE MANAGEMENT UNTIL WE CAN GET THEM TO A CASE MANAGER. IT REALLY IMPACTS THE CARE COORDINATION. WE MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. WE ARE UNDER BRIDGES AND STOREFRONT, DOORWAYS, ENCAMPMENTS. PEOPLE WELCOME US INTO THEIR ENVIRONMENT SO WE CAN GET TO KNOW THEM AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WILL MOTIVATE THEM TO MOVE TOWARD THE GOALS THEY WANT TO REACH. SO HAVING AN ADEQUATE ENOUGH TIME TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND REALLY DO THAT CARE COORDINATION IS PIVOTAL. YOU CAN’T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CASELOAD OF OVER 40 PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM SEVERE AND PERSISTENT MENTAL ILLNESS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE BE WITH THEM ALL DAY JUST TO MOVE THEM ALONG THE CONTINUUM AND MOVE THEM INTO THOSE THINGS. AND ADVOCATING FOR HOUSING ESPECIALLY. IT IS A FULL-TIME JOB TO WORK THROUGH THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM TO GET SOMEBODY HOUSED. THE OTHER IMPACTS OF MY STAFF THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT EVERY NIGHT IS THE IMPACT TO SECONDARY TRAUMA. MANY STAFF MEMBERS COME TO THIS WORK BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE WORK. THERE IS SOME CONNECTION TO THE WORK. WHY THEY ARE THERE AND COMMITTED. AND MAKING SURE NOBODY FALLS TO THE CRACK. ON A DAILY BASIS, THEY ARE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING STREET VIOLENCE, SUICIDE, DRUG OVERDOSE, SEXUAL ASSAULT. AND STILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM AND THAT MIGHT BE MULTIPLE TIMES IN A DAY. AND TO THINK THAT WE DON’T HAVE THE TEAM AROUND THEM TO SUPPORT THEM IN DOING THAT WORK, DEFINITELY SCARES ME. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SYSTEMS CHANGE, WE ARE ALL IN THIS THE úWORK FROM THE INSIDE OUT AND I IS SLOW. IT IS SO SLOW THAT IT IS SOMETIMES HEARTBREAKING. WHEN CASE MANAGERS FEEL LIKE NOTHING IS HAPPENING AND THE COMMUNITIES ARE OVERWHELMED WITH ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE, IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE MOVING MORE TOWARD COMPLIANCE MODELS AND MORE AWAY FROM HARM REDUCTION. WE ARE LOSING COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE SUFFERING THE MOST IN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE CASE MANAGERS CARRY THOSE STORIES. WE GO WITH THE MODEL. AND I KNOW I MIGHT NOT HAVE IT CORRECT. WE BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT THE WORST THEY HAVE EVER DONE. AND SOMETIMES WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR THEM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO IT IS A HEAVY BURDEN TO CARRY WHEN YOU KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN REFERRED AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO BRING SERVICES. RINNE WE WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MOST LEGAL INVOLVEMENT AND THE MOST VULNERABILITY. THAT IS WHO WE GO FOR FIRST. THE OTHER FOLKS STILL NEED HELP AND STILL NEED SERVICES ATTACHED TO THEM. >> I’M GOING TO CALL ON COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT, O’BRIEN, HERBOLD. BEFORE IRAN DOWN THE LINE, AND I’M TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF TIME A LITTLE BETTER THEN I SOMETIMES DO. MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU AND I WILL HAVE EVERYONE ELSE ASK. THIS IS FOR YOU, DAN AND LISA. UNDERSTANDING THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO REDUCE CRIME THROUGH A HARM REDUCTION MODEL. I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU RESPOND OF HOW WE BUILD AND RETAIN THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SEES THE SECOND PART OF SCOTLAND’S THE’S REPORT YESTERDAY AND THINKS THAT EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR. THAT WILL BE THE LAST QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I’M NOT SURE WHICH DAY IT WAS BUT LAST WEEK, WE HAD A MARATHON PRESENTATION AND ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS INCLUDED THE JUDGE FROM THE SEATTLE MENACE OF THE COURT. THAT WAS FRIDAY. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO CATCH THE SEATTLE MENACE BOOK COURT PRESENTATION. >> WE HAVE TWO JUDGES IN THE FRONT ROW. >> EXCELLENT. I DON’T RECOGNIZE FACES SO I THINK IT WAS DIFFERENT FOLKS. I HEARD YOU SPEAK AT THE MICROPHONE AND THEN THERE WAS THE OTHER JUDGE AT THE TABLE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE FOUR PILOT PROGRAMS THAT THE MAYOR SUGGESTED COULD REDUCE RECIDIVISM. ONE, SHE IS CALLING ENHANCED PROBATION. AND IT WAS ARTICULATED THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A NEW PROGRAM DESIGNED BECAUSE, AND I BELIEVE THE PHRASE WAS, 168 INDIVIDUALS CANNOT BE HELPED BY LEAD, COULDN’T BE REACHED BY LEAD. I WANT TO ASK YOU IF, GIVEN THE CHART WE JUST LOOKED UP BEFORE, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE WAITING LIST TO BE SERVED BY LEAD, DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY CROSSOVER WITH THESE 168 INDIVIDUALS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD ABSOLUTELY BE SERVED BY LEAD, HAD WE HAD ENOUGH CASE MANAGEMENT AND RESOURCES DIRECTED TO LEAD? >> REALLY IMPORTANT. WHEN THE FIRST SCOTLAND’S REPORT CAME OUT THIS SPRING WITH THE LIST OF 100 PEOPLE, THE REACH TEAM DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE LIST AND FOUND THAT OF THE 400 PEOPLE WE HAVE ACTIVELY WORKED WITH SINCE 2011, ALMOST ALL OF WHOM AT THE POINT OF REFERRAL WERE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS. THAT IS WHY THEY WERE REFERRED. OFFICERS HAD KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS, HAD ARRESTED THEM SCORES OF TIMES. AND OF THE GROUP OF 400, ONLY 2% WERE ON THE LIST. NOT BECAUSE LEAD IS NOT A RESPONSE TO THE GROUP BECAUSE THEY ARE AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE TO THE GROUP. BECAUSE OF THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE COORDINATION WE SEE OVER TIME, REDUCTION IN PROBLEMATIC BEHAVIOR. I WILL SAY, NOT FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE LIST OF 100. HERE WAS A ONE PERSON W LONGTIME LEAD PARTICIPANT. HONESTLY, NO ONE HAS FIGURED OUT AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE TO THAT ONE PERSON. NOT JUST LEAD. LEAD IS A CONTAINER FOR ALMOST ANY INTERVENTION. PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LEAD DO GET ARRESTED AGAIN. THEY GET BOOKED AND PROSECUTED. IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE OTHER STRATEGIES. THAT LADY HAD BEEN TO PRISON AND SHE HAD BEEN ON A DRUG OFFENDER SENTENCE. EVERYBODY HAD TRIED EVERYTHING AND SHE IS STILL DOING WHAT SHE DOES. SHE IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE 400 PEOPLE WHO WAS STILL IN THE STATE SHOWING UP ON THAT LIST. SCOTT DID NOT LOOK AT ALL THE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS. THERE ARE A FEW MORE PEOPLE LIKE THAT ON THE LEAD CASELOAD. IN GENERAL, THIS STRATEGY ESSENTIALLY WORKS WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE PROLIFIC OFFENDER LIST AND ACHIEVED A SHIFT IN TRANSFORMATION OVER TIME THROUGH BOTH THE INCREDIBLE CARE AND THERAPEUTIC ENGAGEMENT BY REACH BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT FACILITATES SMART JUSTICE. IT FACILITATES PROSECUTORS AND POLICE BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A THING THEY HAVE EVERY LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO BUT IT WOULD INADVERTENTLY IN THE ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESS IMPLODE SOMEBODY’S HOUSING STRATEGY. SO IT IS REALLY ALL THE PIECES. THE ROLE OF LEAD IN ALL CASES, DO THE THING YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND IS THE MOST LIKELY TO ACHIEVE BEHAVIOR CHANGE. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS VERY CLEAR THAT LEAD IS AN EFFECTIVE INTERVENTION FOR THAT GROUP AND IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ALL THE PIECES. WE DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING AS AS NEEDED AND APPROPRIATE. THERE IS NO SUPER EFFECTIVE INTERVENTION TREATMENT FOR AND METHAMPHETAMINES USED. SO THERE ARE PIECES WE ARE PUSHING FOR OUTSIDE THE CORE OF CASE MANAGEMENT. CASE MANAGEMENT OPENS WITH, WHAT WAS SCENE WAS THAT CASE MANAGEMENT ALONE DOES REMARKABLY BETTER THAN THE SYSTEM DOES. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE REACHED THE CEILING OF HOW WELL WE CAN DO BUT THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A CASE FOR NOT USING THIS PIECE. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT. >> THANK YOU CHAIR BAGSHAW. SORT OF AN OBSERVATION. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ADVOCATING PASSIONATELY FOR THE LEAD PROGRAM. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE POINTS EVERYBODY HAS MADE INCLUDING DAN SATTERBERG AND BRANDY, YOUR PASSION AS A DIRECTOR. IT IS VERY CLEAR. JUST TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT, LISA YOU MADE IT ALREADY WHICH IS THAT, THERE IS NO CASE TO NOT HAVE THE LEAD PROGRAM EXPANDED EVEN IF IT IS JUST SIMPLY OFFERING THE BARE MINIMUM. HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR IT TO ACTUALLY WORK AND THE WAY IT WOULD BE INTENDED AND THE HOLISTIC WAY IT IS INTENDED, WE DO NEED SERVICES AND HOUSING TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE CASE MANAGERS. WE NEED FUNDING FOR THE CASE MANAGERS. IF THE CASE MANAGERS DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO REFER THE PEOPLE TO, THEN ALSO THE PROGRAM FALLS SHORT. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION OF HOW THE DATA, WHICH I’M SURE YOU ARE BEING EXPERTS KNOW ABOUT, BUT TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY TWO THINGS. THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION THAT HAS COME FROM THE STUDY OF THE CEASE-FIRE POLICE PROGRAM IN OAKLAND AND THE REST OF THE BAY AREA WHERE THEY FOUND A SPECIFIC PROGRAM TARGETED TO REDUCE GUN HOMICIDE AND STUNNING RESULTS. 60% REDUCTION IN GUN HOMICIDE. AND WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THE BEST RESULTS ACTUALLY WERE OBSERVED IN THE MOST DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES BY LOW INCOME, MOSTLY MINORITY AND BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW IMPACTFUL THAT WAS. >> THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE ALSO WAS, AND I’M AGAIN SURE YOU ALL KNOW, IS THE PROGRAM FOR THE WORK AND GAIN EDUCATION EMPLOYMENT AND SKILLS WHICH SHOW THE EARLY RESULTS OF THE PROGRAM AND SHOWS THE RECIDIVISM RATE OF THE WAGES PROGRAM IS 2.5%. IT IS INCREDIBLY LOW AND INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. JUST TO DRAW THE LINE ON THE SUCCESS OF THESE PROGRAMS AND HOW IT HAS DEPENDED ON THE FACT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS TO REFER TO. ESPECIALLY HOUSING. BUT ALSO JOBS. >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR THE EDUCATION I HAVE RECEIVED OVER MY 10 YEARS HERE ON WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN’T WORK. THE COLLABORATION THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED, AND I KNOW THIS HAS TAKEN DECADES OF A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET THERE. IT IS REALLY AN AMAZING THING. I DIDN’T WANT TO UNDERSCORE THE POINT YOU MADE A MINUTE AGO WHICH IS, USING THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND THAT LEVEL OF COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION, THAT ALONE MAKES A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING SYSTEM WHICH I KNOW IS NOT EASY TO DO. I HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR SOME TIME, AS WE CONTINUE TO PUT PRESSURE, WITH A COUNCIL PUTTING PRESSURE. WE WANT MORE OF THIS AND MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE WANT TO SEE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE REFERRALS. AND WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THAT ALL THE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL AND IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MORE AND MORE OFFICERS ARE UNDERSTANDING THE BENEFITS OF THE SYSTEM AND ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING AND I IMAGINE WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED, THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE RELUCTANCE, WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE. AND I ALSO HAVE BEEN HEARING, THE HUMAN SERVICE IS FACING THAT IT IS HARD TO RETAIN QUALITY PEOPLE AT THE WAGES YOU ARE FUNDED TO PAY. AND AS A CRISIS CONTINUES, AS THESE CRISES GET BIGGER, THE SYSTEM IS GETTING OVERWHELMED. I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN FEAR OF, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. AND A LACK OF BEING ABLE TO MOBILIZE RESOURCES THAT I THINK ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THE DEMAND. I HAVE BEEN HAVING MY FINGERS CROSSED THAT I HOPE EVERYONE CAN PICK UP A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE AND WORK A LITTLE LONGER ON THE WEEKEND PROBABLY WITHOUT PAY. AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL JUST WE WILL ALL TRY A LITTLE HARDER. úI KNOW TO SOME EXTENT, THAT CA WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT. I AM GETTING THE SENSE THAT WE ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THAT PRESSURE WILL COLLAPSE THE SYSTEM. READING THIS TODAY WAS SO DISTURBING BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TO A HANDFUL OF EVENTS, WHETHER THEY ARE FUNDRAISING OR TOWN HALLS IN MY CAREER ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ABOUT PROSTITUTION AND WHO ARE THE VICTIMS AND WHO ARE THE CRIMINALS IN THIS. I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED TO UNDERSTAND THAT LARGELY WOMEN ON THE STREET IN THE SEX TRADE ARE VICTIMS IN THIS SYSTEM. NOT THE CRIMINALS. AND IT IS AMAZING TO KNOW THAT OUR PROSECUTORS AND OUR COPS ALL UNDERSTAND THE REALITY. IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO PULL OFF I IMAGINE IN OTHER CITIES. AND TO READ THAT FOR LACK OF ANYTHING BETTER TO DO, DESPITE WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS, WE HAVE REVERTED TO THE OLD SYSTEM. AND THAT IS CRUSHING TO ME. I LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR SLICE OF THE POPULATION WE ARE WORKING WITH AN I SEE THREE PATHS. THE WORST PATH IS TO DO WHAT APPARENTLY WE ARE STARTING TO DO AGAIN AND WE ARE GOING TO ARREST THESE VICTIMS AND NO IT IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM. IT MAY DIVERT THEM FROM THEIR ACTIVITY FOR A WEEK OR TWO BUT WON’T MAKE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. THEY WILL DO ALL SORTS OF DAMAGE IN THE PROCESS. THAT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE HEADING TOWARD. THE NEXT WORST THING, WHICH I THINK IS THE DILEMMA, IS TO DO NOTHING. TO SAY WE ARE JUST GOING TO ALLOW THIS BEHAVIOR TO GO ON BECAUSE TAKING ACTION WHEN THE ONLY OPTION THERE IS IS MORE HARM, DOES NOT FEEL APPROPRIATE EITHER SO WE WILL JUST DO MORE HARM BECAUSE THAT IS A RELUCTANT PLACE PEOPLE ARE IN. AND IF WE ONLY HAD THOSE TWO OPTIONS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS MIGHT MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS. THEY MAY FLIP THOSE AROUND. WE HAVE A THIRD OPTION AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WORKS. AND THE ONLY REASON WE CAN’T DO IT IS BECAUSE IN A CITY WITH THE WEALTH THAT WE HAVE AND THE BIG-BUDGET, WE HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO FUND THAT. AND I THINK AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE NEXT FOUR WEEKS OF BUDGET, IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND WAYS TO EXPAND THE SYSTEM TO MEET THE DEMAND. BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES ARE HORRENDOUS. THEY ARE HORRENDOUS FOR THE REALITY WHETHER IT IS BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS FRUSTRATED WITH CRIME. THEY ARE HORRENDOUS FOR THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE. IF FOLKS WANT THIS TO FAIL COULD POINT TO IT AND SAY IT FAILED, NOT BECAUSE THE PROGRAM DOESN’T WORK BUT BECAUSE WE DID NOT FUND IT AT THE SKILL NECESSARY. WE CAN TAKE ONE OF THE FEW TOOLS , THE FEW TOOLS WHERE WE HAVE CLEAR EVIDENCE WE RESOLVE THE VARIOUS CRISES THAT ARE BEING FACED THAT DAY AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING. I WANT TO LICK YOU ALL IN THE EYE AND SAY THAT I WILL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO FIND THE RESOURCES NECESSARY. IT WON’T BE EASY. I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE A HUGE BUDGET. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO MOVE AROUND. BUT WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS. IF THERE ARE ANY MORE DETAILS I AM MISSING OR SPECIFICS ON PROSTITUTION IN NORTH SEATTLE, PLEASE EDUCATE ME. I’M MOSTLY JUST MAKING A COMMITMENT TO YOU ALL AND A PLEA TO MY COLLEAGUES. >> ABOUT AS ARTICULATE A STATEMENT AND CONCLUSION AS I CAN IMAGINE. COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN, ONE MORE QUESTION. >> . >> LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ON THE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS LIST I APPRECIATE MOSQUEDA ASKING THE QUESTION. AND MOVING FORWARD, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO WEIGH. AND WAVE THE LIKELY BENEFITS OF MORE INVESTMENT ON SERVING PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR SERVICE. YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A PROGRAM AND WHO WILL SUCCEED IN THE PROGRAM VERSUS A PILOT PROJECT. FOR FOLKS WITHOUT ANY SECURITY OF RESULT IN OUTCOME AND A MORE NARROW SLICE OF THE POPULATION.>> WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AURORA AND WE TALK ABOUT CHALLENGE, I WANT TO SAY WE ARE CHALLENGED IN THE RIGHT WAYS. RECEPTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE. SPD HAS CHANGED THEIR BEHAVIOR. THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT REACH HAS SINGLE PARENTS AND THEY HAVE TO ARRANGE CHILDCARE TO RESPOND TO OPERATIONS. LAST MONTH THEY GAVE US 44 REFERRALS. IF YOU REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THE ESTIMATE FOR NORTH PRECINCT, IT WAS 50. IT ENDED UP BEING 250 FOR THE FIRST MONTH. WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO THE AURORA COMMONS WHO HAS IDENTIFIED DOZENS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON AURORA AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT BASES INTERACTING WITH THESE POPULATIONS. WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT NAVIGATING UW AND THE PEOPLE ON THE CAMPUS. AND TALKING ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WE ARE HAVING TO UNDERS STOP OFFICERS FROM INTERACTING WITH COMMUNITY OF COLOR WHO ARE TRYING TO SNEAK REFERRALS IN. TALKING TO PEOPLE STEPPING ON SOUTHWEST AND TRYING TO CONVINCE OFFICERS WHY THEY CAN’T DO REFERRALS ACROSS THE WEST SEATTLE BRIDGE. THE DEMAND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING IN ANY OF THIS IS HUGE AND REAL. >> I WANTED TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN FOR SHEDDING LIGHT ON THE ISSUE OF PROSTITUTION. SOME MORE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION THAT FOR US IS REALLY HARD. A MAJORITY OF THE REFERRALS ARE YOUNG WOMEN OF COLOR, AFRICAN- AMERICAN, UNDER THE AGE OF 25 WHO FELL THROUGH EVERY OTHER SYSTEM AND THEY ARE SHOWING UP HERE. AND FOR IT TO SHIFT TO PROSECUTING THESE VICTIMS, THESE CHILDREN INSTEAD OF PROVIDING THEM WITH SERVICES IS DISHEARTENING. IT IS HARD TO CARRY. AND THOSE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IMPACT MY STAFF IN TERMS OF SECONDARY TRAUMA AND BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THIS WORK AT THE RATE WE ARE GOING NOW. >> AND YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT MOVING AT THE SPEED OF TRUST I THINK IS SOMETHING FOR US TO HOLD ON TO AND I RESPECT WHAT ALL OF YOU HAVE DONE. THE QUESTION THAT I LED THE TWO OF YOU TO CONCLUDE WITH AND TARA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE AS WELL WHICH IS, HOW DO WE RETAIN AND BUILD THE TRUST OF COMMUNITIES SO THAT WE REMIND THEM THAT THIS PROGRAM IS ONE TO REDUCE CRIME. THAT IS THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENTION. I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE TWO OF YOU TO CONCLUDE. >> I THINK THAT COMMUNITY TRUST IS ESSENTIAL. RIGHT NOW THERE IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION. YOU GET IT AND I GET IT. PEOPLE ARE UPSET AT THE DISORDER THEY SEE VISIBLY IN SOME PARTS OF TOWN. IT DID NOT USED TO BE LIKE THIS AND NOW IT IS WORSE THAN EVER. WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT THEY DESERVE AS A RESPONSE. THE RESPONSE WE HAD INVOLVES THE JAIL AND THE POLICE AND THE COURTS. BECAUSE THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS IS A DIFFERENT RESPONSE AND WE KNOW ONE THAT WORKS BETTER. IT IS IN DANGER OF BEING SUNK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIES. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL STRATEGIES. I DON’T TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS ANYMORE. I THINK IT IS ARROGANT TO SAY WE CAN SOLVE THIS. I THINK THERE ARE STRATEGIES WE CAN INVEST IN AND EVALUATE AND DECIDE WHAT WORKS BETTER THAN OTHERS. SOME INVOLVE MORE PROBATION AND MUNICIPAL COURT OR THE WEST WING OF THE JAIL. THE LEAD PROGRAM IS A STRATEGY AND IT DESERVES TO BE FULLY FUNDED AND FULLY EVALUATED AND STACKED UP AGAINST THE OTHERS TO SAY, WHICH OF THESE WORKS BEST? WHEN PEOPLE IN A THOUGHTFUL MOMENT SAY, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE OVERREACTING IN SEATTLE? I SAY I THINK WE ARE UNDER REACTING. WE ARE ASKING FOR MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE UNDER REACTED TO THE SITUATION WE SEE IN THE STREETS. THERE IS NO SUGGESTION IT WILL GET BETTER IF WE HAVE FLAT FUNDING. FLAT FUNDING ENDANGERS THE COMMUNITY TRUST THAT WE NEED TO PROVE THIS APPROACH WORKS. >> LISA. >> THIS IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. I’M REALLY PROUD THAT WHEN LEAD LAUNCHED IN 2011, STANDING BEHIND DAN AND THEN CHIEF DIAZ AND THE OTHERS WHO WERE LAUNCHING IT, THE BELLTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL, THIS PROGRAM HAS ALWAYS, FROM DAY ONE, BEEN A PARTNERSHIP OF TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY WITH THE BUSINESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT HAVE TO BUY IN OR IT WON’T WORK. BECAUSE OF THE REACH APPROACH AND THE APPROACH OF OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, I’M CONFIDENT THAT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE AS STRONG TODAY, ALMOST NINE YEARS AND, AS THEY WERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED. THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ULTIMATE WITNESS TEST. IT HAS TO WORK FOR THEM. BECAUSE WE DO HOLD THOSE VALUES DEAR. WE ARE ABOUT CRIME REDUCTION AND WE ARE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THE FRIENDS OF THE WATERFRONT IS TRYING TO SECURE THEIR OWN LEAD CASE MANAGER NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEY SO BELIEVE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EFFICACY OF THIS APPROACH. WE ARE 1000% COMMITTED TO BE WITH THE SAME BUSINESSES THAT BROUGHT YOU THE SYSTEM FAILURE REPORTS. AND WE ARE NOT WRONG ABOUT THE DEGREE OF THE PROBLEM. AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE SCALABLE SOLUTION THAT FITS THAT PROBLEM AND IT HAS TO BE RIGHT SIZED OR THE FRUSTRATION WILL NOT END. WE ARE A SIGNIFICANT COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS NOT A PICTURE BRANDY EXPECTED TO BE IN A FEW YEARS THIS PARTNERSHIP, WHAT IT REPRESENTS IS THE BACKBONE OF THE WAY FORWARD. AND IT DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE IN LEAD DON’T SHOW UP. THERE IS A CALENDAR TO WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS. WHEN THEY SHOW UP, THE PROSECUTOR SHOULD KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE OPTIONS AND THE DAMAGE THEY CAN DO INADVERTENTLY IF THEY DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THIS APPROACH FEEDS ALL THE OTHER PIECES. JAIL DISCHARGE TO CASE CONFERENCING. LEAD IS AN IMPORTANT INGREDIENT IN THE ECOSYSTEM NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER PIECES ARE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL HAS A QUESTION. BEFORE HE SAYS IT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TRULY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND FOR HAVING THE KING COUNTY PROSECUTOR BEING ONE OF THE LEADS. IT SPEAKS VOLUME. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE GOOD ARTICLE YOU GOT FROM NICHOLAS KRISTOF. NOT OFTEN DO WE SHOW UP IN THE NEW YORK TIMES WITH BEING SOMETHING VERY POSITIVE. WELL DONE ON THAT. SO YOU TAKE US HOME. >> I DON’T NEED TO BE CONVINCED OF THE EFFECTS OF LEAD. I HOPE I HAVE BEEN A PARTICIPANT AND A CHEERLEADER SINCE DAY ONE. GREAT WORK. AND I LOVE THE STRATEGY. WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE? WHAT IS THE ASK? WHAT DOLLARS ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE? >> IF YOU SEE, 2019 TOTAL BUDGET, THIS IS THE SEATTLE LEAD. APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION NEEDED IN 2020 AT THAT CONSERVATIVE PROJECTED REFERRAL RATE OF 9.4 MILLION. IT IS A LITTLE UNDER THE 5 MILLION-DOLLAR GAP. AND WE DIDN’T STYLE THIS AS AN ASK. WE ARE HERE TO BE TRUTH TELLERS AND TELL YOU WHAT THE SITUATION IS. WE ALL HAVE, WE WILL BE PARTNERS IT WITH THE CITY AND CLOSING THIS GAP. IF THERE ARE OTHER RESOURCES, WE WILL FIND THEM. WE HAVE SOME IDEAS. BUT THE OTHER RESOURCES ARE NOT GOING TO COME ON BOARD WITHOUT A COMMITMENT BY THE CITY TO GET TO SCALE AND ASSUME PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS OVER TIME. I THINK IT IS A MATCHING SITUATION IF THERE IS OTHER HELP. SO PRESIDENT HARRELL, I THINK SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET FROM THE SECOND COLUMN TO THE THIRD COLUMN AND IF THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF THE SOLUTION, WE WILL WORK HARD TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE BUT WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING BEFORE THE END OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS. TO KNOW WHAT 2020 WILL LOOK LIKE. >> IT MIGHT BE THE IVY LEAGUE EDUCATION TAKING IN. I DID NOT HEAR IN ANSWER. WHAT THEY TAUGHT US THAT UW, WE HAVE ABOUT 9.3 MILLION DOLLAR BIG. THE CITY MAY BE TWO, THREE-ISH BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING LISA IS, THAT WE ARE JUST A THIRD, IF THE CITY CAN COME UP WITH AROUND A THIRD, THAT IS SORT OF, IS AT THE BALLPARK? >> 3.5 MILLION, NOT TO BE RUDE. >> SO TRULY, THIS GAP, WE HAVE TO GET THERE. AND CITY COMMITMENT TO DO THAT WOULD BE A BIG PIECE AND LEVERAGING ANYONE ELSE THAT WILL HELP FOR SURE. AND A PLAN TO GET TO SCALE OVER A FEW YEARS WITH COMPLETE PUBLIC SUPPORT CITY AND COUNTY, IS THE OTHER INGREDIENT FROM THE OTHER INVESTORS THAT MIGHT HELP US TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. >> IS AT THE BALLPARK? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE VIEWED BY ANYONE ELSE AS A SERIOUS COMMITMENT. >> ONE MORE QUICK CLARIFICATION. >> I APPRECIATE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL’S LINE OF QUESTIONING FOR WANTING US TO MOVE ON. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. YOU SAID THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. SO AN ADDITIONAL 4.58 MILLION WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. IS IT MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT YOU HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY WOULD BE 4.58 MILLION SO THAT ADDITIONAL DOLLARS COULD BE LEVERAGED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY MEET THE TRUE NEED, NOT A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE UNQUESTIONABLY PROJECTING TO TURN DOWN MANY REFERRALS OF PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR LEAD, COMMIT CRIMES DUE TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE INTERVENTION. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT OPTIMAL. SO WHAT YOU SAID IS SORT OF THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. >> I APOLOGIZE I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. THIS FOUR WEEKS WILL GO BY LIKE THIS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I’M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA. I’M NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU TO ANY NUMBER BUT TRYING TO GET A FEEL. BUT YOU HELPED ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NEXT GROUP COME UP RIGHT AWAY.>> FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE HERE, THANK YOU. WE HAD ASKED TO HAVE DAN SATTERBERG AND LISA DAUGAARD AND THE PROVIDERS AT THE TABLE FIRST SO THEY COULD PREVENT WHAT THEY BELIEVED WERE THE STRONGEST ARGUMENTS FOR WHY WE SHOULD FUND LEAD AND NOW WE HAVE FOLKS FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE, MAYOR’S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE REALITIES OF WHAT THEY ARE FACING. AND I’M JUST GOING TO TURN IT OVER AND START WITH THE NEW KIDS. THAT JUST ARRIVED. WHY DON’T WE START DOWN HERE, BEN BECAUSE YOU ARE USED TO INTRODUCING YOURSELF. >> CITY BUDGET DIRECTOR, BE NO N OVAL. >> TEST COLBY, MAYOR’S OFFICE. >> SEATTLE PD. >> HEATHER AMAN, CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. I’M THE LEAD LIAISON PROSECUTOR. >> MARK GARTHGREEN, DEPUTY CHIEF. >> I WAS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THE FUNDING PROVIDED IN THE 2020 BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME HISTORY AS WELL. AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO OTHERS WHO ARE MORE EXPERT IN THE AREA AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GRAPHIC HERE WHICH HIGHLIGHTS FUNDING PROVIDED FOR LEAD FROM BOTH KING COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SEATTLE SINCE 2014. I SHOULD NOTE THAT THESE NUMBERS DON’T ALIGN WITH THE NUMBERS YOU JUST SAW FROM LEAD ITSELF. IT INCLUDES SOME OF THE FUNDING ON THE PUBLIC SIDE THAT SUPPORTS THE WORK AS WELL. SO IT IS A SLIGHTLY HIGHER NUMBER. SO THERE IS STAFF ON BOTH THE COUNTY AND CITY SIDE. >> ARE THEY IN THE BALLPARK? >> YES. IF YOU TRY TO LINE THEM UP EXACTLY, THEY WON’T. I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY. THE PATTERN OF THE GROWING INVESTMENT AND GROWING PARTNERSHIP IS THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WITH THE GRAPH. IT IS DEMONSTRABLE. YOU CAN SEE FROM A RELATIVELY SMALL INITIAL INVESTMENT OF ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, THE OVERALL PROGRAM WILL GO TO MORE THAN 6 MILLION IN 2020. THE MATH IS LABELED INCORRECTLY. IT SAYS 605% GROWTH AND IT IS 505% GROWTH. ONLY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN DEVELOPING AND GROWING INTO PARTNERSHIPS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST SIX PLUS YEARS. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WAS ALREADY REFERENCED AND THAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DATABASE COMING ON IN THE SPRING. ONE OF THE THINGS THE EXECUTIVES ARE LOOKING TO DO IS DEVELOP MORE SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE METRICS IN THIS CONTRACT, GIVEN THE SCALE OF THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TRACK ISSUES ABOUT REDUCED CRIME. AND THE PRIMARY GOAL IS ABOUT CRIME REDUCTION. IT WAS NOTED THAT A FAIR SHARE OF PARTICIPANTS ARE INTO THE PROGRAM HOMELESS. SO UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE SUCCESSFUL FINDING THEM LONG-TERM STABLE HOUSING. AND ALSO THE SUCCESS WE ARE HAVING IN BOTH PLACING AND MOVING THEM THROUGH DRUG AND MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES AS NEEDED. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO TRACK. AND WITH THE DATABASE, WE THINK WE WILL HAVE THAT AND THE STRUCTURE OF A CONTRACT OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH SPECIFIC METRICS AROUND THAT. >> AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION OVER MANY OF THE YEARS THAT LEAD HAS BEEN AND DEVELOPMENT. CONFUSION ABOUT ITS PURPOSE WHICH IS TO BE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM TOOL TO REDUCE CRIME AND IT GETS CONFLATED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE REMAINING WITH OTHER 24/7 SHELTER WE ARE LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK LEAD HAS BEEN JUDGED IN TERMS OF HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS. I LIKE TO KEEP THOSE TWO SEPARATE AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT. SO IS THAT SUPPORTED BY THE EXECUTIVE TO MAKE AN IMPACT? >> AND TERMS OF THE FINANCES, THE 2020 PROPOSED BUDGET FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH THE ENDORSED LEVEL OF FUNDING APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND CONTINUING TO GROW THE OVERALL FUNDING LEVEL. OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD TODAY ABOUT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THAT FURTHER. SOME FOLKS AT THE TABLE WILL BE ABLE TO SHED MORE LIGHT ON WHAT THAT GROWTH MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT COULD BE DRIVING IT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE AND THIS WAS RAISED AND CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESENTATION LAST FRIDAY WITH SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS AROUND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKGROUP. AND I’M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. BUT SOME FOLKS ARE AND WERE AS THEY WORK THROUGH THAT. THE EXECUTIVE FIRMLY BELIEVES THAT FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS, WE NEED DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND LEAD WORKS FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF FOLKS AND IN IMPORTANT WAYS. THERE ARE ALSO FOLKS WHERE IT DOES NOT WORK AND HAS NOT WORKED IN THE PILOTS PROPOSED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE RECOGNITIONS ARE DESIGNED TO SEE WHAT OTHER STRATEGIES CAN WORK. AND PROSECUTOR DAN SATTERBERG MADE THAT POINT. THAT LEAD IS VALUABLE AND IT IS ONE OF MANY STRATEGIES. AND TRYING OTHERS COULD BE BEST FOR OTHER FOLKS AND THAT IS ALSO WORTHWHILE. THE BUDGET REFLECTS THAT NOTION THAT WE NEED TO BE TRYING A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES FOR THE WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS ENCOUNTERING ISSUES ON THE STREET. >> THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS BUILDING ON WHAT BEN JUST SAID. PRESENTLY THE LEAD CONTRACT SITS WITH HST. AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING, HST HAS COMMITTED AND úDOUBLED DOWN ON PERFORMANCE- BASED CONTRACTS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE POTENTIALLY ISSUES WITHOUT. WE THINK THAT THE DATA DRIVEN INVESTMENTS, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE VALUE PROPOSITION IS OF EVERYTHING WE ARE INVESTING IN IS VERY IMPORTANT. PROSECUTOR DAN SATTERBERG I THINK MADE A VERY IMPORTANT OBSERVATION WHICH IS SUBSTANCE USE IS NOT A DISEASE AND FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE APPROPRIATE INTERVENTIONS AND TO BE SUCCESSFUL ADDRESSING SUBSTANCE USE, WE NEED TO KNOW, AS HE SAID, WHO IS GETTING HELP AND WHO IS GETTING BETTER. IT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF METRICS WE ARE WORKING WITH LISA AND THE LEAD TEAM ON. WE REALLY APPRECIATE HER PARTNERSHIP IN THIS WORK AS WE WORK THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OF PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT CAN GIVE US A BETTER SENSE NOT JUST OF WHAT IS WORKING FOR THE INDIVIDUALS AND PARTICIPANTS IN LEAD BUT AS IMPORTANT, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE MODEL AND THE REPLICABILITY OF THE MODEL AND ACCURATELY STATED THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF NEEDS OUT THERE THAT NOT EVERY PROGRAM WORKS FOR EVERYONE. AND WHAT MEDICAL INTERVENTION FOR ME MIGHT NOT WORK FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. THIS IS TRUE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. WE ARE NOT ALL COOKIE-CUTTER INDIVIDUALS. FOR THAT REASON, IT IS TRULY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND MORE DEEPLY HOW THE MODEL IS WORKING, WHO IT IS WORKING FOR AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THOSE FOLKS FOR WHOM IT WORKS ARE GETTING INTO THE PROGRAM AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE MODELING PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE FOR SOME, LEAD MAY NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE FOR SOME AND HAVE ALTERNATIVES FOR OTHER FOLKS. IN THE END, I THINK WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WANTING TO SEE LEADS SUCCEED. AND WE REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP TO AGAIN DEVELOP THOSE METRICS. WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THE DATABASE COMING. I HAVE SEEN THE DATA POINTS AND IT. IT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT APPROPRIATE DATA ANALYTICS WILL GET US THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE WANT SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE SUCCESSFUL TOGETHER MOVING THIS FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE BREAKDOWN. I KNOW THAT WHEN THE COUNTY EXPANDS LEAD TO DIFFERENT CITIES AND LAST YEAR THEY EXPANDED TO BURIEN, THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, WHEN A PARTICIPANT OF LEAD IS DIVERTED FROM AN ARREST, IT IS THE JURISDICTION THAT THEY ARE — I WILL USE THE TERM ARREST. IF THEY ARE ARRESTED IN BURIEN AND DIVERTED, THAT IS NOT AFFECTING OUR NUMBERS BUT IF THERE IS SOMEONE IN SEATTLE, DO WE TRACK THE DATA ON WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE FROM? FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY ARE ARRESTED A LOT IN SEATTLE BUT THEY ALL RESIDE IN FEDERAL WAY OR RENTON, DO WE TRACK THAT? WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ANALYTICS, I’M CURIOUS AS TO WHO ARE THE RECIPIENTS OF THE SERVICES. THIS MODEL SORT OF JUST TELLS ME WHAT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ARE PAYING FOR. I’M CURIOUS AS TO THE RECIPIENTS OF THE SERVICES. >> WHEN YOU SAY OUR SERVICES, ARE YOU REFERRING TO LEADERSHIP? YES. >> THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO AS WELL. WE CERTAINLY HAVE NOT SEEN THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION. I SUSPECT THAT THE DEPUTY CHIEF MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRACKS. BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION OUT OF NEED. >> I WILL TELL YOU. WHAT MY STREAM OF THINKING IS, IS IN MANY CASES, VIOLENT CRIMES, AS AN EXAMPLE, IN THE YOUTH AREA, ARE YOUNG FOLKS THAT DON’T LIVE IN SEATTLE AND SOME OF THEM COME. I READ STATISTICS AND ARTICLES ABOUT THEM COMING TO SEATTLE AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THERE ABOUT GOING TO A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT WHO WE ARE SPENDING SOFTER SERVICES ON. I’M NOT MAKING A JUDGMENT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BUT WHEN WE SPLIT FUNDING ON PROGRAMS COUNTY VERSUS CITY, I’M CURIOUS AS TO WHO WE ARE SPENDING IT ON. >> IT IS A GREAT QUESTION. >> I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. IF AN OFFICER DOES AN ARREST DIVERSION, WE STILL CREATE PAPERWORK. WE HAVE A GENERAL REPORT. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA. A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THIS, WITH THE NUMBER OF REFERRALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD LEAD SET UP IN LEIU OF BOOKING. SO WE WOULD FIND SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AMOUNT OF COCAINE OR PROSTITUTION OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND DIVERT THEM TO THE JAIL. THAT STILL EXISTS TODAY. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW PROPORTION WHICH WE CALL A SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRAL. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE ARE COMING INTO CONTACT SOMETIMES WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS. AND OTHER PEOPLE NOT INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. ROUGHLY WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, IN 2018, ONLY 18% OF THE REFERRALS WERE FOR ARREST DIVERSION. ROUGHLY 80% OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRALS. WE DON’T CAPTURE THE DATA ON THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GENERATING A POLICE REPORT. BECAUSE THERE IS NO CRIME INVOLVED. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE DATABASE GETTING UP IS CRITICAL. IT COULD BE THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM ARE SERVING FOLKS THAT ARE DIVERTED THAT WAY OR BROUGHT INTO THE SYSTEM THAT WAY VERSUS THE ARREST. IT COULD BE DIFFERENT. WE DON’T KNOW. WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY GOING FORWARD. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT LEAD IS REPORTING TO THE COUNTY AND BUILDING OUT THE METRICS. BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE REPORTING TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL TO KING COUNTY. I THINK I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM KING COUNTY ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE STORY IT IS ABLE TO TELL ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF LEAD. >> YOU THINK THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THEN WE ARE? >> I THINK THEY ARE COLLECTING THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING INTEREST IN RECEIVING HERE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHICH DEPARTMENT IS DOING THAT? >> I BELIEVE IT IS THE KING COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. BUT I’M NOT A HUNDRED% SURE. >> LET’S FIND OUT WHETHER THEY ARE DOING THAT. CHLOE IS SAYING YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOT THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. IS THAT LEO’S GROUP? >> THANK YOU. JUST A MOMENT. DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS? >> I’M HEARING THE ANSWER IS THE OFFICE OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I DON’T KNOW WHO OVERSEES IT. I KNOW IT IS NOT LEO. >> SO IT IS NOT LEO AND IS NOT DAN. SO WE WILL KEEP LOOKING. >> WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. >> MY RESEARCH TELLS ME THEY ARE ABOUT 85% HOMELESS. SO IT IS ARTIFICIAL. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> I DID NOT EVEN KNOW YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. >> YOU ARE SO GOOD. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU LEAD THE CONVERSATION AS WELL WITH THE FOLKS FROM LEAD AND THE CASE MANAGERS AND THE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN EXPRESSING THE NEED ON THE GROUND. I KNOW COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAROLD DID NOT NEED TO PUT OUR FRIENDS ON THE SPOT BUT THE QUESTION WAS SO IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SCALE UP THESE PROGRAMS. AS WE THINK ABOUT THE EFFORT TO GO REGIONWIDE WITH RESPONDING TO THE CRISIS THAT IS HOMELESSNESS, I THINK THE FOLKS THAT LEAD PROVIDE A CRITICAL SERVICE AND THE REASON I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE NEXUS BETWEEN THE LEAD PROGRAM AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE REGIONAL LEVEL IS THAT WE KNOW THAT BEING HOMELESS IS NOT A CRIME. AND YET THE DATA WE KEEP POINTING BACK TO SHOWS THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SWEPT INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS THAT THEY DON’T HAVE A HOME OR THEY ARE SELF-MEDICATING BECAUSE OF THE CRISIS AND THE TRAUMA OF BEING HOMELESS. SO I LOVE THAT LEAD HELPED US UNDERSCORE REPEATEDLY THAT THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO REDUCE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND REDUCE CRIME. I THINK THAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER THAT. THE CROSSCUT ARTICLE THIS MORNING TALKED ABOUT 120 PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED AND THE VAST MAJORITY BEING WOMEN AS THE COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN TALKED ABOUT AND WHEN THEY GUN TO THE LEAD PROGRAM, THEY GOT HOUSING. THEY GOT HOUSE MANAGEMENT AND EMPLOYMENT SERVICES AND PREVENTED FUTURE ARRESTS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF SERVICES WE WANT TO DO. WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEED REGIONWIDE AND RECOGNIZED THROUGH THIS CHART THAT LEAD IS PROVIDING A REGIONAL A REGIONAL APPROACH, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW FUNDING COULD BE BETTER SERVED FOR THE REGIONAL EFFORTS. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A QUICK SECOND TO CHALLENGE THE NARRATIVE THAT STARTED THIS PANEL. BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD FROM THE DIRECTOR AND FROM THERE OF INCENTIVES IS THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TEST ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES, FOR US TO TRY NEW APPROACHES AND REACH PEOPLE THAT COULDN’T BE REACHED AND FOR US TO PILOT PROGRAMS WERE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN SERVED. AND NONE OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE TRUE IF INDIVIDUALS CAN’T GET INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE LEAD DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING IT NEEDS. THE CHART WE SAW FROM LEAD SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE FAILING TO GET INTO THE CASE MANAGEMENT THEY NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SCALED IT. I THINK IT IS AN UNFAIR NARRATIVE THAT IS BEING PUT OUT THERE THAT SOMEHOW THE 168 PEOPLE FOR EXAMPLE, OR MORE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO TEST OR TRY NEW STRATEGIES TO REACH THEM, IS SOMEHOW NEEDED, DOESN’T ALWAYS HOLD WATER FOR ME. BECAUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM. AND HAD WE HAD THE RESOURCES TO SCALE UP LEAD TO, THEY WOULD BE GETTING AN. I THINK WHAT WE HEARD IS OF THE 100 OR SO THAT GOT INTO THE PROGRAM, OF THE HUNDRED OR SO PROLIFIC OFFENDERS THAT WERE FEATURED LAST YEAR, ONLY ONE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE LEAD PROGRAM. SO I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS A NARRATIVE THAT WE NEED TO BE TRYING, TESTING OR PILOTING NEW PROGRAMS WHEN IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THEY ARE NOT GETTING INTO THE PROGRAM IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SCALED IT UP. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT AGAIN. IT IS NOT THAT FOLKS HAVE FAILED OUT OF THE PROGRAM. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET IN. >> WHEN WE DEAL WITH COMPLEX SITUATIONS LIKE WE HAVE IN SEATTLE, ON THE INTERSECTION OF MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, HOMELESSNESS AND PROPERTY CRIMES AND SUCH, I DON’T BELIEVE THERE IS A ONE-SIZE- FITS-ALL SOLUTION. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY RESOURCES AS WE CAN TO OFFER TO FOLKS. AND IT IS NOT TO ENFORCEMENT. ENFORCEMENT IS THE LAST LINE IN MY OPINION OF THIS. BUT TO HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE OFFICERS TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING, THERE IS I THINK MISINFORMATION THAT THE DIRECTION OF CHANGE OF ENFORCEMENT AT THE NORTH PRECINCT IS NOT DUE TO THE INABILITY TO GET PEOPLE INTO LEAD. IT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DID NOT BELIEVE, I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT LEAD WAS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS UP THERE. WE HAVE A PROSTITUTION PROBLEM IN THE NORTH PRECINCT. NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. AND WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT, TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND SHUT DOWN BACKPAGE AND CRAIGSLIST ADS, THEY FORCED A LOT OF THOSE WOMEN WHO WERE MAKING THEIR LIVELIHOOD FROM THE WEBSITES, FROM THE PHONE BOOKS, OUT ON TO THE STREETS AS WELL. WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING THE STREETS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY SUBSTANCE ABUSE. THEY HAVE HOMES. SOME OF THEM CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INTERVENTION WITH THEM, WHETHER IT IS LEAD OR SOMETHING ELSE. BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF THINGS. TO SIMPLY GO ABOUT DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECOMES PROBLEMATIC IF IT DOES WORK FOR SOME BUT NOT FOR OTHERS. WE HAVE HAD TWO HOMICIDES IN THE NORTH PRECINCT ON AURORA DIRECTLY RELATED TO PROSTITUTION ACTIVITY. I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN ORDER TO MAKE THE POPULATION SAFE AS WELL. I FIRMLY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING. I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN LEAD. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD FUND LEAD. ALL I’M SAYING IS THAT I NEED A LOT OF RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THE COMPLEX PROBLEMS WE HAVE OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU FOR CONCLUDING THAT WAY, THAT YOU BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO FUND LEAD. I THINK FOR ME AND I CAN FEEL MY COLLEAGUES, THAT THE IDEA THAT WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT WOMEN ARE PROSTITUTING THEMSELVES FOR A CHOICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALMOST SHOCKING TO SAY. WE CONSIDER IT MUCH MORE OF A SURVIVAL CRIME. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE THROUGH, INVESTING A FEW MILLION DOLLARS MORE, INTO THE PRECINCT SO THAT YOU HAVE THOSE OPTIONS, I’M FEELING VERY STRONGLY UP HERE THAT IT WILL HAVE THAT SUPPORT. COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> THANK YOU. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN AURORA MAKING CHOICES. THE ONLY PERSON MAKING A CHOICE IN TERMS OF PROSTITUTION ARE THE JOHN’S WHO ARE STOPPING TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GET IN THEIR CAR. THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE STREET ARE NOT MAKING A DAILY CHOICE TO GO OUT THERE. THEY HAVE, IN MANY CASES, RESORTED TO THE LAST OPTION TO SUSTAIN. IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES, REPEATEDLY YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE ARE SUSTAINING THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR KIDDOS. THIS IS NOT A CHOICE PEOPLE ARE MAKING AS IF THEY ARE HOUSED AND HAVE ALL ACCESS TO HEALTH SERVICES AND THEY FEEL ECONOMICALLY STABLE. PEOPLE DON’T MAKE THIS CHOICE. FOR ME, IT UNDERSCORES THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. WHERE IS THE DATA? IF YOU WANT THESE ORGANIZATION TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO MEETING SOME STANDARD OF DATA THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO PROVE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS AND YOU ARE BASING REFERRALS FOR ARREST INSTEAD OF LEAD, BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTION OR GUT OR A SENSE THAT SOMEHOW IT WAS BETTER TO ARREST THEM THEN GET THEM INTO LEAD, I WANT TO SEE THE DATA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING THIS CHOICE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY, IN MY 15 YEARS OF WORKING ON THIS ISSUE, FROM HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND LABOR TRAFFICKING AND FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS, I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO SHOCKED. >> I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILWOMAN. THAT COMES FROM MY EXPERIENCE OF WORKING THE STREET THERE AND TALKING TO A YOUNG LADY WHO SPECIFICALLY TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS THERE TO MAKE MONEY AND ENJOYED IT. BEYOND THAT, AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT YOUNG LADY. >> IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING THIS WAY. DID YOU JUST SAY SHE ENJOYED IT? >> THOSE ARE HER WORDS AND NOT MINE. >> I DON’T THINK YOU SHOULD BE SPEAKING FOR WOMEN AT ALL AND MUCH LESS WOMEN IN THE CONTEXT OF THE STATISTICS, WORLDWIDE STATISTICS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT GET INTO SEX WORK PRIMARILY GET INTO IT BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS IMPOSED ON THEM BY THE SYSTEM. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO SIT AND LITIGATE EVERY SINGLE WOMAN’S CHOICE. THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO QUESTION ANYBODY’S CHOICE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT THE OVERWHELMING STATISTICS DON’T EXIST, THAT OVERWHELMINGLY, WOMEN AND LGBTQ PEOPLE GET INTO THIS BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS. CAN WE AT LEAST KEEP REALITY IN FRONT OF US? SO MANY OF YOU COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT DATA AND DATA DRIVEN PERFORMANCE METRICS. YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE DATA AT ALL. JUST THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE USING IS JUST SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND I ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH INTERACTION THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SEX WORKERS OUTREACH PROJECT WHO WILL TELL YOU A LOT BECAUSE I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING REFLECTS, AT THE MINIMUM, A DEEP IGNORANCE ABOUT JUST THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF SEX WORK. I WANT TO CONNECT THIS TO A LARGER POINT YOU ARE MAKING WHICH, I DON’T THINK IS ACCURATE. BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE PROBLEMS ARE. YOU SAID THAT WE CAN’T HAVE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH. YES. WE AGREE WITH THAT. HOWEVER, I DON’T AGREE WITH PRESENTING THE IDEA OF LEAD AS A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. IT IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. AND LEAD IS A MODEL. MEANING THAT RATHER THAN HAVE PEOPLE GO INTO JAIL OR WORSE YET, A PRISON SENTENCE, YOU ACTUALLY GIVE THEM SOCIAL SERVICES. BUT WHAT THE NEEDS MAY BE, BASED ON THE SITUATION. AND YOU ARE RIGHT. NOT EVERYBODY THAT GETS INVOLVED IN THIS IS HOMELESS. BUT THEY HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS. SOME ARE FACING HOUSING ISSUES. IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS A MYRIAD OF ISSUES BEING DEALT WITH. IT IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN USE THE POINT ABOUT SEX WORK AND ISOLATION TO SAY THAT SOMEHOW LEAD IS NOT WORKING OR CREATE THIS AURA THAT SOMEHOW LEAD IS NOT MEETING THE NEEDS OF SOCIETY. IF YOU ARE NOT SUGGESTING, YOU ARE SUDDENLY IMPLYING THAT IT IS NOT WORTHY OF THE FULL FUNDING, WHICH I THINK IT IS. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR MY WORDS IF THEY CAUSED OFFENSE. THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT. THE INTENT WAS TO ILLUSTRATE THE COMPLEX NATURE AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THE WOMEN OUT THERE ARE VICTIMS. MOST OF THEM ARE BEING TRAFFICKED. AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO RESCUING THOSE VICTIMS. MY POINT WAS THAT WE NEED MULTIPLE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH SUCH A COMPLEX PROBLEM. AND I DO APOLOGIZE IF I OFFENDED. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. >> FURTHER COMMENT, HEATHER. >> THANK YOU. I GUESS THE POINT I WOULD TRY TO LIKE TO MAKE IS, AS THE PROSECUTOR WHO HAS BEEN THE LIAISON FOR MY OFFICE FOR THE LAST TWO AND HALF YEARS, THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM LEAD CASE MANAGERS MAKE US BETTER PROSECUTORS. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO CREATE INDIVIDUALIZED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE CONTACT WITH THE INFORMATION WE GET FROM THE CASE MANAGERS. THE PROSECUTORS ARE ABLE TO DO THAT. I OVERSEE ALL THE LEAD CLIENTS THAT ARE PART OF OR FIND THEMSELVES CHARGED WITH CRIMES IN SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT. WHEN I FIRST STARTED TWO AND HALF YEARS AGO, THERE WERE 357 LEAD CLIENTS. AS WE KNOW FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, THE NUMBER IS NOW 754. ON AVERAGE, THERE ARE ABOUT 20% INVOLVED IN SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT. I OVERSEE FILING DECISIONS AND ALL NEGOTIATIONS INVOLVING THOSE CASES PRE-AND POST- DISPOSITION. THE ONLY THING I DON’T DO IS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE CASES TO TRIAL SHOULD THAT BE THAT YOUR DIRECTORY OF THE CASE. TO DATE, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO CASES THAT HAVE GONE TO TRIAL. AND THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF HEARINGS, HUNDREDS OF CASES AND HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUALS EACH YEAR THAT ARE METRIC RELATING THROUGH A SEATTLE MENACE OF A COURT CHARGED WITH CRIMES. AS A MAINSTREAM PROSECUTOR WHICH I WAS FOR 15 YEARS PRIOR TO TAKING ON THIS ROLE, YOU HAVE THE FOUR CORNERS OF A POLICE REPORT AND THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE CRIMINAL HISTORY IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WILL CHANGE THAT INDIVIDUAL’S BEHAVIOR. WHAT WILL EFFECTIVELY EXIT THEM FROM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ? THAT IS WHY LEAD IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT. SUCH AN IMPORTANT PARTNER FOR MY OFFICE BECAUSE FOR SOME OF THESE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS OR FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT FIND HEMSELVES REPEATEDLY IN THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE THE INFORMATION AND THE TOOLS WE NEED IN ORDER TO CREATE THOSE INDIVIDUALIZED PLANS. WITHOUT LEAD, CASE MANAGERS PARTNERING WITH US IN PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION, THE ONLY WAY WE GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEFENDANT IS FROM THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND THEIR JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE CLIENT. THE CLIENT IS NOT AUTHORIZING THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH THE PROSECUTION. WE JUST DON’T HAVE THE NECESSARY TOOLS TO CREATE THE INDIVIDUALIZED PLANS AND BE SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING INDIVIDUALS EXIT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR CREATED A CALENDAR THAT LEAD CASES COULD GO TO WHICH HAS EFFECTIVELY CREATED A SPACE WHERE LEAD CLIENTS HAVE HAD SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE RESOLUTION OF THE CASES. THE JUDGES IN THE COURTROOM THAT CURRENTLY OVERSEES THAT COURT. ALSO IN THAT COURTROOM, WE ARE ABLE TO CREATE A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR THE CLIENTS. AND I THINK THAT IS INVALUABLE. A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONTACT WITH THE COLONEL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE THEY HEARD THE SAME MESSAGE. THE JUDGES SAID THAT YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO YOU. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PERSON. EACH WEDNESDAY MORNING WHEN WE HAVE THIS CONSOLIDATED CALENDAR, WE ARE FOCUSING ON WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING BETWEEN COURT HEARINGS. WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING AS SMALL AS OBTAINING A WASHINGTON STATE IDENTIFICATION WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR APPLYING FOR BENEFITS AND HOUSING AND ALL THE GOALS INTENDED TO STABILIZE THE INDIVIDUALS AND REDUCE CONTACT WITH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE ARE DOING THAT TO CHANGE THE MESSAGING. COME INTO THE COURT ROOM. WE WILL CELEBRATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT. WE WILL ADDRESS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WRONG. BUT WE WILL TRY TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL AND DELIBERATE AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME NOT ALWAYS AGREEING BUT ULTIMATELY FOR THE CITY, THERE IS A BALANCE OF VICTIM AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WITH THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND OBVIOUSLY THE COURT HAS THIS AS WELL. I AM HERE PERHAPS. PERHAPS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE FIRST PANEL ONE IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION HAPPENING. I’M HERE TO SAY THAT EXPANDING CASE MANAGERS IS NECESSARY. CASE MANAGERS ARE CONSTANTLY APOLOGIZING TO ME BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET BACK TO ME IN A TIMELY FASHION OR THEY COULDN’T GET TO SEE A CLIENT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY. THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO ME. ABSOLUTELY, ADVOCATING FOR CASE MANAGERS, FOR THERE TO BE MORE CASE MANAGERS, I CAN SEE ON THEIR FACES THAT THEY HAVE SUCH A STRONG CONNECTION WITH THEIR CLIENTS. AND TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB THE WAY THEY COULD IF THEY JUST HAD FEWER CLIENTS, YOU CAN SEE IT IS TAKING ITS TOLL. I AM HERE TO SAY THAT, OUR OFFICE, THE SEATTLE CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE VALUE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH LEAD. HAVING THE CASE MANAGERS IN THE COURTROOM TO HELP US TO OUR JOB BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVELY AND I’M HERE TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A JUMP FROM 357 CLIENTS TO 754, IT IS GETTING A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SPEND THE TIME NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE INFORMATION AND MAKE THOSE EDUCATED DECISIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT I’M ABLE TO DO MY JOB AS A PROSECUTOR AS WELL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. A QUICK QUESTION. YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO GIVE ME A STATEMENT. DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE SUPPORT THIS APPROACH? AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT IS A CRIME REDUCTION STRATEGY WORTHY OF OUR INVESTING AND ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE CASE MANAGEMENT, THE NUMBERS OF CASE MANAGERS? >> 100%, YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES? >> ANY OTHER STATEMENTS FROM THE BOARD HERE?>> ONE STATEMENT. THERE IS ONE PIECE I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO ADD. IT IS ABOUT THE PROJECTION FOR THE REFERRALS. WE KNOW FROM SEEING THE CHANGE IN THE NATURE FROM ARREST DIVERSIONS TO SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRALS AND TALKING TO OFFICERS IN THE FIELD THAT SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE SLOPE OF THAT, HEARING FROM OFFICERS A LOT AND FEELING IN THE NORTH END, WHERE A LOT OF THIS SURGE CAME FROM EXPANSION TO THE NORTH, A LOT OF THE SERGEANTS AND OFFICERS FEELING THEY MAY HAVE TAPPED THE POPULATION THEY WOULD REFER. IF THEY WERE GOING TO FOCUS ON ARREST DIVERSIONS INSTEAD OF SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRALS AND SOME PRIORITIZATION OF REFERRALS, THAT THE SLOPE MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS THE PROJECTION. SO THE NEED MAY NOT BE AS GREAT COMING FROM POLICE DEPARTMENT REFERRALS. I THINK WE NEED TO SCOPE OUT THAT IS THIS PRIMARILY IN ARREST AVERSION MODEL OR SERVICE REFERRAL AND THAT IS A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE CAPACITY OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE ARE MISSING SOME OF THE DATA FOR THE SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRALS. WE DON’T KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH THERE IS CRIMINAL JUSTICE INVOLVED. IS IT AS HEAVY AS THE INITIAL ROLLOUT OF THE PROGRAM WHERE WE SAW HAVE YOUR ARREST AVERSION AND WE KNEW THE HISTORY FROM THE EVALUATION THAT UW DID. WHAT I’M LOOKING FOR IS, THE LAST POINT WHERE WE DID THE EVALUATION, WHO IS IN IT NOW AND WHAT IS THE HISTORY AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM? WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE 11-14 SEGMENT THANKS TO THOSE EVALUATIONS. I’M MOSTLY CURIOUS AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH LISA THAT EVALUATIONS TAKE A LONG TIME AND COST A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THE PEER-REVIEWED. I THINK AS A CITY AND PARTNERSHIP, I HAVE SAT ON THE EVALUATION WORKING GROUP. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE CITY, I WAS WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT WHERE WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WOULD EXPAND WITH THE CITY. TOGETHER, AS A TEAM, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. I DON’T THINK WE NEED A FULL FORCE EXTERNAL REVIEW TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND. I THINK THAT IS WE COULD DO TO EXPAND IT TO OTHER PLACES. WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS, WHAT IS GOING ON NOW AND WITH THE CLIENTS? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM. THAT IS THE VALUE OF THE DATABASE. >> I BELIEVE THE DATABASE IS UNDERWAY. AND I HEARD TODAY FROM MT THAT AND I DIDN’T DO A LITTLE JEWEL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED WILL BE FUNCTIONING AS THE KEY CONTACT AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK LISA AND DAN HAS DONE TO GET THAT GRANT FROM MICROSOFT WHEN WE WERE STRUGGLING TO GET THAT. NOW WE HAVE IT. WE HAVE AN IT PERSON DEDICATED TO THAT. I HOPE WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU WILL START SEEING WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR. AND ALL OF US WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS ACCOUNTABLE AND IT IS SAYING, YES, THIS IS WORTH INVESTING IN. BUT FROM EVERYBODY WE HAVE HEARD FROM TODAY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY TO THE PROVIDERS TO THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DESIGNED THE PROGRAM, IT IS VERY VALUABLE TO GIVE THE COURT THE OPTIONS. DID YOU HAVE A CLOSING STATEMENT? >> I SAID IN AN EARLIER HEARING THAT I THOUGHT THE CHIEF SHOULD BE HERE. AND I DID GET COMMUNICATION FROM HER THAT SHE WAS BACK EAST OR IN TRANSIT. ACCEPT THE APOLOGY AND WHAT YOU SAID. I’M NOT SURE IF THE APOLOGY, IF YOU ARE APOLOGIZING FOR WHAT YOU SAID OR THAT YOU SET IT. IS A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT STANDING ALONE FOR SAYING THINGS YOU WISH YOU COULD RETRACT. I HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT MYSELF. BUT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH TOP LEADERSHIP IS REALLY, DO THEY GET THIS WORK SOMETIMES? úAND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A CERTAIN HUMAN BEING THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS PERHAPS GENERATIONAL EXPERIENCES OF ABUSE AND DRUG ISSUES AND EXPERIENCES THAT PERHAPS, I DON’T KNOW YOUR STORY SO I DON’T MAKE ANY PRESUMPTIONS ON HOW YOU WERE RAISED BUT BEING CLOSE TO THE STREETS MOST OF MY LIFE, I TEND TO NOT LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, THAT THESE ARE CHOICES PEOPLE MAKE. THAT THIS IS AN INVESTMENT STRATEGY IN SAVING LIVES. AND I HOPE FROM THE TOP ALL THE WAY DOWN, THAT THEY REALLY GET WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN INVESTMENT STRATEGY. MY JOB IS SIMPLE AT THIS POINT. IT’S NOT SIMPLE. THE TASK IS SIMPLE TO DO AND THAT IS SO WE HAVE TO DO WITH FINDING THE MONEY. I HOPE YOU TAKE SERIOUSLY WHY YOU OFFENDED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT, I SAY ATTITUDE OR WORDS. BECAUSE I DON’T LOOK AT IT AS CHOICES WHEN LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS PROGRAM. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH COME ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE TNC “FARE SHARE” PLAN. I INVITE THE NEXT MEMBERS OF THE PANEL TO COME UP. SHEFALI RANGANATHAN, I SEE YOU ARE PART OF THIS. AND KATE. OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS. I THINK BEN IS BACK.>> THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS. >> NO KIDDING. >> CAN I ASK FOR INTRODUCTIONS AND WE WILL START. AMY. >> I AM KATE GARMAN WITH THE MAYOR’S OFFICE. >> KEREM LEVITAS COME OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS. >> SHEFALI RANGANATHAN, DEPUTY MAYOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY WE WILL HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM THE MAYOR’S OFFICE ON THE PROPOSED TAX ON TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANIES WHICH WE CALL TORQUE TNC AND PROPOSED PROTECTIONS FOR TMZ DRIVERS INCLUDING A SAVAGING MINIMAL COMPENSATION FOR DRIVERS IN ESTABLISHING A DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER TO ADDRESS DRIVER DEACTIVATION. AS COUNCILS AWARE COME OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL COUNCIL ACTIONS TO ESTABLISH POLICIES AND REGULATIONS FOR THIS EMERGING INDUSTRY INCLUDING ORDINANCE 124524 IN 2014. IN 2015, WE HAD ORDINANCE 124968. MOST RECENTLY COUNSEL PASS RESOLUTION 318089. SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT DATA SHARING REQUIREMENTS AND RATES OF POTENTIAL MINIMUM WAGE FOR DRIVERS AND BETTER POLICY ALIGNMENT THROUGH THE INDUSTRY. AS IT WILL HEAR, THIS PROPOSAL TOUCHES SEVERAL ISSUE AREAS AND INVOLVES SEVERAL CENTRAL STAFF MEMBERS. WE WILL HAVE LEAD ON THE LEGISLATION AND I WILL BE LEAD ON LEGISLATION RELATED TO THESE TAXES AND SPENDING. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR. >> COUNCILMEMBERS COME AS WE GET OUR PRESENTATION QUEUED UP, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT THE “FARE SHARE” PLAN. I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY THANK THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL, COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN AND COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. IT IS YOUR WORK OVER MANY YEARS THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE POINT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS ISSUE AND I’M EXCITED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TODAY AND THE PRESENTATION. WE WILL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ORDINANCES AND THE DETAILS OF THOSE PLANS. I JUST WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO CONTEXT THAT FOR YOU ALL. WE HAVE SEEN RAPID GROWTH OF TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANIES AND OUR CITY. LAST YEAR, THEY ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT 24 MILLION NEW RIDES IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE. MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE WERE IN THE CENTER CITY. THE ZIP CODE OF DOWNTOWN, CAPITOL HILL, BELLTOWN. AND THESE COMPANIES, PARTICULARLY ARE VALUED AT BILLIONS. WITH THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SHARED PROSPERITY FOR THE DRIVERS AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SET OF WORKER PROTECTIONS FOR THEM. IN ADDITION, WE BELIEVE THIS MODEST 51 CENTS INCREASE IS GOING TOWARDS WHAT YOU ALL WILL AGREE SEATTLE VALUES RELATED TO INVESTING TRANSIT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUPPORTING THE DRIVERS. SO JUST TO QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THE MAIN GOALS OF THE PROPOSAL, IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST TO MANDATE THAT DRIVERS THAT DRIVE FOR UBER AND LYFT MAKE AT LEAST A MINIMUM WAGE PLUS BENEFITS AND EXPENSES. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT. IT IS TO INVEST IN TRANSIT AND FULLY FUND THE CONNECTOR STREETCAR WHICH WILL RUN ON FIRST AVENUE. IT IS TO INVEST IN A FIRST OF ITS KIND PROTECTION FOR DRIVERS. AND IT IS TO BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRANSIT. >> THE NATURE OF WORK IS CHANGING. AND MORE AND MORE WITH, WITH A CELL PHONE YOU ARE ABLE TO GET FOLKS TO DO ALL KINDS OF WORK. WE CALL THIS THE APP PASTE GIG WORK AND IT IS STARTING TO REPLACE THE TRADITIONAL 9:00 UNTIL 5:00 JOB UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHICH MEANS THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE EMPLOYMENT LAWS AND REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS THAT WE SET IN SEATTLE INCLUDING THE MINIMUM WAGE WHICH IS CURRENTLY $16. FOR THE UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS, THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT REIMBURSED FOR EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH OWNING AND OPERATING THE VEHICLES WHICH ARE NECESSARY FOR THE SERVICE. THIS INCLUDES MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS AND OTHER TYPES OF EXPENSES ASSOCIATED. AND THERE ARE STUDIES THAT HAVE ALREADY SHOWN THAT AFTER THESE INCIDENCES, UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS ARE NOT MAKING A MINIMUM WAGE AND DON’T RECEIVE STANDARD BENEFITS AND CRITICAL PROTECTION THAT OTHER WORKERS DO. IN ADDITION, THERE IS UNCERTAINTY AND THE INDUSTRY WHERE DRIVERS DO FACE UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, THEY CAN BE ESSENTIALLY DEACTIVATED FROM THE PLATFORM, LIMITING THEIR ABILITY TO EARN A WAGE. AND TO ELABORATE ON THE IMPACT UBER AND LYFT HAS HAD ON THE CITY STREETS, THEY RELY ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CURB SPACE TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF. AS I SAID, 24 MILLION RIDES LAST YEAR. WE EXPECT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO WHAT 24 MILLION RIDES HIS. IT IS ABOUT 91,000 RIDES A DAY. IT IS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM IS CARRYING RIGHT NOW. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN TERMS OF EMISSIONS, USE THE RIGHT AWAY AND CONGESTION. AND RECENTLY, AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON, THERE WAS A STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT, ON AVERAGE, UBER AND LYFT ACCOUNTS BETWEEN 29-39% OF TOTAL VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IN SOUTH LAKE UNION. THERE IS DEFINITELY AN IMPACT PLAYER. AS I SAID BEFORE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING CONTINUED GROWTH. THIS IS GOING TO GROW OVER TIME WE ARE EXPECTING. >> A QUICK PAUSE. COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> DEPUTY MAYOR, I’M SORRY TO ASK YOU TO DO THIS BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE NUMBER THREE. I WANTED TO SPEND ONE QUICK SECOND TO ON THIS SLIDE MENDHAM CHAIR. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LIFT UP THE DRIVERS WHO ARE IN THIS SIUATION THAT YOU JUST OUTLINED. AND I THINK THE MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE DRIVERS WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ADVOCATES AND THE HOUSING ADVOCATES TO COME UP WITH THE FULL PACKAGE. I WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE COUNCIL SINCE 2015 AND 2018 HAVE BEEN WORKING ON LEGISLATION TO UNDERSCORE HOW WORKERS AND DRIVERS IN THIS SECTOR ARE FACING DISPARITIES IN TERMS OF HOW THE LABOR STANDARDS ARE APPLIED TO TRADITIONAL WORK SECTORS VERSUS WHAT IS OCCURRING ESPECIALLY FOR TNC DRIVERS. WHEN I WAS IN NEW YORK EARLIER THIS YEAR I HAD THE CHANCE TO BE INVITED TO STAND ON THE FLOOR OF THE NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL WHICH LOOKS MORE LIKE A SENATE CHAMBER AND THEY REALLY DID TAKE A MINUTE TO REFLECT ON HOW THESE STATISTICS ARE AFFECTING ACTUAL DRIVERS. WE PAUSED BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER AGENDA AND TOOK A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO RECOGNIZE THE MOST RECENT UBER DRIVER WHO HAD TAKEN HIS OWN LIFE. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD COMMITTED SUICIDE IN A SERIES OF SUICIDES THAT WERE EXPERIENCED BY INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE TNC DRIVERS AND ALSO TAXI DRIVERS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT HAVING ENOUGH FUNDING TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. THEY COULD NOT EARN ENOUGH OF A WAGE TO CARE FOR THEIR FAMILIES OR PAY FOR THEIR CAR OR THE INSURANCE, GIVEN THE SITUATION YOU OUTLINED HERE IN THE BULLETS IN FRONT OF US. I WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT TO PUT ON THE -UNDERSCORE. SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE ARBITRATION OFF OF APPS. HOW SOME OF THESE PROCESSES HAVE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL WORKERS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING A SLIDE. SO FROM THIS COAST TO THE OTHER COAST, WE KNOW THE SITUATION IS SOMETHING MANY VANESSA PENALTIES AND POLICYMAKERS ARE LOOKING TO ADDRESS. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE LOSING LIFE. >> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. AND SOME OF THE STORIES YOU RECOUNTED ARE NOT UNIQUE TO NEW YORK. I WAS JUST AT A ROUNDTABLE EARLIER TODAY WHERE WE HEARD STORIES OF DRIVERS WITH FAMILIES WHO ARE BASICALLY IN A STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL AND ARE HAVING TO NOW WORK LONGER AND LONGER HOURS TO SOMETIMES 10, 12 OR 15 HOURS, TO MAKE WHAT THE WERE MAKING JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS IS REALLY A STORY ABOUT HOW THESE ARE PEOPLE FALLING THROUGH THE? AND THIS PROPOSAL IS AN EFFORT TO CREATE THAT SAFETY NET FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SHADOWS AS IT COMES TO WORKER CLASSIFICATION. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DRIVER WAGES. AS YOU ALL HIGHLIGHTED, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS STARTING TO BECOME AN ISSUE, NOT JUST IN SEATTLE BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SEVERAL STUDIES LAST YEAR, ONE BY THE ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE AND THE SECOND ONE WHICH WAS A STUDY BY THE NEW YORK CITY TAXI AND LIMOUSINE COMMISSION, SHOW THAT ON AVERAGE, DRIVERS ARE NOT EARNING A MINIMUM WAGE. SO THE POLICY INSTITUTE LOOKED AT DRIVER WAGES WHEN COMPARED TO MINIMUM WAGES OF VARIOUS CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. ON AVERAGE, UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS WERE MAKING ABOUT $10.87 AN HOUR. AS YOU KNOW THE MINIMUM WAGE HERE IS FAR ABOVE THAT. EVEN IN THE NEW YORK STUDY, IT WAS FOUND THAT 85% OF DRIVERS WERE NOT MAKING WHAT THE MINIMUM WAGE EQUIVALENT FOR AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR WAS WHICH WAS $17.22. >> I’M SORRY. CAN WE GO OVER THAT SLIDE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO THE RED ONE ON TOP SAYS UBER WAGES AND THE ONE BELOW SAYS UBER DISCRETIONARY. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? >> ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE CERTAIN EXPENSES THAT, IF YOU WERE A TYPICAL EMPLOYEE, YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE EXPENSES. FOR EXAMPLE, SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE TAXES. ON THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR SIDE, IT IS AN EMPLOYEE BUT ALSO AN EMPLOYER BECAUSE THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR. ESSENTIALLY THEY PAY A TOTAL OF 15% AND THOSE TAXES. WHEN YOU START TO PULL APART THAT PIECE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING, YOU END UP WITH $10.87. >> ON THIS CHART, IS THIS $15.45, IS THIS AN HOUR AFTER? >> THIS SLIDE, THIS SHOULD BE UPDATED ACTUALLY. OBVIOUSLY IT IS THE WAGE NOW. THE WAGE IN SEATTLE IS $16. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MINIMUM WAGE AND REASONABLE EXPENSES. IT IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX ISSUE. MINIMUM WAGE AS WE KNOW IS TYPICALLY APPLIED TO HOURS WORKED. FOR REGULAR HOURS WORKED, FOR AN EMPLOYEE, YOU DO THE WORK AND YOU GET PAID. FOR AT BASE WORK WITH DRIVERS, CURRENTLY THEY ARE ONLY COMPENSATED FOR THE TIME THAT THE PASSENGER IS IN THE CAR. SO THEY GET PAID A LITTLE TIME TO WAIT FOR THE PASSENGER. BUT THE TIME WAITING FOR A PASSENGER OR THE TIME THEY SPEND DRIVING TO PICK UP A PASSENGER, CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT COMPENSATED FOR THAT WORK. THEY DON’T GET REIMBURSED FOR MAINTENANCE, REPAIR OR DEPRECIATION FOR THEIR CARS. THESE ARE JUST EXPENSES HE WOULD ASSOCIATE. YOU NEED A CAR TO PROVIDE. IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF WHAT WE EXPECT, IT WOULD INCLUDE PAID TIME AND PAID FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE AND ON EMPLOYMENT WORKERS AND OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF EMPLOYERS THAT PROVIDE HEALTHCARE AND RETIREMENT. >> CURRENTLY UBER AND LYFT DO NOT OFFER THESE PROTECTIONS OR BENEFITS. I WANT TO SPEND A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE VARIOUS PHASES INVOLVED IN DRIVING. IN A TYPICAL SITUATION, YOU HAVE THREE PHASES AND TIMES. YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC AT ONE TIME. THIS IS THE TIME THE DRIVER IS LOGGED ON TO THE APP. SOMETIMES THEY ARE LOGGED ON TO MULTIPLE APPS. AND THEY ARE WAITING FOR A TRIP REQUEST FOR A PASSENGER. THAT COULD BE THEY ARE CIRCLING OR THEY ARE PARKED SOMEWHERE STRATEGICALLY WAITING. THIS IS WHEN YOU PICK UP YOUR PHONE AND YOU SUMMONS THE UBER OR LYFT. THE DRIVER WILL ACCEPT THE RIDE AND THEN THEY HEAD TO BREAK TO PICK YOU UP. THE TIME THEY SPEND TO PICK YOU UP IS NOT INCLUDED. THEN THERE IS THE P THREE-TIME WHICH IS THE TIME THE PASSENGER IS PICKED UP AND TAKEN TO THE DESTINATION. THAT TIME IS CONSIDERED THE P3 TIME. THAT IS THE TIME THAT IS CURRENTLY COMPENSATED BY THE COMPANIES. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT P1. THIS IS TIME THAT IS SORT OF IN THE GRAY AREA OF UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS BUSINESS AND COMPENSATION MODEL WORKS. BASICALLY, OTHER STUDIES, INCLUDING ONE COMMISSIONED BY UBER AND LYFT SHOW THAT DRIVERS SPEND SOME PORTION OF EACH OF ARE CIRCLING OR WAITING. THAT IS THE P1 TIME. THE UBER AND LYFT STUDY, IT WAS RELEASED. IT IS SHOWN THAT TWO THIRDS OF MILES TRAVELED, WERE DRIVEN IN P1. UBER AND LYFT REVISED THE ESTIMATE TO 40%. IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, 40% OF ALL MILES DRIVEN ARE DRIVEN IN THE PUBLIC AT ONE TIME WHICH TO REMIND YOU IS NOT COMPENSATED. THIS IS, NEW YORK CITY LOOKING AT THIS AND THEY FOUND THAT EVERY HOUR, 25 MINUTES IS IDLE TIME. SO YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY NOT GETTING PAID FOR THE 25 MINUTES OF EVERY HOUR YOU WORK. AS A REMINDER, THE CORE PRINCIPLE OF THE BUSINESS MODEL IS THAT WHEN YOU PICK UP YOUR PHONE, YOU SEE THE CARS CIRCLING AND YOU ARE ABLE TO GET A CAR IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THIS REQUIRES DRIVERS — MIMIC. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. I ASSUME TECHNOLOGY NOW ALLOWS UBER, LYFT AND THE CITY TO KNOW IF THEY ARE IN P1 WHEN THEY ACTIVATE, SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS US TO BE ABLE TO TIME THAT. >> THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> SO THE TNC MUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRACK? >> I CANNOT SPECULATE TO THAT BUT I WOULD IMAGINE. >> WHERE I’M GOING WITH THIS IS, APPARENTLY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY BECAUSE THEY ARE SHOWING US HOW MUCH TIME IS IN P1. SO THEY TRACK IT SOMEHOW. SO IS THE COMPENSATION FOR P1 — P2 IS WHEN THEY ARE TRANSPORTING SOME PERSON. >> P2 IS WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO PICK SOMEONE UP. >> SO WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DURATION FOR P1 AND P3 AND THEN TRY TO COME UP WITH A MINIMUM WAGE. IT IS NOT AS THOUGH WE ARE SAYING YOU ARE PAID THE SAME FOR P1 AND P3 PICK THE POINT IS THEY ARE WORKING AND IT IS ALL PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE. MY QUESTION IS, CAN THE SYSTEM BE GAMED AT ALL. SO IF SOMEBODY IS ON P1 ALL DAY, I’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’M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE TNC WOULD SAY. I JUST DON’T KNOW. >> ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS IS THAT YOU CAN BE AND P1 TIME ON MORE THAN ONE PLATFORM AT THE SAME TIME. SO A DRIVER CAN HAVE BOTH APPS ON. SO WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION? AND HOW WILL IT BE SHARED BETWEEN THEM? SOME YEARS AGO I HAD VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE. IT WAS PART OF A RESOURCE RESEARCH FOR COUNSEL. FROM LIMITED EXPERIENCE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU DON’T RESPOND TO RIDES THAT ARE PAYING DO YOUR WAY AND IF YOU TRY TO GAME THE SYSTEM, THEY WILL KICK YOU OFF. THAT IS PART OF THE DISCIPLINE ON THEIR SIDE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT MODEL IS. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BASIC INCENTIVE. >> THE CONCEPT IS AN ACCEPTANCE RATE. AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME MINIMUM THRESHOLD. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT. >> ACTUALLY, DR. NOBLE SAID WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. AND GETTING INTO THE RESEARCH PROJECT. >> IN TERMS OF THIS QUESTION, I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW DRIVERS COULD GAME IT. BECAUSE UBER, WHETHER UBER GIVES THE ACCURATE INFORMATION TO THE CITY OR NOT IS THE QUESTION. BUT AS FAR AS UBER ITSELF IS CONCERNED, THEY KNOW WHAT THE DRIVERS ARE DOING AND I DON’T SEE ELECTRONICALLY HOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR DRIVERS TO GAME THE SYSTEM.>> I THINK YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE WHOLE CONCEPT HERE IS THAT THE DRIVERS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET TO THE PASSENGER TO BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE ARE HOPING WITH THIS STUDY, BOTH WITH INDEPENDENT RESEARCH AND WE INVITE THE COMPANIES TO SHARE THE DATA, IS TO UNDERSTAND THE PHASES OF WORK. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL. THE WORKER STANDARDS, AND THIS IS THE FIRST ORDINANCE AND THEY ARE NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS ESSENTIALLY MANDATING THAT A MINIMUM WAGE AND REASONABLE EXPENSES OF DRIVERS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1st OF 2020. SO STARTING IMMEDIATELY AND PROBABLY GOING THROUGH EARLY SPRING OF NEXT YEAR, WE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT COMPENSATION STANDARD IS. IT WILL INCLUDE VERY EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INCLUDING A VERY ROBUST SURVEY OF DRIVERS TO GET DATA FROM DRIVERS FOR THEIR WAGE AND COMPENSATION AND UNDERSTANDING THIS WORK. AND WE WILL INVITE THE COMPANIES TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION. THEY HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND IT REALLY IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE WAY TO APPROACH THIS. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL BE DONE AND WE WILL BE SENDING DOWN AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE WHICH WILL SPECIFY THE MINIMUM COMPENSATION TO BE CONSIDERED. TO TALK ABOUT THE STUDY A LITTLE BIT, THE STUDY WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT NEW YORK CITY DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND IT WILL LOOK AT MINUTES AND MILES AND THE APPLICATION INCLUDING ALL THREE PHASES. IT WILL LOOK AT AVERAGE DRIVER EXPENSES WE TALKED ABOUT COMING ON MILEAGE EXPENSES AND BENEFITS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CORRELATION AND IMPACT OF THE MINIMUM WAGE AND BENEFITS AND DRIVER EARNINGS. ONE FEAR WE HAVE HEARD IS THE COMPANIES HAVE BASICALLY TOLD DRIVERS THAT IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, YOU WILL EARN LESS. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE FACTORS INTERPLAY WITH EACH OTHER. AND WE WILL CONDUCT ROBUST OUTREACH. >> . >> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA AND. >>. >> IF YOU ARE A CHECKER AT A GROCERY STORE AND YOU WERE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR YOUR NEXT CUSTOMER TO COME UP, YOU ARE STILL WAITING. I OFFER THAT AS A FRAME OF REFERENCE AS WE TALK ABOUT P1 TIMES AND HOW THAT MIGHT COMPLY WITH FOLKS. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE STUDY THAT IS BEING OFFERED FOR CONSIDERATION. A PREVIEW OF THE STUDY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE SAID THAT IT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE AND MEDIAN MILEAGE DRIVEN BY TNC DRIVERS AND THE TNC ENDORSED VEHICLE FOR PURPOSES PERSONAL. GIVEN THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE DRIVING CARS THEY PURCHASED WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, THIS IS THE OFFICE. THIS IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD. THEY MAY BE USING THEIR CAR FOR PERSONAL PURPOSES, TAKING KIDS TO SCHOOL AFTER THEY ARE DONE WORKING. ARE WE MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TIME THEY ARE ON THE, USING THEIR TIME FOR WORK PURPOSES VERSUS WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEIR PERSONAL TIME? I ASSUME THE ANSWER IS YES. OTHERWISE IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN INVASION OF DRIVER PRIVACY. >> I THINK THIS IS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IN THE INDUSTRY. THERE IS A WIDE DIVERSITY OF DRIVERS. SOME DO THIS ONE WEEKEND A MONTH. DRIVERS THAT DRIVE FULL-TIME. I THINK IT IS REALLY TO GET A MORE COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR CARS FOR THE BUSINESS PURPOSE, WHICH IS TO DRIVE FOR UBER AND LYFT AND UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIVE TO PERSONAL. SO IT ISN’T MEANT TO MAKE A POLICY JUDGMENT MORE TO GET A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT EXPENSES. >> DOES THE BUDGET AS TRANSMITTED TO COUNSEL INCLUDE FUNDING FOR THE STUDY? >> THE STUDY WILL BE CONDUCTED WITH EXISTING RESOURCES. >> THERE ARE EXISTING RESOURCES AND EXISTING REGULATORY WORK OF THE TAX INDUSTRY. >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> COUNCILMEMBER PLEASE. >> DO YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE ORGANIZE AND IT OR AN ORGANIZATION IN MIND TO LEAVE THE STUDY? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I SHOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE DETAIL ABOUT THE STUDY. THERE WILL BE TWO COMPONENTS. ONE IS THE DATA COMPONENT WHICH IS GOING OUT AND RANDOMLY SERVING DRIVERS SO THAT IT IS ACADEMICALLY RIGOROUS. SO WE ANTICIPATE A DIFFERENT FIRM WILL CONDUCT THE WORK. AND THE STUDY ITSELF, WE HAVE TO DO SOME WORK TO SCOPE IT AND BASED ON THE SCOPE, I WILL BE TRANSPARENT. IT IS A VERY NICH AREA OF WORK. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A SHORT LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE QUALIFIED AND HAVE THE CREDIBILITY TO DO THIS INDEPENDENT STUDY.>> THE SECOND COMPONENT IS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE AND IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FIRST OF ITS KIND DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN ORGANIZATION THAT WILL PROVIDE UBER AND LYFT DRIVER SUPPORT THROUGH IMPARTIAL ARBITRATION AND AN APPEALS PROCESS FOR RESOLVING CLAIMS. JUST A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. CURRENTLY, UBER AND LYFT ARE ABLE TO DEACTIVATE DRIVERS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. THE CURRENT PROCESS IS, IF A DRIVER APPEALS THE ARBITRATION, IT IS FAIRLY COMPLICATED BUT ALSO THEY GO THROUGH A PRIVATE ARBITRATION PROCESS. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. IT IS CREATING A NEW WORK WAY TO BE FREE OF UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION. AND THAT WILL BE DEFINED IN THE RULEMAKING. WE HAVE HEARD ANECDOTALLY, STORIES OF DRIVERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEACTIVATED BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER, GAVE THEM A POOR RATING AND THEY WERE THROWN OFF THE PLATFORM OVER THEY WERE IN A COLLISION WHICH WAS NOT THEIR FAULT BUT IT IS STILL AN ACCIDENT ON THE RECORD. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, DEACTIVATION REMOVES THE DRIVER’S ABILITY TO EARN A WAGE. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS WITH REPRESENTATION FOR THE DRIVER, SHOULD THEY NEED IT, TO BE ABLE TO APPEAL THESE UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION SPIRIT THERE WILL BE A NEUTRAL PROCESS WITH A NEUTRAL ARBITRATOR THAT WILL BE REPRESENTATIONS FROM THE COMPANY AS WELL AS THE DRIVERS WHO CAN REPRESENT THEMSELVES OR USE THE DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER. AND THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A FAIRLY TRANSPARENT NEUTRAL PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FOR DRIVERS TO BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE ANY DEACTIVATION’S THEY BELIEVE TO BE UNWARRANTED. THIS IS A FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY. I THINK A LOT OF THIS WILL BE TO FIND IN RULEMAKING. AND WE WILL INVITE PARTNERSHIP FROM THE DRIVERS AND THE COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO SHAPE THESE RULES. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT, COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. I AGREE THAT WE NEED THIS KIND OF PROTECTION. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT RULEMAKING. HOWEVER, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME UP FRONT IN THE LEGISLATION ITSELF. OR SOME ASPECT OF IT. SPECIFICALLY SOME CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND THIS REFLECTS WHAT WE HAVE HEARD A LOT FROM DRIVERS. NOT JUST RECENTLY BUT OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AND THAT IS, HOW WILL A CITY ENSURE AND HOW WILL THE LEGISLATURE ENSURE THAT THE ARBITRATION IS AS STRONG AS THE ARBITRATION CAUSED. I DON’T KNOW IF THIS BELONGS IN RULEMAKING. WHEN A DISPUTE GOES INTO ARBITRATION, THE ARBITRATOR MUST BE EMPOWERED TO MAKE A FINAL BINDING DECISION. WHICH IS HOW A UNION CONTRACT WOULD DEAL WITH IT. SO HOW WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED AND SECONDLY, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS INITIAL BUT IT IS FINE. I WANT TO FLAG THESE QUESTIONS. IN A SERIOUSLY. NOT TO SAY THAT, WE AGREE BUT THEN LET’S PUT IT IN RULEMAKING. THE OTHER ASPECT IS, AND IT IS RELATED TO WHAT I JUST SAID WHICH IS, HOW WILL THE LEGISLATION MAKE SURE THAT UBER AND LYFT WHICH, EVERYTHING YOU SAID I AGREE WITH IN TERMS OF THE OVERWHELMING POWER THEY HAVE, HOW WILL THE CITY ENSURE THAT THEY DON’T KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOST IN TERMS OF WHAT CONSTITUTES ACTIVATION IN THEIR EYES. SO WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE OF REASONS FOR WHICH UBER THINKS DEACTIVATION SHOULD HAPPEN AND THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR DRIVERS IN THE CORPORATION AND THE ARBITRATION PROCESS HAS A UNIFORMITY TO IT. >> I CAN SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS. ON THE BINDING NATURE, IT IS IN THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION AND ANY DECISION BY AN ARBITRATOR WOULD BE BINDING. IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT, HOW DO WE DEFINE UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION AND MAKE SURE THAT IS NOT A MOVING GOALPOST. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT IS NOT CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE LEGISLATION. WE BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAVE INPUT FROM DRIVERS OR FROM THE COMPANIES AS WELL TO DETERMINE A WORKABLE STANDARD. WE HAVE PROPOSED AT THIS POINT TO HAVE THAT DEFERRED TO A RULEMAKING PROCESS. >> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU NEED A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE DRIVERS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS FALLS. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. SO TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DEACTIVATION PROCESS BEING VOLUNTARY OR WHETHER OR NOT THE TNC DRIVERS HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE DEACTIVATION. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS CONSISTENCY IN THE LEGISLATION AND DOES THE RIGHT TO DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESS APPLIED TO BOTH WARRANTED AND UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION’S? THE SECOND QUESTION. I’M WONDERING WHO BEARS THE COST OF THE ARBITRATION. I KNOW IT IS USUALLY BOTH PARTIES OR ONE PARTY. THE LEGISLATION WE ARE LOOKING AT SAYS THAT THE WORKER IS ARE PRESENTED BY THE DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER AND SPLITS THE COST OF ARBITRATION IF THE WORKER IS SELF REPRESENTED. AND TNC BEARS ALL THE COST. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE INCENTIVES WOULD BE SO WE CAN GET MORE OF THE COMPANIES TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS? >> THE FIRST QUESTION WAS AROUND THE VOLUNTARY NATURE. THE CURRENT SYSTEM EFFECTIVELY IS THAT DRIVERS ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH TNC WHEN THEY SIGN-UP TO PROVIDE SERVICES. THOSE CONTRACTS HAVE A PRIVATE ARBITRATION CLAUSE. TO AVOID A CONFLICT WITH THOSE PROVISIONS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CREATED A PROCESS BY WHICH THE PARTIES CAN AGREE TO TAKE WHAT I WILL CALL THE CITY PROCESS, THE CITY RESOLUTION PROCESS. THAT IS A VOLUNTARY, BOTH PARTIES NEED TO AGREE. WE BELIEVE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE TO DO THAT. THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN RESOLVING ISSUES QUICKLY THE WAY DRIVERS DO. THIS PROVIDES ADDITIONAL CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROCESS IS RESOLVED. AND WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BECAUSE IT PROMISES TO BE LESS COSTLY TO THE TNC AS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT ARBITRATION PROCESS WHERE THEY BEAR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COST OF THE PRIVATE ARBITRATION PROCESS. AND SO THE SECOND QUESTION WAS — MY. >> I DID NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER ON THE FIRST ONE. I UNDERSTAND IT IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE DRIVER AND THE TNC. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY CAN GO EITHER WAY? THEY CAN USE THE CITY SANCTION PROCESS OR PROCEED WITH THE TNC SO THE DRIVER HAS THE CHOICE. IS THAT YOUR ANSWER? >> CORRECT. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE CREATING ONE CENTER TO GET CONSISTENCY. >> LET ME CLARIFY. WHAT IS THE DRIVE RESOLUTION CENTER DO AND WHAT DOES THE VENUE IN WHICH A DRIVER PURSUES A REMEDY? THE RESOLUTION CENTER CAN REPRESENT A DRIVER AT PRIVATE ARBITRATION OR THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS. THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. THE VENUE IN WHICH THEY PURSUE THE REMEDY IS THE WHERE THE TWO PATHS EXIST. AND IN ORDER TO PURSUE THE CITY PATH, THE PARTIES MUST AGREE TO PURSUE THAT. AND IT IS STRUCTURED IN THAT WAY TO AVOID ANY ISSUES RELATED TO THE EXISTING CONTRACTS THE DRIVERS HAVE. >> IF THE DRIVER SAYS, I WANT TO GO THE CITY PATH AND THE TNC SAYS NO, I DON’T WANT TO GO THE CITY PATH, WHAT HAPPENS? >> THEY CANNOT PROCEED DOWN THE CITY PATH AND IF THE DRIVER STILL WANTS TO PURSUE A REMEDY, THEY COULD PURSUE PRIVATE ARBITRATION. AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING REPRESENTATION THROUGH THE DRIVER RESOURCE CENTER. >> SO WAS THEIR CONSIDERATION AND PREPARING THE LEGISLATION TO JUST MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT THEY GO THE CITY PATH? >> THERE IS CONSIDERATION. WE THOUGHT THE BEST PATH GIVEN THE EXISTENCE OF THE CONTRACTS I MENTIONED, WAS TO MAKE IT A VOLUNTARY PROCESS. AS I MENTIONED, WE THINK THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE FOR BOTH PARTIES TO AGREE TO PURSUE THAT PATH. >> WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES? COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD. >> THE INCENTIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY THAT IT WILL BE A QUICKER PROCESS. THERE IS GREATER CLARITY. THE TNC ALSO HAS AN INTEREST IN RESOLVING THE ISSUES QUICKLY AND THERE IS A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE. PRIVATE ARBITRATION AS WE HAVE ESTIMATED COSTS BETWEEN 5- $10,000 FOR THE TNC UNDER THE CONTRACT. THEY BEAR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COST. IN THIS PROCESS, THE COST WOULD BE SPLIT. SO THE COST WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. IN ADDITION, THIS WOULD LIKELY CREATE A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS WHERE RESOLUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER ONE OR TWO DAY PERIOD. IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR MULTIPLE DRIVERS IN A SINGLE DAY. >> THAT WOULD BE MY OBJECTIVE. AFTER HAVING SPOKEN TO MANY DRIVERS, BOTH UBER AND LYFT THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OFF THE SYSTEM. IN ONE CASE, AN INDIVIDUAL TOLD ME THAT, IT WAS SOMETHING ANY OF US WOULD SAY, YOU CANNOT HAVE THIS BEHAVIOR IN THE BACKSEAT OF MY CAR. AND HE WAS PUT OFF FOR 14 DAYS. AND THIS WAS HIS SOLE FINANCIAL INCOME FOR HIS FAMILY. AND IT TOOK THAT LONG FOR HIM TO GET A WARM BODY TO TALK TO HIM AND REINSTATE HIM. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST AN OPTION AND MAYBE YOU TRIED TO GET IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE PARTIES WOULD AGREE TO. BUT AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE WAY HE DESCRIBED THE STORY. IT WAS LIKE 14 DAYS, WHICH IS A HALF MONTH WHERE HE HAD NO INCOME WHERE THEY RESOLVED IT AND SAID, YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU ARE BACK ON. BUT NO REIMBURSEMENT FOR HIM. SO I WOULD HOPE THE INCENTIVES ARE GOOD ENOUGH THAT THE COMPANIES WOULD SAY YES. >> WE WILL LET YOU BACK ON IN A MINUTE. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE PARAMETERS FOR SELECTING THE NONPROFIT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL LIKE I HAVE HEARD CONSISTENTLY THROUGH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WAS THE NEED FOR MORE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT. SPECIFICALLY COMPETENT ENGAGEMENT. IF YOU ALREADY DEFINED WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR THE RESOLUTION CENTER AND BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT THE OUTREACH. >> I DON’T THINK THERE IS A SINGLE SENTENCE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS. IT IS ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT THE DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE CULTURALLY COMPETENT EDUCATION SERVICES AND THE REPRESENTATION ALSO INCLUDES THAT COMPETENCY.>> AND WE WILL BE ISSUING A COMPETITIVE RFP FOR THIS PROCESS SO WHEN WE SCOPED THE RFP, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE CORE COMPONENTS WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE SELECT AN ORGANIZATION TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. >> MADAM CHAIR, I THINK THERE WERE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS YOU WERE GETTING TO. >> I THINK THE NEXT ONE WAS WHETHER THE DRIVER WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE WARRANTED AN UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION’S. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION STRIKE THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE THE ISSUE AT THESE ARBITRATIONS, WHETHER OR NOT THE DEACTIVATION WAS WARRANTED. THAT WOULD BE WHAT IS TRYING TO BE ESTABLISHED AT THE HEARINGS. DID THE COUNCILMEMBER HAVE ADDITIONAL? >> THE LAST QUESTION. ON, WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE? YOU SPOKE A LITTLE BIT TO IT. BUT THE TIMING, THE LESS COST, THOSE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS BUILT IN. >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. WE THINK THE COST OF THE ARBITRATION WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FOR BOTH PARTIES. FIRST OF ALL, IT WILL BE SPLIT. THE SPEED AT WHICH IT CAN BE HANDLED WOULD BE QUICKER. AND WE HOPE THERE WOULD BE A NUMBER OF ARBITRATORS THAT ARE VERSED IN THIS AND ABLE TO HANDLE THEM QUICKLY. THAT IS SORT OF THE CORE INCENTIVE AND ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM. >> I WANT TO SPEND A FEW MOMENTS DISCUSSING THE TAX AND INVESTMENT PROPOSAL. THIS WILL BE ITS OWN ORDINANCE. CURRENTLY, AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE, THE CITY CHARGES THE TNC, BASICALLY RIDESHARE, A 24 CENTS PER RIDE FEE WHICH GOES TOWARD REGULATING THE INDUSTRY AS WELL AS PROVIDING WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE TAXIS. THE PROPOSAL UNDER CONSIDERATION IS TO INCREASE THAT TO RESULT IN A TOTAL PER RIDE CHARGE OF 75 CENTS. THIS WILL CREATE REVENUE TO FUND THE FOLLOWING. THE DRIVER CENTER FUND AND THE COMPLETION OF THE CENTER CITY CONNECTOR STREETCAR IN ALLOWS THE CITY TO INVEST IN MORE THAN 500 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT HUBS. IN CONCERT, FAS IS WORKING TO REDUCE THE CURRENT FEE WHICH IS AT 14 CENTS. YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE SET DOWN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO REDUCE THAT FEE. AND I SHOULD FLAG THAT THIS TEXT COMPONENT WILL ONLY REACH úTHE THRESHOLD. SO ANY TNC COMPANY THAT PROVIDES MORE THAN A MILLION RIDES A QUARTER WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TAX. CURRENTLY THAT IS UBER AND LYFT. BUT IF THE MARKET CHANGES AND OTHER COMPANIES REACH THE THRESHOLD, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE TAX. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FEES WHICH EVERYONE PAYS CURRENTLY. SO I JUST WANT TO COMPARE WHY THE 75 CENTS, JUST SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF CONTEXT, THE 75 CENTS IS FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO OTHER SIMILAR SIZED MARKETS SAYING CHICAGO, WASHINGTON DC ALL HAVE COMPARABLE FEES. NEW YORK CITY HAS A $2.75 PER CHARGE, PER RIDE. IN TERMS OF WHY THE NUMBER WAS SET THAT WAY, IS WE WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MINIMUM WAGE REQUIREMENT IS GOING, HOW THAT IS GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE TAX. BY SETTING IT AT WHAT WE THINK IS A REASONABLE LEVEL, IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENSURING THAT DRIVERS CONTINUE TO RECEIVE MORE WAGES. I SHOULD ALSO FLAG THAT IN MARKETS WHERE THEY RAISE THE TAXES AND FEES, CHICAGO AND NEW YORK IN PARTICULAR, THEY STILL SAW AN INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP. AND CHICAGO, IT WAS 14% MORE AFTER THE TAX WENT INTO PLACE AND IN NEW YORK CITY, IT WAS 18% MORE. SO AS WE UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF, YOU PERHAPS HAVE SEEN SOME E-MAILS FROM THEM AND TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THE DATA PROVES OTHERWISE IN OTHER CITIES. SO QUICKLY, BY THE NUMBERS, THE FIRST 226 MILLION OF THIS FUND, AFTER ADMINISTERED OF HIS EXPENSES, WILL GO TOWARD THE FOLLOWING, 17.75 MILLION FOR WORKER PROTECTIONS. 56 MILLION TO FULLY FUND THE CITY CONNECTOR AND $52 MILLION FOR HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT. AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, WHEN WE FRONTLOAD THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVESTMENTS, THE PROPOSAL IS SEEKING TO INVEST THE REMAINING REVENUE FROM THE TAX INTO TRANSIT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA. >> ON SLIDE 17 BEFORE WE GET TO HOW THE FUNDING WILL BE ALLOCATED, CAN WE LOOK AT THE TAX ONE MORE TIME? SLIDE 17. IN THE 2020 BUDGET, DO WE SEE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE FEE? AND WHEN WILL WE BEGIN ANTICIPATING THE FUNDING COMING IN? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUBSEQUENT CHART WHERE YOU SHOWED THE COMPARISON BETWEEN SEATTLE AND OTHER CITIES, DO WE KNOW, DID THEY LAND ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT FIRST? OR DID THEY DO A PERCENTAGE? AND WHY DID WE DECIDE TO GO WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT VERSUS A PERCENTAGE? AND THEN YOU STARTED MENTIONING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES AND FOLKS THAT ARE USING RIDESHARE. I KNOW FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, WORKING WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW RIDESHARE IS HAVE HELPED HIM BE MORE MOILE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH RIDESHARE WHERE IF FOLKS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME TALKING TO THE BUS WALKING TO THE BUS, ARE THERE FEES FOR FOLKS WITH LIMITED MOBILITY. >> I THINK TWO FOLD. AS I MENTIONED, 10 CENTS OF THE 24 CENTS WE ALREADY CHARGE GOES TOWARD WHEEL TAX, ACCESSIBLE TAXIS. THE GOAL IS TO EXPAND THAT. CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY 50 AN OPERATION WHICH DOES NOT REFLECT THE NEED. WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THE ISSUE THE ACCELERATE THAT. T TO SECONDLY, I THINK WE THINK OF THAT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY AS INVESTMENTS. AND ALLOWING PEOPLE MORE OPTIONS. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT TAKE THE TNC BECAUSE IT IS OFFERING THE MOST CONVENIENT OPTION IN TERMS OF LIMITED ABILITY. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT A FIXED FEE VERSUS THE PERCENTAGE. WE CLEARLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAX THIS ACTIVITY THE STRUCTURE OF THAT TAX HOWEVER IS INFLUENCED BY THE TAXING AUTHORITY GRANTED TO US BY THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. WE CAN GIVE MORE DETAIL ON THAT BUT PERHAPS BETTER IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN. >> A QUICK QUESTION ON THE MATH. THE $126 MILLION, THAT IS FIVE YEARS? >> IT IS FIVE. HERE IS THE REALITY. IT IS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY PROTECTING THE REVENUE STREAM. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY. WE HAVE GOOD DATA ON THE NUMBER OF RIDES BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT REGULATORY STRUCTURE. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD IS THE INHERENT GROWTH IN THE BUSINESS. IT HAS BEEN GROWING VERY QUICKLY. HOW LONG CAN THAT GROWTH CONTINUE? WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION OF RELATIVELY MODEST GROWTH GOING FORWARD. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE HISTORIC PATTERN OF GROWTH IS. IT IS REALLY AN UNKNOWN SPACE. IN ADDITION, WHEN WE MOVED TO THE COMPENSATION MODEL AND WE IMPOSE A MINIMUM WAGE OF SOME FORM, THAT WILL INFLUENCE THE PRICE THAT WE BELIEVE USERS ARE CHARGED WHICH WILL HAVE SOME EFFECT ON THE QUANTITY. AND WE DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT EITHER. OUR BEST GUESS RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT IS IN THE FIVE AND A HALF, TO SIX YEAR RANGE. WE HAVE BEEN VAGUE ABOUT THAT. THERE IS UNCERTAINTY. WE HAVE MADE $125 MILLION REVENUE AND THE PRIORITIES WE HAVE FOR IT. >> MY QUICK MATH, IF THERE ARE 24 MILLION RIDES AND WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER 50 CENTS, THAT IS 12 MILLION OTHERS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 10 YEARS TO HIT THAT AMOUNT. SO YOU MUST BE ASSUMING SOME PRETTY GOOD GROWTH HERE. >> WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE UNDERLYING ESTIMATES. FOR THE FIRST YEAR, IT IS ABOUT A HALF YEAR. >> SO 20 INITIALLY WITHIN GROWING. AND THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH IT GROWS, TIME WILL TELL MORE THAN ANYTHING. >> MY POLICY QUESTION IS, YOU ARE USING AN EXAMPLE WORKED 40% OF THE TRIPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DURING RUSH HOUR, FROM A CONGESTION REDUCTION, THAT IS THE TIME WE CARE THE MOST ABOUT. WHY CHOOSE A FLAT RATE AS OPPOSED TO A VARIABLE-RATE THAT COULD HAVE AN ADDED BENEFIT OF INFLUENCING MODE SHIFTS DURING RUSH HOUR? >> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I WANT TO START WITH SAYING THAT THE MAYOR IS COMMITTED TO BROAD-BASED COMMISSION PRICING IN THE CITY. AS WE LOOKED AT THE COMPLEXITY OF DOING A SURCHARGE DURING CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME, GEO- FENCING, WHERE THERE WAS POTENTIAL AND YOU WOULD PICK UP ACROSS THE STREET TO AVOID THE CHARGE, JUST GIVEN THE LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THE DATA AND HOW WE GET ORIGIN DESTINATION ZIP CODES AND WE GET THEM IN AGGREGATE. IT FELT LIKE, IN TERMS OF A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE REALITY IS HALF OF THOSE RIDES, NO MATTER THE TIME OF THE DAY THEY ARE HAPPENING, ARE HAPPENING IN THAT CORE. ULTIMATELY IT CAME DOWN TO A POLICY DECISION AND NO MATTER WHETHER THEY ARE IN SOUTH LAKE UNION OR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, THEY HAVE THE IMPACT ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO IT CAME DOWN TO THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA AND THE COMPLEXITY OF DOING THAT TYPE OF SURCHARGE DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY. WE ENDED UP WITH A FLAT RATE AS A MODEL. >> AS A FOLLOW-UP TO COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN’S QUESTION, I WOULD KNOW, LOVE TO KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE THE DATA, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DOWNTOWN CAR TRIPS THAT ARE TNC TRIPS ARE DURING THE PEAK HOURS. >> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. WE DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE TIMESTAMPS. WE ONLY GET ORIGIN DESTINATION BY QUARTER. WE DON’T REALLY HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO WINDOWS RIDES ARE HAPPENING. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE. >> THANK YOU CHAIR BAGSHAW. I APOLOGIZE TO THE DRIVERS THAT I WON’T BE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING. I QUICKLY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. I DON’T IMAGINE AND IF YOU ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THAT IS FANTASTIC. I WILL BE EAGER TO HEAR. BUT IT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON. THAT RELATES TO THE QUESTION OF, THE ISSUE OF HOW MANY TAXICAB DRIVERS BASICALLY, THEIR LIVES WERE WIPED OUT WHEN UBER AND LYFT CAME TO TOWN AND YOU ALLUDED TO THAT BECAUSE MANY OF THEM, AND DISPROPORTIONATELY EAST AFRICAN AND SOUTH ASIAN ORIGIN, ACQUIRED A LOT OF DEBT. AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE MARKET IS FLOODED WITH UBER AND LYFT. AND THEN MANY OF THOSE DRIVERS WENT INTO DEBT GETTING THE MEDALLION IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY BECAME UBER DRIVERS. AND IT BECAME A DOWNWARD SPIRAL. AND THEN THE NEED FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION AND ALL OF THAT. THAT OBVIOUSLY RELATES TO THE DESPERATION THE FAMILIES ARE FEELING BECAUSE OF HAVING GONE INTO DEBT. AND NOW FOR NOTHING AT ALL. MY QUESTION IS, IN THE FAIR SHARE PROGRAM THAT THE MAYOR’S OFFICE IS DEVELOPING WITH OTHER ENTITIES, HAS THERE BEEN SOME TALK TO HOW UBER AND LYFT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE DEBT THAT SO MANY DRIVERS ARE INCURRING AND IS THERE ANY CONDUIT TO ADDRESS THAT IN SOME WAY. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ENSURING WAGES AND SO ON. BUT THIS IS A BIG PART OF WHAT THE DRIVER POPULATION HAS SUFFERED FROM. >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. TAXIS ARE REGULATED. WE REGULATE TAXIS AND PARTNERSHIP WITH KING COUNTY AND THERE IS A PARALLEL EFFORT HAPPENING WITH KING COUNTY TO SEEK TO MODERNIZE AND CREATE A NEW SET OF, A NEW STRUCTURE FOR TAXIS THAT ALLOW THEM TO BE MORE COMPETITIE. ONE THING WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS A SMART METER PILOT. ONE THING WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE TAXI INDUSTRY IS THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH UBER AND LYFT AS HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE DYNAMIC PRICING SO WHEN DEMAND IS LOW, YOU HAVE LOWER RATES BUT WHEN DEMAND IS HIGH, YOU CAN ADJUST THE OTHER THING. AND THEN WE HEARD OF MODERNIZING THE METER TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WORK IS HAPPENING NOW. AND MAYOR DURKIN REMAINS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND LOOKING AT THE LEGACY INDUSTRY AND WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP LIFT UP DRIVERS AND TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORTTHAT INDUSTRY. >> I WANT TO SPEND JUST A QUICK MOMENT. I DON’T WANT TO RUN OUT OF TIME. >> COUNCILMEMBER PACHECO HAS A QUESTION. >> IN YOUR COMPARISON OF OTHER CITIES, DID ANY OTHER CITIES DO ADDITIONAL FEES FOR RIDES TO AND FROM THE DOWNTOWN CORE? >> THE CITY OF CHICAGO HAS TWO LOCATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE A 5-DOLLAR FEE FOR PICKUP. THE NAVY PIER IS ONE OF THEM. I CANNOT REMEMBER THE SECOND LOCATION. I BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY CITY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS A GEO- FENCED AREA WITH AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE BIG CITY OF NEW YORK, THE $2.75 IN A GEO- FENCED AREA OR ANY PARTICULAR SPACE IN MANHATTAN ONLY. AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT AIRPORTS WITH MANY MINUTES A POLITIES ADD-ON AN EXTRA FEE INCLUDING SEATAC. >> IF I’M HEARING CORRECTLY, IT IS A POLICY DECISION TO NOT DO ANY GEO- FENCING FOR THE DOWNTOWN QUARTER. NOT BECAUSE WE DIDN’T WANT TO BUT IN THE PROPOSAL. >> TO DO A FEE FOR A DOWNTOWN RIDE TO AND FROM. IF I’M HEARING CORRECTLY. YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU ARE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE DON’T GET THE DATA AND IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT AND IT IS TRICKY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE BUT EVEN THOUGH IT IS DIFFICULT, WE CHOSE NOT TO DO IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS. >> BECAUSE OF LAWS LOCALLY IN THE STATE, WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT INSIGHT AS TO THESE SORT OF THINGS FOR OTHER CITIES. SO IT IS NOT EXACTLY A COMPARISON AND TERMS OF THE EASE OF HOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT INITIALLY. >> THE DATA IS VERY LIMITED. AND DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, WE ARE UNABLE TO GET MORE RICH DATA THAT COULD ALLOW FOR A MORE SOPHISTICATED POLICY AROUND THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND. I ATTENDED A LECTURE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON AND I ASKED THE RANDOM QUESTION ON IF THERE WAS ANY CITY THAT DOES THIS WELL IN TERMS OF GETTING THE DATA FROM THESE COMPANIES AND EVERYBODY THERE THAT WAS A NATIONAL EXPERT WAS LIKE, NO. I GET IT. IT IS TRICKY. IT IS DIFFICULT. IT IS HARD. I’M TRYING TO BE MORE INQUISITIVE ABOUT WHY WE MADE THE DECISIONS WE MADE IN THE PROPOSAL. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> I TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE STREETCAR. AS A REMINDER, THIS WILL COMPLETE THE SYSTEM. AND I TALKED ABOUT HALF OF THE RIDES BEING IN ZIP CODES IN CAPITOL HILL, SOUTH LAKE UNION AND DOWNTOWN. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE STREETCAR NETWORK ALSO CONNECTS THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT CREATES ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. WE ALSO KNOW THAT MANY OF THE UBER AND LYFT TRIPS ARE SHORT TRIPS THAT COULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN REPLACED BY TRANSIT IF WE HAD GOOD QUALITY TRANSIT OPTIONS. IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING COMPONENT, A REMINDER THAT IT IS $52 MILLION. THE PROPOSAL IS TO BUILD ABOUT 500 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING . WE ARE PROPOSING TO TARGET THESE UNITS TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES MAKING BETWEEN 15-$25 AN HOUR. JUST IN TERMS OF FRAME OF REFERENCE. MANY OF THESE ARE DRIVERS THEMSELVES. BUT ALSO FOLKS WHO ARE NURSING ASSISTANTS, RETAIL WORKERS, HOTEL WORKERS, RESTAURANT WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN PRICED OUT OF THE CITY. WE DO A LOT IN THE SPACE OF 0- 30%. THIS IS IN THE 40-60% RANGE AND IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING HOUSING INVESTMENTS. >> DO WE ASSUME THIS WILL BE ONGOING? SO IT IS NOT JUST ONE TIME FUNDING? LET’S ASSUME THE TAX REMAINS FOR FIVE YEARS. >> THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE IT IS DEDICATED. >> THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO, IN THE FIRST 5-6 YEARS, ESSENTIALLY SORT OF A SURGE, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT IN HOUSING. IT IS ANTICIPATED IN THE OUT YEARS OF THE TAX THAT THE INVESTMENTS WILL FOCUS ON OPERATING OF HOUSING UNITS AND ALSO A BULK OF THESE INVESTMENTS IN TRANSPORTATION. SO BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN AND TRANSIT INVESTMENTS. >> AND I AM COUNSELING CHANNELING COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 30-40% AMI. THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. >> I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE TIMELINE. THE ORDINANCES ARE DOWN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE WILL BEGIN THE INDEPENDENT STUDY WORK IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. WE ANTICIPATE WE WILL GO THROUGH EARLY SPRING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE TO CODIFY AND MAKE REAL THAT NUMBER. TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE AND REASONABLE EXPENSES WITH THE IDEA THAT THE MINIMUM COMPENSATION WOULD GO INTO EFFECT JULY 1st, 2020. WE ALSO WILL BEGIN COLLECTING THE TAX JULY 1st OF 2020. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE FOUR ORDINANCES AND ONE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO SEND DOWN. AND I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS ALL GOING TO GO THROUGH BUDGET OR WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO BREAK THAT INTO TWO PIECES. SO WE WILL HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND FOR SURE, WE WANT THIS TO BE VOTED ON BEFORE DECEMBER 16th. WE KNOW THAT FOR SURE. >> I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT GO MORE INTO THE DETAILS AND WE HAVE TIME FOR. I KNOW WE HAVE A PROCESS OF THE TURNAROUND. SO READING THE AUDIENCE, IF IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO SEND THOSE QUESTIONS OUT AND GET THOSE DETAILS, I’M HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO COME. >> THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, THE RIDE TEXT GOES INTO EFFECT IN JULY OF 2020. I THINK THEY ARE COLLECTING QUARTERLY WHICH MEANS THE FIRST SET OF REVENUE FROM THIS COMES IN LATE 2020. IF THAT IS CORRECT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION CENTER NEXT JULY WITHOUT THIS REVENUE? DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO FRONTLOAD SOME EXISTING FUNDING AND BACKFILL IT WITH A NEW TAX COMING IN? >> IF THE TAX IS APPROVED AND YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT WILL BE OF LIMITED ON JULY 1st, WE DON’T HAVE A CASH FLOW PROBLEMS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND FROM GENERAL RESOURCES, KNOWING THAT THE REVENUE WILL START TO FLOW ON JULY 1st AGAIN. ASSUMING THERE ARE NO OTHER HURDLES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION. >> IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET SOMEHOW? OR WOULD WE NEED TO REFLECT THAT IN THE 2020? >> TOTALLY FAIR QUESTION. THE REVENUE, WE HAVE A REVENUE FORECAST FOR 2020 FOR THIS PARTICULAR TAX. ROUGHLY $9.5 MILLION. THAT IS SHOWN IN THE BUDGET JUST AS WE HAVE A PREDICTION FOR THE SALES TAX AND THE PROPERTY TAX. THE FUNDING STRATEGY REFLECTS SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS TO GET SPENT IN 2020. SO ONLY A FRACTION OF THAT TO GET US SET UP AND MOVING TOWARD THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE OTHER RESOURCES AVAILABLE BY SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. WE WILL HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE REVENUE STREAM LOOKS LIKE AND AS WE DEVELOP A BUDGET FOR 21 AND 22, MORE SOLID PROJECTIONS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WE BRING TO THE BUDGET, WE WILL HAVE ONLY SEEN A COUPLE MONTHS WORTH OF DATA AND AS HE PROCESSED THE BUDGET, WE WILL GET A COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF DATA ASSUMING WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED AT THAT POINT. >> WE ARE WINDING DOWN NOW. ON THE OPTIONS, WE NEED OPEN DIALOGUE. PERHAPS WE TAKE THREE PIECES AND KEEP IT AT BUDGET AND LOOK AT THE TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE FOR TWO PIECES. I HAVE A PREFERENCE TO KEEP IT ALL ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I WILL EXPLAIN WHY. AT THIS POINT. I COULD BE CONVINCED OTHERWISE. AT THIS POINT, I SEE ALL FIVE PIECES WORKING TOGETHER AND I UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE POLICY DISCUSSIONS. WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME IS TO TALK TO THE CONSTITUENTS. WHAT I’M TRYING TO ORGANIZE ARE MEETINGS WITH MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. I DON’T FIND IT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL TO HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING A LOT OF THEM ARE SAYING THE SAME THING. IT IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME. I’M TRYING TO BACK CHANNEL THE MEETINGS. MY PREFERENCE, THIS CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE. AND I THINK THE MAYOR, AS I SAID AT A PRESS CONFERENCE, HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE AND HER TEAM CAST THE NET OUT THERE AND GOT AS MANY OPINIONS AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE PREVENTED — PRESENTED US WITH THE WELL THOUGHT OUT PROPOSAL. I WANTED TO KEEP THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT OPTION TWO. I’M TALKING TO COUNCILMEMBER O’BRIEN ABOUT THAT AS WELL. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS UP HERE? >> THERE ARE SO MANY. >> COUNCILMEMBER HARRELL COME ON OPTION TWO, DID YOU JUST OUTLINE A SCHEDULE FOR THE GOVERNANCE AND TECHNOLOGY? >> YOU ARE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION. YOU ARE TALKING. >> WE WERE DOING MATH. >> HE SAYS HE WANTS TO KEEP IT AND BUDGET COMMITTEE. >> LET ME EXPLAIN. WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT WHAT I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MEET WITH A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS. A LOT OF THEM. AND I DON’T FIND THAT TWO MINUTE TESTIMONY EFFECTIVE. I WOULD LOVE TO SCHEDULE SOME MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THEM IN THE SAME ROOM. AT LEAST THE REPRESENTATIVE GROUPS THAT HAVE A LOT OF BACK CHANNEL CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE THOSE WITH THEM ON THEIR CONCERNS AND KEEP IT ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND KEEP THE WHOLE PACKAGE TOGETHER. THIS IS HUGE. A HUGE CHANGE TO THE LANDSCAPE. >> THAT HELPS ME BECAUSE WITH THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS I HAVE, I WAS THINKING, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THOSE AT THE COMMITTEE. WE WILL COPY THE COUNCIL COLLEAGUES OF FOLKS KNOW THE TYPES OF DETAILS WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND THEN RECOGNIZING THE CONVERSATION, WE WILL COME BACK TO EITHER THE GROUP YOU ARE CONVENING OR TO THIS DISCUSSION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR PRESENTING THIS RIGHT DURING THE BUDGET. BUT IT DOES RAISE A LOT OF ISSUES. WE JUST HAVE TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND GET THROUGH IT. I DON’T THINK IT WILL BE A BIG DEAL. BUT MY PREFERENCE IS TO KEEP IT HERE. A LOT OF CONVERSATION TO BE HAD. >> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY THE PANEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU FOR COMING. IT IS A GREAT INTRODUCTION. AND ALL OF YOU THAT STAYED WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WE LOVE TO HAVE YOU HERE. WE HAVE ABOUT 21 SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO HAVING A PUBLIC COMMENT TOMORROW NIGHT STARTING AT 5:30. EVERYBODY THERE WILL GET TWO MINUTES. IF YOU PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT, THAT IS GREAT. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW, I AM GOING TO INVITE JOSHUA WELCHER, CHRIS VAN DYKE AND MICHAEL WOLF TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO. >>. >> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. >> HERE IS WHAT I JUST SAID TO CHAIR BAGSHAW PUBLICLY. THAT WE LOST A GREAT MAJORITY OF FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR. WHAT I ASKED IS, WE HAVE THE HEARING TOMORROW. IF SOME OF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW, THAT IS FINE. BUT IF WE CAN START OFF WITH THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF BODIES HERE. >> FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE NOT TO SPEAK NOW, YOU DON’T LOSE YOUR CUTE. WE WILL START WITH THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING TOMORROW. AND THEN GO THROUGH THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT COME FOR THE OTHER BUDGET ITEMS. SO IF YOU WANT TO PASS TODAY AND BE FIRST IN LINE TOMORROW. AND WE HAVE MORE THAN THREE, FOUR. THREE AND A HALF. >> SHE COUNTS AS ONE. >> JUST GIVING YOU THAT OPTION. SO IS THAT CLEAR WHAT I’M SUGGESTING? YOU CAN SPEAK NOW BUT YOU WILL BE IN THE QUEUE TOMORROW FOR HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW, WE WILL KEEP YOU IN THE QUEUE AND START OFF WITH YOU TOMORROW. >> TOMORROW IT IS 5:30 HERE. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAY. AND I’M TRYING TO HAVE THIS TNC DURING THE BUDGET AND I WANT AS MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HEAR AS POSSIBLE. IF THEY DO LISTEN TO THE TAPES IS IDEAL WHEN THEY ARE NOT HERE BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFECTIVE IF THEY ARE HERE TOMORROW. I’M SORRY. I COULD NOT HEAR YOU. >> I WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT WE HAVE 21 PEOPLE. MAYBE 23, 24 WE WILL KEEP THE SHEETS FOR TOMORROW. COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW WILL CHAIR TOMORROW. >> LET’S GET STARTED. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW, PLEASE DO. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL IS SAYING, WE WILL KEEP YOU AT THE TOP OF THE QUEUE. VERY GOOD. JOSHUA, CHRIS AND MICHAEL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL CHAIR BAGSHAW AND PRESIDENT HARRELL AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOSHUA WELCHER FROM TEAMSTERS LOCAL 117. AND I WON’T TAKE THE FULL TWO MINUTES IN THE INTEREST OF TIME BUT SIMPLY TO COMMEND THAT DRIVERS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT FOR THREE PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF FAIR PAY, DUE PROCESS AROUND UNFAIR DEACTIVATION’S AND HAVING A VOICE. WE COMMEND THIS FAIR SHARE PROPOSAL AS A STEP FORWARD IN ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AS WELL AS ADDRESSING COMMUNITY INVESTMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS UP, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF BUDGET. WE KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD ON A LOT OF THINGS. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR THE DRIVING COMMUNITY AND WE APPRECIATE IT. >> CHRIS, MICHAEL AND KATY. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I’M CHRIS VAN DYKE. I HAVE BEEN THE PRIMARY STATE LOBBYIST FOR THE TAXICAB INDUSTRY FOR 12 YEARS. I WANT TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION FOR THE TEAMSTERS ON 17 AND THE GREAT WORK AND ADVOCACY THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS. I’M SPEAKING TONIGHT SIMPLY úBECAUSE I HAVE SENT YOU EACH A E-MAIL OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS ABOUT THIS. I’VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR’S OFFICE. WE IN THE TAXI INDUSTRY HAVE GOTTEN NO FEEDBACK. NO COMMENTS BACK. SO I APPRECIATE THE STAFF REACHING BACK TO 2014 IN THE CONTEXT. WE PREDICTED IN 2014 THAT IF YOU OPENED UP TO UNLIMITED RIDESHARE, IT WOULD DECIMATE THE TAXI INDUSTRIES. WHICH IT HAS. WE PREDICTED IN 2015, 2016 WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BILL THAT IT WOULD NEVER SEE THE OUTSIDE OF THE COURTROOM. IT HAS NOT. WE PREDICTED WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE INDUSTRY TODAY AND OUR FRUSTRATION AND I DON’T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW. YOU HAVE A TOOL IN THE BOOKS THAT CAN ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM ITH NOTHING MORE THAN A VOTE. AND IT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE IN FOUR WEEKS, FIVE WEEKS OR SIX WEEKS. YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER RCW46.72.150 TO SET THE RATE FOR FOR HIRE VEHICLES. FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO IT. YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO IT FOR POLITICAL REASONS. YOU CAN SET THE RATE AT $1.75 A MILE AND WAIT TIME. EVERYBODY WILL MAKE MONEY. TAXI DRIVERS DO NOT DRIVE AND CANNOT MAKE MONEY NOW BECAUSE CORPORATE UBER SETS A PRICE UNDER $1.35 A MILE. TAXI DRIVERS ARE MANDATED BY YOU AT $2.60 A MILE. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. THIS DOES NOT TAKE THE MOST AMAZING GOLDBERG POLITICAL CONTRAPTION I HAVE SEEN IN 50 YEARS OF DOING POLITICS. THIS SIMPLY MEANS YOU HAVE TO STEP UP AND SET MINIMUM RATE FOR FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU DID NOT WANT TO DO IT. >> I HAVE GONE TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WITH INITIATIVES. THIS IS NOT SUBJECT TO INITIATIVE. >> THANK YOU, CHRIS. >> THANK YOU. SORRY TO GET PASSIONATE. MICHAEL. THANK YOU. >> THE SAVINGS HAS BEEN THROWN OUT THE WINDOW BY THE CITY OF SEATTLE. >> THANK YOU. MICHAEL, KATY. MICHAEL WOLFF. I WOULD LIKE TO RELATE TO YOU TODAY IN BOTH AREAS OF SUPPORT AND CONCERN OUR MEMBERS HAVE. AND THE IMPACTS IT COULD HAVE ON DRIVERS AND OTHER POLICY. FOR SOME CONTEXT OUR MEMBERS WOULD SUPPORT A PLAN THAT WOULD FOCUS ON DRIVERS INCLUDING AN INDUSTRY-LEADING DRIVER MINIMUM EARNINGS GUARANTEE OF $27.50 PAID FOR BY COMPANIES. CREATION OF AN INDEPENDENT DRIVERS ASSOCIATION SELECTED BY A VOTE OF ALL DRIVERS AFTER AN OPEN FAIR AND UNBIASED APPLICATION PROCESS. IF THAT’S US, GREAT. IF IT’S THE TEAMSTERS THAT’S GREAT IF LONG IS OPEN, FEAR AND A VOTE OF ALL DRIVERS. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD SUPPORT A DISCIPLINARY DEACTIVATION REVIEW PANEL RUN BY THAT ASSOCIATION OF DRIVERS. WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE FEE CHARGE PER RIDE BY $0.51. IN A REPORT ISSUED BY SOLIS FINANCIAL IT DOES SHOW AN INCREASE OF THIS AMOUNT WOULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF EARNINGS FOR DRIVERS, OVER $12 MILLION PER YEAR. THIS REPORT DID ACCOUNT FOR INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP, IT DID ACCOUNT FOR PRICE CHANGES, IT DID ACCOUNT FOR PRICE ELASTICITY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THESE TYPES OF REPORTS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR, WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD HARM DRIVERS. THE TAX AMOUNT OF $0.51 IS NOT NEEDED TO FUND THE DRIVER PROTECTIONS PROPOSED. A NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT OF $0.05 WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ACHIEVE THESE POLICY GOALS. ADDITIONALLY, LOOKING AT THIS, MIKE MAKE ONGOING EFFORTS AT THE STATE LEVEL TO SECURE A STATEWIDE PORTAL BENEFIT SYSTEM FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS A CALL ALL INJURIES DUE TO THE NEED FOR THE STATE TO CHANGE TO CHARGE A FEE TO MANAGE SUPPORTABLE BENEFIT SYSTEM. >>COUNCIL MEMBER, A QUESTION. >>I READ YOUR EMAIL AND THE FIRST IDEA YOU HAD I KNOW YOU HAVE SEVERAL POINTS. >>IT’S BASICALLY DONE. >>THE ASSOCIATION, THE DRIVER ASSOCIATION YOU MENTIONED. WHY DOES THE CITY — WHY SHOULD THE CITY MANDATE THAT? WHAT’S THAT TO STOP THAT? CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE ORGANIZATION AGAIN AND WHY THE DAY NEED THE CITY TO SANCTION THAT? >>I WOULD THINK THE DRIVERS ASSOCIATION WOULD LOOK LIKE THEY PROPOSE DRIVER RESOURCE CENTER. MY CONCERN IS SORT OF PAST EXPERIENCE, THAT THE RULEMAKING PROCESS WILL RESULT IN THE SELECTION PROCESS THAT WOULD BIAS TOWARDS ANY ONE PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DRIVERS VOICES ARE HEARD AND IT’S THE DRIVERS THAT ARE SELECTING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THEM, THROUGH A FAIR, OPEN PROCESS. THAT’S IT. THAT’S ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR. WE KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR DRIVERS ASSOCIATION AT THIS POINT WE UNDERSTAND UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION’S HAPPEN. I HAD A MEETING WITH A MEMBER OF THE SOMALI COMMUNITY LAST WEEK WHERE A WRITER DECIDED HE WOULD QUOTE ACCORDING TO MY DRIVER, QUOTE GET YOU DEACTIVATED BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT TO MAKE AN EXTRA STOP ON THAT RIDE. >>WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. >>IN SHORT, OPTION TWO, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ACTUALLY SPLIT OF THE TAX ON THE DRIVER PROTECTIONS.>>THANK YOU. KATY, KEIKO AND CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS?>>THAT IS MOHAMMED IS THE LAST NAME. WHOSE LAST NAME IS THAT? MOHAMMED IS THE LAST NAME. MAYBE LEFT. NUMBER SIX.>>THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUDGET SHARE I’D LIKE TO DEFER MY TIME TO TOMORROW. I DO WANT TO — >>YOU’VE GOT A PIECE OF THE APPLE. >>THE POINT I WANT TO PROVIDE A STRAIGHTFORWARD IS NOT INFECT THE REAL UNION, IT’S A COMPANY FUNDED UNION THAT IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY LABOR ORGANIZATIONS. >>OKAY, WE WILL STILL GIVE YOU TOMORROW KATY.>>[ APPLAUSE ]>> KEIKO IN THE NAME THAT IS UNREADABLE NUMBER SIX, WE WILL SAY IT’S COME OUT MOHAMMED AND THEN ANOTHER ONE, [ INDISCERNIBLE ]. PLEASE. >>I’D LIKE TO DEFER MY TIME BUT CAN I CLARIFY. CAN I ASK FOR MY TIME TO GROUP? >>I’M GETTING IN SO MUCH TROUBLE. ONE SENTENCE. >>WHO’S YOUR STARTER CATERING — KATY? WHO IS YOUR STARTER? >>SHE WANTS TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. >>AND SPEAK TOMORROW, I’M SORRY CHAIR. I’VE NEVER TRIED WHAT WE WERE SUGGESTING. I WAS HAVING SOME FUN WITH IT. I THINK IT’S FINE. >>ONE SENTENCE. THAT’S ALL YOU GOT. ONE SENTENCE. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST TOMORROW NIGHT.>>THREE SENTENCES. GO AHEAD. TOMORROW, — OKAY. WE CAN’T WAIT.>>IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE TU M A T?>>LAST NAME MOHAMMED? NO? YES. >>OKAY. THE NEXT IS BE A.M. OH U.S. AS A. >>IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TODAY? OKAY. THAT DIDN’T WORK. >>ABDUL YOUSEF. IT’S NICE TO SEE YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE MOHAMMED MOHAMMED AND THEN AHMED MOVEMENT. >>YES. I AM.>>IS ABDUL HERE? BUT NICE TO SEE YOU. AND THEN MOHAMMED MOHAMMED. AND YOU ARE THREE. OKAY, PLEASE NICE TO SEE YOU.>> GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. LADIES, MOSTLY IN COUNCILMAN. MY NAME IS ABDUL I’M FROM EAST SIDE AND THE EAST AFRICAN COMMUNITY. THE DEBATE THAT WAS GOING ON EARLIER IS TOTALLY SOMETHING EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PUTTING ON A SHOW. THE REALITY OF THE BILL IN FRONT OF YOU HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED FULLY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHT IS THE FACT THAT OF THE $0.51 THAT’S BEEN PROPOSED, $0.07 WILL GO TOWARDS DRIVING SOLUTIONS. THE $0.44 WILL GO TOWARD CITY GENERAL PROGRAMS. MAYOR, INDICATED THAT RETAIL WORKERS, RESTAURANT WORKERS AND THEIR DEPARTMENTS WILL BE ON OTHER STREET HEARTS. WHY IS THIS INDUSTRY, WHICH IS MATURELY MINORITY IS SELECTING TO DO THE WORK OF EVERY CITY, AND INDIVIDUAL SHOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS. WHY DO WE HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS AND OURSELVES TO TAKE THE BURDEN OF SELF — SOLVING THE CITYWIDE PROBLEMS? I SEE THERE’S A DISCRIMINATORY AND I WANT THIS BILL THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TO ONLY REFLECT THE INTERESTS OF THE INDUSTRY. IF IT’S TO BE FOR THE CITYWIDE, WE WANT THAT — I WANT TO SHARE IT’S CALLED FAIR RIDE BUT WE WANT OUR SHARE OF OUR INDUSTRY FOR THE GENERAL CITYWIDE PROBLEMS TO BE ADDRESSED. THIS IS A NEW ISSUE TO US. OR COMMUNITY IS NOT WELL INFORMED. ALL OF OUR DRIVERS ON THEIR BACKS THEY WILL HELP THE CITYWIDE PROBLEMS, WHEN ALL THE OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE NOT HELPING AND BEING PARTICIPATING. I WELCOME THE IDEA OF THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS MEETINGS, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS IT FURTHER LINK AND PARTICULARLY [ INDISCERNIBLE ] WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL ISSUES. WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONVENE AND HEAR FROM US, TWO MINUTES ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH. >>THANK YOU. MOHAMMED MOHAMMED.>>I AM NOT MOHAMMED>>WHAT IS YOUR NAME? BUT [ INDISCERNIBLE ]>>I THINK WE HAD A MOHAMMED MOHAMMED. PLEASE COME UP. OKAY, TOMORROW. I THINK YOU ARE ON. >>YES, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS [ INDISCERNIBLE ] ON THE FOUNDER OF SEATTLE RIDESHARE DRIVERS ASSOCIATION. WE FOUND OF THIS ASSOCIATION IN 2013. 700 DRIVERS CAME TOGETHER AND FOUND OF THIS ASSOCIATION. THERE WAS A STRIKE AND WE WERE STRIKING AGAIN AS UBER BUT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. MOST OF US ARE DRIVERS AND WE DON’T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME, LIKE TODAY. WE CANNOT SIT FOR SIX AND SEVEN HOURS AND TALK. ONE THING WE ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT IF MONEY IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED ON BEHALF OF DRIVERS, TAX MONEY, I THINK THIS MONEY SHOULD GO TOWARD HELPING THE DRIVERS. WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS. WE’VE COLLECTED A LOT OF SIGNATURES FROM DRIVERS. WE WANT TO TALK TO DIFFERENT MEMBERS AND EXPLAIN HOW OUR IDEAS WILL BE BENEFICIAL. ONE OF OUR IDEAS IS THAT WE ARE THINKING OF THE WELL-BEING OF THE DRIVERS, MEANING THAT WE HAVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS AS DRIVERS. DIAMOND DRIVER FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, MADE MORE THAN 11,000 TRIPS ON UBER. THIS IS MY FULL-TIME JOB. I’M DOING IT TODAY. I — THIS IS MY THIRD PRIUS THAT I’VE USED. WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER EXPLAINED WAS A LOT OF DRIVERS, WILL FORMER CAPTURE — CAB DRIVERS HAVE LOST MONEY ON THE MEDALLIONS, HAVE ON DEBT AND ON TOP OF THAT WE ARE DEEP INTO POVERTY. A LOT OF SITUATIONS ARE GOING ON WITH OUR LIVES. BESIDE THE ISSUES OF THE DEACTIVATION AND RAISING MONEY, YOU ALSO HAVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WE WANT TO TALK WITH EACH OF YOU IN YOUR OFFICES AND EXPLAIN OUR PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU FOR COMING. ERIC PALMER, MICHAEL ADAMS AND THEN MR. SAEED. WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME. ARE YOU ERIC? >>VERY NICE. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >>MY NAME IS ERIC PALMER. I ORIGINALLY CREATED THE IDA WITH A GROUP OF DRIVERS IN SEATTLE IN ORDER TO CREATE BENEFITS FOR DRIVERS. WE ALSO CREATED THE UBER AND LYFT BREAK ROOM WHICH IS ALL OVER LYFT DRIVERS ONLY. úWE GET THE FEEDBACK FROM A LOT OF DRIVERS AND WE KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON. I’M A SINGLE FATHER. I’M HANDICAPPED. I HAVE TO RAISE MY FAMILY ON MY OWN. WITH EVERYTHING THAT’S GONE ON, I’VE HEARD THE TALK OF SURGE, UBER AND LYFT MET ELLEN PAGE THE SEARCH. THEY CHARGE OUR PASSENGERS. THEY DO NOT PAY IT TO THE DRIVERS. DRIVE FORWARD IS A COMPANY THAT HAS LET OUT FALSE INFORMATION SAYING THAT THE INITIATIVE, THE TAXES WERE GOING TO RAISE $17.5 MILLION THAT WAS JUST TO BE A SLUSH FUND FOR TEAMSTERS 117 IN ORDER TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THAT TAX. I HAVE TALKED TO PASSENGERS AND PROBABLY 400 PASSENGERS. ALL OF THEM SAY THEY DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM PAYING $0.51 IN FACT THEY ENCOURAGE THE RAISING OF RATES IN ORDER TO TAKE AND MAKE SURE THE DRIVERS ARE ABLE TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND LIVE AND HAVE BENEFITS. A BENEFIT FOR AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR HAS TO GO TO A BENEFIT PORTFOLIO. IT HAS TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT HAS TO GO TO THAT FOR THE DRIVERS TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO KEEP THEM INDEPENDENT. I ENCOURAGE THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT OF ANYBODY. IF TEAMSTERS CAN DO IT, BE GREAT IF IT’S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY MANDATED TO. IF EVERY GIG WORKER TO HAVE THAT, THAT’S EVEN BETTER BECAUSE THERE IS MICROSOFT, AMAZON, THERE ARE GIG WORKERS EVERYWHERE. WE ARE HEARD. THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE HIRING TO GET WORKERS ARE HURTING US.>>THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. MICHAEL AND THEN PATIENTS. >>MICHAEL IS MEET. HE DARN NEAR COVERED EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA SAY THE ONLY THING I WILL ADD IS IF YOU REALLY WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS WE’RE GOING TO, WHAT IT IS AN YOU PRACTICALLY NEED TO BE OUT THERE DOING IT. WE CAN TALK TO GUYS, WE CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION. YOU DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO YOU GET THIS INFORMATION FROM. THERE HAS BEEN ALLEGATIONS LAID OUT AS YOU’VE HEARD, THEY DON’T BEAR REPEATING BUT SOME ARE RIGHT AND SOME ARE NOT. A LOT OF THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING RIGHT NOW IS DRIVER EDUCATION. WHEN DRIVERS ARE TALKING TO YOU, BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE AS UP TO SNUFF ON THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AS IF THEY WERE LAID OUT RIGHT BEFORE THEM. MOST OF THEM ARE GETTING WORD OF MOUTH, BEING TOLD DO THIS, DO THAT AND THIS IS HOW IT ROLLS. SOMETIMES THERE ARE POINTS IN WHERE YOU COULD HELP AND THAT WILL BE SKEWED. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET THE CORE INFORMATION, YOU ALMOST PRACTICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER PROFILE. IF YOU NEED THAT. I AM HERE. >>THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. THERE’S A GENTLEMAN, YES, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? LET ME SEE.>>WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER? >>YOU ARE NUMBER 20 WAIT YOUR TURN PLEASE. WE WILL GET YOU FASTER THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. MR. SAEED. NOT HERE? MISS PATIENTS. I DON’T SEE PATIENTS.>>WHO ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? ELIZABETH JAMES? WALTER ELLIS. DEFERRED. MR. ELLIS OKAY, YOU WILL BE FOURTH TOMORROW. 17 IS DON CLEARY. NO, HE’S GOT TO BE HERE TO SAY THAT. NICE TRY.>>HE LEFT. HE WAS HERE. I SAW HIM LEAVE. >>GREAT.>>A LOT OF PEOPLE LEFT. >>THAT WON’T HELP. THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST ELLIS OR OTHERWISE HOW DO I KNOW? OKAY. I’M GOING WITH YOU. OH BOY. HERE’S A PHONE NUMBER. 206-229-3533. OKAY, COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME SO I KNOW NEXT TIME. OF COURSE IT IS. JUST LIKE IT’S SPELLED.>>I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MAYOR’S OFFICE IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO STEP IN TO — FOR THE DRIVERS. I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW AND THE PUBLIC NEED TO KNOW THIS, DRIVERS DNC, ALL THE DRIVERS HAVE NO SICK LEAVE, NO PAID VACATION, NO 401(K). IF THE CAR BREAKS DOWN WE ARE OUT OF LUCK. I START WITH THE UBER IN 2013 . MY REVENUE HAS DROPPED LESS THAN 50%. RIGHT NOW, UBER AND LYFT ARE REACTING TO $0.51 MAKING A BIG DEAL, THEY CHARGE SURGE PRICE FIVE, $10, $15, $30 EVEN, A LOT MORE SOMETIMES. SO THEY CAN AFFORD $0.51. THEY CAN AFFORD TWO QUARTERS AND A PENNY. THAT’S WHAT I’D LIKE TO SEE. EVEN UBER HAS A NET WORTH OF $76 BILLION AS THE WHOLE UNIVERSE KNOWS. LYFT IS $29 BILLION . WHERE THEY GET THAT MONEY BECAUSE THIS DRIVERS. IF WE GET PART OF THAT, I THINK THEY WILL NOT LOSE MUCH. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. IT LOOKS LIKE MR. AHMED. PLEASE. REALLY? OKAY. HERE HERE. THANK YOU. I GOT HIM.>>THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. PRESIDENT OF CITY COUNCIL. I’M A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. I’M THE GENTLEMAN OF SEATTLE RIDESHARE ASSOCIATION. IT’S AN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION AS MULTIPLE ASSOCIATIONS WITH VARIOUS ENTITIES OR MULTIPLE QUANTITIES LIKE EAST AFRICANS OR LATINO, DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES ON OUR PLATFORM. I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE DEACTIVATION PROPOSAL. TO HAVE AN ABUNDANT BODY INCLUDING THE DRIVERS ORGANIZATION. IT MIGHT BE THE CITY KIND OF LIKE INDEPENDENT BODY WHICH COULD UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY YOU ARE NOT GUILTY. THAT MEANS DRIVERS HAVE TO ASK THEIR VOICE AND ASK TO COME AND ASSEMBLY DECIDES. IN ADDITION TO THE TAX PROPOSAL AND MONEY COLLECTED RIDESHARE INDUSTRY. I MUST BE ALSO [ INDISCERNIBLE ] DRIVER WILL BE. MY COLLEAGUE [ INDISCERNIBLE ] MENTIONED SEATTLE RIDESHARE DRIVERS, [ INDISCERNIBLE ] THAT’S WHAT WE ARE ADVOCATING. WE ARE ASKING THE PROCESS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO ALL. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE VARIOUS ENTITIES AND STAKEHOLDERS. THAT’S LIKE OTHER COLLEAGUE MENTIONED THAT MOST OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY HAS NO VOICE IN THIS PLATFORM. WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HAVE A BETTER LEGISLATION AND LOOK INTO THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU, FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. WHO IN THE AUDIENCE STILL WANTS TO SPEAK? WHAT YOUR NAME PLEASE? OH GOOD. IS THERE ANYBODY’S THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? HELLO. NICE TO SEE YOU. I THINK JONATHAN, I THINK YOUR NEXT. PLEASE, YOU ARE NUMBER 21 AND PAGE YOU ARE 22. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE LIST? MARGUERITE RASHAD HIS LAST. PLEASE DON’T LEAVE. YOUR ALMOST A. — UP. NICE TO SEE YOU. >>LIKEWISE, THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A COUPLE UPDATES FOR YOU ON THE SAMARITAN PILOT AND A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS I WANT TO READ, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME A MOMENT TO PULL THEM UP. ONE OF THE LATEST THINGS THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITH THE SAMARITAN PILOT, WHICH AGAIN IS THE SMART WALLETS WE’VE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO ADDRESS CRITICAL NEEDS TO GETTING INTO HOUSING IN BETTER HEALTH. HARBORVIEW EMERGENCY ROOMS HAVE SIGNED A LETTER OF INTENT TO PROVIDE A RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS AND IN AND OUT OF THE ER. WE HAVE SEEN NOW OVER $100,000 TRANSFERRED DIRECTLY TO THE 500 PILOT GROUP. WITH OVER 1000 MESSAGES OF ENCOURAGEMENT SENSE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. OF THE 500 274 OF THE TREATMENT GROUP HAVE REPORTED NEEDING EITHER A MAJOR FINANCIAL OR RELATIONAL NEED TO GETTING INTO HOUSING AND 50 OF THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY MOVED INTO HOUSING, GOTTEN EMPLOYED OR MOVED INTO FULL-TIME TREATMENT. KNOW OF A, THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING SAYS THAT WE HOPE TO USE SAMARITAN TO EMPOWER CLIENTS AND EQUIP THE BROADER COMMUNITY TO SEE THE HUMANITY OF THE PEOPLE WE SERVE. SHARON LEE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LEHIGH HOPES TO USE SAMARITAN TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS OF TRUST WITH CLIENTS AND INSTILL NEW HOPE AND ULTIMATEY NAVIGATE MORE PEOPLE INTO HOUSING. MICKEY JORDAN, THE DIRECTOR OF OUTREACH AT THE SALVATION ARMY SAID THIS WOULD REPRESENT TRANSFORMATIVE ACCESS TO THE FINANCIAL AND SOCIAL CAPITAL THAT THE PEOPLE WE SERVE NEED. WE FEEL THAT THIS INTERVENTION DRIVES BEHAVIORAL CHANGE WHICH CAN LOWER COST OF THE CITY, GENERATE NEW DATA AND MAKE THE CITY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL TO LIVE. JASON JOHNSON FROM HST SAID WHILE HST DOES NOT HAVE FUNDING FOR THIS, THAT THEY WANT TO REPLACE AN EXISTING LINE ITEM. IF THE CITY COUNCIL CAN FIND PILOT FUNDING FOR THIS, HE WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. IT WOULD TAKE 170 5K TO GIVE 750 MORE PEOPLE ACCESS TO A BEACON IN THE NEXT YEAR AND $225,000 TO GIVE 1200 PEOPLE — 1200 FEET DEEP PEOPLE ACCESS TO A BEACON. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MAYBE MORE OF WHAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT AND GET AN UPDATE, IF THIS IS SOMETHING OF INTEREST. >>THANK YOU. PAGE, YOU ARE SECOND TO LAST AND MAYBE LAST IF WE DON’T SEE MARGUERITE. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. >>I’M PAGE MELLATA A MEMBER OF THE SEATTLE STREET CORNER COALITION TO SUPPORT THE FAIR SHARE PLAN FOR FUNDING THE STREETCAR. LAST YEAR, OVER 24 MILLION RIDE- HAILING TRIPS WERE ORIGINATING IN SEATTLE, A 16% INCREASE EVERY YEAR. OVER HALF OF THESE TRIPS TOOK PLACE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE DOOR WHICH WILL BE SERVED BY THE CENTER CITY STREETCAR. FOR THE SMALL AMOUNTS FOR EACH RIDE-HAILING TRIP THIS TAX WOULD RAISE $56 MILLION OF INVESTMENTS OVER FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE THE CENTER CITY STREETCAR ON FIRST AVENUE AND STRENGTHEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR $75 MILLION GRANT FROM THE GOVERNMENT. WITH 65% OF THE REGION’S CARBON EMISSIONS COMING FROM TRANSPORTATION, A TAX ON RIDE- HAILING TO FIND A STREAK OUR POWERED BY GREEN INJURY IS A STEP WE CAN TAKE TODAY TOWARDS CLIMATE ACTION, ADDRESSING CONGESTION AND BECOMING A MORE SUSTAINABLE CITY. PLEASE SUPPORT THE FAIR SHARE PLAN. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. MARGUERITE? I DON’T SEE MARGUERITE. THAT’S THE END OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW NIGHT AT 5:30. WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.>>[ EVENT CONCLUDED ]

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