Oct. 28, 2019 – Law Amendments Committee Proceedings (Part 1)


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OF ALSO LEGAL AM ON IIT. FOR THE ICLERK’S ANDRECORD,
RELATIONS, OFFICE, GOVERNMENT AT HRM FOR RISK AND INSURANCE
SERVICES, WHICH REALLY RELATES TO THIS.
I WOULD SAY THE REALITY IS THAT THERE’S NO MAGIC SOLUTION WHEN
IT COMES TO NECESSARY COVERAGES FOR FIRE, AND IN PARTICULAR THE
IMPORTANT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HAVE WHO FACE, YOU KNOW,
A NUMBER OF RISKS. BUT THEIR COMPARABLE RISKS TO
OUR EMPLOYEE-ED FIREFIGHTERS, AND SO PROVIDING COVERAGE FOR
THEM IS ALSO IMPORTANT. WHILE THERE’S PROS AND CONS TO
THINGS, OVERALL I THINK PROVIDING MANDATORY COVERAGE IN
WCB FAVOURS THE UPSIDE OF THIS. CURRENTLY HRFE, HALIFAX REGIONAL
FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, HAS INSURANCE IN PLACE, AND THAT’S
NOT ALWAYS THE CASE WITH MUNICIPALITIES FOR OUR VOLUNTEER
FIREFIGHTERS. IT’S PROVIDED BY A VOLUNTEER
FIREMAN’S INSURANCE SERVICE INC., AND SO FUNDAMENTALLY THE
CHALLENGE IN GOING TO WCB IS TRYING TO ASSESS THE RESPECTIVE
COVERAGES THAT ARE PROVIDED. AND WHILE THERE’S SOME UPSIDE,
THERE’S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF DOWNSIDE TO THAT.
I REALIZE THAT NOT ALL MUNICIPALITIES OR FIRE SERVICES
FEELS THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN — HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO
THE DEPARTMENT, AND YET THERE WAS A CALL FOR INFORMATION THAT
CAME OUT THROUGH THE AMA, THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPAL
ADMINISTRATORS. WITHIN OUR MUNICIPALITY, THAT
WAS RESPONDED TO BY THE FIRE SERVICES.
I WASN’T MADE AWARE OF THE RESPONSE UNTIL LAST WEEK, WHICH
IS FINE, BUT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, THEN, I THINK IN
TERMS OF NOT ONLY ON MINISTER’S SIDE IN TERMS OF WHO TO CONSULT
WITH, BUT ALSO ON THE MUNICIPALITIES, OF GETTING THAT
THROUGH. THERE’S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF
WORK THAT WE COULD DO ON THAT. FOR HRFE, THEIR VIEW, WHICH I
WOULD SHARE, IS THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT OBTAINED
FROM A STANDARDIZED AND REGULATED SYSTEM OF COVERAGE FOR
ALL VOLUNTEERS IN NOVA SCOTIA AND NOT JUST ON A ONE-OFF BASIS.
PROVINCIAL COVERAGE VIA WCB WOULD ALLOW ALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS
TO ACCESS AND PROVIDE UNIFORM LEVELS OF COVERAGE WITH REDUCED
OVERHEAD. AND SO THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE,
BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT AS THIS ROLLS OUT AND AS WE LOOK AT THE
RESPECTIVE COVERAGE BITS, THERE’S PROBABLY GOING TO BE
SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE DEPARTMENT
AND WITH WCB AS WE GO FORWARD, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE DEPARTMENT
AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>The Chair: MS. MARTIN?>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND
THANK YOU FOR COMING, AGAIN, TO LAW AMENDMENTS.
SO WHAT IS THE FEELING OF HRM IN SUPPORTING THIS AND THE EXPANDED LIST OF CANCERS FOR
FIREFIGHTERS? AS WE KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN
INVESTIGATION AND CONSULTATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IN A LIFE AND
DEATH SITUATION, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HRM IS WILLING TO
— OR SUPPORTIVE OF FROM THE ON-SET.
>>The Chair: MR. TRAVES?>>YES.
PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS ARE DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE.
WE’VE HAD SOME STRUGGLE IN TRYING TO ASSESS THE RESPECTIVE
COVERAGE IN TERMS OF PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE
TODAY. I’VE HAD MIXED MESSAGES,
FRANKLY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS
SOME LEVEL OF COVERAGE AND IT MAY BE EQUIVALENT, BUT IT
WOULDN’T BE BETTER THAN WCB’S. I THINK THEY’RE GONNA END UP TO
BE ROUGHLY THE SAME, BUT I CAN’T REALLY SAY TO THE COMMITTEE
TODAY THAT OUR CURRENT COVERAGE IS WORSE OR LESS, AND THAT’S NOT
ENTIRELY WHAT HRFE WROTE THROUGH AMA TO THE DEPARTMENT, AND SO
WE’RE SORT OF STILL CHASING EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
BUT I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT WHAT WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH
THE PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS UNDER WCB WOULD BE ANYTHING LESS THAN
WE WOULD CURRENTLY HAVE, IF OURS IS EVEN EQUIVALENT TO THAT.
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS BEING COVERED.
>>The Chair: I THINK WE HAVE TIME FOR A QUICK SUPPLEMENTARY.
YES, MS. MARTIN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
WHEN WE INTRODUCED A BILL IN THE HOUSE LAST SESSION ABOUT THIS,
WE DID RECEIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM FIREFIGHTERS
AND STUDIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT TALK ABOUT FIRES, THE FACT
THAT FIRES AREN’T THE SAME ANYMORE, THAT YOU KNOW, THE
MATERIALS IN CHESTERFIELDS AND FURNITURE ARE MUCH MORE
CONTAMINATED THAN THEY WERE BEFORE.
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS IN YOUR FIREFIGHTERS?
YOU KNOW, HAVE THERE BEEN MORE INSTANCES OF FIREFIGHTERS BEING
AWAY FROM THE JOB BECAUSE OF CANCER?
>>The Chair: MR. TRAVES?>>I CAN’T SAY THAT I’M AWARE OF
THOSE STATS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT’S POSSIBLE. I THINK THE BIGGER CONCERN THAT
I’M HEARING EXPRESSED IN TERMS OF GOING INTO A POOL OF THIS
NATURE REALLY RELATES — AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN THE CURRENT
POOL, WHICH IS VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS COVERAGE, IS ONE
OF, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF TRAINING AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT
— AND THE VARIANCE ACROSS THERE.
SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS STANDARDIZATION, YOU
KNOW, ACROSS THE PROVINCE I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING
IF WE’RE GOING TO BE IN ONE POOL IN WCB.
>>The Chair: MS. CHENDER?>>SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT,
I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN THE CURRENT COVERAGE THERE
ARE ENUMERATED PRESUMPTIVE CANCERS.
WE DON’T SEE ANY HERE, ALTHOUGH WE’RE TOLD THEY’LL COME IN THE
REGULATIONS. IS THERE ANY CONCERN AMONG THE
FIREFIGHTERS AROUND SWITCHING FROM A KNOWN TO AN UNKNOWN?
>>The Chair: MR. TRAVES?>>WELL, I THINK THAT LEADS BACK
TO OUR DESIRE TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH RESPECT TO THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE REGULATIONS AND WHERE THE COVERAGE SITS.
SO YES. I MEAN, I DON’T THINK THERE’S
CONCERNS BECAUSE THERE’S NO INDICATION THAT THERE WOULDN’T
BE COVERAGES.>>The Chair: GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. TRAVES. JIM ROPER, FIRE SERVICE ASSOCIATION OF NOVA SCOTIA.
WELCOME, MR. ROPER. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS JIM ROPER.
I’M THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE FIRE SERVICE ASSOCIATION OF NOVA
SCOTIA. I WILL READ MY COMMENTS HERE.
THE FIRE SERVICE ASSOCIATION OF NOVA SCOTIA WISHES TO RECOGNIZE
AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE MINISTER FOR HIS RECOGNITION OF THE
PROVINCE’S 7,000 VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS WHO WORK DAILY TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY HERE IN OUR PROVINCE.
THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE WHO PROTECT US
IS A VERY POSITIVE STEP FORWARD FOR THE FIRE SERVICE.
THESE CHANGES WILL ENHANCE THE PROTECTION PROVIDED TO
FIREFIGHTERS, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF CANCER AND MENTAL
HEALTH. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE
STAFF AT LAE AND WCB FOR HELPING UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENTS AND
HOW THEY WILL IMPACT THE FIRE SERVICE.
AS THIS LEGISLATION DIRECTLY IMPACTS FIREFIGHTERS, THERE ARE
SEVERAL OTHER EMERGENCY RESPONSE AGENCIES WHO WORK ALONGSIDE
FIREFIGHTERS BUT, BECAUSE OF THEIR STATUS AS VOLUNTEERS, ARE
NOT ENTITLED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WCB PROGRAM.
THESE GROUPS INCLUDE STANDALONE MEDICAL FIRST RESPONSE TEAMS,
GROUND SEARCH AND RESCUE, AND THE PROVINCIAL SPECIAL HAZARDS
RESPONSE UNITS. AS THESE GROUPS ALSO MAY RESPOND
TO MANY TYPES OF EMERGENCIES, THEY TOO ARE EXPOSED TO VARIOUS
HAZARDS, INCLUDING PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL HAZARDS, AS WELL AS
PSYCHOLOGICAL AND HEALTH HAZARDS.
WE BELIEVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO OPT
INTO THE WCB PROGRAM PROVIDING — UNIT IN WHICH THEY REGISTER
CHOOSE TO DO SO. THIS WOULD BE IN FACT BE THE
SAME PROCESS THAT THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE HAD PRIOR TO THIS
LEGISLATION AND ALLOW THESE MEMBERS AS PROVIDERS OF
EMERGENCY SERVICE THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN THE SAME PROTECTION AS
THE VOLUNTEER FIRE SERVICE. MAY I SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING:
VOLUNTEER EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS REGISTERED IN A
MUNICIPALITY AS PER SECTION 295 OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT ACT
MAY UPON APPLICATION OF A MUNICIPALITY WITHIN WHOSE
BOUNDARIES THE VOLUNTEER EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDER IS
LOCATED AND SERVES, THE BOARD MAY ADMIT THAT PROVIDER TO THE
APPLICATION AT THIS POINT. WE BELIEVE THIS AMENDED
LEGISLATION, ALONG WITH THIS SMALL AMENDMENT, IS A GOOD NEWS
STORY. IT NOT ONLY ENHANCES THE LEVEL
OF PROTECTION AND ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO THE SICK OR INJURED
RESPONDERS, BUT ALSO BECOMES A VERY VALUABLE RECRUITMENT AND
RETENTION TOOL FOR ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDERS WITHIN THE
PROVINCE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
OUR PARTNERS IN THE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION PHASES OF THIS
PROJECT. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED.
>>The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROPER.
QUESTIONS. MS. MARTIN?
>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING AND FOR
YOUR SERVICE. EXCUSE ME.
SO AGAIN, I’LL ASK YOU, WHEN WE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION LAST
SESSION, WE INCLUDED AN ENHANCED LIST OF CANCER THAT WE HEARD
FROM MANY FIREFIGHTERS AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THIS IS
THE STANDARD. HAS THE FIRE SERVICE OR HAVE YOU
BEEN CONSULTED OR HAS YOUR GROUP BEEN CONSULTED TALKING ABOUT A
GREATER LIST OF CANCERS, THAT THAT COULD COME LATER?
>>The Chair: MR. ROPER?>>ROOM FOR DISCUSSION WITH LAE
TO INCREASE THAT LIST TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE TO STANDARD OR AS CLOSE
TO THE MUCH LARGER NUMBER OF CANCERS THAT ARE ON THE ONE THAT
IS USED IN SOME OTHER PROVINCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>>The Chair: THANK YOU. MR. RUSHTON.
>>THANK YOU, CHIEF. CONGRATULATIONS ON MOVING FROM
PRESIDENT TO PAST PRESIDENT. TWO-PART QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
IS IT SAFE TO SAY — WHEN I WAS SITTING AT YOUR TABLE AS THE
DIRECTOR 15 YEARS AGO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT. THIS MUST BE A BIG CELEBRATION
FOR THE FIRE SERVICE RIGHT NOW TO BE AT THIS STEP TO ACTUALLY
SEE LEGISLATION MOVING. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD
BE THE VOICE TO GOVERNMENT FOR THE FIRE SERVICE?
>>The Chair: MR. ROPER?>>YES, THAT’S THE WAY WE SEE
OURSELVES, AS THE VOICE OF THE FIRE SERVICE IN RESPONSE TO
ISSUES DEALING WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
>>The Chair: MR. RUSHTON. >>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, JUST I GUESS TO PUT ON RECORD FOR
CONVERSATIONS THAT I’VE HAD WITH YOU, DOES THE FIRE SERVICE
ASSOCIATION FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LEGISLATION WITH
THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN REGULATIONS RATHER THAN IN THE
LEGISLATION? AND DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT
THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE GONNA CARRY ON WITHIN THAT YEAR TIME
FRAME THAT IT’S GONNA ACTUALLY TAKE EFFECT.
>>The Chair: MR. ROPER?>>YES.
WE FEEL THAT THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD TO ENHANCE THE
REGULATIONS TO NOT ONLY AROUND THE CANCER COVERAGE BUT JUST
SOME OTHER AREAS WITHIN IT THAT WILL DEFINITELY IMPROVE ON WHAT
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND IT’S A POSITIVE STEP GOING FORWARD,
YES.>>The Chair: NO FURTHER
QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROERM,
FOR COMING IN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MARY LLOYD AND LARRY MALONEY
FROM THE PICTOU COUNTY INJURED WORKERS’ ASSOCIATION.
WELCOME, MS. LLOYD AND MR. MALONEY.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS. MR. MALONEY.
>>OH, THANK YOU. YEAH, I’M LARRY MALONEY.
I’M THE VICE-PRESIDENT WITH PICTOU COUNTY INJURED WORKERS’
ASSOCIATION, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE OUR COMMENTARY TODAY ON BILL 204.
FIREFIGHTERS FULL-TIME AND VOLUNTEER PROVIDE AN
IMMEASURABLE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LIVES OF NOVA SCOTIANS.
THEY ENRICH THEIR LIVES AND HEALTH IN ORDER — THEY RISK
THEIR LIVES AND HEALTH IN ORDER TO PROTECT OURS.
THE LEGISLATION WE FEEL NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS
WHO DO DEVELOP OCCUPATIONAL DISEASES AS A RESULT OF
PROVIDING THAT PROTECTION ARE PROVIDED WITH UTMOST CARE OF
SERVICE. UNFORTUNATELY WE DON’T FEEL THAT
THE BILL MEETS THAT CRITERIA COMPLETELY, OR AS NECESSARY.
THERE ARE SEVERE LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS INCLUDED IN THE
BILL. THE ABILITY TO MAKE REGULATIONS
THAT PRESCRIBE CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ON CONDITIONS.
THE LIMITING THE APPLICATION OF THIS PRESUMPTION TO ONE YEAR
AFTER THE REGULATIONS ARE IMPOSED RATHER THAN THE CURRENT
SITUATION WHERE IT’S THE DATE THAT A PERSON BECOMES AWARE THAT
THEY WERE DIAGNOSED WITH A DISEASE, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THE REMOVAL OF THE LIMITATION PERIOD, ONCE AGAIN,
TO THE DATE THAT THE REGULATIONS ARE PRESCRIBED.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IS IT A COST SAVING MEASURE OR ARE THERE
PEOPLE THAT MAY BE AFFECTED THAT COST IS A CONCERN?
IF SO, WELL, WHAT PRICE DO WE PUT ON PEOPLE’S LIVES AND
HEALTH? WE NEED TO BE REASONABLE AND
OPENMINDED WITH THAT. AND HOW CAN A GOVERNMENT OR
LEGISLATION LIMIT AND RESTRICT ENTITLEMENT TO BENEFITS AND
SERVICES AT A TIME WHEN IT’S MOST NEEDED FOR THESE PEOPLE?
YOU KNOW, THEY’RE SUFFERING FROM A TERMINAL DISEASE CAUSED BY
THEIR VOLUNTEER ACTIVITIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THEY’RE HEROES. AND IT’S UNLIKELY, I THINK, THAT
A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF — THANKFULLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER
PROBABLY WON’T BE AFFECTED, SO I THINK IT’S VITAL THAT WE INCLUDE
ALL. YOU KNOW, AS MANY AS WE CAN.
WE FEEL THAT THERE’S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THESE
RESTRICTIONS COULD, PERHAPS, BE A CHARTER ISSUE IN THE FUTURE.
WE HOPE NOT, BUT THERE’S POTENTIAL THERE BECAUSE IT LOOKS
LIKE SOME WORKERS OR SOME FIREFIGHTERS COULD BE TREATED
DIFFERENTLY WITH OCCUPATIONAL DISEASE THAN OTHERS WITH
OCCUPATIONAL DISEASES. THERE’S A POSSIBILITY THERE,
WHICH I THINK MAYBE NEEDS FURTHER EXPLORATION, PERHAPS, OR
MAYBE IT’S ALREADY DONE, WE JUST DON’T KNOW, BUT I THINK IT’S
IMPORTANT. THESE HEROES OF OUR COMMUNITIES
DESERVE MORE RESPECT AND DIGNITY THAN THE LIMITATIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED UPON THEM BY THIS BILL, AND WE TRULY HOPE
THAT AS INDIVIDUALS WE’RE NEVER FACED WITH THE DAY THAT A FAMILY
MEMBER OR A NEIGHBOUR OR A CLOSE FRIEND WHO IS A VOLUNTEER FIRE
DEPARTMENT MEMBER IN YOUR COMMUNITY EVER — YOU EVER HAVE
TO FACE THAT PERSON AND SAY “I’M SORRY, I SUPPORTED THAT BILL
THAT LIMITS YOUR BENEFITS.” YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE DATE
THAT THE REGULATIONS WERE IMPOSED, ET CETERA.
I JUST THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THOSE COMMENTS.
AND I’LL TURN THAT OVER TO MARY NOW FOR FURTHER.>>The Chair: MS. LLOYD?
>>GOOD MORNING. FIRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO STATE
THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS LEGISLATION AS OPPOSED TO
>>The Chair: MS. LLOYD?>>GOOD MORNING.
FIRST REGULATIONS, AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WE JUST
CURRENTLY HAD THE PTSD REGULATIONS PUT IN PLACE.
AND FOR TWO YEARS WE DID CONSULTATIONS WHERE EVERYTHING
WAS IGNORED THAT WAS PUT IN WHEN WE CAME AND TO LAW AMENDMENTS
VOICING THE MINDSET THOSE CONCERNS WAS THE MINDSET
THAT ENDED UP COMING FORWARD, AND IT DIDN’T CHANGE A THING.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIAGNOSED WITH POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS FACE
THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES AS ANYONE ELSE, A FIRST RESPONDER OR
NON-FIRST RESPONDER GOES THROUGH THE SAME HOOPS.
SO IT DIDN’T CHANGE A THING, AND MY FEAR HERE IS THE SAME.
THE PRESUMPTION. THE USE OF THE WORD
“PRESUMPTION” IN THIS BILL AS IN THE 2017 LEGISLATION FOR THE
POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS IS MISLEADING.
IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF ENTITLEMENT
AS — WOULD ALREADY EXIST IN THE LEGISLATION.
SUCH — IN OUR CURRENT LEGISLATION IS THE PRESUMPTION
CLAUSE, AND IT STATES THAT IT WILL BE PRESUMED THAT THE
ACCIDENT OR CONDITION AROSE OUT OF AND IN THE COURSE OF
EMPLOYMENT UNLESS THE CONTRARY IS SHOWN, UNLESS THE CONTRARY IS
SHOWN IT IS PRESUMED IT AROSE OUT OF AND IN THE COURSE OF
EMPLOYMENT. SO THE APPROACH THAT SHOULD BE
TAKEN HERE AS WE ARGUED FOR THE POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS PEOPLE IS
AN ASSUMPTION CLAUSE, AN AUTOMATIC ASSUMPTION LIKE WE
GAVE TO THE COAL MINER, WHERE IT WAS RECOGNIZED THAT THIS CERTAIN
OCCUPATION PREDISPOSES THESE PEOPLE TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THEREFORE, MAKE IT CLEAR, MAKE IT ACCURATE THAT THEY WILL NOT
HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS, AND GIVEN WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE IS CANCERS, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WILL BE IN DIRE STRAITS
WHEN THAT DIAGNOSIS COMES. THEY DON’T NEED TO BE FIGHTING
THE BATTLE WITH WCB, BECAUSE THAT’S NOT A PRETTY PICTURE.
SO WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER AND MAKE THIS
LEGISLATION AS OPPOSED TO REGULATIONS AND DO — IF THE
INTENTION IS TO HELP OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR VOLUNTEER
FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS, THEN PUT THE
LANGUAGE IN CLEAR THAT MEANS THEY WILL GET THAT COVERAGE.
THANK YOU.>>The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MS. LLOYD AND MR. MALONEY. QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING
TO MS. MARTIN.
>>THANK YOU. AND SPEAK TODAY.
AND YOU KNOW, WHILE WE APPRECIATE THIS BILL AND HOW
IT’S MOVING THE GAUGE SOMEWHAT, WE COMPLETELY AGREE.
WE THINK THAT THE WORK IS ALREADY DONE.
WE’VE HEARD — I’VE HEARD SO MANY HORROR STORIES SINCE THIS
DISCUSSION STARTED. AGAIN, WHEN WE INTRODUCED OUR
BILL TO INCLUDE THESE CANCERS SO THAT THERE IS NO GREY AREA.
SO WHEN A FIREFIGHTER, WHO HAS COME TO SAVE YOUR LIFE, HAS TO
PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE OF GOING THROUGH CANCER, SHOULDN’T HAVE
TO DEBATE WHETHER IT WAS A WORKPLACE INJURY OR NOT.
AND I AGREE, I THINK THE REGULATIONS ARE TOO WEAK.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE IN LEGISLATION, AND I SUPPORT WHAT
YOU’RE SAYING.>>The Chair: ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. LLOYD
AND MR. MALONEY, FOR COMING IN TODAY.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO BILL NO. 204. MS. LOHNES-CROFT?
>>I MOVE THAT WE SEND BILL 204 TO — BACK TO THE — TO LAW
AMENDMENTS — NO, COMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE.
>>The Chair: BACK TO THE HOUSE.>>JUST BACK TO THE HOUSE WITH
NO AMENDMENTS. >>The Chair: THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOUR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY
SAYING AYE. >>AYE.
>>The Chair: OPPOSED? MOTION IS CARRIED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE A BIT AHEAD HERE SO I
SUGGEST THAT WE ADJOURN FOR A BREAK UNTIL SO11:45.
THANK YOU.>>The Chair: ORDER, PLEASE.
LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER. COMMITTEE FACESGALLERY, REVIEW
BACK TO COUPLE A FEW NEW IN THE QUICKLY WILL
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>>THANK SO MY NAME ANENVIRONMENTAL
EDUCATOR.KENDRY. AMONGTO OTHER IN TO I’M
DALHOUSIE ON AT MOVED NOVA SCOTIA AND MASTER’S DEGREE 2005
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TEACHESPLACES. KIDS AND THE AND TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT IN WILD OF
NOVA SCOTIA THEMPROVINCE, WILD MOVEMENT ENVIRONMENTAL IN THE
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION OUR PROVINCES, IN BECAMEAPPARENT
THAT THERE WERE SOME GLARING NOVA AND OTHER IN HOLES WAS
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UNLIKESCHOOL ENSHRINED THIS ADULTS NOT PUBLICTHERE WERE
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LIVES. SUSTAIN OR WORKPLACES ABOUT AND CAN IS IMPROVE
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AS WELL AS ABOUT ACTIONS IN TAKE
IT’SLEARNERS PROCESS THE ENGAGE NATURAL WORLD WE ALL DEPEND ON.
AISSUES, THAT ALLOWS AND TO EXPLORE ACTION ENVIRONMENTAL
PROBLEM SOLVING TAKEIN AN INFORMED WAY.
IT COVERS TOPICS LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, BIODIVERSITY LAWS, CLEAN
ENERGY, POLLUTION, WASTE AND RECYCLING AND MORE.
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION IS NOT ADVOCACY FROM A PARTICULAR
POLITICAL POINT OF VIEW. RATHER, IT FOCUSES ON EXAMINING
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES FROM DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND
ENCOURAGING CRITICAL THINKING AND PROBLEM SOLVING ON THE
TOPICS. ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CREATES
LEARNERS WITH HIGHER ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY.
THEIR EMPROVED UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURAL WORLD AND THEIR ROLE
IN IT GIVES THEM MOTIVATION TO MAKE RESPONSIBLE DECISIONS WHEN
THEY CONSIDER THEIR RELATIONSHIPS TO NATURAL
SYSTEMS, COMMUNITIES AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
IT LENDS ITSELF TO EXACTLY THE KIND OF EMPATHETIC AND
MULTIDISCIPLINARY APPROACHES THAT WE’RE REALIZING WE NEED IN
A SWIFTLY CHANGING WORLD. RECOGNIZING THAT THE
ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY GAPS IN NOVA SCOTIA WOULD NOT BE
ADDRESSED BY MY ACTIONS ALONE, I JOINED THE NOVA SCOTIA
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CAUCUS, NOW CALLED THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND
SUSTAINABILITY EDUCATION CAUCUS. THIS IS A NETWORK OF EDUCATORS,
BOTH IN THE CLASSROOM AND OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM,
THAT STRIVES TO RAISE THE PRO-OOH FILE OF ENVIRONMENTAL
EDUCATION AND SUSTAINABILITY EDUCATION AND IMPROVE THE
CAPACITY FOR TEACHERS AND LEARNERS TO ACCESS GREAT QUALITY
PROGRAMS. THE GROUPS INVOLVED IN THE
CAUCUS HAVE VISITED HUNDREDS OF CLASSROOMS OVER THE YEARS WITH
THEIR CURRICULUM LINKED ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION THANKS
TO INTERESTED RESOURCEFUL TEACHERS WHO SAW THE VALUE OF
BRINGING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION INTO THEIR CLASSROOMS.
WE’VE GIVEN TALKS FOR TEACHERS IN TRAINING AND PUT ON OUR
SECOND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT DAY FOR TEACHERS AND EDUCATORS
ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS
THAT TEACHERS CAN ACCESS ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA, BUT WE’RE ALWAYS ON
THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. WITHOUT A REQUIREMENT TO SEEK
OUT THESE RESOURCES AND PROGRAMS, ONLY A FRACTION OF
TEACHERS HAVE DISCOVERED WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AND THE EXTENSIVE
WORLD OF RESOURCES THAT CAN BE BROUGHT INTO THE CLASSROOM.
IN 2007, WHILE I WAS STILL A GRAD STUDENT AND JUST GETTING
YOUNG NATURALIST CLUB OFF THE GROUND, A NEW PIECE OF
ENVIRONMENTAL LEGISLATION WAS INTRODUCED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL
GOALS AND SUSTAINABILITY PROSPERITY ACT, AND I WAS SO
EXCITED. HERE I WAS IN NOVA SCOTIA WHILE
RIGHT THE COUNTRY’S MOST AMBITIOUS GOALS AROUND MANY
ASPECTS OF THE ENVIRONMENT WAS ABOUT TO BE ENSHRINED IN LAW.
I READ THE WORDING OF THE ACT AND I FOUND IT BOTH INSPIRING
AND LACKING IN ONE WAY. I HAD JUST LEARNED AS A LAW
AMENDMENTS FEATURE IN THE PROCESS IN NOVA SCOTIA, AND SO I
MUSTERED ALL THE COURAGE I COULD AND SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ABOUT
EGSPA. WHEN MY COMMENTS I COMMENDED THE
POLITICAL LEADERS ON BRINGING FORWARD THIS NEEDED PIECE OF
LEGISLATION BUT POINTED OUT, AND I QUOTE FROM MY PHOTOS OF 2007,
THIS ACT TELLS US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WHEN WE HAVE TO DO IT BY,
BUT NOT WHY. IT’S MISSING THE VITAL
COMPONENT, AND THAT COMPONENT IS ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION.
ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTIGATION WOULD CONNECT THE DOTS FOR
PEOPLE, WHY WE NEED TO TAKE SPECIFIC ACTIONS PRESCRIBED IN
THE ACT IN ORDER TO PROSPER FINANCIALLY AND CONSERVATIVE THE
NATURAL SYSTEMS. 12 YEARS LATER THE ACT IS NOW
BEING RENEWED AND REPLACED AND THERE IS STILL A SERIOUS LACK OF
PRIORITIZING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION.
NOVA SCOTIA’S NOW A LAGGARD ON THIS FRONT AS OPPOSED TO A
LEADER. IN THE LAST 12 YEARS, THE
BRITISH COLUMBIA MINISTRY OF EDUCATION DEVELOPED CURRICULUM
MAPS TO AID IN TEACHING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ACROSS
ALL GRADE LEVELS. ONTARIO ENACTED A POLICY IN 2009
TO INCORPORATE ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION INTO ALL GRADES AND
ALL SUBJECTS. THEY CRAFTED A SET OF STANDARDS
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND INCORPORATED LEARNER
EXPECTATIONS FOR EVERY GRADE LEVEL ACROSS EVERY SUBJECT BY
2017. BOTH ONTARIO AND B.C. INTRODUCED
TEACHERS TO NETWORKS THAT SUPPORTED BRINGING ENVIRONMENTAL
EDUCATION INTO THE CLASSROOM, JUST LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND
SUSTAINABILITY EDUCATION CAUCUS IN NOVA SCOTIA.
AND IN NEW BRUNSWICK, MORE THAN 8.4 MILLION DOLLARS OF FUNDS
THAT THE PROVINCE COLLECTS THROUGH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL
TRUST FUND WILL GO THIS YEAR TO MANY COMMUNITY-BASED
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION PROJECTS AND RESEARCH INITIATIVES.
WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST FUND IN NOVA SCOTIA TOO, BUT IT
JUST SITS DORMANT EVERY YEAR, EVEN THOUGH ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE
WAS TO FUND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND CONSERVATION
INITIATIVES. ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION IS NOT
NEW, BUT IT’S NEEDED NOW MORE THAN EVER.
THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM IS WHERE THE LARGEST POPULATION OF
LEARNERS ARE EDUCATED, AND THOSE LEARNERS ARE GOING TO BE THE
CITIZENS AND LEADERS OF NOVA SCOTIA IN AN INCREASINGLY
UNFAMILIAR FUTURE. WE CAN BETTER EQUIP STUDENTS
WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS THAT THEY NEED TO WORK ON
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IF THIS ACT STATES ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION
AS A PRIORITY. CURRENTLY THE WORD “EDUCATION”
DOES NOT APPEAR IN BILL 213 AT ALL.
SPECIFICALLY, I RECOMMEND THAT ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION BE
INCLUDED IN SECTION 4, THE PRINCIPLES SECTION.
IT COULD BE ADDED AS CLAUSE 4(A)(5).
THE ACT COULD STATE THIS ACT IS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING
PRINCIPLES, A, THE ACHIEVEMENT OF SUSTAINABLE PROSPERITY IN THE
PROVINCE MUST INCLUDE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS.
1 — 2, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, 3, A CIRCULAR ECONOMY.
4, AN INCLUSIVE ECONOMY. AND 5, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION.
IMPROVING ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS
IS FOUNDATIONAL TO ACHIEVING THE AIM FOR THIS ACT, INCLUDING OVER
THE LONG TERMS. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF CREATIVE
WAYS TO DO THIS, AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS
THAT EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT COME FROM
THIS REGULATION STEMMING FROM THE ACT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN ONTARIO THEY CREATED A WORKING GROUP LED BY
CANADIAN ASTRONAUT AND EDUCATOR ROBERTA BONDAR TO DEVELOP A
POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR BRINGING MORE ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION
INTO THE CLASSROOM. THE PROVINCE OF NEW BRUNSWICK
WORKED WITH A LOCAL ACADEMIC TO CREATE A PLAN FOR HOW TO
IMPLEMENT THE PROVINCE’S CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION PLAN THROUGH
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AWARENESS AND CAPACITY BUILDING.
IMPROVING EVERYONE’S UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURAL
WORLD AND OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH IT IS POSSIBLE AND IS ESSENTIAL
TO BECOMING A MORE SUSTAINABLE SOCIETY.
I ALSO VIEW IT AS CRUCIAL TO ACHIEVING THE AIMS AND
ULTIMATELY THE GOALS THAT WILL COME FROM THIS ACT.
THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS ACT TAKES NOVA SCOTIA IN A
MORE SUSTAINABLE AND SUCCESSFUL DIRECTION.
HOWEVER, IT WILL ONLY BE EFFECTIVE AND SUPPORTIVE IF WE
ALL UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING THIS.
ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
HOW AWFUL WOULD IT BE TO GAIN NATIONAL RECOGNITION AS A GREEN
AND SUSTAINABLE PROVINCE, BUT WHEN YOU ASK THE AVERAGE NOVA
SCOTIAN WHY THEIR HOME PROVINCE TOOK THIS BOLD STEP THEY SAY I
DON’T KNOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION. I’VE BROUGHT YOU A MORE DETAILED
DEFINITION OF ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION IN THE CASE FOR WHY IT
NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS ACT, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET
IN CONTACT WITH ME OR ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATORS TO TALK
ABOUT HOW THE WORDING OF THE ACT COULD BE IMPROVED OR HOW
REGULATIONS COULD SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION.
I’VE ALSO BROUGHT A LITTLE TREAT FOR YOU, BUT TO GET ONE, YOU
HAVE TO ANSWER A NATURAL HISTORY QUESTION.
SO THESE ARE SOME COOKIES. SOME ARE SHAPED LIKE MAPLE LEAFS
AND SOME ARE SHAPED LIKE ACORNS. THEY ARE GLUTEN FREE AND REFINED
SUGAR FREE AND SWEETENED WITH MAPLE SYRUP.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS: FROM WHAT SPECIES OF MAPLE DOES MAPLE SYRUP COME?
NO GOOGLING.>>SUGAR MAPLE.
>>YOU GOT IT.
RIGHT ON! BUT ALSO WHAT OTHER SPECIES —
NAME ANOTHER SPECIES OF MAPLE NATIVE TO NOVA SCOTIA.
>>[INDISCERNIBLE]. >>YES, RED MAPLE.
AND ALSO SOME OF THE COOKIES ARE SHAPED LIKE ACORNS.
WHAT KIND OF TREE DO ACORNS COME FROM?
ACORNS. WHAT DID YOU GUESS?
>>[INDISCERNIBLE]. >>OH, RIGHT ON.
SO INTERESTING THING ABOUT ACORNS, SO THE WORD “ACORN” WAS
REMOVED FROM THE OXFORD JUNIOR DICTIONARY IN 2015 BECAUSE KIDS
WEREN’T USING IT ENOUGH AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH MORE COMMONLY
USED WORDS LIKE BROADBAND. SO IT IS RELEVANT THAT WE TALK
ABOUT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. IF IT’S NOT SUPPLYING THE
VOCABULARY FOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT NATURE, HOW CAN WE COME TO APPRECIATE IT BETTER?
THANK YOU. QUESTIONS?
>>The Chair: THANK YOU, MS. Mc KENDRY.
WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. MAGUIRE?>>I LEFT MY QUESTION TO MORE OF
A STATEMENT. WE HAD — SORRY.
I JUST THREW A COOKIE IN MY MOUTH.
I DIDN’T THINK I WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO TALK.
WE’VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE, BUT
ONE OF THE THINGS I’LL DO IS MAYBE WE CAN MEET AT A DIFFERENT
TIME AND HAVE DISCUSSION AROUND THE ENVIRONMENTAL TRUST FUND.
I’LL DO SOME DIGGING AND RESEARCH AND THEN WE’LL FIGURE
OUT WHERE THAT IS AND WHAT IT’S BEING USED FOR.>>The Chair: ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? MS. McKENDRY, DID YOU HAVE A
HANDOUT FOR FOLKS HERE?>>– PASSED AROUND, YEAH.
DO YOU NEED ONE MORE COPY?>>[INDISCERNIBLE].
>>YES, I CAN SEND THAT, YEAH.>>The Chair: GREAT.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. McKENDRY.
THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR THE COOKIES. MR. WILLIAM ZIMMERMAN.
MR. ZIMMERMAN, UP TO 10 MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION.
I’LL TRY TO GIVE YOU A TWO-MINUTE WARNING AND FIVE
MR. WILLIAM ZIMMERMAN. MR. MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS. AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>>GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS BILL ZIMMERMAN.
I’M A RETIRED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND I LIVE IN
WOLFVILLE, NOVA SCOTIA. I GRADUATED FROM MASSACHUSETTS
INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY WITH A MASTERS IN ENGINEERING,
RETURNING TO UNIVERSITY TO OBTAIN A MASTERS IN POLITICAL
SCIENCE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII, AND I DID FURTHER STUDY AT THE LONDON SCHOOL OF
ECONOMICS. IN 1972 I ATTENDED THE FIRST UN
CONFERENCE OF THE HUMAN ENVIRONMENT AS PART OF MY WORK
ON A FELLOWSHIP STUDY ON THE IMPORTANCE OF TECHNICAL DECISION
MAKING. I WAS ON THE ORGANIZING
COMMITTEE FOR THE PEOPLE AND ENERGY CONFERENCE IN HALIFAX IN
1975. MY ENGINEERING CONSULTING WORK
INCLUDED NINE YEARS WITH THE INSTITUTE OF — RESOURCES IN
P.E.I., WHICH AMONG OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS ESTABLISHED
CANADA’S FIRST WIND TEST SITE. I WAS A PARTICIPANT IN THE
SCIENCE COUNCIL OF CANADA’S SOFT ENERGY PATH STUDY AND A FOUNDING
MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATE COMMITTEE ON SOLAR ENERGY FOR
THE NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL. ON THE TOWN COUNCIL IN WOLFVILLE
FROM 2004 TO 2012 I CHAIRED THE — GAS REDUCTION COMMITTEE WHICH
LATER BECAME THE SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES COMMITTEE.
FROM 2005 TO 2007 I SERVED ON THE MINISTER’S ADVISORY COUNCIL
ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION.
2007 TO 2009 REPRESENTING THE UNSM.
I ATTENDED UNCOPP11 IN MONTREAL, AGAIN REPRESENTING THE UNION OF
INFORMS MUNICIPALITIES IN 2005. I SHARE THIS WITH YOU BECAUSE
WHILE I LIKE SO MANY MILLIONS AROUND THE GLOBE AM ALSO GIVEN
HOPE BY THE INSPIRATIONAL WORK OF GRETA THUNBERG, I’M OLD
ENOUGH TO BE HER GRANDPARENT, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT
WITH MY LIFE PARTNER I’VE BEEN AT THIS FOR OVER 50 YEARS NOW.
IN MY CASE, BOTH PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY BUT ALSO AS AN ACTIVE
CITIZEN. I BRING THIS BACKGROUND TO THIS
HEARING ON BILL 213, THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS
ACT. I MUST ADMIT THAT I’M TROUBLED
BY THE USE OF PROSPERITY THROUGHOUT THE BILL.
THE WORD HAS CONNOTATIONS OF THE “FAIRY TALES OF — GROWTH” THAT
GRETA — IN HER ADDRESS BEFORE THE UN.
THUS I TAKE PROSPERITY TO MEAN DOING WELL IN A SOCIAL CONTEXT
AS SHE IS PROSPERING IN SCHOOL. THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHE’S GETTING
RICH. IT MEANS SHE’S GETTING ALONG
WELL. WITH MY DEFINITION OF PROSPERITY
IN MIND, MY COMMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
SECTION 1, PART C, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AN INCLUSIVE
ECONOMY MUST PROVIDE A BASE LEVEL OF INCOME SO THAT PEOPLE
CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE ECONOMY.
POSSIBLE RELEVANT GOALS FOR THIS WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, ELIMINATE
CHILD POVERTY BY THE YEAR 2030, OR ESTABLISH THE MINIMUM WAGE
WILL REACH A LIVING WAGE BY 2030 SO THAT IF A PERSON HAS A JOB THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE ANYHOW, BUT THAT’S ANOTHER
ISSUE, WHICH BRINGS UP THAT WE SHOULD AS A PROVINCE THINK ABOUT
THE GUARANTEED INCOME, GUARANTEED MINIMUM INCOME, OR
BASIC INCOME GUARANTEE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, TO
MAKE SURE THAT THAT FLOOR OF BASIC NECESSITIES IS MET.
SECTION 2 (H) I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ECONOMIC GROWTH BE REPLACED WITH ECONOMY.
GROWTH IS NOT NECESSARILY OUR MAIN GOAL.
IN THIS SECTION, SECTION 4 — I DON’T SPEAK MI’KMAW VERY WELL, I
APOLOGIZE, IS THE KEY AND OVERRIDING ELEMENT.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HEAR HOW A MI’KMAW ELDER WOULD
EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THIS WORD, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING
THAT THE DEFINITION WE HAVE HERE MAYBE PUTS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH
EMPHASIS ON, AGAIN, ECONOMIC GROWTH RATHER THAN JUST THE PURE
CONCEPTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS TRADITIONAL WITH MI’KMAW PEOPLE,
OF PROVIDING — OF TAKING ONLY WHAT YOU NEED AND NOT ENTERING
INTO THE MARKET ECONOMY WITH IT BECAUSE THE MARKET ECONOMY DID
NOT EXIST FOR THE MI’KMAW BEFORE THEY WERE INTRODUCED TO
CIVILIZATION. BUT I THINK THAT THAT — THE
ESSENCE OF THAT CONCEPT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR US TO
CONSIDER. I CERTAINLY ENDORSE THE ELEMENTS
AND PRINCIPLES SUBJECT TO MY COMMENTS ON THE MEETING OF AN
INCLUSIVE ECONOMY. SECTION 6 (B), I’M NOT SURE WHAT
IS MEANT BY CLEANER ENERGY OR TRANSPORTATION.
DOES IT MEAN THAT ALL THE SURFACES IN ALL OF OUR CARS ARE
WELL SCRUBBED? WHAT DOES IT MEAN EXACTLY?
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT MAY MEAN DECARBONIZING ENERGY AND
TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WOULD — IF IT DOES MEAN THAT, WHY NOT
USE THAT TERM? AT THE SAME TIME, THE
DECARBONIZING OF TRANSPORTATION AND SPACE HEATING WILL REQUIRE
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO OUR ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS WOULD BE MUCH EASIER IF NOVA SCOTIA POWER WAS A PUBLICLY
OWNED UTILITY. REMEMBER THOSE DAYS.
SECTION 7(A). WHY IS THIS EVEN IN THE ACT?
IT SETS OUT A GOAL FOR 2020, AND IF WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE
WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS, WHY WOULD YOU BOTHER PUTTING IT IN
THE ACT? IT MAY GIVE US — IT MAY MAKE US
LOOK BETTER BECAUSE WE’VE ACHIEVED THE GOAL, BUT I JUST
QUESTION WHY(A) IS EVEN THERE. AS FOR B AND C, I FIND THAT
STATING EMISSIONS TARGETS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE REDUCTION FROM
EMISSIONS IN A PARTICULAR YEAR TO BE SOMEWHAT CONFUSING.
IN RECENT DISCUSSIONS I’VE FOUND PEOPLE USING WIDELY VARYING
NUMBERS FOR EMISSIONS IN THE BASE YEAR.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE STRENGTH OF A SPECIFIC BASE YEAR CAN MAKE
THE REDUCTIONS MORE OR LESS IMPRESSIVE.
I WOULD ENDORSE ADOPTING THE EAC GOAL, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU
ALREADY HAVE BEFORE YOU, THE ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE GOAL, OF
NO MORE THAN 9.8 PEG TONS EQUIVALENT IN 2030 BE ZERO
EMISSIONS BY 2050, NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050.
SECTION 8, AGAIN WE COME UP WITH THE WORD “CLEAN.”
FIRST, WHAT IS IS CLEAN GROWTH AND PRECISELY WHAT IS IS
GROWING? THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF
APPROACHING THAT, AND I THINK WE GET STUCK THINKING OF GROWTH
ONLY IN TERMS OF MAKING MORE MONEY.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF GROWING THAN THAT.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT ONE OF THE TRANSITIONS THAT WOULD BE
USEFUL FOR US TO MAKE IS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF
THOSE OTHER WAYS OF GROWING. THE CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN FOR
GREEN GROWTH, CLEAN AGAIN, WILL BE A LINCHPIN OF THIS ACT AND
THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING IT MUST INCLUDE BROAD AND
MEANINGFUL CONSULTATIONS WITH THE MI’KMAW PEOPLE, MUNICIPALITIES AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
OH, BILL, THERE’S ANOTHER PAGE. WHAT ROLE WOULD THE ROUND TABLE
HAVE IN THIS PROCESS? HOW ARE APPOINTMENTS MADE IN THE
ROUND TABLE? DOES IT REFLECT THE POPULATION
OF NOVA SCOTIA? SECTION 9.
THERE ARE FEW DETAILS ON THE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY CHALLENGE
FUND, SO IT’S HARD TO COMMENT, BUT I’M NOT SURE THAT
COMPETITIVE OPPORTUNITIES IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED.
I WOULD PREFER COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION BETWEEN COMMUNITIES.
SECTION 12, THE ANNUAL REPORT SHOULD BE MADE TO THE PEOPLE OF
THE PROVINCE, NOT JUST THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN EVENT EVERY YEAR WHERE WE LOOK AT
WHERE WE’VE BEEN AND LOOK AT WHERE WE’RE GOING, AND THAT THIS
BE A PUBLIC EVENT, NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE
FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.>>The Chair: TWO MINUTES
REMAINING. >>UMM, SECTION 14.
THIS SECTION IS KEY TO THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE ACT IN
PRODUCING MUNICIPAL PROGRESS. IS THERE ONLY THREE STATED GOALS
IN THE ACT ALL IN SECTION 7, ONE OF WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY
IRRELEVANT? PRESUMABLY OTHER GOALS WOULD BE
DEVELOPED AND PRESENTED AS REGULATIONS.
THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING THESE GOALS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND
SHOULD INCLUDE CONSULTATIONS, AS I SUGGEST IN SECTION 8.
CONCLUSION: THIS LEGISLATION SEEMS WELL INTENTIONED, BUT IT’S
THIN ON DETAILS OF EXACTLY HOW THE GOVERNMENT WILL PROCEED.
THE DEVIL IS IN THE REGULATIONS AND THE CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN FOR
CLEAN GROWTH. THERE WILL BE DIFFICULT CHOICES
TO MAKE, AND IT IS BEST TO HAVE THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS
TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION OF THE
PEOPLE. THAT’S ALL I HAVE A COUPLE OF
HARD COPIES OF THIS AND CAN PROVIDE A COPY BY WAY OF EMAIL
IF THAT’S DESIRED.>>The Chair: GREAT.
IF YOU GIVE A COPY TO THE PAGE, SHE CAN MAKE COPIES FOR US.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. ZIMMERMAN? NO QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BILL.>>THANK YOU.
>>The Chair: MARLA MACLEOD AND MEGHAN MCMORRIS FROM THE MS. McMORRIS.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS. ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE.
WELCOME, MS. MACLEOD.
>>I’D LIKE TO BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE’RE
GATHERED HERE ON UNCEDED AND UNSE RUNDERED TERRITORY OF THE
MI’KMAW PEOPLE. I’M MARLA MACLEOD, MANAGING
DIRECTOR WITH THE ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE.
I’M GOING TO SPEAK MORE BROADLY ON THE ACT, AND THEN MY
COLLEAGUE, MEGHAN MCMORRIS, OUR COMMUNITY ENERGY COORDINATOR,
WILL SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO MACLEODOUR PROPOSED MOMENTS.
WE AT THE ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE WELCOME THE RENEW OF EGSPA, NOW
TITLED THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS ACT.
WE THINK IT IS HIGHLY BENEFICIAL FOR SOCIETY TO SET SOME STRONG
ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL GOALS AND DEVELOP AND
CONSENSUS AROUND THOSE GOALS. EGSPA HAS DONE MUCH FOR NOVA
SCOTIA, AND A RENEWED ACT CAN DO EVEN MORE IN THIS TIME OF
CLIMATE EMERGENCY BIODIVERSITY CRISIS AND RECONCILIATION.
WE BELIEVE THE ACT HAS BENEFITED RURAL AND URBAN NOVA SCOTIA, AND
WE WOULD ENSURE THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE CASE.
WE WELCOME THE RECOGNITION IN THIS ACT THAT SUSTAINABLE
PROSPERITY IS IMPORTANT TO ALL DEPARTMENTS AND THAT THERE IS A
DEFINED ROLE FOR THE PREMIER. AS NOTED BY THE ROUND TABLE IN
THEIR LETTER, THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS ACT NEEDS TO
BE AT THE CENTRE OF GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND POLICY.
THERE IS A CLEAR OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE THE WORK OF THE ONE
NOVA SCOTIA INITIATIVES, AND THAT OF THE SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT GOALS ACT. WE SUPPORT AN ANNUAL PROGRESS
REPORT AND A FIVE-YEAR REVIEW OF THE ACT.
WE WELCOME THE RENEWAL AND EXPANSION AROUND TABLE
MEMBERSHIP. IT IS CRITICAL TO HAVE MI’KMAW,
AFRICAN-NOVA SCOTIAN AND YOUTH REPRESENTATION AT THE TABLE.
WE APPLAUD THE SENTIMENT OF THE INCLUSION OF — AND WE ENCOURAGE
AUTHENTIC CONSULTATION WITH MI’KMAW COMMUNITIES TO FULLY
UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR PUBLIC POLICY
TO IMPLEMENT IT FULLY. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PROVINCE
TO FOLLOW BRITISH COLUMBIA’S LEAD AND ADOPT THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE
RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. WE SUPPORT THE TITLE OF THE ACT.
IF THE GOVERNMENT IS SERIOUS ABOUT SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE TRANSITIONING TO A LOW-CARBON, GREEN AND
INCLUSIVE ECONOMY. THIS TRANSITION NEEDS TO HAPPEN
IF WE ARE TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE AND BIODIVERSITY CRISIS AND
ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM IN NOVA SCOTIA.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT CREATING REGULATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF
MOVING MOST GOALS INTO THE REGULATIONS.
THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS PUT THE GOALS IN THE LEGISLATION FOR A
REASON. AS LEGISLATORS, YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHTENED VALUE OF HAVING GOALS IN THE ACT.
WE ARE PROPOSING 13 NEW GOALS FOR THE ACT.
SOME OF THEM ARE NEW AREAS THAT ADDRESS FORESTRY AND
ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. OTHERS ARE UPDATED VERSIONS OF
EXISTING GOALS IN THE ACT, BOTH ACHIEVED AND IN PROGRESS.
WE’VE PROVIDED YOU WITH A COPY OF THOSE PROPOSED GOALS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CLIMATE
GOAL. WITH THE ADOPTION OF STRONG
CLIMATE GOALS, WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GOVERNMENT
OF NOVA SCOTIA TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND
IN PARTICULAR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY FUNDING PROGRAMS.
WE ALSO SUPPORT ROBUST IN-PERSON CONSULTATION ON ALL GOALS AND
THE REST OF THE ACT. WE REALIZE IT’S TIME FOR ACTION
WAS YESTERDAY, BUT THOUGHTFUL AND OPEN CONSULTATION IS
IMPORTANT FOR CREATING SOCIAL LICENSE AND AS MUCH CONSENSUS AS
POSSIBLE. WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT
CONSULTATIONS START AS SOON AS THE HOUSE RISES.
>>The Chair: THANK YOU, MS. MACLEOD.
MS. McMORRIS?>>THANK YOU.
OUR FIRST PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO SECTION 7 (D) WHICH CURRENTIE
CURRENTLY STATES THAT THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WILL
LEGISLATE A GREEN HOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TARGET OF 53% BELOW
2005 LEVELS BY THE YEAR 2030. WE THE ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE
PROPOSE THAT THE TARGET BE AMENDED TO 58% BELOW 2005 LEVELS
BY THE YEAR 2030. THE PROVINCE, THEREFORE, WOULD
EMIT NO MORE THAN 9.8 MEGATONS IN THE YEAR 2030.
WE APPLAUD THE GOVERNMENT FOR SETTING A TARGET AS NET ZERO
EMISSIONS BY THE YEAR 2050. HOWEVER, SECTIONS 2.4.1 TO 2.4.3
OF THE ITCC REPORT CLEARLY STATE THAT THE RATE AT WHICH WE
DECREASE GHG EMISSIONS WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE
OVERSHOOT ONE AND A HALF OR 2ᄚ OF GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RISE.
AN OVERSHOOT REFERS TO A PEAK FOLLOWED BY A DECLINE IN GLOBAL
WARMING. THE SPEED AT WHICH WE MOVE
TOWARDS A TARGET OF NET ZERO EMISSIONS IN 2050 WILL ALSO
DETERMINE THE EXTENT OF THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON
NOVA SCOTIA. THEREFORE, A FASTER DECLINE IN
GHG EMISSIONS AND A TARGET OF 58% BELOW 2005 LEVELS BY 2030
WILL CREATE A HIGHER CHANCE OF STAYING WITHIN 1.5ᄚ OF GLOBAL
WARMING AND DECREASE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE WITHIN THE PROVINCE. WHILE ALL JURISDICTIONS MUST
REDUCE THEIR GHG EMISSIONS, BOTH THE IPCC REPORT AND THE PARIS
AGREEMENT STATE THAT OUR EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS MUST
REFLECT OUR FAIR SHARE. THE CONSIDERATION OF
JURISDICTIONS DOING THEIR FAIR SHARE COMES FROM THE CONCEPT OF
COMMON BUT DIFFERENTIATED RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH WAS
ENSHRINED IN THE INTERNATIONALLY AGREED UPON UNITED NATIONS
FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE IN 1992.
ALMOST 30 YEARS LATER, IT REMAINS A CORE PIECE IN 18
SECTIONS OF THE IPCC REPORT AND ARTICLE 2 OF THE PARIS
AGREEMENT. ACCORDING TO THE INDEPENDENT AND
SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS OF CLIMATE ACTION TRACKER, A GHG EMISSION
REDUCTION TARGET OF 58% BELOW 2005 LEVELS IN THE YEAR 2030
WOULD REPRESENT CANADA AND ITS JURISDICTION’S FAIR SHARE.
FURTHERMORE, THIS IS THE MINIMUM NECESSARY AMOUNT REQUIRED TO BE
COMPLIANT WITH A 1.5-DEGREE GLOBAL WARMING TARGET.
FINALLY, ACCORDING TO A REPORT DONE BY ECONOMIC CONSULTANT
GARDNER PINFOLD, WE KNOW THAT NOVA SCOTIA STANDS TO BENEFIT
FROM ALMOST $9.8 BILLION IN ADDED GDP BETWEEN NOW AND 2030
IF THE PROVINCE WERE TO SET A GHG TARGET OF 58% BELOW 2005
LEVELS BY THE YEAR 2030. AND OF THAT $9.8 BILLION IN GDP,
ALMOST 6.3 BILLION WOULD BE ADDED INCOME FOR NOVA SCOTIANS.
OUR SECOND PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO SECTION 14(1) OF BILL 213,
WHICH REFERS TO PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS.
WE PROPOSE THAT IT BE AMENDED TO EXPLICITLY SPECIFY THAT THE
CONSULTATIONS BE IN-PERSON AND PARTICIPATORY.
THE IPCC REPORT STATES THAT CLIMATE CHANGE PLANNING MUST BE
INTEGRATED IN A PARTICIPATORY MANNER.
TAKING THIS APPROACH TO CONSULTATIONS WOULD INVOLVE
KNOWLEDGE SHARING, USING EXISTING COMMUNITY AND SECTOR
RELATIONSHIPS, RESPECTING AND LEVERAGING COMMUNITY STRENGTHS
AND RESOURCES, INCLUDING COMMUNITIES IN THE DESIGN OF THE
CONSULTATIONS, ENGAGING IN CO-LEARNING AND CAPACITY
BUILDING, RAISING THE VOICES OF UNDER-REPRESENTED COMMUNITIES
AND COMMUNITIES CURRENTLY SUBJECT TO ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM,
AND HOLDING CONSULTATIONS BASED IN TREATY.
ALL COMMUNITIES ARE DIFFERENT. WE KNOW THIS.
THE IPCC EMPHASIZES THIS IN ITS CALL TO ACTION TO PLACE —
SPECIFIC PATHWAYS AS THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR ALL
INCREASING THE WELL-BEING OF A PLACE.
COMMUNITIES HAVE DIFFERENT STRENGTHS, ECONOMIC REALITY IS,
POWER DIMENSIONS, EXISTING NETWORKS AND COMMUNITY GROUPS,
CONCERNS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND NEEDS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE
EDUCATION MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION.
>>The Chair: TWO MINUTES. >>THANK YOU.
THE IPCC REPORT EMPHASIZES THAT THERE WILL BE ROBUST DIFFERENCES
IN THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE BETWEEN REGIONS, AND FOR THIS
REASON ALL COMMUNITIES IN NOVA SCOTIA MUST BE ENGAGED FULLY AND
IN A PARTICIPATORY MANNER SO THAT SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT CAN
OCCUR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR DIFFERENTIATED SITUATIONS
AND REALITIES. MANY COMMUNITIES IN NOVA SCOTIA
ARE LEADERS, AND THEY ARE ALREADY PLANNING AND
IMPLEMENTING INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS.
WE URGE THE GOVERNMENT TO ENGAGE WITH THESE COMMUNITIES TO HOLD
CONSULTATIONS AND TO BUILD MOMENTUM.
FINALLY, COMMUNITY-BASED ACADEMIC RESEARCH HAS PROVEN
THAT PARTICIPATORY METHODS HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF INCREASING
TRUST, PERCEPTIONS OF LEGITIMACY AND CREATING APPROACHES TO
COMPLEX ISSUES, SUCH AS SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE
MORE LIKELY TO SUCCEED. IN CONCLUSION, WITH GHG TARGETS
BASED IN SCIENCE AND FAIRNESS, AND THEIR ROBUST INCLUSION OF
ALL COMMUNITIES AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOALS
THE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES CHALLENGE FUND AND THE CLIMATE
CHANGE CLEAN GROWTH STRATEGY, THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
GOALS ACT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR A FUTURE
WHERE ALL NOVA SCOTIANS, OUR ECO-SYSTEMS AND BIODIVERSITY CAN
THRIVE, A FUTURE WHERE THE SUCCESS OF OUR ECONOMY IS NOT AT
THE EXPENSE OF THE WELL-BEING OF OUR ENVIRONMENT OR OUR
COMMUNITIES. A FUTURE OF INCLUSION,
EMPOWERMENT, INNOVATION AND RESILIENCE.
AND THIS IS A FUTURE WORTH BEING BOLD FOR.
THANK YOU.>>The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. [ Applause ]
THANK YOU, AND AGAIN, I HAVE A ROLE HERE AS CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE THAT WE’RE NOT TO SHOW PLEASURE
OR DISPLEASURE, AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT YOU WANT TO
GIVE TO THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I AM BOUND BY THE RULES TO ASK YOU
TO DO YOUR BEST TO REFRAIN FROM THAT.
MR. MCKAY WITH A QUESTION.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
CHAIR, AND THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE
PRESENTATION AND AN EXCELLENT PACKAGE YOU’VE PROVIDED.
I THINK WE’RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT SCIENCE-BASED
DECISIONMAKING MUST DRIVE OUR DECISIONS.
I’M CURIOUS, YOU MENTIONED THE GHG EMISSIONS TARGETS, 58% BELOW
2005. I’M WONDERING IF WE WERE TO MOVE
FROM 53% BELOW THE 2005 LEVELS BY 2030 TO THE 58% BY THE YEAR
2030, YOU MENTIONED THE FIGURE 4 MEGATONNES, I BELIEVE, AND I’M
SORRY I DON’T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT HOW MANY
MEGATONNES, IF WE’RE TALKING SCIENCE, HOW MANY MEGATONNES IN
DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT BE?>>The Chair: MS. McMORRIS?
>>SO THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. A GOAL OF 53% BELOW 2005 LEVELS
RESULTS IN ABOUT 11 MEGATONNES. THAT’S WHAT WE WOULD BE EMITTING
IN THE YEAR 2030. OUR 58% AMENDMENT THAT WE’RE
SUGGESTING, WE WOULD BE EMITTING NO MORE THAN 9.8 MEGATONNES.
>>The Chair: THANK YOU. MR. MAGUIRE, CONCISE QUESTIONS,
WE DON’T HAVE MUCH TIME. I HAVE TWO OTHERS TO GET TO.
>>OKAY, JUST QUICKLY, TWO THINGS THAT POPPED OUT, FIRSTLY,
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT
QUICKLY POPPED OUT TO ME AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONTINUE
TO BUTT HEADS WITH, AND YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT HERE IN THIS —
IS OUR EMISSIONS TARGET REDUCTIONS MUST REFLECT OUR FAIR
SHARE. ONE OF THE THINGS I CONSTANTLY
HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT EITHER DON’T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE
OR PUSH BACK ON SETTING TARGETS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE
CHINA, WE STILL HAVE THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE ALL THESE HUGE
EMITTERS. SO HOW DO WE COMBAT THAT?
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT GO BACK TO KAREN AND HER TALKING ABOUT
EDUCATION IN THE SCHOOLS AND EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITIES.
AND THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS HOW IMPORTANT IS THE
PUBLIC CONSULTATION? AND I KNOW THERE IS SOME PEOPLE
THAT SAY THIS SHOULD GO IN RIGHT NOW AND THE GOALS AND EVERYTHING
SHOULD BE SET IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY, BUT HOW IMPORTANT
IS IT TO THE ECOLOGY ACTION CENTRE AND ALL THE GROUPS THAT
ARE PART OF THIS TO HAVE A LONG, YOU KNOW, INSIGHTFUL,
INFORMATIVE CONSULTATION ON THIS.
SO TWO QUESTIONS, SORRY.>>The Chair: MS. McMORRIS.
>>SORRY, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE FIRST QUESTION?
>>IT’S AROUND THE — CHINA AND —
>>YES.>>WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO START
SOMEWHERE, RIGHT?>>SO MY RESPONSE TO YOUR FIRST
QUESTION WOULD BE WE KNOW THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.
THE SCIENCE IS THERE. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CLIMATE
CRISIS. AS WE CONTINUE TO EXIST IN THIS
WORLD WHERE THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE BECOME MORE
PROMINENT, WE HAVE A CHOICE. WE CAN PREPARE OUR COMMUNITIES
SO THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE RESILIENT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE, OR WE CAN CONTINUE AS BUSINESS AS
USUAL. WE HOPE THAT EVERY COUNTRY AND
EVERY JURISDICTION GLOBALLY IS GOING TO DO THEIR FAIR SHARE.
WE HAVE HOPE, THANKS TO THE IPCC SPECIAL REPORT ON GLOBAL WARMING
AND THANKS TO THE PARIS AGREEMENT.
WE KNOW THAT IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME THERE’S AN IMMENSE
OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS OF OUR ECONOMY AS ECONOMIES HAVE TO
SHIFT. THAT’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
INNOVATION AND FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT NOVA SCOTIA DOES REALLY WELL.
SO WE CAN EITHER BE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND TAKE — BE ABLE TO
ADVANCE EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND TO BE LEADERS ON THIS, OR WE CAN BE
CHASING THE OPPORTUNITY AND NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITIES FULLY.
SO IT’S REALLY A MATTER OF ARE WE GOING TO LET OUR COMMUNITIES
DOWN AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE RESILIENT AND IT’S GOING TO BE
HARDER TO MITIGATE AND ADAPT? OR ARE WE GOING TO BE LEADERS
AND STEP FORWARD AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME GAIN THESE ECONOMIC
BENEFITS.>>The Chair: MS. CHENDER, 20
SECONDS.>>SO WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY
AROUND CONSULTATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
BEAST THAN WHAT WE’VE SEEN REFERRED TO AS CONSULTATION
AROUND THESE ACTS. AND I JUST WANT TO CHECK WITH
YOU THAT WHAT I FEEL LIKE I HEARD FROM THIS PRESENTATION,
AND THIS FROM EITHER OF YOU, IS THAT THIS KIND OF CONSULTATION
ISN’T A BOX TO TICK BUT IN FACT WE HAVE TO DO THAT COMMUNITY
BUILDING, COMMUNITY SPECIFIC WORK IN ORDER TO KIND OF MAKE
REAL THE GOALS THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS THAT ACCURATE?>>The Chair: WE’RE OUT OF TIME.
IF YOU COULD BE VERY CONCISE WITH A RESPONSE.
MS. McMORRIS. >>TO KEEP IT CONCISE,
ABSOLUTELY, AND I HAVE THE GREAT JOY IN MY JOB OF GOING AROUND
AND SPEAKING WITH COMMUNITIES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT
COMMUNITIES HAVE THE SOLUTIONS. THEY’RE BEING TALKED ABOUT AT
THE LOCAL COFFEE SHOPS, AND THEY NEED GOVERNMENT TO HEAR THEM.
AND SO THAT IS THE BEST STARTING PLACE FOR CONSULTATIONS.
>>THANK YOU.>>The Chair: GREAT.
WELL THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING IN TODAY.
APPRECIATE IT. WE’RE OUT OF TIME, SEAN, SORRY.
JON PEIRCE. WELCOME, MR. PEIRCE.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS.>>THE SUBTITLE OF THIS IS
CLIMATE CHANGE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF AN ENGLISH MAJOR.
WELCOME, MR. PEIRCE. I DID A PHD IN ENGLISH AT DAL
AND I TAUGHT ENGLISH AND HAD TO SWITCH INTO INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS, WORKED FOR A UNION FOR 11 YEARS.
NOW I’M RETIRED. I ACT, I WRITE, FICTION,
NON-FICTION, PLAYS, AND I’M INVOLVED IN THE PARISH COUNCIL
OF MY CHURCH, ST. MARGARET ANGLICAN, AND I’M INVOLVED IN
THE ENVIRONMENTAL NETWORK WHICH IS WHERE I’M MORE THAN ANYTHING
ELSE HERE TODAY. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY
PERSONAL EXPERIENTIAL. I DON’T PRETEND TO BE A
SCIENTIST, BUT I THINK WHAT I HAVE IS BASICALLY TRUE TO THE
BASIC FACTS. LET ME START BY RELATING A
PERSONAL ANECDOTE THAT MADE ME AWARE OF THE IDEA OF
ENVIRONMENTAL EMERGENCY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
AS A YOUNG ENGLISH PROFESSOR AT SUSQUEHANNA UNIVERSITY IN
PENNSYLVANIA, I WAS ONLY AN HOUR’S DRIVE FROM THE NUCLEAR
REACTOR AT THREE MILE ISLAND WHEN IT HAD ITS MELTDOWN.
THE THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT ALL BE ANNIHILATED DROVE US ALL,
FACULTY AND STUDENTS ALIKE, TO NEAR DISTRACTION, TO THE POINT
WHERE I FOUND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
AFTER A DAY OF THIS, I KNEW I COULD NO LONGER TEACH IN SUCH AN
ENVIRONMENT AND I FLED TO TORONTO WHERE MY WIFE WAS THEN
LIVING. I SPENT A WEEK THERE, NOT
RETURNING TO PENNSYLVANIA UNTIL IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE EMERGENCY
WAS OVER. IF ONLY FOR THAT WEEK, I WAS AN
ENVIRONMENTAL REFUGEE, FORTUNATE TO HAVE A SAFE HAVEN TO WHICH I
COULD REPAIR IN MY HOUR OF NEED. NOW FAST-FORWARD SOME 40 YEARS.
AS I DROVE HOME FROM CHURCH YESTERDAY, I HEARD OF THE
TERRIBLE PLIGHT FACING CALIFORNIANS.
THERE PERSISTENT WILDFIRES IN LARGE MEASURE THE RESULT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE HAVE BECOME SO SEVERE AS TO CAUSE THE STATE
UTILITY TO SHUT OFF ELECTRICITY TO NEARLY A MILLION HOMES SO
THAT ELECTRIC SPARKS FROM THE TRANSFORMERS WILL NOT WORSEN THE
FIRES. MANY HAVE ALREADY BEEN FORCED TO
EVACUATE THEIR HOMES. MANY MORE WILL BE FORCED TO DO
SO IN THE DAYS AHEAD. I DON’T EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT
THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF CALIFORNIANS WHO
WILL BE FORCED TO THE STATE’S ALREADY OVERCROWDED HIGHWAYS IN
AN ATTEMPT TO FIND SAFER CONDITIONS.
THIS IS BY NO MEANS THE FIRST CLIMATE EMERGENCY CALIFORNIA HAS
FACED. SOME YEARS AGO A DROUGHT THERE
BECAME SO SEVERE THAT EXPERTS WERE SAYING THE STATE MIGHT SOON
HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN WATER FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES AND WATER
FOR BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY. AS THE STATE’S POPULATION
INCREASES, THE LOOMING WATER SHORTAGES CAN ONLY WORSEN.
BEFORE LONG, IT MAY BE NECESSARY FOR THE STATE TO START PAYING
RESIDENTS TO LEAVE IN ORDER TO HAVE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLIES FOR
THOSE WHO REMAIN. THIS IS RIGHT NOW AND IT’S
ALREADY HAPPENING. FORTUNATELY WE HERE IN NOVA
SCOTIA ARE NOT YET IN A SITUATION AS DIRE AS THAT OF
CALIFORNIA, BUT WE’VE ALREADY SEEN CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE OF
CLIMATE CHANGE HERE AS IN THE INCREASED FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY
OF HURRICANES AND OTHER WIND STORMS, AND IN THE TEMPORARY
POLLUTION OF WHAT WERE PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED PRISTINE
WATERS OFF OF OUR SHOUTH SHORE, OUR OWN SITUATION IS BECOMING
URGENT. THE BILL BEING PROPOSED IS AN
IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN DEALING WITH THE ONGOING CLIMATE
EMERGENCY, AND I SUPPORT IT. TRUE, SOME MAY SAY THE TARGETS
SET IN THE BILL SHOULD BE HIGHER.
PERHAPS THEY SHOULD. BUT IN THE LARGER SCHEME OF
THINGS, TARGETS ARE JUST NUMBERS WHICH CAN BE MODIFIED IF
NECESSARY. WHAT’S IMPORTANT IS THAT WE ALL
RECOGNIZE THE URGENCY OF A SITUATION AND STOP THINKING TO
RULE, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE BELIEF THAT THINGS WILL SOMEHOW RETURN
TO NORMAL IF ONLY WE RIDE MORE BIKES AND USE FEWER PLASTIC
BAGS. IT WON’T.
AND THESE RETAIL MEASURES ALONE WOULD BE FAR FROM ADEQUATE TO
MEET EVEN LESS STRINGENT TARGETS THAN THE RELATIVELY MODERATE
ONES PUT FORWARD IN THE BILL. WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT
SOME OF THE BIG WHOLESALE CHANGES WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO
MAKE IF WE’RE TO HAVE ANY CHANGE OF PULLING THROUGH IT ALL.
IF THIS BILL CAN GET US TO START FOCUSING ON THESE BIG CHANGES,
AND I THINK IT CAN, THEN IT WILL HAVE DONE A MAJOR SERVICE.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEW DIRECTIONS WE SHOULD BE TAKING?
WE COULD DO WORSE THAN TO START BY TAKING A LOOK AT ONE OF THE
BILLS’ KEY PRINCIPLES: SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.
TO ME, AT LEAST, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT ENTAILS PROTECTING
WHAT ARE ARGUABLY THE PROVINCE’S TWO MOST IMPORTANT INDUSTRIES,
SEAFOOD AND TOURISM. ANYTHING THAT PUTS THESE TWO
INDUSTRIES AT RISK IS A BIG NO-NO.
THE TYPE OF RESOURCE — DEVELOPMENT THAT WE’RE SEEING IN
THE PULP MILL ALONG THE NORTHUMBERLAND STRAIT AND IN
MINES ELSEWHERE ALONG THE PROVINCE ARE PUTTING THESE
INDUSTRIES AT SERIOUS RISK. NO ONE WANTS TO EAT FISH FROM
POLLUTING WATERS, AND TOURISTS DON’T WANT TO COME TO SWIM OR
BOAT IN POLLUTED WATERS, OR TO CAMP BESIDE THEM.
SO IF WE’RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS BILL AND ABOUT TRULY SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT, BEARING IN MIND THAT WORLDWIDE FOSSIL FUELS ARE
BEING PHASED OUT, WE’RE GONNA HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE ENERGY
BUSINESS, OR AT LEAST THAT PART OF IT INVOLVING COAL OR
PETROLEUM, AND ALSO OUT OF MINING.
THE SECOND SET OF WHOLESALE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED HAS TO
DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, WHICH ACCORDING TO A RECENT STUDY IS
THE SOURCE OF 28% OF ALL CANADIAN GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. THE GREATEST PART OF THIS COMES
FROM CARS AND TRUCKS. EXCEPT TO A LIMITED EXTENT IN
METRO HALIFAX, IT’S ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE WITHOUT A CAR
IN NOVA SCOTIA. THE PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE,
WHICH WHEN I FIRST CAME TO HALIFAX AS A GRADUATE STUDENT IN
1970, PROVIDED TWICE DAILY SERVICE TO MONTREAL AND SERVICE
TO YARMOUTH AND THE ANNAPOLIS VALLEY, AS WELL AS TO EASTERN
NOVA SCOTIA AND CAPE BRETON, HAS SHRUNK TO THRICE WEEKLY SERVICE
THROUGH AMHERST AND TRURO TO HALIFAX.
THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN MAJOR REDUCTIONS IN BUS SERVICE OVER
THE YEARS. WHILE OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD,
INCLUDING EVEN PARTS OF THAT SOCIALIST HOTBED, THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA, ARE MODERNIZING AND EXPANDING THEIR
RAIL SERVICES, NOVA SCOTIA IS ON THE BRINK OF BECOMING A
TRANSPORTATION ORPHAN. WHAT’S NEEDED CLEARLY IS A MAJOR
REBUILD OF THE RAIL SYSTEM. ENTIRE DAY LINER RUNS COULD BE
PUT IN FOR THE COST OF A FEW MILES OF HIGHWAY TWINNING.
REBUILDING THE RAIL SYSTEM WOULD SET IN MOTION WHAT THE
ECONOMISTS CALL A VIRTUOUS CYCLE.
REBUILDING THE SYSTEM WOULD CREATE MANY GOOD JOBS,
MAINTAINING IT WOULD CREATE MANY MORE.
ALL THIS IN ADDITION TO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CARS AND TRUCKS ON
THE ROAD AND THE AMOUNT OF GRANHOUSE GAS EMITTED.
A DECENT PASSENGER RAIL SYSTEM WOULD SERVICE MOST PARTS OF THE
PROVINCE WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT MANY SENIORS WHO REALLY
SHOULDN’T BE DRIVING, AND BEAR IN MIND WE HAVE ABOUT THE OLDEST
AVERAGE AGE OF ANY PROVINCE IN THE COUNTRY, SHOULDN’T — MANY
SENIORS WHO SHOULDN’T REALLY BE DRIVING BUT NOW DRIVE BECAUSE
THEY REALLY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE WOULD GET OFF THE ROAD, OR AT
LEAST THEY WOULDN’T DRIVE ANY FURTHER THAN A CONVENIENCE
STORE. THIS IN TURN WOULD LEAD TO FEWER
ACCIDENTS, REDUCED HEALTH CARE COSTS, AND MORE.
YOU SEE HOW THE VIRTUOUS CYCLE PLAYS OUT THERE TOO.
FOR FAR TOO LONG RAIL HAS BEEN JUDGED BY A DIFFERENT STANDARD
THAN HIGHWAYS AND AIR TRAVEL. SUBSIDIES TO IT ARE VIEWED IN A
DIFFERENT AND FAR MORE NEGATIVE LIGHT THAN SUBSIDIES FOR ROADS
OR AIRPORTS. YET RAIL IS THE CLEANEST AND
GREENEST WAY TO TRAVEL BY A COUNTRY MILE.
JOHN A. MACDONALD BUILT THE COUNTRY BY BUILDING A
TRANSCONTINENTAL RAIL LINE. WE CAN REBUILD IT AND SAVE OUR
ENVIRONMENT IN THE BARGAIN BY REBUILDING AND MODERNIZING OUR
RAIL SERVICE, CURRENTLY AMONGST THE WORST IN ANY DEVELOPED
WESTERN COUNTRY. BUT TO DO THIS IMPORTANT JOB, WE
NEED TO STOP THINKING ON AUTOMATIC PILOT AND RECOGNIZE A
RAIL SYSTEM AS AN INVESTMENT RATHER THAN A COST.
>>The Chair: TWO MINUTES. >>THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.
WE HAVE ALL — AS INDIVIDUALS AND AS A SOCIETY SINNED AGAINST
MOTHER EARTH, AGAINST OUR OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, AND
AGAINST OUR FELLOW CREATURES AND INHABITANTS ON THE PLANET,
ANIMALS AND PLANTS ALIKE. GOING ON AS WE HAVE IS SIMPLY
NOT AN OPTION. THE RESULTS WOULD BE TOO
HORRIFIC TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE. FINDING A A NEW WAY TO LIVE IS
ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE, BUT WE MUSN’T THINK THAT THIS NEW WAY
WILL ENTAIL SACRIFICING OUR WELL-BEING.
IT WILL NOT REQUIRE US TO DON THE HAIR — OF’ SEAT SCHISM.
WE CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE WHILE HELPING TO SAVE THE PLANET.
WHAT SANE PERSON CAN SAY HE OR SHE ENJOYS DRIVING INTO DOWNTOWN
HALIFAX AND TRYING TO FIND A PARKING SPOT ON SPRING GARDEN
ROAD, OR HERE. ISN’T IT EASIER AND PLEASANTER,
NOT TO MENTION CHEAPER, TO USE PUBLIC TRANSIT TO GET TO
DOWNTOWN HALIFAX? AS FOR LONGER DISTANCE
TRANSPORTATION, WHAT SANE PERSON COULD SAY HE OR SHE ENJOYS
FLYING TO MONTREAL OR OTTAWA, PACKED IN WITH OTHERS LIKE
CATTLE BEING SENT TO THE CHICAGO STOCKYARD.
DON’T YOU THINK MANY OF US WOULD MAKE THE ENERGY AND PLAN A
SAVINGS SWITCH TO TRAIN TRAVEL FOR THIS JOURNEY IF ONLY THERE
WERE TRAINS AVAILABLE AT REASONABLE COST THAT COULD MAKE
THE JOURNEY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME FRAME?
IN OTHER WORDS, THE WAY OF LIFE IS THE BETTER WAY, THE JOYOUS
WAY. THE MONEY NEEDED TO BRING ABOUT,
LET’S NOT DENY THE AMOUNT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERABLE, SHOULD BE
VIEWED NOT AS A COST BUT AS AN INVESTMENT, ONE THAT WILL PAY
BIG DIVIDENDS IN ANYTHING BUT THE VERY SHORTEST TERM.
LET US, THEREFORE, EMBRACE THE WAY OF LIFE AND JOY
WHOLEHEARTEDLY USING THIS BILL NOT AS A BE ALL OR END ALL BUT
AS A STARTING POINT, A SPRINGBOARD FOR FURTHER
INVESTIGATION AND INQUIRY. IF WE STICK TO THE BILL’S
PRINCIPLES, LIKE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHANGES WE
MAKE BOTH INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY WE WON’T GO WRONG.
NO, THE BILL ISN’T PERFECT, BUT IT’S A GOOD START, AND I WOULD,
THEREFORE, URGE THAT IT BE PASSED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,
WITH SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED TODAY THAT I
THINK VERY HIGHLY OF. NEEDLESS TO SAY, POLITICAL WILL
IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THERE’S MONEY AND EXPERTISE MADE
AVAILABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO OUR
ECONOMY, OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND OUR AGRICULTURE
SYSTEM. WITHOUT SUCH POLITICAL WILL, ALL
THAT WILL BE DONE WILL BE OF THE NATURE OF TINKERING.
IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE BUSINESS AS USUAL, AND IT WILL IN ALL
LIKELIHOOD LEAD TO OUR DESTRUCTION.
BUT THE BILL PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION THAN WE’D BE IN WITHOUT
IT. NOW IT IS UP TO US.
THANK YOU.>>The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. PEIRCE. ANY QUESTIONS.
MS. CHENDER?>>THANK YOU, MR. PEIRCE.
IT’S REALLY NICE SITTING ON THIS COMMITTEE WHEN WE HEAR PEOPLE
COME AND BRING THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE I THINK IT
HUMANIZES THE CONCEPTS THAT WE’RE DISCUSSING.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DRING BRINGING UP THE ISSUE OF
TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT I THINK IS THE THRUST
OF YOUR COMMENTS HERE, THAT THIS NEEDS TO GUIDE A SHIFT IN OUR
THINKING THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE AREAS OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND
ACTION, AND THE REALITY IS TRANSPORTATION IS A BIT OF A
THIRD RAIL, YOU KNOW, IN PROVINCIAL POLITICS, AND ALSO
MUNICIPAL POLITICS. WE HAVE ENORMOUS ROAD PAVING
BUDGETS, AND JUST WAYS IN WHICH WE BUILD AND MAINTAIN
TRADITIONAL TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DO NOT GET
QUESTIONED, SO I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU FOR BRINGING THAT
UP AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP BEING VOCAL.
>>The Chair: MR. PEIRCE?>>I TEACH A CLASS IN TRURO,
NOVA SCOTIA, FOR SENIORS COLLEGE SOMETIMES, AND I HAVE TO DRIVE
THERE IN A CAR BY MYSELF AND BACK, 90 KILOMETRES EACH WAY.
BUT I HAVE NO CHOICE. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION THAT
WOULD LET ME GET THERE AND BACK ON THE SAME DAY.
THERE’S SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH THAT.
>>The Chair: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. PEIRCE, FOR JOINING US YOURS.
YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES. THE
>>HI, EVERYONE. MY COUNCIL OF NAMECANADIANS,
AND I LIKE ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AM A ISVISITOR ON
THESE MI’KMAW TERRITORIES, AND I SEE MY PLACE IN THIS LAW
AMENDMENTS PROCESS AS AN ROBIN ATTEMPT TO SUPPORT MI’KMAW
COMMUNITIES IN THEIR WORK TO RECLAIM SOVEREIGNTY ON THEIR
LANDS BY INTERVENING IN THIS CONIAL GOVERNMENT PROCESS.TRESS.
— COLONIAL GOVERNMENT PROCESS. I WORK FOR AN ORGANIZATION
CALLED THE COUNCIL OF CANADIANS, AND WE’RE AN
I’M ORGANIZATION MADE UP OF OVER 150,000 SUPPORTERS FROM ACROSS
THE COUNTRY WITH ABOUT 60 COMMUNITY A CHAPTERS WORKING ON
SOCIAL JUSTICE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES FROM COAST TO COAST
TO COAST. IN NOVA SCOTIA, OUR CHAPTERS
HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN THE CLIMATE AND STRUGGLE TO DEFEND LAND AND
WATER FROM IRREPARABLE HARMS OF RESOURCE EXTRACTION, INCLUDING
THETODAY. ROBIN TRESS.
WELCOME, FIGHT SOCIALAGAINST FRACKING, URANIUM MINING AND
OFFSHORE DRILLING. WE STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH A
JUSTICECOMMUNITY FIGHTING FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS TO STOP THEIR
WATERS FROM BEING USED AS A TOXIC WASTE DISPOSAL.
AND WE STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE MI’KMAW CAMPAIGNER
GRANDMOTHERS FIGHTING — GAS TO RECLAIM TITLE TO THEIR
TERRITORIES AND TRADITIONAL GOVERNANCE SYSTEMS, AND I FEEL
THE NEED TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE DAUGHTERS OF ONE OF THE
GRANDMOTHERS FIGHTING ALTON GAS IS STANDING IN THE LOBBY RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE SHE COULDN’T GET IN A TIME SLOT HERE, AND SHE’S GOT
QUITE A LOT TO SAY. I’M JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS
THE POWER TO LET KIRA GILBERT IN THIS ROOM.
SHE’S GOT SOME THINGS TO SAY THAT NEED TO BE SAID.
[ Applause ]>>The Chair: ORDER.
ORDER, PLEASE. >>THE COUNCIL OF CANADIANS —
>>The Chair: ORDER, PLEASE. AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE
GALLERY IS NOT TO SHOW PLEASURE OR DISPLEASURE UNDER THE RULES
OF THE HOUSE. I AM AWARE OF KIRA GILBERT, AND
I’M WORKING ON GETTING HER IN THIS AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU. MS. TRESS.
>>I HOPE THAT DIDN’T INTERFERE WITH MY TIME.
THE COUNCIL OF CANADIANS IS AN ORGANIZATION HELD TOGETHER BY
THE SHARED BELIEF THAT ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE.
ONE WHERE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND THE PLANET WE
LIVE AND PEOPLE ARE AFFORDED MORE RIGHTS THAN CORPORATIONS
AND THE SUPER WEALTHY. IT IS WITH THAT BELIEF THAT I
SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. WE’RE IN A CLIMATE CRISIS.
THIS CRISIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE LOGICAL CONCLUSION OF CENTURIES
OF COLONIZATION OF INDIGENOUS LANDS AND THE OPPRESSION AND
ABUSE OF THE WORLD INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
THIS COLONIZATION OF LAND AND PEOPLE HAS ENABLED THE
CUMULATION OF WEALTH BY A FEW AS A RESULT OF TAKING WEALTH FROM
THE MANY. IN THE PAST FEW DECADES,
CORPORATIONS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AMASS SUCH WEALTH THAT THEY HAVE
PAID FOR ACCESS TO INNUMERABLE GOVERNMENT DECISIONMAKING
PROCESSES AND FORUMS, INCLUDING HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA, INCLUDING
THOSE THAT ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
THIS IS THE ROOT OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS, AND WE CANNOT FORGET
THAT AS WE MAKE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS TARGETS AND
PLANS. THIS IS A CRISIS OF INEQUALITY,
WEALTH ACCUMULATION AND POLITICAL POWER THAT IS NOW
MANIFESTING AS CLIMATE CHANGE. WE NEED TO COLLECTIVELY
TRANSFORM SOCIETY FROM EXTREME INEQUALITY AND DISCONNECTION
FROM THE ECOLOGICAL CRISIS WE’RE EXPERIENCING TODAY TO A SOCIETY
THAT PRIORITIZES PEOPLE’S HEALTH, WELL-BEING, COMMUNITY
AND DIGNITY, AND RECOGNIZES THAT PEOPLE AND THE PLANET ARE
INSEPARABLE. WITH THAT IN MIND, THE TARGET
LAID OUT IN THIS LEGISLATION IS FINE, BUT IT’S NOT GREAT.
IN ORDER TO DO OUR PART TO STABILIZE 1.5ᄚ OF GLOBAL
WARMING, OUR TIMELINES SHOULD BE MUCH SHORTER.
I EXPECT THAT THE CONSULTATION PROCESS THAT THIS LEGISLATION
COMMITS TO — IN THAT PROCESS YOU’LL HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK
ABOUT A NEED FOR EVEN HIGHER AMBITION THAN IS LAID OUT IN
THIS LEGISLATION. I’M MOSTLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT
THE CONSULTATION PROCESS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN 2020.
CONSULTATION IS A PROCESS OF ASKING AND THEN LISTENING IN
ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WITHIN A COMMUNITY OR
SOCIETY. CONSULTATION IS NECESSARY WHEN
YOU HAVEN’T HEARD WHAT IS NEEDED OR WANTED.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT I REMIND YOU OF ALL THE WAYS THAT YOU
HAVE HEARD FROM US ABOUT HOW TO ACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE IN A WAY
THAT IS EQUITABLE AND WILL ADDRESS THE LONG HISTORY OF
INEQUALITY AND OPPRESSION THAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
FIRST, THE 2030 DECLARATION IS A DOCUMENT THAT IS WRITTEN AND
CONSENTED TO BY OVER 100 ORGANIZATIONS IN NOVA SCOTIA,
INCLUDING THE COUNCIL OF CANADIANS.
AND THESE ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE
FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE RACISM, POVERTY, SEXISM AND
GENOCIDE THAT COMES ALONG WITH THESE CENTURIES OF COLONIZATION
AND CAPITALISM. IT HAS ALSO BEEN CONSENTED TO BY
PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING TO CREATE THE SOLUTION TO THE INTERLOCKED
CLIMATE AND — CRISIS. THIS DECLARATION CALLS FOR THE
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS OF 50% BELOW 2030 LEVELS.
IT CALLS FOR ACTION AND LEGISLATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT
THE STRUCTURAL INEQUITIES OF RACE, GENDER, INCOME AND THE
ONGOING IMPACTS OF COLONIZATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM STILL
EXISTS IN THIS PROJECT — PROVINCE.
IT CALLS FOR A JUST TRANSITION TO CENTRE THE RIGHTS OF
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND FOLLOW THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE
HOLD UNDER THE PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP TREATIES HERE IN
MI’KMA’KI. OUR TRANSITION MUST CENTRE THE
VOICES OF MI’KMAW PEOPLE, AFRICAN NOVA SCOTIANS AND OTHER
MARGINALIZED PEOPLES AND RESPECT TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
I PULLED THESE WORDS STRAIGHT FROM THE 2030 DECLARATION.
SECONDLY, THERE ARE CLEAR CALLS FROM MAGMA AND SETTLER
COMMUNITIES ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA TO STOP PILLAGING THE EARTH FOR
FOSSIL FUELS, UNIYURM AND GOLD. IT IS ALMOST HEARTBREAKING THAT
I NEED TO SAY THAT THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STOP ALTON
GAS. IT NEEDS TO REMAIN — THIS
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REMAIN FIRM ON THE DEADLINES TO CLOSE BOAT
HARBOUR AND HELP PICTOU LANDING FIRST NATION AND THE ENTIRE
MI’KMAW NATION TO HEAL FROM DECADES AND CENTURIES OF ABUSE.
DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT REOPENING DISCUSSION ON URANIUM MINING OR
FRACKING. STOP TRYING TO MINE FOR GOLD.
WE DON’T NEED IT. IF WE PUT EQUALITY AND JUSTICE
FOR PEOPLE AT THE CENTRE OF THE PLANS OF THE FUTURE, THERE’S NO
NEED FOR ANY OF THESE DEVASTATING PROJECTS TO GO
AHEAD. THIRD, PEOPLE IN NOVA SCOTIA
HAVE BEEN SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF THE ULTRA RICH FOR 2000 LONG,
AND WE HAVEN’T BEEN SHY ABOUT TELLING YOU THAT.
WE KNOW THAT CORPORATE INTERESTS GET MORE ATTENTION FROM OUR
GOVERNMENT THAN WE DO, WHETHER IT HAS TO DO WITH MAINTAINING
AND IMPROVING HEALTH CARE OR DISCUSSING NATURAL RESOURCES OR
POLICING OR TAXES, WE KNOW THAT THIS GOVERNMENT PUTS CORPORATE
INTERESTS AHEAD PUBLIC INTERESTS EVERY TIME.
IN THE CONSULTATION PROCESS NEXT YEAR, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT
CORPORATE VOICES ARE EXCLUDED. CORPORATE INTERESTS ARE WHAT GOT
US INTO THIS MESS, AND THEY CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO MUDDY THE
WATERS OF OUR URGENT ACTION ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS THAT THIS
BILL IS TRYING TO REPRESENT. FINALLY, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT
BASED ON THE TREATIES OF PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP, THAT FREE PRIOR
AND INFORMED CONSENT OF THE MI’KMAW NATION IS MANDATORY FOR
ALL ACTIVITIES ON THIS LAND. THIS MEANS THAT GOING BEYOND THE
MADE-IN-NOVA SCOTIA PROCESS AND TOWARDS RESPECT FOR TRADITIONAL
GOVERNANCE AND COLLECTIVE RIGHTS.
I AM NOT THE ONE TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO THIS.
YOU CAN HEAR IT STRAIGHT FROM THE GRANDMOTHERS FROM ACROSS THE
MI’KMAW NATION, AND THEY ARE TELLING YOU HOW TO DO THIS
OFTEN. I’M SAYING ALL THESE THINGS SO
THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHERE CONSULTATION
SHOULD START. AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
CONSULTATION IS NECESSARY. WHEN YOU NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING
NEW OR HEAR SOMETHING NEW FROM PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE 2030 NETWORK, FROM COMMUNITIES
FACING THE IMMINENT THREATS TO OUR WATER SOURCES AND OVERALL
HEALTH. YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WE DON’T
WANT TO BE OVER-SHADOWS BY THE CORPORATE INTERESTS THAT PUT US
IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WE MUST OBEY
THE PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP TREATIES.
CONSULTATION GOES BAD WHEN IT IS USED AS AN EFFORT TO DELAY OR
WHEN YOU’VE HEARD FROM A COMMUNITY AND WE JUST DON’T LIKE
WHAT THEY SAID SO YOU KEEP ASKING UNTIL SOMEONE SAYS WHAT
YOU WANTED TO HEAR. I’M AWARE THAT THE DEMANDS THAT
THE — ARE ARTICULATING ARE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFORMING OUR ENTIRE SOCIETY HERE.
WE KNOW IT WILL BE HARD, AND THIS TRANSFORMATION WILL REQUIRE
NEW WAYS OF THINKING AND ORGANIZING OUR SOCIETY.
HOWEVER DIFFICULT THIS CHALLENGE IS, IT IS NECESSARY, AND
EVERYTHING I’VE LAID OUT REPRESENTS AT LEAST SOME OF THE
WILL OF THE PEOPLE. IN ANY GOOD CONSULTATION
PROCESS, THOSE SETTING OUT TO DO THE CONSULTING MUST FIRST DO AS
MUCH AS THEY CAN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT’S ALREADY GOING ON AND
WHAT’S ALREADY BEEN ASKED FOR SO THAT THE CONSULTATION PROCESS
CAN REVEAL SOMETHING NEW. I URGE YOU TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE
WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY COMMUNITIES LIKE THE ONES I
DESCRIBED AND MANY MORE TO ENVISION AND BUILD A NEW WAY
FORWARD THAT WE NEED SO BADLY. I URGE YOU TO USE THIS AS A
STARTING POINT. THE BASELINE FOR YOUR
CONSULTATION PROCESS, SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET SOMEWHERE IN
FIGURING OUT HOW TO TRANSFORM NOVA SCOTIA INTO A PLACE WHERE
WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH DIGNITY AND TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTION ON
CLIMATE CHANGE. WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO BACKSLIDE.
WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO REOPEN NOVA
SCOTIA TO FRACKING OR GOLD MINING OR URANIUM MINING OR
CONTINUING TO SEARCH FOR OFFSHORE OIL OR CONTINUING
ABUSING MI’KMAW DMUNTS AND THEIR LANDS AND WATERS.
I HOPE THIS CONSULTATION PROCESS FOCUSING ON THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE
AND COMMUNITIES, NOT CORPORATIONS.
I HOPE IT RESULTS IN REAL FUNDING TO MAKE THE TRANSITION
AND TRANSFORMATION OF OUR SOCIETY ACTUALLY POSSIBLE,
INCLUDING FUNDING FOR THE WORKERS WHO NEED TO RE-SKILL TO
DO THE HEAVY LIFTING THAT THIS TRANSITION REQUIRES.
I HOPE IT RESULTS IN A TASK FORCE THAT’S GIVEN THE
APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN.
WE CAN’T HAVE ANOTHER REPORT THAT GATHERS DUST ON THE
SHELVES. AND I HOPE THIS CONSULTATION
PROCESS RESULTS IN A REAL RECOGNITION OF AND REPARATIONS
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA.
PEOPLE ARE HERE TO DO THE HARD WORK OF TRANSFORMING OUR
SOCIETY. WE’VE ALREADY PROVEN THIS AS
WE’VE WRITTEN REPORT UPON REPORT, HAD MEETING UPON MEETING
TO DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED THAT TRANSFORMATION TO LOOK
LIKE. SO WE’RE HERE TO DO THE WORK,
AND WE HOPE THAT THOSE IN CONTROL OF THIS LEGISLATION ARE
AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>>The Chair: GREAT. THANK YOU, MS. TRESS.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? MS. MARTIN?>>WOW, THANK YOU.
I, FOR ONE, DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHERE WE SHOULD BE OR
WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, LISTENING TO YOU
I’M MOVED AND EXCITED TO THINK THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU
THAT ARE LEADING THE WAY AND SHOWING THOSE OF US THAT ARE A
BIT OLDER WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO, BECAUSE YOU JUST REALLY —
YOU JUST MADE A DIFFERENCE IN LISTENING TO YOU AND YOU REALLY
DID INSPIRE ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>The Chair: MS. TRESS?>>I’LL REITERATE THAT THERE ARE
PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA AND HONESTLY AROUND
THE WORLD WHO HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING THE CRISIS WE’RE
FACING NOW FOR DECADES. THEY’VE BEEN PLANNING HOW TO
MOVE BEYOND THAT. THEY’VE BEEN ASKING FOR HELP.
THEY’VE BEEN MAKING REALLY CLEAR DEMANDS ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO
OVERCOME THE CRISES THAT WE ARE ALL FACING, AND SO I JUST NEED
TO REITERATE ONE MORE TIME, LIKE, THOSE VOICES NEED TO BE
LISTENED TO, AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY OVERPOWERED BY
CORPORATE INTERESTS. SO THAT’S REALLY MY MESSAGE
HERE.>>The Chair: NO FURTHER
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. TRESS. MS. FEW ME PRESENTERS INFORMED A
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>>The Chair: OKAY, MS. SAULNIER, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>>THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
I’M CHRISTINE SAULNIER, AND I’M THE NOVA SCOTIA DIRECTOR OF THE
CANADIAN CENTRE FOR POLICY ALTERNATIVES.
AND I’M HERE TODAY, FRANKLY, BECAUSE WE OWE IT TO OUR YOUTH
TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE A FUTURE.
I SAT OUTSIDE AND JOINED THE YOUTH AS THEY HAD A SILENT
PROTEST THIS LAST FRIDAY. THEY’RE CALLING FOR BOLD
AMBITIOUS ACTION TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
IT SHOULD BE, HOWEVER, FRESH IN OUR MINDS THAT THE SEPTEMBER
PROTEST WAS THE LARGEST IN OUR HISTORY.
AS GOVERNMENT, YOU OWE IT TO THEM TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR
POWER TO TAKE SUCH ACTION. BOLD, AMBITIOUS ACTION.
UNFORTUNATELY WHAT HAS BEEN TABLED DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH.
FIRST, WITH REGARDS TO EMISSION TARGETS, SO 7(C), THE NEW
PROVINCIAL TARGET OF 11.2 OR 53% BELOW 2005 LEVELS BY 2030 NEEDS
TO GO FURTHER. THE TARGET MUST BE 9.8 MILLION
OR 58% BELOW 2005 LEVELS BY 2030.
AS A SIGNATORY TO THE 2030 DECLARATION AND A MEMBER OF THAT
NETWORK, THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO OUR CALL FOR LEGISLATED GHG
REDUCTION TARGET OF 50% BELOW 1990.
THIS TARGET REPRESENTS THE MINIMUM EMISSION REDUCTIONS
REQUIRED BY CANADIAN JURISDICTIONS IN ORDER FOR US TO
DO OUR FAIR SHARE OF KEEPING GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RISE TO BELOW
1.5. THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE EMISSIONS MORE QUICKLY WITH, FOR
EXAMPLE, THEIR WEAK CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM, WHICH BY ITS OWN
ACCOUNTING WILL ONLY REDUCE EMISSIONSES BY 6.5 MEGATONS BY 2022.
CERTAINLY A STRONGER CARBON PRICING COULD DO MORE.
HERE IS WHY IT’S IMPORTANT AND THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE.
SO WE OFTEN HEAR THAT NOVA SCOTIA’S GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS IS BELOW THE AVERAGE, BUT CANADA HAS ONE OF THE
HIGHEST EMISSIONS PER CAPITA IN THE WORLD.
>>The Chair: ORDER, PLEASE.>>[INDISCERNIBLE].
>>The Chair: AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THESE ARE THE
RULES OF THE HOUSE, AND I’M BOUND AS CHAIR TO ENFORCE THEM,
SO I’D ASK YOU TO DELETE THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
I’M SURE THE ACCREDITED MEDIA WILL GIVE US ALL THE IMAGES WE
NEED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. SAULNIER?>>NOVA SCOTIA IS, HOWEVER,
ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WHEN IT COMES TO GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS INTENSITY. THAT’S THE MEGATONS OF CO2
EMITTED PER MILLION OF GDP. CARBON PRICING IS, IN FACT, ONLY
ONE MECHANISM TO REDUCE EMISSIONS.
IT IS ONE THAT HAS SIDETRACKED DISCUSSION ON WHY WE NEED TO
FOCUS NOT ONLY ON HOW WE REDUCE OUR DEMAND FOR FOSSIL FUELS BUT
HOW WE RESTRICT THE SUPPLY. THAT MEANS A PLAN TO PHASE OUT
FOSSIL FUEL PRODUCTION, WHETHER IT’S USED DOMESTICALLY OR
EXPORTED. MY SECOND POINT IS THAT I AM
PLEASED TO SEE THAT THIS LEGISLATION IN SECTION 4 LAYS
OUT THE PRINCIPLES OF SUSTAINABILITY AND IN FACT
RECOGNIZES THAT WE HAVE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
I NOTE THE TERM SESHLG LAHR ECONOMY AND INCLUSIVE ECONOMY.
A CAUTION, AGAIN, THAT THIS DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH.
THE TERM JUSTICE APPEARS NOWHERE, AND TO DO THIS RIGHT WE
NEED A JUSTICE-BASED TRANSITION. THERE IS A RECOGNITION THAT THIS
IS NOT A ONE DEPARTMENTAL INITIATIVE BUT AN APPROACH THAT
NEEDS TO CROSS GOVERNMENT. ONE THAT USES THE SUSTAINABILITY
LENS FOR ALL GOVERNMENT DECISIONS AS IT SAYS IN SECTION
11. HOWEVER, MERELY INCLUDED THAT IN
A DEPARTMENT’S MANDATE IS TOO WEAK OF A COMMITMENT.
HOW WILL IT BE REPORTED? THIS MUST BE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST
TO THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE. THROUGH WHAT CROSS-GOVERNMENTAL
MECHANISM WILL THIS ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPACT AND BE MEASURED?
WILL THE 2020 BUDGET USE THE LENS?
WHAT IS REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THIS CLIMATE CRISIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL
REFRAMING OF WHAT WE MEASURE AND HOW AND WHO IS INVOLVED.
MY ORGANIZATION, THE CCPA, HAS DEMONSTRATED THIS FRAMEWORK FOR
GOVERNMENT BUDGETS IF YOU USE THE LENS OF SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC
JUSTICE AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.
WE SHOW YOU HOW. YOUR BUDGET CAN PRIORITIZE THESE
ISSUES AND HOW WE CAN ATTAIN THOSE GOALS.
IN FACT, EARLIER THIS YEAR WE WROTE THE FRAMEWORK FOR A NOVA
SCOTIA GREEN NEW DEAL. IF WE, AND WE MUST, PRIORITIZE
CLIMATE JUSTICE, THEN WE MUST, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE THE GOALS AND
TARGETS THAT EXPLICITLY STATE THAT WHILE WE MOVE TOWARDS
SUSTAINABLE CONSUMPTION AND PRODUCTION WE MUST ALSO SEEK TO
END POVERTY AND IMPROVE WELL-BEING BY ENSURING BETTER
HEALTH AND HOUSING AND SEEKING TO REDUCE INEQUALITY, THE ONE
TARGET AND THE OTHER MUST COME TOGETHER.
WE MUST, IN FACT, PRIORITIZE WHAT IS CALLED A JUST
TRANSITION. THAT INCLUDES SUPPORTS FOR
WORKERS IN THOSE SECTORS WHERE WE NEED INCOME SUPPORT, WHERE WE
NEED SKILLS RE-TRAINING, AND WHERE WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT IN AFFECTED COMMUNITIES AS THEY UNDERGO THE
TRANSITION TO A CLEANER ECONOMY. WE HAVE LOTS OF LESSONS WE CAN
LEARN FROM CAPE BRETON ON THIS FRONT.
A CLIMATE JUSTICE APPROACH GOES FURTHER.
IT GOES TO ENSURING THAT THE UNDERLYING SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC
INEQUITIES ARE ADDRESSED. WITHOUT AN EXPLICIT FOCUS FOR
THIS TRANSITION, IT WILL RISK MAKING THESE INEQUITIES WORSE.
LET’S INSTEAD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT ALL
THOSE WHO FACE COSTS AND RISKS FROM THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND THE
POLICIES TO ADDRESS IT ACTUALLY SHARE IN THE BENEFITS OF THE
TRANSITION. MY THIRD POINT IS IN TERMS OF
THE ACT I SEE THAT THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED — PROPOSAL TO
ESTABLISH A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES CHALLENGE FUND THAT
SECTION 9.1. I DO COMMEND THIS BUT WITH A
CAVEAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SUPPORT DIRECTED TO THOSE
COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY
THE EFFECTS OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE DECIDE WHO GETS THE FUNDING THAT
WE DECREASE THE BARRIERS THEY HAVE TO PARTICIPATING.
WE NEED TO ENSURE INDIGENOUS-LED INITIATIVES, AFRICAN-NOVA
SCOTIAN-LED INITIATIVES. WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE EFFECT
THEY HAVE IMPACTED THEM IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM IN HIGH
POVERTY RATES. FOURTH, I DO WANT TO COMMEND,
AGAIN, THE GOVERNMENT FOR REQUIRING PUBLIC CONSULTATION.
THAT’S SECTION 14.1. BUT THESE CONSULTATIONS, AS YOU
HAVE HEARD, MUST BE MEANINGFUL. THEY MUST BE PARTICIPATORY.
THEY CAN’T BE FLIP CHART, STICKY NOTE ONE-OFF COMMUNITY MEETINGS
WHERE THE SAME PEOPLE ATTEND AND THE SAME INTERESTS DOMINATE.
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND RECONCILIATION, IN FACT, MUST BE
AT THE CENTRE OF THIS. AT THE CENTRE OF THE DEVELOPMENT
OF YOUR CLIMATE ACTION PLANS. IT MUST REQUIRE GOING FAR BEYOND
CONSULTATION TO THE RESPECT FOR INDIGENOUS RIGHTS AND TREATIES
AND LEADERSHIP. OUR YOUTH DESERVE A SAY THAT
ACCOMMODATES THEM, GOES TO THEM AND THEIR SPACES.
ALL THOSE WHO ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY NEGATIVELY
IMPACTED WITH THE CLIMATE JUSTICE LENS MEANS THEY ARE
PRIORITIZED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I’M
REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BROADER.
I’M TALKING ABOUT GOVERNANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT NEEDS TO
BE STRENGTHENED. THERE IS A LOT OF CYNICISM OUT
THERE ABOUT GOVERNMENTS NOT KEEPING THEIR PROMISES.
MUCH OF IT IS VERY WELL FOUNDED IN EVIDENCE, UNFORTUNATELY.
OUR ELECTORAL SYSTEM MAKES IT SEEM AS IF A GOVERNMENT HAS THE
SUPPORT OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHEN IN REALITY IT CAN HAVE FAR LESS
THAN EVEN HALF THE VOTERS SUPPORTING IT, BUT IT CAN MAKE
DECISIONS UNILATERALLY. WHILE I DO NOT EXPECT, AND I
KNOW THIS IS NOT PART OF THE LEGISLATION, FOR YOU TO
PRIORITIZE ELECTORAL REFORM I WOULD RECOMMEND IT.
I DO RECOMMEND, HOWEVER, THAT YOU CONSIDER PLACING MORE OF THE
STIPULATIONS THAT ARE TO BE IN REGULATIONS IN KEEPING IT INTO
THE LEGISLATION.>>The Chair: TWO MINUTES.
>>WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT AT LEAST ALL OF OUR ELECTED
REPRESENTATIVES, THOSE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE, HAVE A
SAY. SECTION 14.2 THAT STATES ALL THE
AREAS FOR WHICH REGULATIONS MAY BE MADE IS VERY BROAD AND SHOULD
BE NARROWED AND KEPT IN THE LEGISLATION.
INDEED, MY SUBSTANTIVE REGULATION IS THAT INSTEAD OF
THAT SECTION, WHICH STATES THE MINISTER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
GENERAL SUPERVISION AND MANAGEMENT OF THIS ACT AND THE
REGULATIONS, THAT INSTEAD THERE BE A PROVISION SET UP FOR AN
INDEPENDENT CLIMATE ACCOUNTABILITY BODY, ONE THAT
DOES THE AUDITS, REPORTS ON TARGETS AND TIMELINES.
IT WOULD BE ARM’S LENGTH FROM GOVERNMENT AND REPORT DIRECTLY
TO THE ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.
THE ROUND TABLE, IN MY OPINION, DOESN’T MEASURE UP.
IT CERTAINLY DOESN’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
STRENGTHENING GOVERNANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY ALLOWS THE PUBLIC
TO HAVE MORE ACCESS AND INFORMATION IN THE PROCESSES.
THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS ARE THOSE THAT ARE ALSO
UNDERMINING OUR DEMOCRACY. I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO
STRENGTHEN OUR DEMOCRACY WHILE TAKING BOLD AND AMBITIOUS
SCIENCE-BASED ACTION TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
WE OWE IT TO OUR YOUTH. THANK YOU.
>>The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SAULNIER.
MS. MARTIN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK
YOU, CHRISTINE, FOR THE INFORMATION AND THE
PRESENTATION. YOU REFERENCED CAPE BRETON.
I WONDER IF YOU COULD GIVE ME SOME MORE DETAIL.
I’M SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT FOR THE
BENEFIT OF THE COMMITTEE?>>The Chair: MS. SAULNIER?
>>THANK YOU. SO I SAID THERE’S LOTS OF
LESSONS WE CAN LEARN FROM CAPE BRETON, OF COURSE AS WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT THE ONLY REPORT REALLY THAT HAS LOOKED AT JUST
TRANSITION HAS BEEN AROUND COAL. …>>I’M THINKING ABOUT THE …
The Chair: DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT? NO. ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? MS. CHENDER.>>YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING
WHICH NUMBER OF PRESENTERS RAISED. A CORE CONCERN OF OURS
WHICH IS AROUND THE AMOUNT THAT’S LEFT TO REGULATION IN
THIS BILL. COULD YOU SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SEE . WHAT WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SEE IN THIS LEGISLATION?>>THANK YOU. MY OVERALL
COMMENT IS REALLY THAT THERE IS A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN
THIS. WHETHER IT’S LOOKING AT HOW MUCH IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF
THE LEGISLATIVE FRAMEWORK AND PUT INTO REGULATIONS WHICH MEANS
THAT THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY DOESN’T HAVE A SAY IN A LOT OF WHAT’S
GOING TO BE GOING ON IN TERMS OF WHAT THEN IS THE DEVIL IN THE
DETAILS IN TERMS OF REGULATION. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE NARROW
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO MORE PEOPLE, MORE REPRESENTATIVES
HAVE A SAY IN ESSENCE. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS AT THE END OF
THE DAY, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE
DISCUSSION, AT THE SURROUND TABLE ISN’T SUFFICIENT IF WE ARE
TAKING OUT AS MUCH AS IT SEEMS OUT OF THE LEGISLATION AND
PUTTING IT INTO REGULATION, WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN SOME OTHER
ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM TO ENSURE GOVERNMENT STAYS ON
TARGETS AND TIMELINES. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A
VERY TIMELY REPORTING TO THE HOUSE, BUT THAT IS IT IS
INDEPENDENT. IF WE CAN’T DO BOTH, AND PROBABLY WE SHOULD DO
BOTH, THAT IS, ENSURE WE HAVE MORE SAY IN WHAT GOES INTO THE
REGULATION. THAT THEY ARE NARROWER. WE HAVE A STRENGTH
AND ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM. The Chair: THANK YOU. NO
FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SAULNIER. MR. GEOFF
LeBOUTILIER . The Chair: WELCOME,
MR. LeBOUTILIER. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>>JUST A VERY BRIEFLILY, MY NAME IS GEOFF LeBOUTILIER.
I’M PRESENTING THE ST. MARGARET’S BAY STEWARDSHIP
ASSOCIATION. REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE OF ST. MARGARET’S BAY.
INVOLVED WITH QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES ON THE BAY FROM CITY
PLANNING, TAXATION, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND OTHER.
WHEN WE WERE CALLED UPON TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, IT WAS VERY
SHORT NOTICE, AS YOU KNOW. AND ACTUALLY I WENT ON-LINE. I
FOUND FILE NOT FOUND WHEN I WANTED TO REVIEW THE BILL
ITSELF. I DID FINALLY FIND IT. IT IS THERE, BUT IT WAS
DIFFICULT TO FIND. THE TIME TO PREPARE WAS VERY BRIEF. IT WAS
A BIT GULLING FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTERS FROM THE
BEGINNING. GREAT ADMIRERS OF BOTH MARK PARENT, THE THEN
MINISTER, AND BILL LAHEY. AS YOU KNOW, ALL THREE PARTIES
SUPPORTED EXPA. IT WENT FORWARD WITH THAT ANONYMITY. I HOPE –
I WOULD HOPE THIS BILL COULD GO FORWARD WITH THE BROAD-BASED
SUPPORT. BUT IT SEEMS UNLIKELY BECAUSE THE BILL ITSELF IS VERY
GENERAL. THE NATURAL RESOURCE STRATEGY WHICH CAME FROM EXPA
ENDED UP BEING A ROAD MAP FOR ALL OF US. AND WAS CALLED FOR
IN EXPA. WHEREAS THE EQUIVALENT NOW. THEY WERE ENTERING THE
EDGE. WHERE IS THE EQUIVALENT ROAD MAP AND I WAS HOPING AS I
SAT DOWN TO READ THIS, THAT’S WHAT I WOULD DISCOVER. SO, SO
IN THE FACE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, ALL THE THINGS THAT MS. SAULNIER
QUOTED, THE BILL IS SILENT ON THOSE HARD GOALS AND SO ONE
THING THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME. I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN PROTECTION
OF WETLANDS AT THE TIME, IN THE EARLY DAYS OF EXPA. NOW THIS IS
SILENT ON WETLANDS. UNLESS IT ESCAPED MY NOTICE. SO I’M
WORRIED ABOUT THE SAME THINGS THAT MS. S AND YOU SAUL IN HER. – MS.
SAULNIER. THE STEWARDSHIP ASSOCIATION, WHICH ARE NOT
INCLUDED IN THE BILL. NOTABLY FORESTRY, WHICH ISN’T THERE.
THE ABILITY OF THE FOREST TO SEQUESTER CARBON AND
CAPITALIZING ON THAT. THESE ARE THINGS WHICH WE SHOULD BE
TARGETING FOR THE NEXT PERIOD. EX PA WILL DIE. THERE IS
NOTHING TO REPLACE IT. HOW WILL WE HAVE A ROAD MAP? OFFSHORE
PETROLEUM IS AN ISSUE THAT IS REALLY, REALLY ON THE AGENDA OF
THE STEWARDSHIP ASSOCIATION. YOU HAVE 300 MUNICIPALITIES ON
THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES CALLING FOR AN INQUIRY
AND CALLING FOR CHANGES IN HOW THE OFFSHORE IS REGULATED IN THE
UNITED STATES. AND THERE ARE NOW 12 MUNICIPALITIES IN NOVA
SCOTIA THAT ARE CALLING FOR THE SAME SORT OF THING. AND YET
THIS BILL IS SILENT ON OFFSHORE PETROLEUM AND THE REGULATION OF
OFFSHORE PETROLEUM. WILL WE CONTINUE TO HAVE REPRESENTATION
OF THE OIL INDUSTRY OR BE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE WAY THAT
WE GOVERN AND THOSE THINGS AND REGULATE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE
SO IMPORTANT TO US. THE LIST – THERE ARE MANY THINGS WHICH
COULD BE MENTIONED. SOME OF WHICH I’M SURE ALL OF WHICH
YOU’LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM YOUR VARIOUS INTERVENORS. THE WORD
SUSTAINABLE ITSELF IS OVERUSED. I THINK PEOPLE SEE IT IN BYLINES
IN COMMERCIALS NOW. I HATE TO SEE PRINCIPLE PHILOSOPHY TO
SUFFER THE SAME FATE. IT’S GOT TO BE MORE THAN A SOFT SOAP
DODGE SO WE CAN CONTINUE DOING THINGS AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
IN NOVA SCOTIA. THIS BILL IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS
DIFFERENTLY. AND I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. WE NEED GUTS. GRETA HAS THROWN
DOWN THE GAUNTLET. THE BILL IS NOT ENOUGH. IT’S A STEP BACK
FROM THE BRAVE WORK OF PARENTS AND LAHEY AND THE OTHER PARTIES
AT THE TIME. IN PARTING WE MUST TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE POWERS
AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE ROUNDTABLE CALLED FOR IN THE
ENVIRONMENT ACT. IT’S THE KERNEL OF A GREAT IDEA NEVER
REALIZED FOR ITS POTENTIALLY. IT’S HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS
INDUSTRY, WE FIND. ITS MEMBERS, ARE POINTED BY THE MINISTER AND
OTHER THAN THE ANNUAL EXPA REVIEW, THE ROUNDTABLE SEEMS TO
BE. I HAVE NEVER SERVED ON THE ROUNDTABLE, IT SEEMS TOOTHLESS
AND SHOULDN’T BE. THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING
MORE. THAT’S THE CONCLUSION OF MY COMMENTS.
The Chair: MR. LOHR.>>THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS,
GEOFF. WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY ST. MARKING FROM THE TIME’S
BAY ASSOCIATION DOESN’T SUPPORT THE BILL AS WRITTEN BUT WOULD
LIKE TO SEE IT MORE IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL EXPA ACT?
The Chair: MR. LEBOUTHILLIE R?
>>YES, THAT’S TRUE. IT’S MISSING OPPORTUNITIES. –
LeBOUTILIER. The Chair: MR. LOHR,
FOLLOW-UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
>>THANK YOU. The Chair: MIKE LANCASTER. MR. LANCASTER.
>>I HAVE THE TASK OF PRESENTING AFTER TWO EXCELLENT
PRESENTATIONS. I HOPE I’M NOT JUDGED BY HOW GOOD THEY WERE. I
AM REPRESENTING THE HEALTHY FOREST COALITION. I MET IN THE
PAST AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FORESTRY ISSUES AND HOW WE LOOK
AT THEM AND LONG-TERM VISION WE HAVE FOR FOREST ECOLOGY AND
INDUSTRY. A LOT OF WHAT WE SAW IN EXPA WE WISH WAS GREATER
REFLECTED IN THIS PROPOSED ACT. I THINK THE REMOVAL OF A LOT OF
HARD TARGETS, ENVIRONMENTAL CONVERSATION WOULD CONSERVATION. COMMITTING TO
17%, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL TARGET. WE BELIEVE THAT SHOULD
BE ENSHRINED IN THE ACT TO UPHOLD OUR END OF THE BARGAIN ON
A NATIONAL SCALE. NOVA SCOTIA IS CURRENTLY JUST CROSSED OVER
THE 13% THRESHOLD. SORRY, JUST UNDER THAT THRESHOLD. SO IT
SEEMS LIKE IT’S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS GOOD
NEIGHBOURS TO UPHOLD THAT END OF THE BARGAIN AND NOT EXPECT THE
REST OF THE COUNTRY TO BRING THAT UP. I THINK IT’S SOMETHING
THAT IS A BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION THAT GROUPS LIKE OURS ARE QUOTE
ANTI-FORESTRY. YOU SEE THE MOVEMENT THAT’S HAPPENING ACROSS
THE PROVINCE. NOVA SCOTIA NEEDS FORESTRY. AND I THINK WHERE THE
MISCONCEPTION LIES IS THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN ADVOCATING FOR
NO FORESTRY. I THINK THAT HEALTHY FOREST INDUSTRY AND, I
DON’T KNOW WHO IS ASKING WHETHER OR NOT NOVA SCOTIA NEEDS
FORESTRY. I THINK SOMEBODY ASKING THAT QUESTION DOESN’T
KNOW RURAL ECONOMIES. IT’S VITALLY IMPORTANT WE GET OUR
FOREST ECOLOGY ISSUES RIGHT TO SUPPORT A HEALTHY FOREST
INDUSTRY. IT’S A LONG-TERM GOAL THAT’S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW
FOR ANY GOVERNMENT KNOWING THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE DECADES AND
CENTURIES, NOT PERIODS OF FOUR YEARS. I DON’T ENVY THE
CHALLENGE YOU GUYS HAVE IN MAKING LEGISLATION THAT WILL
DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. IT’S SOMETHING WE CAN’T KEEP PASSING
THE BUCK ON NOW. IT’S ONLY THROUGH INVESTING IN A HEALTHY
FOREST ECOLOGY WE’LL BE ABLE TO GET TO A SUSTAINABLE AND HEALTHY
FOREST INDUSTRY. THAT’S NOT DEPENDENT ON THE LOWER GRADE
HARVEST THAT WE’RE KIND OF FOREST INDUSTRY IS INTEGRATED
INTO NOW. THE MORE WE INVEST IN THE LONGER TERM PLANNING FOR
THAT TYPE OF OUTCOME, THE BETTER OFF FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL BE.
THE MORE CLOSELY WE’LL BE ADHERING TO THAT CONCEPT AND
LIVING SEVEN GENERATIONS FROM NOW. FORESTRY CAN’T HAPPEN ON A
SCALE OF DECADES. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON A SCALE OF CENTURIES
TO MEET THOSE OUTCOMES. IN GENERAL, HEALTHY FOREST
COALITION AGREES WITH THE 12 GOALS BY THE ACTION CENTRE. I
WAS WAITING DO YOU UNDERSTAND DOWNSTAIRS. I’LL
BRING THOSE FORWARD IN MY SUBMISSION. I WON’T REPEAT THEM
HERE. I THINK THE BIG ONE THAT I’M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, AS I
SAID, WAS THE 17%. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT I’M MOST
SUPPORTIVE OF THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAHEY
REVIEW. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW FORESTRY
PRACTICES. IT’S SOMETHING I HOPE AS EVEN AS A PUBLIC PERSON
IN NOVA SCOTIA, I HOPE WE DON’T HAVE TO BE LOOKING TEN YEARS
DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOKING AT ANOTHER MULTI MILLION DOLLAR
REVIEW TO GIVE US THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD IN THE
NATURAL RESOURCES STRATEGY AND THE LAHEY REVIEW. IT’S NOT
CONSERVATIVE WAY TO MANAGE THE PUBLIC FUNDS TO HAVE TO SPEND
THIS MUCH MONEY TO TELL US THINGS WE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW.
SEEING THE LAHEY REVIEW COMPLETELY ENSHRINED INTO SOME
KIND OF ACT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. I DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS THE ACT
TO DO IT. BUT TO KIND OF STOP WAFFLING AN ISSUES WE’RE BEING
FORCED TO. THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING
CURRENTLY. A LOT OF INITIATIVES IN PLACE. IT SEEMS SLOW. IT
ALL SEEMS LIKE PROGRESS IS KIND OF TRUDGING ALONG WHEN WE’RE
TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL RATHER THAN MOVING FORWARD WITH
VERSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED TO WORK BOTH IN
PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND PLACES LIKE MAINE. THEY HAVE MORE
ESTABLISHED HISTORY OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SUSTAINABLE FORESTRY.
I THINK IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE GREATER LEVEL OF ENSHRINEMENT OF
FORESTRY INDUSTRY AND ECOLOGY PUT INTO THE ACT THE BETTER. AS
I SAY, UNEVENVIABLE TASK TO KNOW HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD. –
EXPERTS CAN SPEAK TO THAT THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT IN A
ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS IMPLEMENTED
IN THE ACT MOVING FORWARD. MOST PART, CONCEPTUALLY THAT’S WHAT I
WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THERE’S MORE OF A HARD
TARGET SET FOR A LOT OF THESE. THE ENVIRONMENT STILL REMAINS AT
THE FOREFRONT. REMOVAL OF THE NAME IS ODD TO DO. WE NEED TO
ENSURE THE SUSTAINABILITY PROSPERITY, I DON’T SEE HOW THAT
CAN’T BE TIED INTO ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECOLOGICAL. WE NEED TO
STEWARD AS SOMETHING A COMPONENT OF US. IF WE DON’T HAVE HEALTHY
ENVIRONMENT, ECOLOGY, THEN WE DON’T HAVE HEALTHY HUMANS. IT’S
NOT A SEPARATE ISSUE TOLE ME. THEY’RE ALL TIED — ISSUE TO ME.
THEY’RE ALL TIED IN.
SUSTAINABILITY IS UP TO INTERPRETATION. THEY NEED TO BE
SET WITH HARD TIMELINES AND THE ABILITY TO REACH THEM. THAT’S
ABOUT IT. The Chair: GREAT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR. LANCASTER. QUESTIONS. MS. CHENDER.
>>THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND ALSO FOR THAT
DISTINCTION AROUND HEALTHY FORESTS AND HEALTHY FORESTRY
VERSUS NO FORESTRY. ALSO FOR THE REMINDER OF THE LAHEY
REPORT. THIS ISN’T THE FIRST REPORT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS
THAT WAS GREAT, ACTUALLY, AND INVOLVED A LOT OF EXPERTS. IT
WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE GOVERNMENT. I THINK THE IDEA
THAT THAT MOVES IN A MEANINGFUL WAY INTO OUR LEGISLATION IS A
GREAT SUGGESTION. BOTH YOU AND MR. LeBOUTILIER WHO SPOKE
BEFORE YOU MENTIONED THE ABSENCE OF FORESTRY SPECIFICALLY IN THE
ACT. ASIDE FROM THE EAC RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WE DO HAVE
AS PART OF THEIR SUBMISSION, IS THERE A SPECIFIC WAY YOU WOULD
SEE THAT INCORPORATED? The Chair: MR. LANCASTER.
>>I ALWAYS HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH BREAKING DOWN. I HAVE A
FORESTRY BREAKDOWN. I HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH MAKING THE
TECHNICAL – The Chair: MS. CHENDER.
>>EVEN IN SPIRIT WITHOUT ASKING YOU TO DRAFT AN AMENDMENT.
GENERALLY. The Chair: MR. LANCASTER.
>>IN GENERAL, BROAD CONCEPT, A MOVE TOWARDS ECOLOGICALLY-BASED
PRACTICE IS. THE FORESTRY STATED THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY
DOING THAT. TO REVAMP THE FOREST MANAGEMENT GUIDE, THERE
WAS AN ADMISSION THAT THAT’S WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARD,
SAYING THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. AS I SAY, WE DON’T NEED
TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. THERE ARE EXPERTS ON THE LAHEY REVIEW
THAT KNOW AND HAVE TRIED AND TESTED THESE INITIATIVES.
THERE’S A LOT OF EASY WAYS WE JUST DON’T NEED TO REINVENT.
BUT TAKE OTHER SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES AND IMPLEMENT THEM INTO
PRACTICES. TOO MUCH OF A – THE OUTCOMES OF LAHEY REVIEW ON
RETENTION WHICH DON’T MEET ECOLOGICAL OR BIO DIVERSE
OUTCOMES. MORE VOLUME IS BEING LEFT. DOESN’T MEAN WE’RE
MEETING CONSERVATION GOALS. THERE’S TECHNICAL NUANCES. IT’S
NOT A BROADER STATEMENT. IN THE BROADEST AND SIMPLIEST WAY, LESS
CLEAR CUTTING. The Chair: THANK YOU. ANY
FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. LANCASTER. BEFORE WE
PROCEED, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE JUST A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE’RE
A BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. I THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO TAKE A
BREAK. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU.
[BREAK] The Chair: ORDER, PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE OUR YOU FOR
YOUR, EVERYONE’STHE INFORMATION THOSE
WATCHING AND THOSE IN THE GALLERY, WHAT WE HAVEWORKING ON
IS A SOLUTION TO THE NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT
ABLE TO GET ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TAKES US TO
ABOUT WITH THE HOUSE SITTING AT 6:00. SO I CONSULTED
WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND WITH OUR HOUSE LEADERS AT HOUSE, AND
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS CONTINUE THIS MEETING AND RUN IT
INTO THE CONCURRENTLY WITH THE HOUSE. AND SO I HAVE
ASKED LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL TO OUT TO THE 43 FOLKS THAT
CONTACTED US BEFORE NOONWANTING TO PRESENT AT THE
COMMITTEE. AND WE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT SIX AN HOUR
THAT WILL GET US THROUGH EVERYONE BEFORE 11:00 OR
12:00 TONIGHT. THINK I HAVE SUPPORT, UNANIMOUS SUPPORT
OF THE COMMITTEE TO ASK LEG COUNCIL TO CONTACT THOSE FOLKS
CONTACTED US GIVING THEM UP TO TEN MINUTE, MAYBE A FIVEFIVE.
UP TEN TO PRESENT. THEN WE CAN HEAR FROM
EVERYONE THAT WISHES TO PRESENT AT THIS COMMITTEE. SO UNANIMOUS
CONSENT OF THIS COMMITTEE TO EXTEND INTO THE EVENING
UNTIL WE ARE THROUGH THOSE 43 NAMES. WE’RE ALSO ASKING FOLKS
TO COME EARLY BECAUSE WE CAN PICK UP TIME. I WASTALKING TO A
GENTLEMAN HEREWANTS COME AND PUT HIS TWO
CENTS WORTH IN IN TWO MINUTES. AND IF WE CAN HAVE FOLKS ARRIVE
EARLY, WE CAN KEEP THINGS FLOWING AND HEAR EVERYONE.
WITH THAT, LET’S CONTINUE ON WITH MS. KURE. IS MS. KURE IN
THE ROOM? GREAT. WELCOME, MS.
KURE. YOU HAVE UP TO TEN MINUTES AND THE FLOOR YOURS.
>>THANK YOU. FOR THE YEAR, MADE IT MY FULL JOB
TO EDUCATE MYSELF ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS, WAY OUR
SOCIETY AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS DRIVING US TOWARDS SPECIES
EXTINCTION AND BIO BIODIVERSITY. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY.
IT IS GOOD YOU HAVE DECLARED A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. NOW ASK
RESPECTFULLY ACT LIKEIN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. THE
WORLD HAS ARE IN AN EMERGENCY OF CATASTROPHIC NATURE
OVER A YEAR NOW ANDSCIENTISTS HAVE KNOWN WE WERE
HEADING HERE FOR 30 YEARS. THERE IS TIME WASTE.
THEREFORE I AM IMPLORING YOU TO STRONGER TARGETS FOR
REDUCTION OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. NORWAY HAS COMMITTED
TO A 2030 TARGET FOR NET ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS. THIS IS IN
WITH THE URGENCY OF THE GLOBAL SITUATION. BILL 213
FOR NET ZERO BY 2050 WHICH IS IN LINE WITH
REPORT. HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE IPCC
REPORT IS A CONSERVATIVE PAPER BASED ON CONSENSUS. THAT MEANS
THERE IS NO FOR ERROR. NO SAFETY NET. IT IS PRUDENT
WHEN DEALING THE LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION, TO USE THE
PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE AND ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY. THERE
HAVE BEEN MANY INSTANCES WHERE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAS MISSED
OWN DEADLINES AND TARGET DATES IN PAST. FOR
INSTANCE, THIS VERY BILL ORIGINALLY NAMED EXPA,
ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY PROSPERITY ACT
FROM 2007, WAS DUE FOR REVIEW AND REDEFINITION IN BY
THE BILL 213 IMPLEMENTED, IT BE TWO TO THREE YEARS OVERDUE. THIS SHOULD SIGNAL WE
CANNOT AFFORD TO ASO FAR OFF BECAUSE MUST DO
MORE TO HUMANITY. NEED A SAFETY NET IN CASE WE
MISS THE GOAL. EXAMPLES MISSING DEADLINESGOVERNMENT.
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT COMMITTED TOCUTTING
TO 50%. TO 50% OF ALL CUTTING IN 2010. HOWEVER, NINE
YEARS LATER, APPROXIMATELY 90% OF CUTTING ARE STILL
CLEARCUTS. PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAD RELEASEDPROTECTED
AREAS PLAN FOUR YEARS LATER IMPLEMENTING THE
PLAN IS STILL SCHEDULE. PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAD
COMMITTED TO STOP CUTTING OLD GROWTH FOREST ON CROWN LAND, BUT
THAT HAPPENS. NOTE THAT THE TIPPING POINT OF THE
CLIMATE PRETTY CRISIS ARE HAPPENING FASTER THAN SCIENTIST
EFFECT. A FEEDBACK LOOP AND MAKES THE CRISIS SPEED UP.
AGAIN, MEANS WE A SAFETY NET IN TARGETS. SO
YOU CAN WE NEED TO SET STRONGER TARGETS FOR NET ZERO
CARBON EMISSIONS SO THAT WEGET THE JOB DONE CORRECTLY ON
TIME. OTHERWISE, WE ARE RISKING OUR LIVES. PLEASE COMMITTEE TO
NET ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS BY 2030, FOLLOW THE OF NORWAY.
WHILE IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS TO INCLUDE PROPER AND FAIR
CONSULTATION WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND CITIZENS, PLEASE BE
THAT CONSULTATION DOES NOT CAUSE DELAYS ON THE MOST
IMPORTANT, MOST OBVIOUS REMEDIES TO CRISIS. FOR EXAMPLE,
THESE STEPS SHOULD BE TAKEN IMMEDIATELY. STOP ALL FOSSIL
FUEL DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING OFFSHORE OIL AND GAS, AND STOP
BURNING COAL AS SOON POSSIBLE. STOP CLEAR CUTTING
FORESTS. REMOVE BIO MASS FOR ELECTRICITY THE RENEWABLE
ENERGIES LIST BECAUSE BIO MASS FOR ELECTRICITY HAS BEEN PROVEN
TO BE DIRTIER THAN COAL. ZERO GOLD MINES IN NOVA SCOTIA.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR WATER.NO OPEN FISH FARMS. NEED
MEANINGFUL PROTECTION OF OUR COASTAL AND MARINE WATERS FOR
THE PURPOSE OF GUARANTEEING HEALTHY MAINE ECOSYSTEMS THAT
WILL ENSURE A HEALTHY CLIMATE. WE KNOW THE OCEAN IS A CLIMATE REGULATOR. COMMIT STRONGER
PROTECTED AREAS TARGETS AND FOREST AND OCEAN CONSERVATION
AND PROTECTION. PROTECT BIODIVERSITY THROUGH
CONSERVATION AND RESTORATION. MONO ARE NOT RESIST RESISTANT
DISEASE. STOP SPRAYING. IT HAS PROVEN CARCINOGENIC AND
DOES NOT PROTECT BIO BIODIVERSITY.
LOCALIZE OUR FOOD SYSTEMS FOR FOOD SECURITY AND END LARGE
SCALE AGRICULTURE. THESEJUST A FEW EXAMPLES. THESE ARE
ALL SAFE AND IMPORTANT MEASURES TO TAKE AS SOON POSSIBLE. WE
MUST TRANSITION TO REAL RENEWABLE ENERGY AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE SUCH AS WIND SOLAR AND IT MUST BE A SOCIALLY JUST
TRANSITION WITHOUTRACISM. PLEASE NOTE THE MUSKRAT
FALLS PROJECT FLOODED LAND WITH MERCURY.
THE ENERGY AGENCY RELEASED A REPORT THAT SAYS THAT OFFSHORE
WIND FARMS CAN PROVIDE MORE ELECTRICITY THAN THE WORLD
NEEDS. NOVA SCOTIA IS WINDY PLACE. PLEASE INSERT WORDING
INTO BILL 213 TO ENSURE THAT ANNUAL REPORTS ASSESS THE
ADEQUATELY OF GOALS IN THE BILL. CAN CURRENT AND
EVIDENCE-BASED AS THE YEARS GO ON SINCE WE KNOW THE CLIMATE
HAS A TO HAPPEN FASTER THAN WE EXPECT. FINALLY,
I ASK YOU RETURN THE WORD ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS TO THE ACT.
MUST BASE NEXT FIVE YEARS ON PRESERVING AND RESTORING THE
ENVIRONMENT CAN DO OUR FAIR SHARE TO PROTECT HUMANITY.
THE ECONOMY WILL GROW BY MAKING A GREEN TRANSITION IF DONE
CORRECTLY. BUT WE MUST PUT THE SAFETY OF HUMANITY AT TOP OF
THE LIST. NOVA OFTEN PROCLAIMS TO BE LEADING THE WAY
CHANGE. IT’SHARD BECAUSE THE BAR HAS BEEN
SET VERY, VERY LOW. YOU ARE CAPABLE OF MORE. CITIZENS WANT
MORE. PLEASE LEAD THE WAY WITH PRIDE KNOWING YOU ARE SETTING
REAL TARGETS THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE DIFFERENCE TO SAFE
HUMANITY. BILL 213 AS IT CURRENTLY WILL NOT DO
THAT. THANK YOU. The Chair: YOU VERY
MUCH, MS. KURE. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? NO. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR COMINGIN.>>IS A WAY FOR ME TO
THIS IN WRITINGWILL GO ON RECORD?
The Chair: YES, PLEASE. IF YOU JUST GIVE IT TO PAGE, WE
CAN GET COPIES MADE. THANK YOU.
The Chair: MS. LISA STRICKLAND-CLARK. IS MS.
STRICKLAND-CLARK – IS. WELCOME. THE FLOORYOURS.
>>THANK YOU. I’M A PSYCHOLOGIST. TODAY I
RESCHEDULED CLIENTS AT SHORT NOTICE TO BE HERE TODAY AND
DRIVEN TWO HOURS LIKE MANY PEOPLE, WE HAVE MADE A REAL
EFFORT TO HERE. ILIKE TO MY VOICE TO THOSE OF
PEOPLE SAYING THIS BILL DOES NOT HAVE STRINGENT ENOUGH TARGETS
IT TO MORE QUICKLY THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS. I WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE BILL. I BELIEVE
OTHERS WILL THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOCUS ON SOME
BASIC PRINCIPLES. BEFORE ITHAT, I LIKE TO REMIND
PEOPLE OF WHAT WE’RE FACING IS AN EXCERPT FROMPUBLISHED
REPORT BY THE U.S. ARMY COLLEGE CALLED
“IMPLICATIONS OF CLIMATE CHANGE FOR THE U.S. MILITARY.”
SEA LEVEL RISE, CHANGES IN WATER AND FOOD AND MORE
FREQUENT EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS ARE LIKELY TO RESULT IN THE
MIGRATION OF SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION. RISING SEAS
WILL DISPLACE TENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
CREATING MASSIVE ENDURING INSTABILITY. THIS MIGRATION
WILL BE PRONOUNCED IN THOSE REGIONS WHERE CLIMATE
VULNERABILITY IS EXACERBATED BY INSTITUTIONED AND
GOVERNANCE AND UNDERDEVELOPED SOCIETY. RECENT HISTORY
HAS SHOWN MASS HUMAN MIGRATIONS WESTBOUND PROPENSITY FOR
CONFLICT AND TURMOIL. NEW POPULATIONS COMPETE AGAINST
ESTABLISHED POPULATIONS. MORE FREQUENT EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS
WILL DEMAND FOR MILITARY, HUMANITARIAN
ASSISTANCE. THE PROSPECT IS DIRE. I WANT TO FOCUS ON FOUR
KEY AREAS. FIRSTLY, THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE. THE
PRINCIPLE IMPLIES THERE IS A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT
THE PUBLIC FROM EXPOSURE HARM. WHEN SCIENTIFIC
INVESTIGATION HAS FOUND PLAUSIBLE RISK, THESE
PROTECTIONS CAN BE RELAX ONLY FURTHER SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS
EMERGE THAT PROVIDE SOUND EVIDENCE THAT NO WILL
RESULT. THE PRINCIPLE HAS CENTRAL COMPONENTS TAKING
PREVENTIVE ACTION IN THE FACE OF UNCERTAINTY, SHIFTING THE BURDEN
OF PROOF TO THE PROPONENTS OF AN ACTIVITY AND EXPLORING ARANGE OF
ALTERNATIVES TO HARMFUL ACTIONS, INCREASING PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION IN DECISION MAKING SO THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE
IS HERE. SECONDLY, THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE OF THE IPCC
REPORT AND THIS HASMENTIONED JUST NOW, SO BILL 213
UPON THE IPCC REPORT AS A GUIDE. REPORT IS ONE YEAR
OLD. IT’S BECOMING CLEAR THAT THE TARGETS OUTLINED IN THAT
REPORT ARE OVERLY CONSERVATIVE. AND SWIFTER, MORE FAR
REACHING IS NEEDED. RECENTLY PUBLISHED BOOK BY
CLIMATE SCIENTISTS DALE JAMESON, MICHAEL OPPENHEIMER AND NAOMI
ADDRESSED THIS. IT’S CALLED PRACTICES OF SCIENTIFIC
ASSESSMENT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY.”
AND IT STATED THAT WHILE CLIMATE PARTICULARS DENIERS
OFTEN ACCUSE SCIENTISTS OR EXAGGERATING THE THREATS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLIMATE CRISIS, THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE
SUGGESTS THE OPPOSITE. BYLARGE, SCIENTISTS HAVE BEEN
RIGHT IN ASSESSMENTS OR BEEN UNDULY
CONSERVATIVE. WHEN NEW OBSERVATIONS HAVE PROVIDED MORE
OR BETTER DATA, THE FINDINGS FOR SEA LEVEL RISE AND OCEAN
TEMPERATURE HAVE GENERALLY BEEN WORSE THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.
SCIENTISTS ACTIVELY SEEK TO FIND THEIR COMMON GROUND AND TO FOCUS
ON THOSE AREAS OF AGREEMENT. IN SOME CASES, THERE ARE
IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES. SCIENTISTS MAY NOTHING,
THAT NOTHING IS KNOWN. HOW DOES THE PRESSURE FOR UNEQUIVOCALLY
LEAVE TO UNDERESTIMATIONS. SCIENTISTS THINK THEANSWER TO A
QUESTION IS IN THE RANGE OF 1 TO 10. SOME COULD BE
AS HIGH AS 100. WILL AGREE THAT IT’S AT
LEAST 1 TO BUT NOT EVERYONE WILL AGREE IT COULD BE AS HIGH
AS 100. THEREFORE AREA AGREEMENT IS 1 TO 10. THIS
BE ASCONSENSUS VIEW. RANGE POSSIBLE OUTCOMES THATA LONG,
HIGH END OF PROBABILITY, AREA OF OVERLAP
WILL AT OR NEAR THE LOW END. POLITICAL LEADERS AND BUSINESS
WE THINK IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW IT’S EXTREMELY
THAT SCIENTISTS ARE EXAGGERATING THE THREAT OF
CLIMATE CRISIS. IT’S MORE LIKELY THINGS ARE WORSE THAN
SCIENTISTS HAVE SAID. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT IMPACTS OF
INCREASED GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE ARE UNFOLDING
RAPIDLY SCIENTISTS PREDICTED. A LIKELIHOOD THEY
WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND THAT THE IPCC ESTIMATES EMISSIONS
MUST BE RAPIDLY REDUCED IF NOT ENTIRELY ELIMINATED BY 2050 MAY
BE OPTIMISTIC. THE FACT THIS CONCLUSION IS HARD TO
SWALLOW DOES MAKE IT UNTRUE. THIRDLY, I WANT TO ABOUT
THE LAW PHYSICS. HOW CLOSE TO THE PRECIPICE TO WE WANT TO
GO? HOW MUCH OF A DAMAGEWANT TO TAKE? WHAT WE’RE
DEALING WITH HERE NOT SUBJECT OPINION OR GOOD INTENTIONS.
IT’S NOT AN OPTIONAL ADD-ON-WE CAN TAKE LEAVE. WE’RE
DEALING THE LAW PHYSICS. IF I LEAVE AN ICE CUBE ON THE
COUNTERTOP GO OUT FOR AN HOUR, WHEN I GET BACK, IT WOULD
HAVE MELTED. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW MUCH I HAVE BEEN HOPING IT
MELT, OR HOW CONVINCING I WAS WHEN I SPOKE ABOUT IT TO
INTERESTED PARTIES WHILE I WAS OUT. THE ICE MELTED. THE
ICE ON OUR IS MELTING AT UNPRECEDENTED SPEEDDRAFTING A
WELL INTENTIONAL BILL WE WILL DO THE JOB IS NOT
TO THINGS. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. AND IT NEEDS TO
TREATED AS SUCH FROM TODAY ONWARD. SO WHAT ARE THE
CHARACTERISTICS OF AN EMERGENCY? WHEN WE’RE IN AN EMERGENCY,
WE’RE FOCUSED ON SOLVING THE CRISIS ONE TOP PRIORITY. HUGE
ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES TOWARDS THE SOLUTION. LASER-LIKE FOCUS.
OUR SOURCE OF SELF ESTEEM DOESN’T COME FROM OUR INDIVIDUAL
ACCOMPLISHMENT. IT COMES FROM CONTRIBUTING TO THE SOLUTION.
IN AN EMERGENCY, SPEED OF RESPONSE IS CRUCIAL. THIS BILL
GIVES DEADLINE OF DECEMBER 2020 FOR CREATION
OF A STRATEGIC PLAN. KIND OF AN EMERGENCY WAIT FOR A
YEAR TO BE IMPLEMENTED? IMPORTANT ISSUE IS
DO WE BEGIN TO LEAD THE PUBLIC INTO
EMERGENCY MODE? WE TALKED CONSULTATION. BUT MORE
CHARACTERISTICS OF AN EMERGENCY INVOLVE FANCY SOCIETY ENGAGES
PRODUCTIVELY WITH CRISIS, BUT IN A PANIC MODE. THE
IS ASSESSED WITH BRUTAL HONESTY. IMMEDIATE
LOOMING THREAT TO LIFE, HEALTH, OR ENVIRONMENT IS
PERCEIVED. THERE IS HIGH PROBABILITY OF ESCALATION BEYOND
CONTROL IF IMMEDIATE ACTION IS NOT TAKEN.
The Chair: TWO MINUTES.>>SPEED OF IS CRUCIAL.
THE CRISIS IS OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. EMERGENCY PROJECT
TEAMS DEVELOPED AND LABOUR PLANNING IS INSTITUTED. ALL
AVAILABLE NECESSARY RESOURCES DEVOTED TO THE EMERGENCY AND
IF NECESSARY GOVERNMENTS BORROW HEAVILY. NON
FUNCTIONS AND CONSUMPTION MAY BE CURTAILED OR RATIONED. RAPID
TRN SESSION AND SCALING UP OCCURS. PLANNING, FOSTERING
INNOVATION AND TAKE PLACE. CRITICAL TARGETS AND
GOALS ARE NOT COMPROMISED. AND FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.
BIPARTISANSHIP ANDLEADERSHIP ARE THE NORM. SO
THIS BILL NEED CONTAIN THE MOST STRINGENT TARGETS POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUTEMISSIONS BY 2030. BUT IF
POSSIBLE, EARLIER. IT NEEDS TO SHORTEN THE DEADLINE FOR ACTION.
ON A DAILY BASIS, NOT ONCE A YEAR. IT NEEDS TO BE OURONE
PRIORITY PLACED AT THE OF LIFE OF NOVA SCOTIANS
BE TREATED AS THE EMERGENCY, WHICH IS IT IS.
CITIZENS ASSEMBLIES AND CONSULTATIONS SHOULD BE
OVERSEEING. IT CANNOT BE LEFT TO ONE PARTY IMPLEMENT. WE
AFFORD FAIL. THANK YOU.
The Chair: YOU VERY MUCH, MS. STRICKLAND-CLARK. ANY
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THANK
YOU TAKING TIME OUT OF WORK TO OFFER THOUGHTS THIS.
THANK YOU. DO. IF YOU LEAVE US A COPY. GET IT
CIRCULATED TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UP, I
UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MARGOT ALDRICH.
SHE OFFERED SPOT TO DARLENE BERNARD. IS DARLENE BERNARD IN
THE ROOM? IS THERE A DARLENE –
IF WE WANT TO LET DARLENE SETTLE IN, I COULD GO TO KEVIN SMITH IS
HERE. DO I HAVE KEVIN SMITH? LET’S GO KEVIN.
WE’LL DARLENE TO SETTLE IN. WELCOME, MR. SMITH, THE
IS YOURS.>>THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS
OPPORTUNITY SPEAK. SO I’M
GOING TO START WITH GRAPHS.
IT’S EASY LOOK AT GRAPHS, RISING CO2 IN THE IN
A DISCONNECTED WAY. RISING ON A GRAPH ARE MOREBAD MENS.
RISING CO2 IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF SPECIES
LOST. HUNDREDS MILLIONS OF HOMES DESTROYED. HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS LIVES DESTROYED BY DROUGHT, FLOODS, FIRE, AND
FAMINE. HUNDREDS AND MILLIONS OF REFUGEES, ALL THE
SAKE OF OUR OWN EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND GREED. THIS IS
GENOCIDE. AND IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR CENTURIES. THIS BILL
WILL ONLY HELP ENSURE IT CONTINUES UNABATED. WRITING NET
ZERO IS NOTHING MORE THAN PRIVILEGE. STEP REMOVED
FROM SAYING OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOSSIL IS MORE IMPORTANT
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH. IT
IS POOREST COUNTRIES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAST TO BLAME
FOR THE CATASTROPHE WHO AND WILL CONTINUE SUFFER THE
HARDEST. IF DRASTIC ACTIONNOT TAKEN IMMEDIATELY. OUR
ECONOMIC ACTIVITY SINCE SLAVERY SET THE STAGE FOR THE EXPOSURE
TO THIS CRISIS IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH. YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE
TO SPEAK ABOUT NET ZERO BY 2050 WHILE GUATEMALAN FARMERS WHOSE
ANCESTORS WERE THE FIRST CULTAT CALL HAVE CULTIVATORS
OF CORN. WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY AND
OBLIGATION TO ATONE FOR SINS OF OUR PREDECESSORS BY ACTING
NOW REDUCING OUR OWNFOOTPRINT TO ZERO AS FASTPOSSIBLE. NOT IN 30
YEARS. WE DON’T HAVE 30 YEARS. ICC
CLAIMS WE AROUND TEN YEARS LEFT TO REDUCE EMISSIONS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS REPORT DOES NOT FACTOR IN THE AMOUNT OF
GREENHOUSE GASES RELEASED FROM MELTING ARCTIC. THINGS ARE
HAPPENING AT A FASTER RATE THAN THESE CONSERVATIVE REPORTS
CLAIMED. PERMAFROST WAS THOUGHT TO HAVE DECADES LEFT BEFOREBEGAN
TO MELT. GUESS WHAT? IT’S MELTING AT A PHENOMENAL
RATE RELEASINGAMOUNTS OF CO2 INTO OUR
ATMOSPHERE. ZERO CHANCE WE WILL HAVE PERMANENT ICE YEAR ROUND IN
THE ARCTIC BY 2022. THERE IS NO RECOVERING FROM LOSING 75 TO 80%
OF THE PERMANENT ARCTIC ICE. WE DON’T HAVE 30 YEARS. WEFIVE
YEARS BEFORE THERE ISRECOVERING FROM CLIMATE CHANGE.
AFTER WE BREAK THIS THRESHOLD, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT FUTURE
WHERE THERE IS ALMOST NO TEMPERATURE BETWEEN
THE EQUATOR AND POLES. OCEANS WILL BE 10 NORMAL NOW.
STORM SYSTEMS WILL VIOLENT AND EXTREME. YOU TALK ABOUT NET
ZERO BY 2050, COMMUNITY IN THE NORTH ARE ALREADY FACING CLIMATE
DEVASTATION. COMMUNITIES PART OF A
SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM. CLIMATE CHANGE IN
NUNAVUT CAN NOT BE ADDRESSED WITHOUT CONSIDERING
FACTORS. COMMUNITIES’ ABILITIES TO COPE AND ADAPT WILLLIMITED
HOUSING, POVERTY, SECURITY, LANGUAGE,
MODERNIZATION AND EROSION LAND-BASED – I LOST SPOT. SORRY. DIRECT LANGUAGE, EMOTION
– ALL THESE FACTORS IMPACTS ON
THE MAINTENANCE OF INUIT IDENTITY. WELL-BEING OF ALL
THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE TERRITORY. JUST MONTH, THE RESIDENTS
OF AN ALASKAN VILLAGE BEGAN MOVING THEIR VILLAGE DUE TO
CLIMATE CHANGE. THEY HAVE SOME AMERICA’S
FIRST CLIMATE TRANSPLANTS. YOU TALK OF NET ZERO 2050,VILLAGE IN
ALASKA JUST UNDER 400 PEOPLE FLEEING FROM THE
THAWING PERMAFROST, EROSION AND INCREASED FLOODING. LAND HAS
CRUMBLED AND SANK. THE LANDFILL HAS BEENWASHED AWAY.
SEA ICE DWINDLES, THERE IS TO PROTECT.
NAWING AWAY AT BANKS AND SPLASHING INTO THEIR COMMUNITY.
IF NOT USE THE LITTLE TIME WE HAVE LEFT TO ACT AGGRESSIVELY
ON THIS CRISIS NOW, WE NOT BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATOR BECAUSE
OF THE — ABLE TO ACT ACCUMULATOR. THE HURRICANE
AFTER THAT WILL BE TWICE AS BAD AGAIN. HOW MANY ITERATIONS OF
THIS SCENARIO CAN YOUR ADAPTATION SURVIVE? THE MORE
TIME THAT IS WASTED TO BUILD GREEN INFRASTRUCTURES, MORE
SEVERE WEATHER THEY WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT IN AND SUSTAINED.
SAVING OUR PLANET, LIFTING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTYADVANCING
ECONOMIC GROWTH ARE ONE IN THE SAME FIGHT. WE MUST
CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN CLIMATE CHANGE, WATER SCARCITY, ENERGY
SHORTAGES, HEALTH,SECURITY, AND THE EMPOWERMENT OF
MARGINALIZED GROUPS. THIS BILL DOES NONE OF THAT. SOLUTIONS TO
ONE PROBLEM MUST SOLUTIONS FOR ALL. 1848, NOVA SCOTIA LED
THE COLONIESBECOMING THE FIRST RESPONSIBLE
GOVERNMENT. IN 2019, NOVA SCOTIA AGAIN HAS THE CHANCE TO
LEAD THE REST OF IN IMPLEMENTING A TRULY RESPONSIBLE
CLIMATE PLAN. NOT ONE THATSEAL OUR FATE WHILE KEEPING FACE
WITH OIL LOBBYISTS. NOWHERE IN THIS BILL IS THERE
ROOM FOR PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY. NOWHERE IN THIS BILL
DOES IT ALLOW THOSE SITTING BEHIND ME TO MAKE DECISIONS ON
OUR FUTURE. THE COAL INDUSTRY CAME AND WENT IN PROVINCE.
THE COD INDUSTRY WENT. SOON THIS PROVINCE WILL LUISSECOND
LARGEST INDUSTRY TO CLIMATE CHANGE. THE LOBSTER
FISHERY. AS OCEANS WARM, LOBSTERS MIGRATE TO COLDER
WATERS. ONCE 2 WARMING IS REACHED, WHICH WE WILL NO DOUBT
HIT, SHELL FISH WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR SHELLS
ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE HIGH ACIDITY LEVELS. NOVA SCOTIA HAS
THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD THE REST OF CANADA TO NET ZERO CARBON
FOOTPRINT BY A DATE THAT COULD A LIVABLE FUTURE FOR OUR
CHILDREN. NOVA SCOTIANS CAN BE THE PROVINCE TO ENSURE A
JUST TRANSITION, PROVIDINGHOME FOR THE MILLIONS
WHO HAVE AND WILL BE DISPLACED BY OUR OWN
CONSUMPTION. THIS CAN DONE. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. THE
KNOWLEDGE AND THE HUMANITY ON OUR OWN DOORSTEPS. THIS BILL
DOES OF THAT. WITH THIS BILL, I SEE HOW OUR GOVERNMENT
CONTINUES TO NEGLECT ITS TO PROTECT
ADVERTISE CITIZENS FROM HARM, FACILITATING A SYSTEM BASED ON
INJUSTICE, EXPLOITATION AND MOST VALUABLE PEOPLES, LAND AND
WATERS. I SEE A GOVERNMENT THAT FAILED TO SECURE THE MOST
ESSENTIAL DUTIES OF ITS STEWARDSHIP AND ENSURE A FUTURE
ALL GENERATIONS TO COME. I SEE A GOVERNMENT WILL FULLY
BROKEN THE SOCIAL CONTRACT TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS PROVINCE
AND COUNTRY. THANK YOU. The Chair: YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. SMITH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN, MR. SMITH, AND SHARING YOUR
THOUGHTS WITH US. THANK YOU. WE’RE CONFUSED. IS IT A
DOREEN THAT ARRIVED TO JOIN US? SORRY, DARLENE.
DARLENE GILBERT. DARLENE, ARE
YOU REPLACING MARGOT ALDRICH? YES. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION. I’LL GIVE YOU –
>>I TAKE THAT LONG. BUT I AM DIRECT.
The Chair: ENOUGH. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>>THANK YOU. NUMBER ONE, WE ARE ON TERRITORY. LET’S
REMEMBER THAT OFF. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL TOO.
YOU ARE NOT CREEDING OUR CEDINGTERRITORIES. YOU WILL NOT
BE ABLE POISON OUR WATERS. YOU
SAY YOU’RE ENVIRONMENTALISTS, WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 13,000 YEARS.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS LAND. AND IT IN LOT
OF OUR TEACHINGS, YOU HAVE TO COME US TO LEARN HOW TO
REALLY TAKE OF THIS LAND. WE’RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT. OK? NOW, YOU’RE GOING TO SAY
THAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO ALL EMISSIONS AND STUFF, ALL THIS
ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF. ANDMANY YEARS. BUT YET YOU
CONTINUE TO LEGALLY GIVE PERMITS TO JALTON ATON GAS ON A 50
PROJECT. YOU’RE GOING ALLOW THIS COMPANY, THIS CORPORATION
TO COME INTO OUR PROVINCE? BUT YET YOU TELL ME NOT GOING
TO POISON OUR FISH BY BRINING THEM WITH SALT. A CUP OF
WATER. THE SALT IT. POUR WATER IT. YOU
DRINK IT, MARGARET MILLER. DRINK THAT WATER YOU’RE TO
FEED OUR FISH, ANCESTORS, ANCESTORS FED OF AND STILL
TO THIS DAY, PEOPLE TAKE THAT FISH. NOT JUST MINE. YOURS.
YOUR PEOPLE. I SEE HORSES ON RIVER. DO YOU THINKHORSES ARE
GOING TO BE SAFE ENOUGH TO BE ON THAT RIVER? YOU
SAY THERE IS NO. THERE IS COD THERE. YOU SAY YOU’RE NOT
GOING TO BE POISONING THESE FISH. YOU ARE. TELL ME
WHERE YOU’RE GOING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALISTS, BECAUSE I
DON’T SEE IT. I SEE YOU ALLOWING A CORPORATION TO BULLY
THEIR WAY THROUGH WITHOUT PROPER CONSULTATION TO OUR PEOPLE.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I’M GOING TO BELIEVE THIS BILL IS GOING TO
BE TRUTHFUL, BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT BEING TRUTHFUL SO FAR IN
ANYTHING YOU’RE DOING. MY QUESTION TO Y’ALL. AS A
MI’KMAWI, A SOVEREIGN MI’KMAWI, I’M YOU HOW TRUTHFUL CAN
YOU BE OUR PEOPLE WITH SAVING MOTHER BECAUSE COME
FROM THE WATER. WE’RE ALL THE WATER. WE CARRY WATER.
NEED THIS WATER TO LIVE. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO CLEARWATER
TO MAKE IT WATER. SHUBENACADIE WATER BROWN, BUT
IT’S WATER. IT HAS ECOSYSTEM IN IT. ALL YOU WANT
TO DO DRIVEWAY IT FORDOLLAR. DOLLAR. WOW. WE
NEED TO LEARN TO CONSERVE INSTEAD OF CONSUME SO MUCH.
THIS MAY HELP US IN THIS BILL. THAT’S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
The Chair: THANK YOU, MS. GILBERT. NEXT UP WE HAVE JULIA
SAMPSON. MS. SAMPSON HERE? WELCOME, MS. SAMPSON, THE FLOOR
YOURS.>>BEFORE I SPEAKING, I
WOULD TO A FEW THINGS. FIRST ONE BEINGEVENT IS
GOING ON DURING SCHOOL HOURS WHICH MEANS MANY YOUTH
WANTED TO BE HERE COULD NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT MISS
CLASS. SECOND, THERE IS AN INDIGENOUS STUDENT NAMED
KIRA BILL GILBERT. SHE CAME TO SPEAK
BUT WAS TURNED AWAY BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T OWN A PHOTO ID. SHE IS
HERE, BUT SHOULDN’T HAVETURNED AWAY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I WANT TO TAKE YOU THE TIME AFTER TODAY
WWW.CLIMATESTRIKECANADA.CALOOK AT THE DEMAND. THIS IS
WHAT YOUTH IN CANADA DEMANDING. YOU NEED TO TAKE
CONSIDERATION. HELLO, MY NAME IS JULIA SAMPSON. I’M
17 YEARS OLD. I’M HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU’RE DECIDING MY
FUTURE. YOU ARE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILLFOR MY
ABILITY TO LIVE, TO GROW OLD AND TO CHILDREN. RIGHT NOW
YOUR PLAN ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH. NET ZERO BY 2050LATE.
THAT’S 20 YEARS PLAUS A CLIMATE CATASTROPHE. —20
YEARS PLUS A CLIMATE CATASTROPHE. THIS IS THE PLANET
WE HAVE INHERITED BECAUSE UNIFORM IGNORANCE. YOUCHANGE
NOW. YOU CAN WORK TOWARDS A JUST TRANSITION FOR US
YOUTH. RIGHT NOW YOU AREN’T. AND THAT CAUSES A LOT OF
ANXIETY. CLIMATE ANXIETY IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR YOUTH NOWADAYS.
WE WERE BORN INTO CRISIS. THE SAFE AMOUNT OF CARBON IN THE
ATMOSPHERE IS 350 PARTS PER MILLION. IN THE YEAR I WAS
BORN, 2002, THERE WERE 373.28 PARTS PER MILLION OF CARBON IN
THE ATMOSPHERE. THIS MONTH WE HIT 408 PARTS MILLION. THIS
IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF OUR GENERATION. IT SEEMS LIKE IT’S
OUT OF COMPLETELY. PART OF THE IT FEELS SO
UNCONTROLLABLE IS WE AS YOUTH DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUTIT.
HAVE SEEN THE SCIENCE BOOKS WE HAVE? THE
INFORMATION IN THEM SO OUTDATED THAT IN HIGH, MY
TEXT BOOKS DIDN’T HAVE NUNAVUT AS PROVINCE. THE YEARS I HAD
A UNIT ON WEATHER CLIMATE, MY TEACHERS TAUGHT ABOUT
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WEATHER AND CLIMATE. BUT THERE WAS
NOTHING ABOUT OUR WARMING CLIMATE AND HOW THAT WILL CAUSE
AN INCREASING AMOUNT OF EXTREME WEATHER LEADING TO MASS
MIGRATION, MILLIONS OF DEATHS, WARS ESSENTIALLY EXTINCTION.
NO, I’M NOT BEING DRAMATIC. I’M QUOTING THE SCIENCE AND THE
PROFESSIONALS WHO YOULISTENING TO. I’M 17 OLD.
I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS. I SHOULD THAT I HAVE FUTURE. BUT RIGHT NOWTRACK
WE’RE ON AND PLAN ENSURES DON’T. YOU THE POWER TO
CHANGE THIS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS BILL. MY MOM IS A GRADE ONE
TEACHER. AND SINCE MY ACTIVISM STARTED, SHE’S BEEN TRYING TO
TALK TO KIDS ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS IN A WAY THAT’S
FOR THEM. ONE OF HER IN BOOK A FEW
AGO THAT HIGHLIGHTS DIFFERENT ISSUES OF THE CLIMATE
CRISIS. THEY HAVE READING A PORTION OF IT EVERY DAY. ONE
DAY THEY DIDN’T. THAT DAY 6-YEAR-OLD KID CAME UPMOM IN A
STATE OF PANICHER HE WAS WORRIED HE WOULDN’T
BE ABLE TO SAVE ALL ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T READ THE
BOOK DAY. THIS WAS A CHILD WHO DOESN’T EVEN KNOW HOW THE
CLIMATE CRISIS WILL AFFECT HIM PERSONALLY. HE HAS A
OF ANXIETY BECAUSE OF A LACK OF CLIMATE EDUCATION
AND GOVERNMENT ACTION. WE NEED BE LEARNING ABOUT THIS.
RIGHT THE ONLY CRITERIA FOR NOVA SCOTIA IS TO CLIMATE
IS A THING. THERE’S NOTHING IN THE CURRICULUM ABOUT HOW IT’S
WARMING. THERE’S NOTHING INCRIM LUMB ABOUT HOW WE’RE —
CURRICULUM HOW WE’RE CAUSING IT, HOW 97% SCIENTISTS AGREE.
NOTHING ABOUT HOW THIS BAD AND NOTHING ABOUT HOW WE CANIT.
THE SOLUTIONS EXIST. WE HAVE THEM. IT’S TIME TO STOP
TALKING ABOUT THIS AND START ACTING. BECAUSE I KNOW THIS
WILL TAKE LOT WORK. AND I KNOW IT WILL TAKE A WHILE. AND
THAT’S WHY WE NEED TO BE TAKING AGGRESSIVE CLIMATE ACTION SO
CAN DO IN A WAY THAT IS A JUST TRANSITION FOR EVERYONE.
IN WAY THAT ENSURES GET IT DONE IN TIME. WHEN STARTED
GETTING INTO CLIMATE ACTIVISM, I VIRTUALLY NOTHING ABOUT THE
CLIMATE CRISIS. – I AS RESEARCH AS I COULD TO GET
CAUGHT UP THE THE ACTIVISTS AROUND ME. MEANT
I WAS OVERLOADED WITH DEPRESSING DOOMFUL CLIMATE SCIENCE. I
HAD NO IDEA HOW TO PROCESS IT ALL. SO I CHANNELED ALL THE
ACCIDENT INTO MY ACTIVISM. BUT I EVENTUALLY GOT REALLY
BURNT-OUT AND DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION
THAT WAS SO INCOMPREHENSIBLE. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE AROUND ME CAN
FEEL THE SAME WAY. ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER ACTIVISTS LIKE ME
WITH LITTLE TO NO EDUCATION ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS BECAUSE OF
THE LACK OF CLIMATE EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS. I HERE TO TELL YOU
THAT WE ARE NOT ONLY FAILING AT ACTING ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS,
ARE FAILING TO EDUCATE ABOUT IT. DON’T TELL ME I DON’T
HOW WORKS. BECAUSE I KNOW TWO THINGS. ONE, THE
CLIMATE CRISIS THREATENS MY FUTURE. AND TWO, I WASEDUCATED
ABOUT IT. SO PLEASE DON’T THANK ME AFTER THAT. DO
NOT THANK ME UNLESS YOU WILL ACTUALLY TAKE MY WORDS INTO
CONSIDERATION AND ACT ON THEM. I KNOW YOU MUST BE SCARED AS A
HUMAN, AS A OF THIS EARTH OF WHAT’S TO COME. SO
FIND THAT FEAR SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF YOU AND COME BACK HERE AND
USE YOUR POWER. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO THIS. YOU HAVE
THE POWER TO BE A REAL SUPERHERO TO THE KIDS BY ACTING
ACCORDINGLY ON THIS CRISIS AND NOT LISTENING BUT ACTING ON
THE WORDS OF THE YOUTH. YOU SAY YOU CARE ABOUT OUR FUTURE, DON’T
TELL ME. SHOW ME. The Chair: YOU VERY
MUCH, MS. SAMPSON. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? MS.
CHENDER.>>TWO THINGS. FIRST, ANYONE
WHO SPEAK CAN NOW BE ADDED TO THE LIST. THIS THIS WILL
GO ON INTO NIGHT. IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS YOU TO COME,
PLEASE THEM KNOW. IN THE PHOTO ID, CAN WE MAKEARRANGEMENT.
The Chair: I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THAT. I TOLD THAT HAS
BEEN STRAIGHTENED OUT. I DO TO HEAR THAT DIRECTLY FROM
THE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS. OK. THAT HAS DEALT WITH.
>>GREAT. THEN THE SECOND THE PRESENTER TODAY, I
DON’T KNOW IF YOU HERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATOR WHO
MADE THE SAME SUGGESTIONS REGARDING EDUCATION. I THINK
WE’RE THAT LOT. AND YOU THAT. I THINK
THAT’S LIKELY AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL COME FORWARD. THANKFOR
YOUR PRESENTATION. The Chair: THANK YOU. MS.
MILLER.>>ONE COMMENT. I WAS TAKENYOUR
WORDS. I WONDER IF YOU COULD HAVE A WRITTEN COPY TO
FOR ALL MEMBERS IT A RECORD OF TODAY’S
EVENT.>>YES.
>>OK. THANK YOU. The Chair: MS. ROBERTS.
>> HAVE NOT BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF THE WITNESSES UP UNTIL NOW.
BUT I’M WONDERING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WORKING AND
ORGANIZING WITH THE ACTIONER HOW HAVE YOU
FOUND IT MOST EFFECTIVE TO ENGAGE SOME OF YOUR PEERS WHO
ARE NOT FOCUSED ON IN A WAY THAT DOESN’T OVERWHELM THEM BUT
INVITE THEM TO JOIN WITH YOU TO TAKE IS A REALLY HUGE
AND SCARY ISSUE TO ENGAGED WITH?
The Chair: MS. SAMPSON.>>WELL, I THINK LETTING THEM
KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE POWER YOUTH. IF THEY JOIN THIS
MOVEMENT AND THEY WORK WITH IT, THAT WE WILL ACCOMPLISHING
SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE HAVE – WE JUST FOUND OUT THE COAL MINE
THAT WAS GOING TO BE OPENED, THEY’RE NOT THAT.
CREDITING STRIKE AND ALSO CITIZENS OF THAT AREA IN
THEIR DECISION. SO ILETTING THE YOUTH
KNOW THAT WE HAVE POWER AND OBVIOUSLY THAT
IT’S EVIDENT IN ME BEING HERE TODAY. I’M 17. THIS TIMEYEAR,
I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THIS MOVEMENT WAS. SO IT’S ME
THAN A YEAR TO EDUCATE MYSELF AND GET MYSELF HERE. I
THINK THAT THAT SAYSIF A 17-YEAR-OLD CAN TAKE LESS
A YEAR FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS HAPPEN, THEN ALL OFIN THIS
ROOM SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
The Chair: YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? GREAT. THANK
YOU, MS. SAMPSON. THANKS FOR BRINGING VOICE OF YOUR
GENERATION TO THE DISCUSSION. MS. SHANI BALE? . WELCOME, MS.
BALE.>> YOU.
The Chair: GO AHEAD.>>GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME
IS SHANI A DEGREE IN ECOLOGY FROM ACADIA UNIVERSITY. I HAVE
A MASTERS DEGREE IN LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY FROM DALHOUSIE IN
HALIFAX. I’M CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET A PIECE
OF RESEARCH I CONDUCTED ON BIRD CONSERVATION IN THIS PROVINCE
PUBLISHED A PEER REVIEW JOURNAL. AND I HAVE BEEN PAYING
ATTENTION TO THINGS FOR A LONG TIME. I WANT TO BEGIN
THANKING YOU TODAY FOR ALLOWING ME AND OTHER LIKE-MINDED
ENVIRONMENTALISTS, INDIGENOUS ACTIVISTS, STUDENTS AND
CONCERNED CITIZENS TO SPEAK WITH YOU. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE
OUR VOICES, AT LEAST AS SERIOUSLY AS YOU DO THOSE OF
RESOURCE EXTRACTION AND BIG INTERESTS. I KNOW THAT
SOME HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH YOU EXPRESSING THE FACT THAT
THEY FEEL WHILE THE TARGETS IS PROPOSING REPRESENT A
STRONG FIRST STEP, THEY DO NOT GO FAR ENOUGH AS WE WHO ARE
FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH AS MUCH PROSPERITY
AND OPPORTUNITY AS CANADA HAS DONE MORE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS
CRISIS. AND ARE ALSOEQUIPPED TO DEAL THIS
CRISIS THAN OUR MORE DISADVANTAGED NATIONS. I DON’T
DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT NOT HERE TO TO THAT TODAY. I
AM HERE BECAUSE I HAVE I HAVE BECOMECYNIC WATCHING FOR
DECADES, LITERALLY DECADES NOW A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POLITICAL
PARTIES IN MULTIPLE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT SETTING AMBITIOUS
GOALS TOWARDS A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE
FUTURE AND THEN CONTINUALLY FALLING FAR SHORT WHAT A
CLEAR SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS SAYS NEEDED TO AVERT CATASTROPHE.
MY CYNICISM IS FURTHER COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT NOW HERE TODAY SETTING LEAST IN LINE
WITH THE GLOBAL TARGETS OF THE IPCC, ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY
ENCOURAGING THROUGH THE USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY, THE DEVELOPMENT
OF OPEN GOLD MINING, NEAR IMPORTANT WATERWAYS SUCH AS THE
ST. MARY’S RIVER, AND IN PROTECTED AREAS WHICH COMPROMISE
MISS AND CRITICAL HABITAT FOR AN ARRAY OF SPECIES WHICH
VERY AT RISK NOW. CONCERNED ALSO THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT WHILE LAUDING ITSELF FOR PROPOSING THE MOST AMBITIOUS
TARGETS IN THE COUNTRY HAVE NOT MENTIONED THAT THESE TARGETS ARE
IN FACT REPLACING THOSE ESTABLISHED IN A PREVIOUS BILL,
THE NOVA SCOTIA ECONOMIC AND SUSTAINABLE PROSPERITY ACT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND TARGETS IN THAT BILL WERE IN
FACT STRONGER THAN THE ONES BEING PROPOSED TODAY. SO YOU
WILL FORGIVE ME IF I WORRY THAT THE TARGETS PROPOSED IN THIS
BILL ARE NOT MADE IN GOOD FAITH OR AT THE VERY LEAST
PERHAPS IN A MORE GENEROUS READING ARE NOT BEING MADE WITH
THE SERIOUSNESS THATREQUIRE. HOWEVER, I AM OPEN TO
BEING PROVEN WRONG AND INDEED I HOPE MUCH HOPE YOU DO
PROVE ME WRONG. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER FEW SUGGESTIONS
AS TO HOW YOU CAN DO THAT. FIRSTLY, AS MOVING FORWARD YOU
WORK TO CRAFT AN ACTION PLAN TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS, THIS PLAN
SHOULD INCLUDE HARD AND AMBITIOUS EMISSIONS LIMITS ON
THE MOST PROFITABLE AND MOST POLLUTING COMPANIES IN THIS
AND THAT THOSE LIMITS SHOULD NOT BE BACKED UP BY
VOLUNTARY INCENTIVE ADVISED IZED – INCENT
ADVISED. BACKED UP BY LEGISLATION THAT INCLUDES
MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCES FOR THOSE COMPANIES WHO FAIL TO MEET
– PARDON ME, WHO EXCEED THE LIMITS. SECONDLY, I WOULD
STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CITIZENS
ASSEMBLY TO OVERSEE THE TRANSITION A MORE
SUSTAINABLE FUTURE ANDMONITOR THE PROGRESS OR LACK
THEREOF THAT IS BEING MADE TOWARDS ACHIEVING THESE TARGETS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MS. BALE. QUESTIONS. MS. ROBERTS.
>>JUST QUESTION. ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF BILL THAT
WE HAVE BEFORE US IS IS THAT MANY OF THE WERE IN
PREVIOUS LEGISLATION HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THE ACT AND WILL BE
DEVELOPED WITH CONSULTATION AND PUT INTO REGULATIONS. AND I’M
WONDERING IF GIVENBACKGROUND ON, IN LANDSCAPE
ECOLOGY IN PARTICULAR, IF THERE ARE GOALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SEE US SET RELATED TO THE ROLE OF LAND IN SEQUESTERING CARBON?
KIND OF RELATES TO OPEN PIT MINES. ARE THERE PARTICULAR
THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SET GOALS RELATED TO, THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED HOW WE ACTUALLY USE THE LAND BASE
SCOTIA? The Chair: MS. BALE.
>> YOU FOR QUESTION. SO INDEED MY BACKGROUND IS IN
LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY. BUT THE SPECIES DISTRIBUTION MODELLING,
MY RESEARCH, AND CONSERVATION OF AT RISK SPECIES IN THE FACE
CHANGE. IT WASN’T REALLY RELATED TO ENERGY BUDGET
AND THINGS LIKE THIS. BUT WHILE I HAVE THE MICROPHONE, I
CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE LAND CONSERVED. I BELIEVE THE
PROVINCE HAS 13% OF ITS LAND BASE ESTABLISHED AS PROTECTED
AREAS. I BELIEVE THE CURRENT TARGET IS 15%. BUT THE BEST
SCIENCE WE TELLS US THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE VAST
MAJORITY OF AT RISK SPECIES NOW. SO I WOULD SUGGEST
INCREASING THAT TARGET AND EQUALLY IMPORTANTLY. I ACTUALLY
BELIEVE DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND FORESTRY IS DOINGALREADY.
ENSURING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE CRITICAL HABITAT
AREAS SO SPECIES HAVEOPPORTUNITY TO MOVE AS CLIMATE
CHANGES AND HABITAT SUITABLE TODAY BECOMES UNSUITABLE IN
FUTURE. The Chair: YOU. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. BALE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. BALE. PATRICK YANCEY. WELCOME,
MR. YANCEY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.>> YOU. THANK YOU,
EVERYONE, FOR OFFERING US ALL THIS TIME TO PROVIDE OUR INPUT.
MY NAME IS PATRICK YANCEY. I AM A CERTIFIED TRANSLATOR. I HAVE
ALSO WORKED WITH VARIETY OF ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS. I’M HERE
TODAY AS AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN. ABOUT ONE AGO, KNOW,
THE IPCC REPORT OUT. MOST FAMOUS ONE THAT TOLD US WE HAD
12 YEARS STARTING FROM 2018 TO GET OUR HOUSE IN ORDER AND TO
GET OURSELVES ON COURSE FOR A LIVABLE FUTURE OROPPORTUNITY
WOULD BE GONE FOREVER. MY CHILDREN RIGHT NOW
ARE 9 AND 11. I REALIZE THAT BY THE TIME THEY WERE OLD ENOUGH TO
REALLY BE ORGANIZING AND PROTESTING IN TRYING TO CHANGE
POLICIES AROUND THIS THEMSELVES, IT WOULD BE TOO LATE. SO I
DECIDED I WOULD DO EVERYTHING I COULD TO STOP THIS CRISIS
BECAUSE THEY WON’T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO. OVER THATYEAR,
I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE MAKE AMAZING SACRIFICES TO TRY TO SAY
NO TO STOP US FROM BARRELING OFF THIS CLIFF THAT WE SET ON
COURSE FOR. I HAVE DOZENS OF PEOPLE PUT THEIR ARMS AND
LEGS AND BODIES ON THE LINE AND SACRIFICING THEMSELVES FOR
ARREST. I HAVE DOZENS OF PEOPLE GOING ON HUNGER STRIKE.
OF THEM, SENIORS IN THEIR 70s NOT EATING FOR DAYS, OR
EVEN WEEKS. AND TREMBLING WHEN SPEAK ABOUT HOW THEY’RE
DOING THIS FOR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. SO THEIR
GRANDCHILDREN MIGHT AN HAVE A FULL LIFE
HAVE. I HAVE HEARD YOUNG PEOPLE IN THEIR EARLY
20s, MID 20s, I HEARDVOICES CRACK THEY TALK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING KIDS. OR
THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO, AT LEAST, FOR THE NEAR FUTURE
BECAUSE DON’T WANT TO BRING THEM A WORLD WHERE THEY
DON’T HAVE FUTURE. I HAVE SEEN 10,000 PEOPLE MARCHING HERE
IN HALIFAX. AND WE HAVE SEEN MILLIONS ACROSS THE WORLD
RECENTLY IN WAVES OF PUBLIC OUTCRY IN FOR US TO DO
WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND THIS WAS COUPLED WITH THOUSANDS AROUND
THE WORLD ALSO GETTING ARRESTED FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. AND THE
QUESTION ON WERE’S MIND – EVERYONE’S MIND. WHAT IS IT
GOING TO TAKE TO REALLY ALL THE DEBATE, DENIAL, THE
HUMMING, AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AVERT THIS CRISIS? THIS BILL
IS A STEP. IT’S VERY HEARTENING TO HAVE
SEEN IT OUT. BUT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND IT IS TOO LATE FOR STEPS. WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY
HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA TO END THE AGE OF INCREMENTALISM. AND IF
WE DON’T, THE AGE OF INCREMENTALISM WILL LIKELY END
US. WE HAVE ONE SHOT AND WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. RECENTLY
PROPOSED CLIMATE TARGETS ARE BEST IN CANADA
NOW. BUT WE ARE DECADES IN OUR RESPONSIBILITIES
IN THE WORLD, NOT NOVA SCOTIA, BUT THE WORLD IS DECADES BEHIND
IN RESPONSIBILITIES. WE MUST DO FAR BETTER. FIVE OR TEN
FROM NOW, IT WILL ALL BE TOO LATE. WE WILL HAVE BLOWN
PAST OUR CHANCE TO AVERT SOCIETAL COLLAPSE HUMAN
EXTINCTION. WHEN WE DO RIGHT NOW, IT MATTERS MORE THAN
PERHAPS ANY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY. ALL OF OUR
ACCOMPLISHMENTS, PLENTIFUL FOOD, EDUCATION, MODERN MEDICINE, THE
INTERNET, THEY COULD ALL BE WIPED FROM THE EARTH OUR MOST
FATAL FLAW WHICH IS OUR INABILITY TO REIN IN THE
PREDATORY CLASS OF OUR SOCIETY THAT SEEKS MORE PROFIT AND
STATUS AND CONTROL. EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LIFE AND
LIVELIHOODS OF ELSE. THIS FATAL FLAW HAS RUN AMOK FOR
THOUSANDS OF YEARS FROM THE BRUTALITY OF THE EARLY EMPIRES
TO COLONIALISM, RACISM, AND MODERN PREDATORY CAPITALISM.
AND IT’S COMING TO A HEAD. DECADES, THE FOSSIL FUEL
KNEW ABOUT THECRISIS BUT THEY POURED BILLIONS
INTO SPREADING DENIAL AND DOUBT. NOW IT’S ALREADY TOO LATE FOR
A LOT. IT’S TOO LATE TO PREVENT THE MASS EXSTINK EX EXTINCTION.
IT’S TOO TO GUARANTEE A LIVABLE PLANET FOR THE NEXT
GENERATION. WE BLEW PAST THAT POINT WITH LITTLE FANFARE OR
PUBLIC DEBATE. WE ARETALKING PROBABILITIES. IPCC
REPORT AND THESE TARGETS, TALKING ABOUT VERSUS
A CHANCE OF STAYING BELOW CRITICAL TIPPING POINTS. BUT IF
WE NOW, IT IS NOT TOO LATE GIVE THE NEXT GENERATION
THEIR BEST AT A LIVABLE PLANET. IS
MINIMUM, THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM WE MUST DO. THAT EVERYTHING IN
OUR POWER TO THEM THEIR BEST SHOT BECAUSE WE HAVE
ALREADY TOOK THEMGUARANTEE A LIVABLE PLANET.
DOES THAT MEAN DOES THE MINIMUM MEAN? TARGETS LIKE
2050 FAR FROM GOOD ENOUGH. WE MAKE A TRANSITION
TO SAFE AS QUICKLYHUMANLY POSSIBLE. COUNTRIES
LIKE COSTA AND ICELANDMAKE IT WITHIN A FEW YEARS. WE
TOO. OR WE CAN COMMISSION SCIENTISTS TO HOW CLOSE WE
CAN COME. MOST CRITICALLY,MEANS THIS IS BIG
FOR ANY ONE PARTY OR ONE GOVERNMENT. IT FALL TO OUR
SCIENTISTS ANDTRANSITION MUST BE BY
THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE’S ASSEMBLY WITH RESPECT
REPRESENTATION INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND FULL FOR
THEIR RIGHTS AND SOVEREIGNTY. WITH RESPECT AND SUPPORT
FOR TRANSITIONING WORKERS AND FOR MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY. IN
SHORT, A GREEN DEAL ALL. THAT MEANS ATON GAS, NO NEW
GOLD MINING. DECADES OF COAL PLANT PROFITS FOR NOVA SCOTIA
POWER SHAREHOLDERS. THE NOVA SCOTIA GOVERNMENT INDEED THE
SITS AT A CROSSROADS. AS NOVA IS MAKING NATIONAL
HEADLINES RIGHT WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS OF AMBITIOUS
CLIMATE TARGETS, THE REST OF CANADA PERHAPS THE IS
WATCHING OUR LEAD. FOR DECADES, THE WORLD PUT PROFITS OF
THE PREDATORY OVER REGULAR THE PLANET. TONOW, WE MUST FIND
THE COURAGEREVERSE ALL THAT. WE MUST
ENACT A GREEN NEW DEAL FOR ALL AND EMBRACE OUR ONLYIS A FUTURE
PEOPLE AND PLANET ALWAYS FIRST. THANK
YOU. The Chair: YOU VERY
MUCH, MR. YANCEY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE?
CHENDER.>>THANK YOU, MR. I CAN’T
YANCEY. THE SECOND PRESENTERTALK ABOUT A
PEOPLES OR CITIZENS ASSEMBLY. CANSPEAK A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SENSE OF WHAT THAT WOULD
LIKE. The Chair: MR. YANCEY.
>>OH, THANK YOU. THE INTENT THERE IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
LAST ROUND, WHEN THE E.U. MADE THEIR TARGETS, THEY LET
WERE INFLUENCED BY INDUSTRY DECIDE HOW
EVERYTHING WOULD DEFINED AND THEY DEFINED BIO MASS AS
RENEWABLE. AND THAT UP WITH A LOT OF CUTTING OF
TREES ALL UP AND DOWN THE EASTERN SEABOARD. TREES WERE
SENT OVER TO EUROPE BURNED IN INCINERATORS POWER. THE
WAY THEY DID THIS WAS HORRIBLE IN TERMS PROGRESS IN THE
CLIMATE CRISIS. IT WAS COUNTED AS RENEWABLE. AS CITIZENS
ESSENTIALLY WOULD 100 OR CITIZENS SELECTED AT
FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION MUCH LIKE JURY IN A
COURT TRIAL. AND THEY WOULD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OVERSEE
THE TRANSITION WHICH WOULD BE LED BY SCIENTISTS.
The Chair: YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU,
MR. YANCEY COMING INAFTERNOON. WILLA FISHER WELCOME, MS. FISHER. MINUTES.
AHEAD.>>HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS
WILLA FISHER. I’M 17. I’M A GRADE 12 STUDENT. I’M ONE OF
THE ORGANIZERS OF SCHOOL STRIKE FOR CLIMATE HALIFAX. I’M
NOT SCIENTIST. I NOT PRETEND TO BE ONE. I WILLTHIS
SHORT. I AM HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE YOUTH
FUTURES ARE AT HERE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IS NOT
GOOD ENOUGH. THE TARGETS ARE NOT AGGRESSIVE
ENOUGH. WE SHOULD BE AIMING FOR NET ZERO BY 2030, OR EVEN 2025.
WE SHOULD INCLUDING INTENSIVE EDUCATION ON CLIMATE CHANGEPART
OF OUR REQUIRED CURRICULUM IN SCOTIA. WE SHOULD
RECREATE BETTER RULES TO ENSURE PROPER INDIGENOUS CONSULTATION
AND CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WITHIN LEGISLATION WHERE
INDIGENOUS VOICES ROOM TO BE HEARD AND LONGER BE
IGNORED. WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE PLANS TO REACH THESE
GOALS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. YOU NEED TO START LISTENING TO
THE SCIENCE. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN
HERE TODAY. BY REDUCING OUR EMISSIONS FASTER THAN
WHAT THE IP CC SUGGESTS, IT GENERATIONS US A
BETTER CHANCE OF AND IT ALSO GIVES US TIME FOR MISTAKES.
IF YOUR TARGETS AREN’T MET BY 2030 OR 2050, THEN WHAT? YOU
DON’T GET A SECOND CHANCE HERE. WHAT YOU DECIDE TO DO NOW WILL
SHAPE FUTURE OF THIS ENTIRE PLANET. WHEN I READ THIS BILL,
IT DID NOT MAKE ME BELIEVE YOU UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OFCRISIS.
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL GAME. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU
CAN PASS OFF WITH A FEW VAGUE GOALS TO CALM THE PUBLIC. THIS
IS A REAL AND PRESENT ISSUE SOONER OR IS GOING
TO START AFFECTING US IN VERY REAL WAYS AND HAS. YOU
HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT FAIR TO THE
PEOPLE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING. NOVA SCOTIANS
WANT CLIMATE ACTION. AND YOU NEED TO TAKING BIGGER
STEPS. THIS MEANS NEED TO MOBILIZE AT A SCALE. WE
NEED TO BE PUTTING ALL OUR EFFORTS INTO RENEWABLE ENERGY
AND CREATING JOBS IN GREEN ECONOMY SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO
SHUT DOWN HARMFUL ACTIVITIES TO CUT CARBON EMISSIONS,WORKING IN
THOSE JOBS HAVE PLACES TO WORK. YOU NEED TO BE
TEACHING THE CHILDREN ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE
A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT THEIR FUTURES ARE CURRENTLY BEING
DESTROYED. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT HOW THEIR GOVERNMENT
IS FAILING THEM. AND TOTHAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
FIGHT FOR THE REST THEIR LIVES IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE
CLIMATE JUSTICE. LAST SEPTEMBER, WE MOBILIZED 10,000
PEOPLE IN HALIFAX TO DEMAND CLIMATE ACTION. THOSE PEOPLE
HAVEN’T GONE AWAY. WE ARE STILL HERE AND WE WILL NOT STOP
FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL ACT NOW
THE LONGER YOU WAIT, THE HARDER YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO
WORK DOWN ROAD. THE ISSUE WILL ONLY GET WORSE THE LONGER
YOU PUSH IT ASIDE. I THAT MANY OF YOU HERE WOULD TELL ME
YOU DO CARE ABOUT ACTING ON THE CLIMATE CRISIS. YOU WOULD TELL
ME IT’S ONE OF YOUR TOP PRIORITIES OR YOU’RE ALREADY
ON IT. QUITE FRANKLY I CARE ABOUT THOSE EMPTY
WORDS ANYMORE. YOU CAN SAY THE ALL YOU WANT, BUT IT
DOESN’T MAKE THEM TRUE. IN ORDER GAIN THE RESPECT AND
THE TRUST OF THE YOUTH, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR CLIMATE ACTION
EVERY WAKING HOUR. AS IF YOU CARE. FIGHT AS YOU
UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE OF HUMAN EXISTENCE DEPENDS ON YOUR
ACTIONS, BECAUSE DOES. AND IF YOU STILL DON’TTHIS, YOU NEED
TO DO SOME RESEARCH. AND IF YOU’RE NOT
READY FIGHT FOR CHANGE, THEN YOU’RE IN THE WRONG PROFESSION.
THIS BILL IS AN OPPORTUNITYFIGHT FOR CLIMATE JUSTICE. THIS
BILL COULD BE IMPROVED GREATLY AND YOU CAN IT HAPPEN. THE
IS IN YOUR HANDS NOW. ARE YOU GOING CHOOSE
THE RIGHT THING? YOU GOING TO THE EASY WAY OUT.
NOW THE TIME TO ACT SO I SINCERELY YOU MAKE THE
DECISION TODAY. MOST ADULTS WOULD LISTEN TO A CHILD
CRYING FOR HELP. LISTEN NOW. YOU SAY YOU ABOUT OUR
FUTURE. DON’T ME. The Chair: ORDER, PLEASE.
PLEASE. THANK YOU, MS. FISHER. MS. ROBERTS.
>>THANK FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. BILL IN ITS
SHORT FORM IS CALLED THE SUSTAINABILITY GOALS
ACT. TALKS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY PROSPERITY. THE
DEFINITION IN THE BILL CURRENTLY IS PROSPERITY WHERE ECONOMIC
GROWTH, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND SOCIAL
RESPONSIBILITY ARE INTEGRATED AND RECOGNIZED AS BEING
INTERCONNECTED. WHEN YOU AND
OTHER YOUNG CLIMATE ACTIVISTS ENVISION AND YOU ARE FIGHTING
FOR, CAN YOU PAINT A PICTURE OF WHAT SUSTAINABLE PROSPERITY
MIGHT LOOK IN THAT? I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S BROAD
QUESTION. The Chair: MS. FISHER.
>>I THINK WHEN I IMAGINE FUTURE, I GUESS, I OFTEN
IMAGINE IT IN THE BAD WAY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE’S A
VERY SMALL CHANCE WE CAN SAVE THE WORLD AND THAT TERRIFIES ME.
WHEN I WHAT IT MIGHTLIKE TO LIVE IN A BETTER FUTURE,
IS THAT WHEN YOU GO TO MAKE A DECISION, THERE ISN’T REALLY A
WAY FOR YOU TO MAKE THE WRONG DECISION WITHIN OUR SOCIETY. I
THINK IT’S – IT’S THE GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSIBILITY TO
MAKE SURE THAT OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS A WHEN YOU’RE
GOING TO THE STORE TO BUY SOMETHING. OR YOU’RE BUYING
HOME, YOU’RE DOING IN YOUR LIFE, IT’S THE GOVERNMENT’S
RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT DECISIONS, YOU
ARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT GOOD FOR
THE PEOPLE. WHENSTUCK IN A SOCIETY THATCONSTANTLY PUSHING
YOU IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, IMPOSSIBLE
TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. The Chair: MS. CHENDER, DID
YOU HAVE QUESTION? NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. FISHER. NEXT IS DAVID
WIMBERLY. WE’RE A LITTLEAHEAD OF HERE.
PERHAPS MR. WIMBERLY HAS ARRIVED
YET. LUSCOMB. IS SHE PRESENT? NO. SUSAN HAUERHERE,
I BELIEVE. PLEASE . I’LL
GET YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED ON FOR YOU. HAUER.
>>I’LL THAT. I SAID I’M DRAINED AND I’M SURE
YOU TOO. THANK YOU FOR OPPORTUNITY. I FROM
MY MLA THAT PUBLIC CONSULTATION ABOUT THIS MOST PIECE
OF LEGISLATION WILL BE FORTHCOMING. CAN I TRUST THIS
PROCESS WILL BE OPEN, GENUINE AND INCLUSIVE OF ALL THOSE WHO
DEPEND UPON THIS LAND TO SUSTAIN THEM? GOVERNMENT MUST
MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE WITH FIRST NATIONS, BLACK, ACADIAN AND
NEWCOMER COMMUNITIES, MUNICIPALITIES, WORKERS IN ALL
SECTORS, THOSE WHO REPRESENT THE SOCIETY’S VULNERABLE AND THE
GENERAL PUBLIC. WE LOVE OUR PROVINCE. THERE IS OF IT
FOR WHICH WE CAN BE PROUD. AT THE SAME TIME, OURHISTORY OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS TOO MANY SKELETONS IN THE
CLOSET, TOO PATTERNSCAUSE US TO CALL OUT SHAME,
SHAME AS WE THUMP THELEGISLATIVE DESK. MOST OF US
ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT OUR PLANET IS FACING A CRISIS. IS
ALSO IN AN ERA OF TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION. IF WE ARE
HONEST, BOTH ISSUES REFLECT HARMFUL LEGACY OF
COLONIALIZATION. SO THIS ACT MUST ADDRESS TWO INTERCONNECTED
ISSUES. CLIMATE AND TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION. THE PHILOSOPHY
OF DOMINION ALL THE EARTH FOREIGN TO THE INDIGENOUS
PEOPLES OF THIS LAND GAVE WAY TO THE DOCTRINE OF DISCOVERY,
COLONIALISM AND CAPITALISM. THESE BELIEF SYSTEMS ALIVE
AND THROUGHOUT NOVA SCOTIA DO NOT REPRESENT SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOPMENT. BUSINESS AS USUAL IS LONGER ACCEPTABLE.
UNCHECKED RESOURCE EXTRACTION FROM SEA FOR THE FOREST AND
THE LAND AND ALL FORMS OF FOSSIL FUELS-BASED INDUSTRIES IS
DESTROYING NOVA SCOTIA WHILE ADDING TO OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT.
NOVA SCOTIA HAS MANY ONGOING CHALLENGES TO OVERCOME. TODAY,
WE CONTINUE TO TREAT OURSELVES AS A DEVELOPING STATE.
SO DESPERATE FOR ECONOMIC SILVER BULLETS THAT OVER OVER WE
SELL OUR PROVINCE SHORT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER IN THE NAME OF
DESPERATE SCHEMES OF JOBS, JOBS, INCENTIVES,
STRIP AWAY THAT WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO SUSTAIN U.S. JUST
LOOK AT THE CAUTIONARY TALE THAT NORTHERN PULP PICTOU COUNTY
PROVIDES. SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS SPENT AND CONTINUE
TO MILLIONS MILLIONS FROM THE PUBLIC PURSE TO UP
A CORPORATE ENTITY AND ASSUME ITS LIABILITIES FOR DECADES TO
COME. – THE GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA PROUDLY ESPOUSES WE’RE
OPEN FOR BUSINESS. ANY BUSINESS? IS THERE ANYTHING TO
WHICH YOU WOULD SAY NO? THIS IS GOING LEAVE THE
IN HARBOUR AND THE SYDNEY TAR PONDS WITH HORRIFYING
HEALTH STATISTICS, BLIGHTED LANDSCAPES AND AN ENVIRONMENT
THAT WILL NO LONGER SUCH AN APPROACH TO OPEN
FOR BUSINESS WHAT THIS NEW SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT ACT
BEGIN CONTROL. IT IS NOVA SCOTIA’S CHANCE TO CHANGE
DIRECTION AND STOP DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL. BECAUSELAND
IS NOT OURS TO DESTROY, THE PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP TREATIES
DID NOT GIVE UP THE ANCESTRAL LAND OF THE PEOPLE. THE
THE ISSUE TO FACED RECONCILIATION. SO
WHICH COMES FIRST IN THIS ACT WHICH REFLECTS CHICKEN OR EGG
CONUNDRUM, GOALS AND THEN REGULATIONS OR REGULATIONS AND
GOALS. THE OFFERS A TONE USING WORDS THAT ARE GOOD
TO HEAR. WHAT THE DRAFTERS THINK WE NEED HERE.
PROVERBIAL WHITE MAN SPEAKS WITH FORK I WORRY. FEWGOALS. EVEN
THINNER ON HOW TO ACHIEVE FACTOR. REGULATIONS ARE
THERE TO BE BROKEN. YES, WE NEED FLEXIBILITY INLEGISLATION,
BUT RARELY DOES THE FLEXIBILITY WORK IN PEOPLE’S
FAVOUR. TIME AND TIME AGAIN REGULATIONS AFFORD THOSE OF
PRIVILEGE, THE ABILITY TO ACHIEVE EXCEPTIONS. FIND A WAY
AROUND THE REGULATIONS. LOOK AT SOMETHING AS AS THE
ORIGINAL VIEW PLAINSESTABLISHED BREATH TAKING VIEWS
OF HALIFAX HARBOUR FROM CITADEL HILL OR FROM THE TOP FLOOR OF
THE NEW CENTRAL LIBRARY RUINED BY REGULATIONS MADE SUBSERVIANT
GREED. THESE ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLES COMPARED TO
THE ONE OF THE FEDERALCHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE ALBERTA’S
ATON GAS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE SHUBENACADIE
RIVER. YOU SPENT 52,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY, I UNDERSTAND,
A GOLD SHOW TO ENCOURAGE GOLD MINING DEVELOPMENT
THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE. HAVE LOOKED BEYOND YOUR FOURTERM TO
THE SHORT AND LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF OPEN PIT
MINING ON ENVIRONMENT,PEOPLE’S QUALITY OF LIFE AND HEALTH? EFFECTS ON THE WATER
TABLE, WATERSHED AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND TOXIC
AND THEIR EFFECTS. ARE YOU NEED FOR
SCIENCE-BASED REGULATIONS? DO THE SHORT AND LONG-TERM
EFFECTS ON THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM, ENVIRONMENT, NEED FOR AN
EXTENSIVE CONSULTATION PROCESS, CARBON UP FIT
INTO YOUR CALCULATIONS OF DEVELOPMENTS? CANHONESTLY SAY
GOLD MINING FITS THE DEFINITION IN THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ACT OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I WON’T READ,
YOU SHOULD KNOW. OR THIS ONE IN THIS ACT OF SUSTAINABLE
PROSPERITY YOU ALSO SHOULD KNOW IN HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED INTO
DEGROWTH? WHAT MEAN BY INTEGRATED? HOW DOES
RECOGNITION AFFECTMAKING ACTION OR NON ACTION?
ONCE AGAIN AS PER THE ROLLOUT TO CONSULTATION ITSELF, YOUR
TIMING SEEMS TO BE BENT ON DISCOURAGING PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION. I’M VERY GRATEFUL TO EXTENSION OF THE
TIMEFRAME GIVEN INTO THE EVENING TONIGHT. BUT AS WROTE,
THE PROVINCIALQUIETLY POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE
ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON FOR THIS MONDAY MORNING HEARING. HOW DO
YOU PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE WITH SUCH SHORT NOTICE? YOU
COULD HAVE LEAST CONTACTED THOSE WHO SUBMITTED TO THE
CONSULTATION PROCESS TO LET US ABOUT FIRST READING.
SPOKE TO OUR WAS NOT CERTAIN OF THE SCHEDULE FOR
READINGS IN THE LAW AMENDMENT HEARING. IF HE DOES NOT KNOW,
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW REALISTICALLY? WELL HERE I
PARTICIPATING OF YOUR ENDEAVOUR TO KILL MY FAITH IN
DEMOCRACY. RETHINK GOLD. IT IS WILLFUL IGNORANCE TO CALL THIS
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. CLIMATE ACTION AND TRUTH AND
RECONCILIATION ACTION MUST BE FUNDAMENTALLAL TO ALL THAT COMES
NEXT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS AND SHARE
MY THOUGHTS ON NOVA SCOTIA’S FUTURE. PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT
YOU ARE DOING. – FUNDAMENTAL. The Chair: THANK YOU, MS.
HAUER. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? MS. ROBERTS.
>>JUST ONE QUESTION TO CLARIFY YOUR POINT ABOUT NOTIFICATION OF
LAW AMENDMENTS. CAN I ASK IF PARTICIPATED IN THE 30-DAY
ON-LINE CONSULTATION ON THIS ACT DID THAT RESULT IN ANY
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU RELATED TO COMMITTEE?
The Chair: MS. HAUER.>>I WROTE TO CONSULTATION.
I FOLLOW THE RULES. I DIDN’T COVER THE THREE LITTLE,
HOW MANY POINTS THERE WERE, BUT IT WAS TOTALLY IRONIC THE
CONSULTATION WAS ANNOUNCED RIGHT BEFORE LABOUR DAY. RIGHT BEFORE
OPENING OF SCHOOL, UNIVERSITIES. RIGHT BEFORE THE
CLIMATE ACTION WEEK AND RIGHT BEFORE A FEDERAL ELECTION. HOW
MANY PEOPLE WERE PAYING ATTENTION DURING THAT PARTICULAR
PERIOD OF TIME FOR SUCH A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, CONSULTATION TO
ANNOUNCED? BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DID FOLLOW UP
WITH OUR MLA. AS I SAID, OUR MLA WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE US A
PRECISE TIME ABOUT WHEN THE FIRST READING GOING TAKE
PLACE. IT’S ONLY THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL NETWORKS AND
UNDERGROUND THAT WE FOUND OUT THIS WAS HAPPENING AND SPENT THE
WHOLE WEEKEND TRYING TOTOGETHER FOR SOMETHING TODAY.
THANK YOU. The Chair: ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MS. HAUER. I UNDERSTAND DAVID
WIMBERLY HAS ARRIVED. The Chair: MR. WIMBERLY, HE
HAVE A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES FOR YOU. TEN FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION, UP TO AND THEN FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS IF
NECESSARY. THE FLOOR YOURS.>>THANK YOU. AND THANK FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HERE. I’M SURE YOU HEARD BEFORE,
BUT IT WAS A WELL PUBLICIZED PLOY TO DISCOURAGE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION, TO ANNOUNCE ON A FRIDAY EVENINGA VERY
OBSCURE PLACE RATHER THAN PRESS CONFERENCES
FOR SOMETHING AS BIG AS THIS, THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENTSCOTIA
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE WORLD. SO, BUT HERE WE
ARE. YOU HAVE SEEN, THE RESULTS THAT SO MANY ARE WANTING
TO COME HERE. SO I’M GOING TO BY SAYING THAT NEED A
BIGGER PROCESS. FAR BIGGER PROCESS THAN WHAT’S ENVISIONED
IN ACT. YES, GOOD THAT YOU’RE TAKING AN INTEREST
IN THIS. HOW DO YOU BEYOND? YOUR TIMELINE IS TOO LATE.
YOU’RE ASPARATIONS ARE TOO LITTLE. CHANGE IS TOO SHALLOW.
I HAVE SEEN POSTING THAT THATTING THIS A –
THAT THIS A DEATH SENTENCE. IT’S A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. NOT
CLIMATE WALK IN THE PARK. IF
YOU HAD LIKEEMERGENCY, YOU WOULD HAVE DAILY
MEETINGS. YOU WOULD BE AMASSING LIKE IT WAS WORLD
WAR II. AND YOU WOULD BE CHANGING INDUSTRY IMMEDIATELY
TELLING THEM WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO THINGS TO STOP
CLIMATE CHANGE. BUT SO FAR IT
SEEMS AS IF IT’S IN ONLY. THE TRANSFORMATION NEEDS TO BE
ENVISIONED FAR DIFFERENTLY. AND YOU EMBED WITHIN THIS TEXT KEY
WORDS THAT TRIGGER US TO SAY THAT IT’S NOT SINCERE. FOR
INSTANCE, YOU TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC AS BEING A CORE
VALUE. WELL, IT’S WELL DOCUMENTED THAT ECONOMIC GROWTH
IS ONE OF THE CORE PROBLEMS THAT WHEN THAT IS YOUR RELIGION, AND
MATERIALISM NEOLIBERALISM, VARIOUS WORDS. BUT CONSUMERISM
AND ENDLESS GROWTH IS YOUR RELIGION, IT’S LIKE RELIGION
OF A CANCER. WHEN DO WE RECOGNIZE IT AS A CANCER? WE
HAVE TO WITHIN THE MEANSA PLANET. WHEN YOU TAKE THE
MI’KMAW WORD THAT MEANSRESPECT FOR ALL LIVING ACTION
AND BEINGS YOU’RE GOING TO USE IT AS TERM
TO LIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE CAN HAVE AS NO
OBSERVABLE, ADVERSE EFFECT, OR EVEN AD VERSE EFFECT YOU’RE
WILLING TO LIVE WITH, ACCEPTABLE ADVERSE EFFECT, YOU’RE NOT
UNDERSTANDING THE TERMS OF ALL MY RELATIONS. PLANTS, ANIMALS,
TREES, GREENERY, SO ON ALL OUR RELATIONS. WE HAVE TOTHEM
AS IF THEY ARE FAMILY.
IT’S REALLY STARK. I WOULD SAY WITHIN PUBLIC CONSULTATION THE
WAY IT UP WILL GIVE US A RESULT THAT WORK.
THIS IS YOU LISTEN TO A OF PEOPLE THAT COME THAT
PRESENT TO YOU. PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF WHAT’S
RIGHT, WRITE ALL THAT DOWN. THEY’RE TO WRITE DOWNTHINGS THAT
RESONATE WITH THEM. THEN THEY COME TOGETHER IN A
BACK ROOM AND UP WITH THEIR VERSION OF WHAT TALKED ABOUT.
IT’S GOING TO CHANGE THEN. PUT POLITICIANS ELECTED WITH
DONATIONS THAT INFLUENCED THEM. AND THE WHAT’S BEING SAID WILL
MORE AND MORE AND SOON IT BEARS LITTLE RESEMBLANCE TO WHAT MIGHT
WORK. IF YOU’RE GOING TO DO PROCESS, UPON A
TIME, HERE IN BEAUTIFUL PROVINCE, WE HAD A PUBLIC
PROCESS THAT ACTUALLY WORKED. THAT’S WHAT WE DID COME
UP WITH OUR WASTE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. WE HAD A
CITIZEN GROUP THAT WAS EMPOWERED TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY AND
IT WAS BE CITIZENS. IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE
CORPORATIONS. IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE POLITICIANS. ANY PERSON
AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN COULD ATTEND. AND WORKED IN THIS
A BIT. WE CAME UP WITH A BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY. AND IT
RESULTED IN A LANDFILL WE COULD CITE THAT IS CAUSING NOT ONLY –
IT’S HAVING A NET HAVING LANDFILL IN THE SYSTEM AND
THE COMPOSTING WHICH IS SOMETHING I PLAYED A BIG ROLE
SO CHALLENGING YOU TO USE THE SAME TO COME UP
WITH YOUR STRATEGY. INSTEAD OF THE STANDARD CONSULTATION, WHICH
END UP IN DISASTER. YOU’LL END UP WITH THE CHILDREN LOOKING
BACK AT THIS AS THEY GROW UP. AND LOOKING YOU AS
CLIMATE CRIMINALS. IF YOU DO AND GET TOGETHER WITH
THE WISDOM OF THE POPULATION AND THE BEST SCIENCE, WE WILL
ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THAT THE CHILDREN AND THE YOUTH AND THE
FIRST NATIONS ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, WE CAN
IMAGINE, THEY WILL HAVE ALL HAD THEIR SAY. AND IT WILL BE,JUST
A COMPROMISE, LIKE IN THE POLITICAL SYSTEM, BUT IT WILL BE
A VISIONARY EXERCISE. WE HOW TO IT. I KNOW DO IT. I
STILL HAVE THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE EARLY 90s.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LED THAT STILL AROUND. I’M NOTONLY ONE. THAT’S THE FIRST
THING. I’M OFFERING YOU SOMETHING HERE THAT I DON’T
BELIEVE ANYONE ELSE HAS. IT WILL WORK. BUT NOTHING OF
WILL. NOW, THE OTHER PART IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PUBLIC
PROCESS IS. AND I’M ENGAGED IN THE MID NOVEMBER IN HELPING
DESIGN A SET FOUR PROGRAMS THAT LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE
CLIMATE EMERGENCY. SOLUTIONS FOR SURVIVAL. BEST EXAMPLES
FROM DENMARK AND SWEDEN AND EUROPE. HOW WE TALK ABOUT
THE CLIMATE CRISIS? INTERGENERATIONAL CONVERSATION.
THAT’S TOGETHER WITH THE ANGLICAN ENVIRONMENTAL NETWORK.
EARLY ON YOU HEARD A GENTLEMAN IN THAT NETWORK SPEAKING.
INTERTRANSITION. TRUTH, COURAGE AND UNFOLDING A TIME OF
CRISIS. THAT’S IN CO-OPERATION WITH UMA
MUSK AND THE ECO DHARMA ACTION GROUP. A TRANSITION LAUNCH
WORKSHOP THAT IS DONE BY TRANSITION AT ST. PARKING
GREAT’S. THESE ARE — ST. MARGARET’S TO ENVISION THE
FUTURE SO WE CAN TRANSITION IN A WAY UPLIFTING. WE DON’T BUILD
UP SO MUCH PRESSURE ONTHAT YOU SEE WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
CHILE. AND YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BIGGEST PROTESTS OVER THIS EVER.
HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU THINK IT’S GOING TO TAKE BEFORE PEOPLE GET
TO THE CHILEAN RESULT HERE? I DON’T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. IT
DOESN’T NEED TO HAPPEN. YOU’RE AT A CROSSROADS. YOU CAN KEEP
THAT FROM HAPPENING. THANK YOU. I’M GOING TO FIRST OFF SO THAT
EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING AND YOU GUYS CAN SEE, THAT’S OUR POSTER
FOR THIS. AND I HOPE THERE’S SOMEWHERE I CAN LEAVE A POSTER
WHERE YOU PUT IT UP HERE. AND HERE’S A FLYER. YOU CAN GET ALL
THIS INFORMATION AT TRANSITION BAY.CA/EVENTS. AND I KNOW
EVERYONE WHO IS ON THE HANSARD CAN COME AND SEE THAT AND READ
IT. BUT I COULD GO THROUGH BIT BY BIT AND TAKE THIS APART. AND
I PRESENTED AT LAW AMENDMENTS STARTING AT THE 1990s AND ONCE
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A PRESENTATION THAT MEANT A BILL
WAS STOPPED, THE COMMITTEE STOPPED AT THAT POINT, CHECKED
OUT MY FACTS WITHDREW THE BILL IMMEDIATELY. HERE I’M
ASKING YOU TO REWRITE SO THAT WE HAVE KIND OF PUBLIC
CONSULTATION THAT WILL REALLY WORK. AND WE TRAIN THE
PEOPLE OF IT WITH THINGS LIKE THIS. SO THEY KNOW HOW TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE KINDS OF PUBLIC PROCESS THAT’S NOT THE
ADVERSARIAL PROCESS THAT WE’RE BUILDING OUR COLLECTIVE WISDOM.
THE WISDOM TO SURVIVE IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY LIKE OUR HOUSE
IS ON FIRE BECAUSE IT IS.
The Chair: THANK YOU VERY [INAUDIBLE] The Chair: EXCUSE ME. YOUR
MIC DIDN’T COME ON. MS. MILLER. NO.
>>HERE GO. OK. RIGHT. THE 25 OR GROUPS,
INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS IN THERE THAT DID CONSULTATION.
THERE WAS AN ON-LINE PRESENTATION. WHAT WOULD YOU
SEE PUBLIC CONSULTATION? THERE TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT
WORK WITH ON-LINE PRESENTATION. GIVES ROOM
FOR AND THINGSTHAT. WHAT CONSULTATION WOULD YOU HAVE
FOR SOMETHING THIS?
The Chair: MR. WIMBERLY.>>THANK YOU. THAT’S AN
EXCELLENT QUESTION. THE PREMISE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.
BUILDINGTHAN MAKING PRESENTATIONS AND
THEN HAVING SOME OTHER GROUP THEM. THE GROUP THERE
GETS TO ARGUE THE FACTS. TO PRESENT THEM. DEBATE THEM. AND
IT’S NOT ADVERSARIAL. NOT WAITING UNTIL SOMEOR DEPUTY
MINISTER, BUREAUCRATS IN THIS CASE, OTHER PEOPLE
EVALUATING. SAY BELIEVE IT OR NOT. LIKE THE OFFSHORE
PETROLEUM BOARD. PRESENTING IT TO A PANEL THAT
ARE INSIDERS. THEY’RE BIASED. THEY WILL ONLY SEE
THINGS THROUGH THE BLINDERS. THEY CAN’T SEE OUTSIDE THAT, FOR
INSTANCE, FISHERY AND TOURISM MORE VALUABLE THAN OFFSHORE
PETROLEUM. YOU GET A BIASED ANSWER IN WAY. I’M SAYING
THE TRADITIONAL WAY YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ANSWERS
BIASED AND WE DON’T NEED. HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
THE PRESENTERS TO DEBATE THEJUST THE FACTS BUT THE VALUE OF
FACTS. THE MOST IMPORTANT. HOW DO IT?
YOU PROBABLE GET SOMETHINGHAS A GREATER SCOPE. DIFFERENT
PRESENTERS TALKED HOW FORESTRY WAS INCLUDED. OUR
OFFSHORE OIL. [PLEASE STAND BY] [ Stand by for captioning ] The Chair: WELCOME,
MISGILBERT. Mrs.
Mrs. GILBERT. // THANK YOU.
The Chair: THE FLOOR IS YOURS. // I’M A MI’KMAW STUDENT.
TODAY, I CARRY THE WEIGHT OF YOUR DECISIONS ON MY SHOULDERS.
LET ALONE MY YOUTH EXPELLEDDERS WHO FIGHT FOR THE SAME AND RIGHT
CAUSES. OUR BIGGEST FEAR IS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR
FUTURE BECAUSE IT’S IN YOUR HANDS. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER
THE WATERS YOU POISON, THE FOSSIL FUELS YOU EMIT AND THE
ANIMALS YOU’LL MAKE GO EXTINCT. YOU ALL KNOW ALTON GAS A COMPANY
PROPOSING TO HELP NOVA SCOTIANS WITH AFFORDABLE NATURAL GAS YEAR
ROUND. TO DO SO, THEY HAVE TO BUILD SALT CAVERNS. THIS WILL
HAPPEN AT THE SHUBENACADIE RIVER. THEY SAY IT WON’T
CONTAMINATE THE WATER BUT THE WHOLE PROCESS IS TO GET THE GAS
FLOWING. AS THIS HAPPENS, IT WILL AFFECT ALL AQUATIC LIFE AND
MAKE THE WATER UNHABITABLE AND NOT TO MENTION UNFILTERABLE. —
UNENNABLABLE. SORRY. THIS WILL — UNINHABITABLE. THIS
WILL CAUSE THE SALINE LEVELS TO RISE DRASTICALLY AND WITH THE
CONSTANT HIGHEST TIDES AND CURRENTS IN THE WORLD, IT WILL
BE PUSHED BACK INTO THE BAY OF FUNDY OUT INTO THE ATLANTIC
OCEAN. OUR ATLANTIC OCEAN IS A TRAILWAY THAT CONNECTS US TO
MANY OTHER PROVINCES AND COUNTRIES. IMAGINE HOW MANY
COULD GET AFFECTED IN THE PROCESS OF THIS PROPOSAL. OF
COURSE, THIS WON’T HAPPEN AND OPINION AN IMMEDIATE REACTION
BUT OVER A TIME, IT WILL 100% HAPPEN.
OVER HUNDREDS — OVER THOUSANDS OF SPECIES LIVE IN THE ATLANTIC
SOCIAL WITH WITH THE BRINING PROCESS, THIS COULD SERIOUSLY
AFFECT THEM. THERE IS NO WAY ANY FISH BIG OR SMALL COULD
PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR WHAT IS AHEAD. I’M GETTING BLASTED BY
200 PARTS PER THOUSAND OF INDICTED BRINES INTO THEIR GILS.
IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF DEAD AQUATIC LIFE THAT WOULD WASH UP
ON OUR WATERS. SHUBENACADIE RIVER — THE MI’KMAW PEOPLE
NEVER CELTS THE FOR LAND CLAIMS IN THIS AREA. THIS LAND HAS
NEVER BEEN DISRESPECTED OR TAKEN FOR GRANTED UNTIL NOW. MY
COUSIN, CHIEF OF INDIAN BROOK RESERVATION HAD LAND CLAIMS
UNTIL HE SOLD BACK IN 2018. IT IS A BIG FIGHT FOR US MI’KMAW
PEOPLE TO PROTECT OUR LAND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE MOTHER NATURE IS
WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO US AND WHAT IS MOST SACRED AND HAS
ALWAYS BEEN. YOU’RE MADE OUT OF WATER, YOU
COME FROM WATER AS MY MOTHER SAID EARLIER, YOU ARE WATER,
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU WITHOUT IT? MI’KMAW PEOPLE — MY HEART
BREAKS WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE ANCESTORS AND ELDERS WHO HAVE
SAT ON THE LAND FOR YEARS BEFORE US THAT HAVE TO NOW WATCH IT BE
DESTROYED. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE WATER
PROTECTORS NEXT TO THE ALTON GAS SITE WHO HAVE SET UP THEIR OWN
SITE TO KEEP AN EYE ON ALTON’S PROCESS BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT,
THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE WITH IT. THEY HAVE A COURT CASE
AGAINST THEM CLAIMING BY THREE GRANDMOTHERS THAT THESE ARE —
THIS IS OUR LAND AND WE HAVE RIGHTS TO IT. ONE OF THEM BEING
MY MOTHER. AS THE MI’KMAW PEOPLE HAVE TREATIES TO THE
LAND, TO THE RIVER, AND TO THE FISH, IT SHALL BE OURS. WITH
YOU ALL JUST STANDING BY AND LETTING THIS HAPPEN, WE’RE
LOSING THESE RIGHTS YOU’VE GIVEN THIS AND NOW YOU’RE JUST TAKING
THEM BACK? THE BILL YOU’RE PROPOSING SAYS YOU WILL TAKE
IMMEDIATE CLIMATOLOGIST TO ANY ACTION AND ANY CLIMATE CRISIS IN
NEED. WELL, TAKE A BIG LOOK AT THIS ONE. ALSO, WHY ARE YOU —
WHY — WHY ARE YOU NOT TEACHING OUR CHILDREN AND YOUTH ON THIS
SUBJECT THAT WE’VE BEEN AWARE OF SINCE THE 1980 NOVA SCOTIA 1980s? ARE YOU JUST
ALLOWING THE CHILDREN NOT KNOWING THE FUTURE IS BEING
SHREDDED INTO PIECES. YOUR DECISIONS ARE OUR FUTURE AND
DON’T FORGET. THAT THIS BILL IS MISSING SO MANY IMPORTANT
ASPECTS AND I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THAT TIME
AND CHANGE IT IN CONSIDERATION WITH THE WORDS THAT EVERYBODY
HAS TOLD YOU TODAY.
YOU SAY YOU CARE ABOUT MY FUTURE. DON’T TELL ME. SHOW
ME. The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. MS. LEBLANC?
// HI. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND FOR
PROTECTING THE WATERS AND THE LANDS OF THIS AREA AND WITH
OTHER FIRST NATIONS PROTECTING TURTLE ISLAND. AS A SETTLER, I
APPRECIATE AND AM DEEPLY GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR PROTECTING
THIS LAND, YOUR LAND. I HAVE BEEN AT THE TREATY TRACK HOUSE
SEVERAL TIMES AND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN HONOURED TO PARTICIPATE IN
A WATER CEREMONY WITH ELDER DOREEN BERNARD WHICH WAS VERY
POWERFUL AND AMAZING. AND I ABSOLUTELY STAND WITH YOU ON THE
ALTON GAS ISSUE. I THINK THAT IT IS REPREHENSIBLE WHAT’S GOING
ON AND I WILL CONTINUE TO USE MY VOICE IN THE LEGISLATURE TO
OPPOSE WHAT IS HAPPENING. BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU AND I’M SORRY
ABOUT MY BUTCHERING OF THIS PRONUNCIATION, BUT THE
MI’KMAW — SOMEONE CAN HELP ME MAYBE, THE MI’KMAW TERM
NADUGULAMIK, IS THAT RIGHT? ANYONE? ANYONE? WHICH IS ONE
OF THE PRINCIPLES ON WHICH THIS ACT IS BEING WRITTEN AND IT’S
DEFINED IN THE WRITING OF THE ACT AS THE USE OF THE NATURAL
BOUNTY PROVIDED BY THE CREATE IT FOR THE SELF SUPPORT AND WELL
BEING OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY BY ACHIEVING ADEQUATE
STANDARDS OF COMMUNITY, NUTRITION, AND ECONOMIC WELL
BEING WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE PRODUCT ACTIVITY, DIVERSITY OF
THE ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT IS A PART OF THIS PIECE OF
LEGISLATION AND I’M WONDERING AS A MI’KMAW PERSON AND MAYBE THIS
IS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT’S A BIG QUESTION, BUT WHEN I READ THAT,
I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT IT’S IN THERE,
BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION DOESN’T DO
ENOUGH AND I’M WONDERING IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT, GIVEN THAT
YOU ARE — OR YOUR FAMILY ARE WATER PROTECTORS AND LAND
PROTECTORS, DO YOU FELL LIKE THIS LEGISLATION IS ADHERING TO
THIS PRINCIPLE WHICH IS A MI’KMAW PRINCIPLE?
The Chair: MISGILBERT? // LIKE, HOW IT’S SAYING THAT
YOU HAVE TO — THE WHERE IT WAS, LIKE — USE NATURE’S RESOURCES,
THAT’S WHAT’S GIVEN YOU TO THERE. EVERYTHING COMES FROM
MOTHER NATURE. YOU’RE SITTING ON MOTHER NATURE. YOU KNOW WHAT
I SEEN IN AND EVERY LITTLE ASPECT, YOU COME FROM MOTHER
NATURE. EVERY LITTLE THINK OF YOU COMES FROM MOTHER NATURE.
YOU GO INTO, YOUR, YOUR DNA, THERE’S ATOMS FROM THE STARS IN
THE SKY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT’S YOU ARE YOUR
RESOURCES. SO IT’S IN, LIKE, IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU SHOULD BE
ABLE TO HAVE RESOURCES — YOUR RESOURCE IS NOT DESTROYED. AND
IN THERE, IT’S SAYING THAT BUT IT’S NOT BEING SPECIFIC AS TO
WHAT THEY MEAN FROM, LIKE, PROTECTING NATURE IN A SENSE
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO SAY BUT THEY’RE JUST
NOT. YEAH. The Chair: Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I’M CURIOUS. I ATTENDED THE STUDENT-LED CLIMATE MARCH UP
AT CITY HALL. YOU WERE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS UP. SO MY COMMENT
WOULD BE DON’T BE NERVOUS HERE. YOU STOOD IN FRONT OF 10,000
PEOPLE AND TALKED. YOU DID A TERRIFIC JOB. YOU MENTIONED
YOU’RE IN GRADE 12 SO YOU’RE PRETTY MUCH NOW AT THENT OF YOUR
EDUCATION CAREER WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. ONE OF THE
THINGS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IN REGARDS TO THE
LACK OF THIS BILL OR THE NEED TO ENFORCE IS THROUGH EDUCATION.
SO I’M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW, HAVING GONE FROM PRIMARY NOW AND
LEAVING IN GRADE 12, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED THROUGH THE PUBLIC
SCHOOL SYSTEM IN REGARDS TO ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE SO FAR?
The Chair: Mrs. GILBERT? // HONESTLY, NOT A LOT. IN
MI’KMAW CLASS, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR, IN GRADE 11, WE
TALKED ABOUT ALTAGAS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP AND
THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE I CAME FORTH WITH IT. AND I MADE THAT A
CLASS DISCUSSION FOR A COUPLE OF CLASSES BECAUSE IT’S SOMETHING
THAT MADE ITS TO BE DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT. YOUTH DON’T
EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT ALTON GAS. I DIDN’T UNTIL I WAS 1 THEY, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THE — UNTIL I WAS 13, YOU KNOW WHAT I
SEEN IN THE ONLY REAL EDUCATION I’VE GOT FROM CLIMATE CHANGE IS,
LIKE, THE STORMS THAT ARE COMING. LIKE, OUR TEACHERS
DON’T FILL NEWS ON ANYTHING. WE ONLY LEARN WEATHER WHEN WE’RE IN
LIVING ROOM SCHOOL. YOU ONLY LEARN YOUR FORECAST WHEN IT’S
SUNNY AND HOW IT RAINS IN PRIMARY AND THEN YOU’RE DONE
WITH WEATHER. YOU DON’T LEARN ABOUT IT. YOU’RE NOT TAUGHT
WHAT PEOPLE ON, LIKE, THE WEATHER CHANNEL ARE TAUGHT
BECAUSE THAT’S — YOU GO TO SCHOOL FOR THAT. BUT WHY AROUND
YOU TAUGHT THAT, LIKE, OUR EARTH IS ON FIRE? YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN? BUT YOU’RE NOT.
The Chair: ANYTHING FURTHER? // THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. YOU’RE AN AMAZING YOUNG PERSON. CAN WE HAVE A
COPY OF YOUR SUBMISSION AND CAN YOU — OKAY. IF YOU — YOU CAN
SEND IT IN LATER EVEN, OKAY, IF IT’S ON YOUR PHONE. BUT KEEP
DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING. The Chair: THANK YOU. ANY
FURTHER QUESTIONS? IS THANK YOU, MS. GILBERT. REALLY HAPPY
YOU WERE ABLE TO JOIN US THIS AFTERNOON.
DAVID PATRIQUIN. NOT SCHEDULED
UNTIL 4. WELL, JUST TO LET
FOLKS KNOW, WE’RE REACHING OUT TO THOSE 43 THAT HAD REACHED OUT
EARLIER AND GETTING SOME VOICE MAILS AND WITH THINGS LIKE THAT,
SO PLEASE, IF YOU’RE WATCHING OR IF YOU’RE IN THE CHAMBER, PLEASE
CONTACT LEG COUNCIL. WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU IN THE
NEXT FEW HOURS. I ARE OPEN IT UP. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE
FLOOR THAT PUT THEIR NAME FORWARD TO LEG COUNCIL BEFORE
NOON THAT HAD NOT HEARD BACK? // [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: PLEASE COME
FORWARD. YOU WOULD BE MARGO? // YES. MARGO ALDRICH.
The Chair: GREAT. WELCOME, MS. ALDRICH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
// THANK YOU. A FRIEND OF MINE SUGGESTED THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD
CRY TODAY, SO I’VE DECIDED IT’S ME. I AM THE MOTHER OF WILLA
FISHER. SHE IS ONE OF THE SCHOOL’S ORGANIZATIONS. AND I
WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE THREE CHILDREN AND ALL OF THEIR
LIVES WE’VE TALKED ABOUT GRANDCHILDREN. I AM SO
DESPERATE FOR GRANDCHILDREN. AND IT IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR WHEN
WILLA AND SOME OF HER FRIENDS DECIDED TO TAKE THE NO FUTURE,
NO CHILDREN PLEDGE. THAT I THINK ALL OF THIS REALLY JUST
HIT ME IN THE GUT. WHEN YOU HAVE A 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL
WHO TELLS YOU THAT SHE DOES NOT FEEL THAT IT IS IN ANY WAY A
GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A CHILD, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED
TO SAY OR DO TO THAT. AND INCREASINGLY, I’M MEETING MORE
AND MORE PEOPLE WITH WHOM I’M WORKING IN CLIMATE ACT VICTIM
AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE MEETINGS WHERE I SIT THERE IF THAT
MEETING AND I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND I REALIZE THAT
EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS SORT OF IN THE 20s OR 30s AGE
RANGE AND PRETTY MUCH NANNY 9% CERTAIN THAT NONE OF THESE
PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM IS IN ANY WAY CONSIDERING HAVING A CHILD.
AND I JUST THAT CREATES SUCH A PROFOUND SENSE OF WHAT OUR YOUTH
ARE FEELING AND WHAT WE HAVE
DONE TO ROB THEM OF THEIR FUTURE.
SO THAT’S MY PREFACE FOR MY ACTUAL SPEECH. SO THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK HERE
TODAY. I’M HERE LOOKING AT US ALL AS
FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS, AS PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER AS A
COMMUNITY. I CANNOT IMAGINE THE COMPLEXITY OF YOUR JOBS, NOR CAN
I IMAGINE YOUR OCCASIONAL NEED TO DETACH FROM ISSUES THAT ARE
TOO BIG TO CARRY. IT’S NO DOUBT VERY DIFFICULT,
BUT TODAY IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE TODAY IS ALL ABOUT US, ALL BEING
HERE TOGETHER AND ABOUT HUMANS IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD.
IT’S ABOUT OUR VULNERABILITY, THE VULNERABILITY OF THE PEOPLE
WE LOVE AND THE VULNERABILITY OF THE CHILDREN IN OUR LIVES. IT’S
ABOUT YOU, THE MEMBERS, WORKING FROM YOUR QUIET DEEP PERSONAL
CONVICTIONS WITH AN URGENCY THAT WILL BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
IT’S ABOUT REINVENTING AND REIMAGINING AND DOING THINGS
DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THIS NEW REALITY IS UNPRECEDENTED IN
HISTORY. BILL 213, WHILE LAUDABLE IN ITS EFFORTS TO
ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS, DOES NOT GO NEARLY FAR ENOUGH. THE
TARGETS FOR EMISSIONS OUTLINED IN THE BILL ARE NOT IN LANE
ABOUT THE TARGETS THAT WE NEED TO MEET IN ORDER TO KEEP GLOBAL
HEATING TO BELOW 1.5 . I’VE BEEN READING THAT THE ACT SETS
OUT A REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS TO TAKE PLACE IN
THE COMING YEAR THAT WILL INFORM THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROVINCIAL
CLIMATE CHANGE PLAN FOR CLEAN GROWTH. I AM CONCERNED THIS
TIME LINE SOUNDS LIKE BUSINESS IS RUNNING AS USUAL BUT WE ALL
KNOW VERY WELL NOW THIS IS NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL.
WHILE IT IS UNREALISTIC TO THINK PLANS CAN HAPPEN
INSTANTANEOUSLY, WE KNOW THAT IN TIMES OF CRISIS, THEY DO, AND
SINCE WE KNOW THIS IS A CRISIS AND THE IMMEDIATE RAPID DECREASE
IN EMISSIONS IS ESSENTIAL, WHY DOES THE TIME LINE OF THE PLAN
REFLECT A COMPLETE LACK OF URGENCY. AND THEN WE STRETCH
THINGS EVEN LONGER WITH A PROPOSAL TO REDUCE EMISSIONS
WITH A 55% LEVEL. THAT IS TOO LATE, WHEN IT IS TOO LATE TO
TURN CLIMATE CHANGE AROUND. AND ALL WE HAVE GIVEN IS AN EFFORT
AND NOT AN ACHIEVEMENT AND THAT IS ASSUMING WE MEET THE DEADLINE
AND HOW OFTEN DOES THAT REALLY HAPPEN. THIS IS TOO LITTLE MUCH
TOO LATE. CLIMATE GRIEF IS THE CONDITION MOSTLY IN YOUNG PEOPLE
AND WITH A LOT OF ADULTS INCREASINGLY WHICH CONSISTS OF
ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION COMING FROM THE DESPAIR AT NOTHING
BEING DONE TO SAVE THEIR FUTURE. AS THE MOTHER OF A SCHOOL
STRIKER, I KNOW IF YOU TALK TO ANY ADOLESCENT, YOU WILL HEAR
ALL ABOUT IT. HERE’S AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK
AT EVERY YOUNG PERSON IN THIS LEVEL AND EVERY CHILD YOU CARE
ABOUT AND TELL THEM THAT YOU, AS A DECISION MAKER, HAVE DECIDED
TO TRY HARDER AND TO ACT AS YOU WOULD IF THEIR LIVES NEEDED
SAVING. NOT ONLY DURING OFFICE HOURS, NOT TAKING ALL YOUR
VACATION AS SICK DAYS, IN THE AVOIDING DIFFICULT
CONVERSATIONS, NOT TRYING TO STAY POPULAR OR NORMAL IN ANY
WAY, BECAUSE NORMAL HAS NEVER BROUGHT CHANGE AND WELL BEHAVED
PEOPLE HAVE NEVER MADE HISTORY. IN THE FACE OF EXTINCTION, WE
ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO EXTRAORDINARY THINGS WITH
EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE. AND WE LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE
IN DOING SO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.
The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID YOU INDICATE A
QUESTION OR AM I GOING TO Mr. JOHNS? Mr. JOHNS?
// THANK YOU. THANK YOU, Mr. CHAIR. YOU’RE TALKING IN
REGARDS TO URGENCY AND TIME LINES AND ALL THAT. I JUST
WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU’RE CLEAR, SO AFTER THIS, THE
PROCESS AFTER IT PASSES THE HOUSE IS TO TAKE AT LEAST 12 TO
14 MORE MONTHS TO DO PUBLIC CONSULTATION BEFORE ANY OF THIS
IS IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. AND HOW DO YOU
FEEL ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 12 TO 14 MONTHS BEFORE ANYTHING IS
DONE? The Chair: Mrs. ALDRICH?
// IT MAKES ME FEEL HOPELESS. IT — I THINK ABOUT THE DAMAGE
THAT WILL BE DONE DURING THAT TIME AND, YOU KNOW, I’M NOT
UNAWARE OF THE FACT THAT THINGS DO TAKE TIME AND CONSULTATION IS
ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT CONSULTING WITH
SCIENTISTS. BUT I HAVE TO BELIEVE SOMEHOW THAT THERE IS A
WAY TO SPEEDIATE THIS — EXPEDIATE THIS, THAT THERE IS A
WAY TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FASTER.
The Chair: Mrs. LEBLANC. // THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE WOULD RECOGNIZE ME AS
THE CRYER OF THE LEGISLATURE, SO I AM RIGHT THERE WITH YOU,
SISTER! I CRY A LOT. AND I MAY CRY WHEN I ASK THIS QUESTION,
JUST FOR THE RECORD. I HAVE A LITTLE GIRL, A 7-YEAR-OLD GIRL,
AND I PROTECT HER IF ALL OF THIS SO FAR. SHE CAME TO THE LAST
CLIMATE STRIKE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF
PROTECTING MOTHER EARTH AT THIS POINT IN OUR HOUSE. WE DON’T
TALK ABOUT HER NOT CHOOSING TO HAVE CHILDREN HERSELF. RIGHT
NOW, SHE’S IN A PLACE WHERE SHE HAS BIG DREAMS AND I’M NOT READY
TO TALK ABOUT IT YET. BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT HOW THINGS AROUND GOOD ENOUGH IN THIS BILL SO, YOU
KNOW, 2050 IS TOO LATE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS YOU’RE SAYING. CAN
YOU SAY REALLY CLEARLY WHAT SHOULD BE IN THIS BILL.
The Chair: Mrs. ALDRICH? // NO, I CAN’T. AND FORTUNATELY
I’M SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS WHO HAVE ALREADY ARTICULATED THAT
WHO WILL CONTINUE TO ARREST TECH LATE THAT AND TO WHOM I LISTEN
TO ON A REGULAR BASIS. I DON’T FEEL UP TO SPEED AND EDUCATED
YET BUT BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS
THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SUCH A RAPID DECLINE AND SITTING AROUND
TALKING ABOUT IT, WE JUST DON’T HAVE TIME.
The Chair: MS. ROBERTS. // I APPRECIATED VERY MUCH YOUR
COMMENT ABOUT HOW IT IS TIME TO STOP ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS
NORMAL AND I FEEL LIKE IN THE LEGISLATURE AND CERTAINLY SINCE
I’VE BEEN ELECTED, I OFTEN FEEL LIKE I’M AWARE OF THAT TENSION
IF MY OWN BODY OF KIND OF STILL BEING PART OF INSTITUTIONS THAT
WERE VOTED FOR OTHER TIMES AND NOT QUITE HAVING THE ENERGY AT
EVERY MONEY TO CHALLENGE WITH HOW DRAMATIC THE CHANGE IS, THAT
I SEE AS KNEADED. AND IT’S ALMOST LIKE IT’S IMPOLITE TO OR
WORSE THAN IMPOLITE, BUT IT’S, LIKE, ACTUALLY SO REVOLUTIONARY
TO TALK ABOUT THE SCALE OF CHANGE THAT WE NEED. AND SO I’M
JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD SHARE AT ALL, YOU KNOW, AS A MOM
OF A YOUNG PERSON WHO GOTTEN VERY ENGAGED AND AS SOMEONE FOR
WHOM YOU’VE WOKEN UP TO THIS SITUATION THROUGH HER, WHAT HAS
BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCES IN YOUR
OWN PROFESSIONAL AND SOCIAL CIRCLES OF SORT OF BREAKING INTO
THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MAYBE PEOPLE WHO AREN’T THERE YET? The Chair: MS. ALDRICH.
// THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, IT WASN’T WILLA
THAT WOKE ME UP. I WAS BRINGING MY OWN BAGS 20 YEARS AGO. BUT,
YES, THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE
ALWAYS UNCOMFORTABLE. THE CONVERSATIONS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY
YOU SPEAK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE THE CONVERTED. BUT THEN YOU
HAVE — I THINK WHAT’S REALLY HARD IS THAT IT IS SO
UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT IS ALSO SO UNFATHOMABLE. SO WHEN YOU BRING
IT UP AND YOU TRY TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, PEOPLE JUST OFTEN
CANNOT GET THEIR HEADS AROUND IT. AND UNDERSTANDABLY, I MEAN,
IT’S SCIENCE FICTION, BASICALLY. SO I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO
BRING IT TO A SMALLER LEVEL OFTEN, JUST BRING IT TO A
SMALLER LEVEL AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE APPLIED FOR
THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAVE AMONGST — WITH EACH OTHER. TO
WORKABLE SECTIONS, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME OBVIOUSLY GOING FOR
THE BROADER SWEEPS. I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT.
I’M NOT IN THAT BUSINESS. BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU WORK ON
KNOWING YOUR AUDIENCE AND KNOWING WHAT WILL SPEAK TO THOSE
PEOPLE, THEN THAT’S REALLY THE ONLY WAY — WHEN I’M HAVING
THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THAT’S HOW I DO IT. I LOOK FOR THE LEVEL
WHERE THEY CAN APPLY THESE THINGS TO A SMALL PART OF THEIR
LIVES. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT — YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE
TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS EVERYONE WHO HAS TALKED ABOUT
HOW YOU CANNOT HAVE CORPORATE VOICES IN THIS DISCUSSION, I
BELIEVE THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THAT DOESN’T REALLY ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION BUT IT’S THE BEST I CAN DO.
The Chair: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, Mrs. ALDRICH. // [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: IS THERE A DAVID
PATRIQUIN. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: 4MENT? 4 p.m.? OKAY,
GREAT. THANK YOU. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: OKAY. CERTAINLY. COME FORWARD . [ NO AUDIO [ NO AUDIO ] The Chair: SORRY. I’VE
FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME. ELEANOR, PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU.
// SO, YES, MY NAME IS ELEANOR KURA BUT I AM SPEAKING RIGHT NOW
ON BEHALF OF JENNIFER McLATCHY. JENNIFER SAYS I AM
UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAW AMENDMENTS HEARING ON MONDAY
MORNING BUT I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS. NOW IS A CRUCIAL
TIME TO ACT. WE DON’T HAVE MUCH TIME LEFT TO REDUCE OUR
EMISSIONS IN ORDER TO PREVENT CATASTROPHIC CLIMATE CHANGE.
THEREFORE, IT IS VIOLATION THAT NOVA SCOTIA LISTEN TO SCIENTISTS
AND TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ADDRESS OUR CARBON FOOT PRINT.
WE MUST STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR FORESTS FORCE PULP AND PAPER
OR FOR BIOMASS BECAUSE WE NEED THESE BOTH TO SEQUESTER CARBON
AND FOR HABITAT FOR CREATURES CREATURES
WHO ARE ENDANGERED BECAUSE OF HUMAN ACTIVITIES. WE MUST HALT
OIL AND GAS PROJECTS THAT THREATEN THE ENVIRONMENT AND
WOULD EMIT MORE CARBON INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. AND SHE HAS IN
BRACKETS, ALTON GAS. WE MUST DECLARE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
THANK YOU, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE DONE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND SHE WILL TOO. AND THEN ACTUALLY ACT LIKE IT. WE MUST
DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LEAVE A LEGACY OF A HABITABLE NOVA
SCOTIA AND PLANET FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. SINCERELY,
JENNIFER McLATCHY. THANK YOU. The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. SO DAVID PATRIQUIN, WE’RE EXPECTING SHORTLY. I UNDERSTAND
THERE’S ANOTHER WOMAN WHO MAY BE ON THE LIST. ALEXANDER VANCE,
PLEASE COME FORWARD. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
// ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I’VE BEEN HERE ALL
MORNING AND AFTERNOON SO I ACTUALLY GOT A CALL AND WENT TO
VOICE MAIL SO I DO APPRECIATE MAKING TIME. I’M A MARINE
SCIENTIST AND I’M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, NOT MY ORGANIZATION,
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DO WORK WITH A GLOBAL NOT FOR PROFIT
THAT IS TASKED AND FOCUSED WITH SAVING THE OCEAN AND FEEDING THE
WORLD. PART OF MY PORTFOLIO IS HABITAT PROTECTION AND SO WE’RE
MOST FAMILIAR WITH MARINE PROTECTED AREAS HERE, BUT IN THE
COURSE OF DOING THAT, I’VE ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CARD
NATURE AND EXECUTE MARINE RESEARCH EXPEDITIONS. SO I HAVE
A FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE BEAUTY OUR OCEANS PRESENT. AND
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN MY LIFE, I AM COLLECTING THE BASE
LINE DATA WHICH WILL SERVE AS THE BEGINNING OF THE END. IT IS
FELT THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE PROFESSION THAT WE ARE
WITNESSING THE BEGINNING OF THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF
BIODIVERSITY IN OUR OCEANS AS WE KNOW IT TODAY WHICH IS HARD TO
DO AND WAKE UP EVERY MORNING TRYING TO CONSERVE THE OCEAN
WHICH WE ALL LOVE AND DEPEND UPON KNOWING IF IT IS BUSINESS
AS USUAL, WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END.
AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CLIMATE IS ALMOST ENTIRELY
REGULATED BY OUR OCEAN. SCIENCE IS VERY CLEAR IN NOTING THAT A
QUARTER OF ALL CARBON EMISSIONS ARE ABSORBED INTO THE OCEAN AND
THE OCEAN HOSTS 90% OF ABUNDANT HEAT CAPACITY. SO WHEN WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT GLOBAL GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS, GLOBAL GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS, WE’RE TALKING REALLY ABOUT THE CARBON CAPTURE SEE
QUESTATION CAPACITY OF OUR OCEANS. A BLUE ECONOMY, IF YOU
WILL, IF WE WERE TO TAKE STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THAT
GREEN NEW DEAL FOR ALL REALLY COULD BE A BLUE DEAL FOR ALL.
THE CAPACITY IS THERE, THE INNOVATION IS THERE, TECHNOLOGY
IN NOVA SCOTIA IS REALLY LEADING CHAT BOTH NATIONALLY AND
INTERNATIONALLY. THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET TRICKY.
WE KNOW FROM BOTH INTERNATIONAL, NATIONAL, AND LOCAL REPORTS THAT
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT ONLY REAL BUT THE OCEAN IS PARING THE
BRUNT OF IT. WE ARE NOW WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OF THE IPC REPORT
ON OCEANS AND CRYO SPHERE THAT THE OCEAN HAS WARMED TWICE AS
FAST SINCE THE PARIS AGREEMENT WAS FIRST SIGNED AND JUST THIS
PAST YEAR, OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE ENVIRONMENT AND
CLIMATE CHANGE CANADA REPORT STATED THAT CANADA IS WARMING
TWICE AS FAST — OR THE ARCTIC IS WARMING THREE TIMES AS FAST.
A LITTLE-KNOWN REPORT RIGHT HERE IN THE GULF OF St. LAWRENCE
HAS STATED THAT IT ITSELF IS A GLOBAL HOT SPOT FOR CLIMATE
CHANGE WHERE WE’RE NOT ONLY SEEING TEMPERATURES INCREASE AND
SALINITY INCREASE, BUT WE’RE SEEING THE DEOXYGENATION OF OUR
VERY SESSION AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AROUND FAMILIAR WITH THE
GULF OF St. LAWRENCE, IT IS A HOT SPOT FOR THE ONLY FOR OUR
CULTURE AND IDENTITY OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE BUT OF ALL
COASTAL COMMUNITIES. YOU LIKE OYSTERS, IF YOU LIKE COD, GUESS
WHERE THEY COME FROM? WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW,
MAYBE NOT TO REVERSE THESE EFFECTS BECAUSE LATENT HEAT
CAPACITY AND THE LAG TIME OF THE OCEAN MEANS EVEN IF WE WERE TO
STOP EMISSIONS TODAY, THE EFFECTS WOULD GO ON FOR PROBABLY
ANOTHER 100 YEARS. THAT’S SCIENCE. WE ARE NOT IN A GOOD
POSITION. BUT I REFUSE TO ALLOW THAT GRIM BIT OF INFORMATION TO
STOP FROM US DOING WHAT IS RIGHTING AND DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
— WHAT IS RIGHT AND DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
OCEAN OPTIMISTIC FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, WAS A
MOVEMENT THAT WAS STARTED ABOUT A DECADE AGO NOW BY A WOMAN
NAMED EILEEN CLOSELY WHO FOUND THAT IN YOUTH — KESLEY, WHO
FOUND WHEN SHE ASKED YOUTH, NOT WHAT CHANCE THEY HAD TO SAVING
IT, HOW THEY FELT ABOUT SAVING IT, THEY FOUND AT THIS YOUTH
WERE UNEQUIVOCALLY HOPELESS AND THAT THAT ANXIOUSNESS, THAT
DEPRESSION, WAS REALLY A CAUSE FOR PARALYSIS FOR ACTION. THE
KIDS THOUGHT IT WAS TOO FAR GONE AND THESE ARE 7 AND 8-YEAR-OLDS
WHO DIDN’T THINK THERE WAS ANY CHANCE TO SAVE OUR OCEANS. SO
OCEAN OPTIMISTIC WAS BORN IN LIGHT OF THAT GRIM SPEC AND
INSTEAD OF CONTINUOUSLY TALKING TALKING
ABOUT OUR CHALLENGESES AND POTENTIAL FOR DEFEAT, OCEAN
OPTIMISTIC WAS BORN TO INSTEAD SHARE THE SUCCESS STORIES OF OUR
OCEAN AND TO START HIGHLIGHTING AROUND THE WORLD THINGS THAT ARE
ACTUALLY WORKING. PROJECTS,
WORK PROGRAMS, EXCHANGES, COMMUNITY-LED INITIATIVES THAT
ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE FOR BOTH OUR COASTAL AND MARINE
ECOSYSTEMS. AND GUESS WHAT? IT HAS SPREAD LIKE WILD FIRE. WHAT
I SEE HERE TODAY, THOUGH, AMONGST OUR YOUTH AND THE
INABILITY TO EVEN CONCEIVE THE IDEA OF CONCEPTION, TO NOT HAVE
CHILDREN? I MEAN, THAT SHOULD REALLY RESONATE HARD IN NOVA
SCOTIA WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A THING CALLED THE IVORY REPORT
SAYING YOU’RE POPULATION IS GETTING OLD. DO WE NOT WANT TO
INSTEAD INSTILL OPTIMISM AND SAY THIS IS OUR BEST PRACTICE? THIS
IS AS MUCH AS WE COULD DO RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, AND GIVE THESE
KIDS GLANCE OF HOPE? IF WE CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING AND
CONTINUE BUSINESS AS USUAL, NOVA SCOTIA’S STATE OF AFFAIRS, BOTH
AS AN ECONOMY AND AN ENVIRONMENT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GO DOWN
HILL AND THAT’S SCIENCE. AND I DON’T WISH TO BE AS GRIM
AS THE VERY BASE LINE OF THE SCIENCE THAT I’M COLLECTING
BECAUSE WHAT I’M SEEING FIRST HANDLE, EVEN AMONGST THE
BEAUTIFUL PINK CORAL BRANCHES AND THE BIG YELLOW SPONGES AND
ALL THE STARS AND OCTOPUS AND SHARKS THAT I GET TO SEE FIRST
HANDLE. I’M VERY PRIVILEGED TO HAVE THESE EXPERIENCES BUT IT’S
MY ROLE AS A SCIENTIST TO COMMUNICATE HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT
IS AND HOW LOST WE WOULD BE AS A SOCIETY NOT ONLY GLOBALLY BUT
HERE AS NOVA SCOTIANS THAT, AGAIN, IS PART OF OUR IDENTITY,
OUR CULTURE, OUR HERITAGE, TO HAVE THAT MARINE CONNECTION AND
IF NOTHING ELSE, NOVA SCOTIA HAS REALLY EXCEEDED AS LEADERSHIP AS
FAR AS INNOVATION ON THE TECH FRONT, SO LET’S PUT THAT TO
WORK. LET’S SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET WITH THE BLUE ECONOMY.
LET’S SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET BY EMPOWERING THE YOUTH IN OUR
COASTAL ECONOMIES. THE SOLUTIONS ARE THERE. WE JUST
NEED TO CELEBRATE THEM. THANK YOU.
The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. VANCE. MS. ROBERTS?
// I’M TEMPTED TO BOTH ASK YOU MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SOURCE
OF THE GRIMNESS AND ALSO TO ASK YOU MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
SOURCE OF THE POTENTIAL HOPE. SO I’M GOING TO GO WITH THE
POTENTIAL HOPE. BUT WHAT — CAN YOU GIVE ME AN
EXAMPLE OF INNOVATION OF A BEST PRACTICE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US
HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA BUT WHICH WE HAVEN’T THROWN, YOU KNOW, ALL
THE PUBLIC SUPPORT AND RESOURCES BEHIND AND WHICH COULD BE
DISTRIBUTED AND PUT TO WORK TO CONTRIBUTE TO ACTUALLY MAKING
HOPE. The Chair: MS. VANCE.
// THANK YOU. THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. SO GLAD YOU ASKED.
AS WE ALL KNOW, NOVA SCOTIA IS AT EXTREME HIGH RISK OF CLIMATE
CHANGE. THAT MEANS COASTAL EROSION, FLOODING, MORE INTENSE
STORMS. ONE THING THAT WE DON’T DO ENOUGH HERE IS SOMETHING
CALLED LIVING SHORE LINES. SO INSTEAD OF USING A HARD SEA
WALL, ROCK, CONCRETE, WHICH ACTUALLY ATTENUATES WAVE ENERGY
AND CONCENTRATES IT AND INEVITABLY ACTUALLY BREAKS DOWN
THAT CONCRETE WALL FASTER THAN IT DOES ACTUALLY PRESENTING
LONG-TERM, A LIVING SHORE SHRINE WHEN YOU USE LIVING MATERIALS,
SO WOOD, BUT ALSO SEA GRASS, SEA WEEDS, THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY
SORT OF DISSIPATE THAT WAVE ENERGY OVER TIME. AND THAT’S
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING MORE INTO IS HOW TO
ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN THESE NATURAL MATERIALS MAYBE THROUGH
DIFFERENT TECH AND INNOVATIONS BUT USING THAT AS THE BASE LINE
AND GOING FORWARD. AS WELL, THERE WAS A FEW PROJECTS ON THE
GROUND WITHIN RECENT YEARS. SEA GRASS TRANSPLANTATION WHICH IS A
COMMUNITY-LED INITIATIVE AND ALSO STRENGTHENING OUR
COASTLINES BY PLANTING THINGS AS SIMPLE AS RASPBERRIES AND
WILLOWS. SO THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WILL
BOTH INCREASE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF OUR PROVINCE BUT ALSO BE
QUITE FUNCTIONAL IN THE LONG-TERM.
The Chair: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
OH, Mrs. LEBLANC. // CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT, LIKE, THE BLUE ECONOMY VERSUS THE GREEN ECONOMY
AND HOW AS YOU SAID, THE GREEN ECONOMY COULD MORPH INTO A BLUE
ECONOMY. I MEAN, I KIND OF GET, IT BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR MORE.
// WELL, I’M CERTAINLY NOT AN ECONOMIST, BUT I CAN SAY THAT
THE POTENTIAL FOR CARBON CAPTURE SEE QUESTATION AGAIN THROUGH —
SEQUESTRATION AGAIN HERE, THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BURY CARBON NATURALLY THROUGH THE
ROOT SYSTEMS, SO WE’RE TALKING HERE ON LAND BY REBUILDING OUR
FORESTRIES, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT, BUT ALSO WE COULD DO THAT IN THE
WATER BUT AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL FOR REBUILDING OUR
FISHERIES, RIGHT? HAVING SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, BOTH IN
INDUSTRY AND CATCH, SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL SMALL-SCALE FISHERMEN
WHICH WE KNOW QUESTION GET A HIGHER VALUE FOR MARKET PRICE,
RIGHT, IF IT’S COMING FROM AN ECO CERTIFIED DISTRIBUTOR. BUT
WE DON’T INVEST IN ANY OF THAT. BE STILL HAVE FOREIGN FLEETS.
WE STILL HAVE — WE STILL HAVE FOREIGN THREATS. WE STILL HAVE
LARGE TRAWLS THAT ARE GOING OUT. AND IF WE DON’T HAVE FISHERIES
IN NOVA SCOTIA, THEN PRAY TELL, WHAT DO WE REALLY HAVE AS FAR AS
A KEYSTONE ECONOMY. The Chair: OKAY. MS. ROBERTS
WHY SORRY, JUST A QUICK NOTE, Mr. CHAIR, THAT WE DON’T HAVE
OUR CURRENT PRESENTER’S NAME IN FRONT OF US AND I WOULD
APPRECIATE. THAT SO IF YOU HAD ANY WRITTEN THING OR A BUSINESS
CARD THAT COULD BE PHOTOCOPIED AND CIRCULATED, I WOULD JUST
APPRECIATE THAT. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: I’LL GIVE YOU THE MICROPHONE THERE.
// ALEXANDRA VANCE, AND I’D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.
THANK YOU. The Chair: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MS. VANCE. DAVID PATRIQUIN I THINK IS ON HIS WAY,
NOT HERE. NOT HIM. AND WE CAN NOW MOVE ON — WE’VE GOT FOLKS
LINED UP FOR 4 p.m., BUT PERHAPS THEY’RE HERE AND WE CAN
CONTINUE. IS JUSTIN CANTAFIELD HERE OR SETH LEVENSTON? GREAT. WELCOME. I’M NOT SURE IF YOU’VE
BEEN WATCHING BUT IT’S TEN MINUTES FOR A PRESENTATION AND
FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS. YOU OBVIOUSLY — WE OBVIOUSLY DON’T
HAVE TO USE ALL TEN. // I’M JUST HAVING WALKED IN AND
HAVING MISSED THE PROCEEDINGS THIS MORNING, I’M FEELING A
LITTLE ILL EQUIPPED BUT I’LL DO MY BEST AND THIS WILL TAKE A LOT
LESS THAN TEN MINUTES. FOR WHATEVER IT’S WORTH, I SIMPLY
WANTED TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AS A CITIZEN OF THIS
PROVINCE AND OF THIS COUNTRY AND EXPRESS MY CONCERN THAT WE THINK
WE’RE DOING ENOUGH WITH REGARDS TO ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE AND
I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF ANY OF MY COMMENTS ARE — HAVE BEEN
STATED MANY, MANY TIMES ALREADY. SO I’LL SIMPLY READ THE LETTER
THAT I DRAFTED AND SENT TO THE PREMIER THIS MORNING. AS A
RESIDENT OF NOVA SCOTIA AND CONCERNED CITIZEN OF THE PLANET,
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE THING MORE IMPORTANT TO ME TODAY THAN
HEARING FROM ALL OF YOU ABOUT BINDING ACTIONS BASED ON SCIENCE
THAT THIS GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE
EMERGENCY. UNLESS THE HUNDRED OR SO SCIENTISTS AND CLIMATE
SPECIALISTS WHO HAVE SIGNED THE IPCC REPORT ARE ALL WRONG, THE
IPCC REPORT TABLED EARLIER THIS YEAR MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT NO
ONE IS DOING ENOUGH. THEY ALSO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED
TO MOVE INTO EMERGENCY ACTION IMMEDIATELY. THIS IS AN
EMERGENCY. THE RATE THE FIRES
RANGING IN CALIFORNIA THIS MORNING ARE ONLY ONE EXAMPLE OF
THAT. I’VE LIVED ON THE EASTERN SHORE FOR 15 YEARS NOW AND TWICE
HAVE BEEN EVACUATED FOR FOREST FIRES WHICH WAS STRIKING BECAUSE
THEY HAPPENED, EXCUSE ME, IN THE SPRING TIME, TYPICALLY THE
WETTEST TIME OF YEAR. CONSIDER FOR A MOMENT THAT FOR
DECADES NOW, SCIENCE HAS COMBED THE UNIVERSE FOR SIGNS OF LIFE.
TO DATE, THEY’VE NOT FOUND A SINGLE SYSTEM WHERE THEY’VE
CONFIRMED THAT EVEN MICROBES CAN SURVIVE. AND YET HERE WE ARE ON
THE ONLY PLANET IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE THAT SUSTAINS COUNTLESS
LIFE FORMS AND COLLECTIVELY WE ARE DESTROYING THE VERY
CONDITIONS FOR LIFE EVERY DAY. BILLIONS OF YEARS IN THE MAKING
AND IN LESS THAN A CENTURY, WE’RE INCINERATING IT. THIS
PLANET THAT WE CALL HOME. AS THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
WORSEN, OUR COLLECTIVE DENIAL WILL MORPH INTO PANIC AND BY
THEN, IT HAS BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR IT WILL BE FAR TOO LATE TO
DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE TIME TO ACT IS RIGHT NOW. ANYTHING
SHORT OF AN EMERGENCY LEVEL RESPONSE TO CLIMATE EMERGENCY IS
LAUGHABLE. THE TIRED ARGUMENT THAT PITS THE
ECONOMY AGAINST CLIMATE ACTION IS ABSURD. WHAT GOOD IS ANY
KIND OF ECONOMY IF WE’RE ALL DIEING? DYING? THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE
CREE NATION ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED, THE LAST RIVER
HAS BEEN POISONED, AND THE LAST FISH HAS BEEN EATEN WILL WE
REALIZE WE CAN’T EAT MONEY. AS LEADERS OF THIS PROVINCE, AS
REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA, EMPLOYEES DO YOUR
JOB. LEAD, BLAZE TRAILS, SHOW CANADA AND INDEED THE WORLD THAT
WE CAN MEET THIS FORMIDABLE CHALLENGE WITH RESOURCEFULNESS,
INGENUITY, SPEED, AND AT A MARATHON PACE. BECAUSE INDEED
THIS WILL BE A MARATHON. PLEASE FACE HEAD ON WITH YOUR EYES WIDE
OPEN THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT IS BANGING THIS DOOR DOWN. THIS
IS AN IMMENSE OPPORTUNITY. WE CAN’T AFFORD TO MISS THIS BOAT
ACCORDING TO THE MOTION CONSERVATIVE WARNINGS. WE WON’T
HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE. THIS IS IT. THANK YOU.
The Chair: THANK YOU, Mr. LEVENSON. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? MS. LEBLANC?
// THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR SIMPLY ADDING YOUR VOICE, AS
I SAY. I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU’RE HERE.
EVERY VOICE IS IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION. AND I WANTED TO
ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SAID TOWARDS THE
END ABOUT LEADING AND TRAIL BLAZING AND SHOWING THE REST OF
THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD THAT THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. I’M
WONDERING IT IN YOUR VIEW, WHAT DOES LEADERSHIP IN THIS LOOK
LIKE? WHAT WOULD — YOU KNOW, IF PUT IMAGINED A NOVA SCOTIA
WHERE THERE WAS GREAT CLIMATE LEADERSHIP, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK
LIKE? Mr. The Chair: Mr. LEVENSON?
// I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT WOULDN’T HIT THE ECONOMY
AGAINST THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER
IS — NEITHER WORKS. SO I THINK THAT ARGUMENT HAS TO STOP AND I
WOULD REGARD THAT AS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT BECAUSE IT SEEMS
TO BE ONE OF THOSE ARGUMENTS THAT IS QUIDDING THE COUNTRY AND
IT — DIVIDING THE COUNTRY AND IT WAS REALLY FRAGRANT IN THE
RECENT ELECTION AND IT’S SUCH A RED HERRING. I WOULD TAKE THAT
AS AN EXTRAORDINARY STEP FORWARD AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE
STANDARD FOR THE COUNTRY THAT THAT KIND OF DIVISIVENESS IS
WASTING EVERYBODY’S TIME. ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK IN EARLY ITS
OF CONCRETE ACTION THAT WE CAN ALL TAKE, I’M NOT A SCIENTIST.
AND I’M NOT AN ECONOMIST, SO I CAN’T REALLY GIVE CONCRETE
SUGGESTIONS. I’M CURRENTLY LIVING ON THE EASTERN SHORE,
WORKING IN THE CITY, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SELL MY
HOUSE SO I CAN GET CLOSER TO THE CITY TO TRY AND NOT ADD AN EXTRA
BURDEN TO CO2 EMISSIONS. I’M OFF LOADING ALL MY INVESTMENTS
IN EXTRACTION INDUSTRIES, PARTICULARLY OIL AND GAS. I’M
TRYING TO DO WHAT I CAN. BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT’S AT A MUCH
HIGHER LEVEL IN TERMS OF EDUCATION AND EVEN MORE
TECHNICALLY IN TERMS OF CULTURE IF THE INDIVIDUALS AND THE
INSTITUTIONS THAT WE LOOK TO IN THE COMMUNITY COULD START
SETTING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO MAKE THINGS MATTER, HOW TO MAKE
IT OBVIOUS THAT THIS MATTERS, AND THAT ANY PROGRESS WON’T BE
DONE AT THE EXPENSE OF SPLITTING UP PEOPLE’S VIEWS OR PITTING
COMMUNITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER. The Chair: THANK YOU.
MS. MARKS? // THANK YOU. AND I WAS OUT FOR
A SHORT TIME SO — BUT EARLIER TODAY, WE HAD A PRESENTER WHO
TALKED A LOT ABOUT EDUCATION AND THE FACT THAT THERE SHOULD BE
MORE EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS. IS THAT STING THAT YOU THINK COULD
TURN THE TIDE SO TO SPEAK IF MORE PEOPLE WERE EDUCATED ON
EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN, THAT, YOU
KNOW, WE WOULD BE FAR BETTER OFF IN A BETTER SITUATION?
The Chair: Mr. LEVENSON? // I THINK THAT’S CRITICAL. BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO
VOTING AGE HAVE ALREADY — THEY ALREADY GET IT. A LOT OF THEM
ALREADY GET IT. WE’RE THE ONES WHO DON’T GET IT. AND WE ARE
THE ONES — I INCLUDE MYSELF — WHO HAVE ESTABLISHED A CULTURE
WHERE WE DON’T JOIN THE DOTS ABOUT THE IMPACT EACH OF US HAS
ON EVERYTHING AROUND US, THE PEOPLE, THE ENVIRONMENT. WE
HAVE — AND THERE’S NO BLAME ATTACHED TO IT. WE HAVE
INHERITED A CULTURE WHERE WE DON’T JOIN THE DOTS ABOUT WITH
THE IMPACT WE HAVE ON OUR WORLD. AND NOW THOSE DOTS ARE BEING
JOINED FOR US WITH THE HELP OF 16-YEAR-OLDS.
SO I THINK EDUCATION IS KEY BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE CULTURE IS
BUILT, BUT I THINK PUTTING TOO MANY EGGS IN THAT BASKET AT THIS
POINT IS TOO LATE. The Chair: THANK YOU,
Mr. LEVENSON. JUSTIN, HAS HE ARRIVED?
// [ Inaudible ] The Chair: I HAVE A LIST TO GO
ON. ARE YOU ON THE LIST. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: OH, I THOUGHT DAVID PATRIQUIN WAS.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: YOU’LL HAVE TO
SPEAK WITH LEG COUNCIL ABOUT THAT.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: YEAH. OKAY.
[ NO AUDIO ] The Chair: MS. MARTIN?
// THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. EARLIER, MY COLLEAGUE, WHEN
Mr. IRVING WAS CHAIR PUT A MOTION FORWARD THAT EVERYBODY
THAT WANTED TO PRESENT COULD PRESENT AND Mr. IRVING ASKED
THAT WE JUST TABLE THAT MOTION UNTIL SUCH TIME EVERYBODY HAD A
CHANCE TO BE CALLED AND/OR ARRANGED. SO IF THAT IS NOT THE
CASE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO REINTRODUCE THAT MOTION.
The Chair: I BELIEVE EVERYONE WAS CALLED WHO HAD CALLED UP
TO — I’LL LET THE CLERK SPEAK TO IT. HE KNOWS.
The Clerk: MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ANYBODY WHO HAD CALLED MY
OFFICE BY 12 NOON TODAY WOULD BE SCHEDULED. IF WE COULD GET ALL
OF THEM. // [ Inaudible ]
The Chair: THEY DID CALL. EVERYONE WHO LEFT A MESSAGE THIS
MORNING — THEY DID CALL EVERYONE WHO LEFT A MESSAGE THIS
MORNING. // I WAS CALLED AND, LIKE,
THE…. [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: AND WHAT IS YOUR
NAME? // [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: I DON’T SEE HER ON
THE LIST, DO YOU? WHAT TIME
WERE YOU GIVEN? // I WAS NOT GIVEN A TIME. THEY
DID CALL ME BACK. [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: OH.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: YOU HAD A TIME AT
4:30? // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: OKAY. // [ Inaudible ].
[ NO AUDIO ] The Chair: OKAY. THOSE OF YOU
WHO HAD CALLED IN, THE CLERK IS TELLING ME THAT YOU NEED TO JUST
STEP OUTSIDE THE CHAMBER, CALL THE OFFICE BACK TO GET ON THE
LIST. SERIOUSLY. I DON’T MAKE THE RULES.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: WE NEED TO HAVE A
LIST OF THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE AND A SCHEDULE. SO IF YOU HAD
BEEN CALLED, YOU CAN GO OUT AND CALL THE LEG OFFICE AND THEY
WILL PUT YOU ON THE LIST. OKAY? // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: WHAT’S YOUR NAME? // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: Mr. JOHNS. // THANK YOU, MAD TAM CHAIR.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THROUGH YOU TO LEG COUNCIL, WE WERE
GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL SHEET WITH A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, NINE OF THEM
HERE. IS THERE OTHER — IS THERE ANOTHER SHEET WITH
ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS YET TO COME? MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS
PROBABLY MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.
The Chair: WELL, WE STARTED WITH A SHEET TODAY, TWO SHEETS
TODAY. NOW WE’RE ON A SHOULD SHEET.
// CORRECT. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS STILL
MORE. The Chair: I’LL LET THE CLERK
ANSWER THAT. The Clerk: SO WE HAVE 43 NAMES
THAT HAD CALLED OVER THE WEEKEND AND LEFT MESSAGES ON OUR VOICE
MAIL. AND WE BOOKED UNTIL 5:00 BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
INSTRUCTIONS WE HAD TO BOOK UNTIL THEN. IT WAS THEN AGREED
TO CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE AND MY OFFICE HAS PHONED AND EITHER
CONTACTED OR LEFT A MESSAGE WITH ALL 43. SOME HAVE SAID THEY
CAN’T APPEAR, SOME HAVE SAID THEY NO LONGER WISH TO APPEAR,
AND SOME HAD BEEN BOOKED. SOME MESSAGES WERE LEFT WITH THEM AND
WE HAVEN’T HEARD BACK FROM THEM. SO THEY NEED TO CALL BACK TO
ANSWER THOSE MESSAGES AND THEY WILL BE PUT ON THE LIST.
The Chair: Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU. AND MADAM
CHAIR — The Chair: THE CLERK, PLEASE.
The Clerk: THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE GOT ANSWERS FROM AND
STILL WANTED TO APPEAR, THIS NEW LIST.
The Chair: OKAY. Mr. JOHNS? // YEAH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I DON’T BELIEVE ANYBODY REREAD THE NEW LIST. SO JUST IF
ANYBODY IS WONDERING IF THEY’RE ON THE ADDITIONAL LIST, THERE IS
A COPY UP THERE. The Chair: THANK YOU.
MS. LEBLANC. // THIS MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN
SAID WHILE I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM, BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO STILL WANT TO GET ON THE LIST, IS THAT POSSIBLE BY
CALLING THE PHONE NUMBER OR E-MAILING?
The Chair: THEY HAVE TO CALL THE LEG COUNCIL OFFICE BY 5.
BUT THEY WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD ALREADY CALLED ON SATURDAY.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: YES.
// [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: SEE, WE DON’T HAVE
THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO CALLED THE LEG COUNCIL OFFICE. SO YOU
NEED TO CALL THE LEG COUNCIL OFFICE TO GET ON THE LIST. AND
THEY CLOSE AT 5:00. // [ Inaudible ].
[ NO AUDIO ] The Chair: MS. MARCH ANYONE
IS. // THANK YOU. SO GOING ON WHAT
THE CLERK HAS JUST SAID, IF THE LEG COUNCIL IS OPEN UNTIL 5:00,
I AGENT WE’RE STILL TAKING NAMES NAMES.
The Chair: NO, WE’RE NOT. // I DON’T KNOW THAT THE MOTION
SAID THAT. I THOUGHT THE MOTION SAID THAT WE WOULD TAKE WHOEVER
WANTED TO PRESENT. I THOUGHT THE MOTION SAID THAT WE WOULD
SIT AS LONG AS PRESENTERS WERE HERE. The Chair: WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY
CALLED THE LEG OFFICE BY NOON TODAY.
// IS THAT FOR SURE? IS THAT FOR SURE WHAT THE MOTION SAID?
// NO…. [ Inaudible ] // THE THREE PARTIES AGREED TO.
THERE WAS NO MOTION. // YEAH, CLAUDIA HAD A MOTION.
// SHE WITHDRAW THE MOTION. // NO, SHE TABLED IT.
// SHE TABLED IT THAT IT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN IN THE
MEETING AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET ON THE LIST
WHO WOULD CALL BEFORE NUMBER TIME TODAY.
// I DISAGREE. The Chair: Mr. JOHNS?
// MADAM CHAIR, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD CONTINUE WITH THE
SPEAKERS THAT ARE HERE AND PERHAPS HAVE SOMEBODY FROM LEG
COUNCIL OR HANSARD CONFIRM EXACTLY WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE
AGREED UPON DECISION. The Chair: HANSARD DOESN’T
RECORD LAW AMENDMENTS. DOES IT? I WAS TOLD IT DOESN’T.
// [ Inaudible ]. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: THEY’RE HERE NOW, ARE THEY? OKAY. JUSTIN
CANTAFIO. OKAY. WELL, Mr. DAVID PATRIQUIN, CAN YOU
COME FORWARD, PLEASE. WE’RE READY FOR YOU. WE’RE GLAD YOU
COULD MAKE IT. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: THE PAGE WILL TAKE YOUR COPIES. AND YOU CAN SIT IN
FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE. ONE OVER. YES, THAT’S THE ONE
THAT’S BEING PICKED UP. WELCOME. TO FIT IN PEOPLE, THE
TIME HAS BEEN AGREED TO, 5 MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION AND 5
MINUTES FOR QUESTIONING SO WE CAN GET THE EXTRA PEOPLE IN WHO
WISH TO. SO Mr. PATRIQUIN,
YOU MAY START YOUR PRESENTATION. // I JUST WANT TO DISTRICT THE
HAND-OUTS BECAUSE THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT I WILL SAY AND IT
WILL SAVE TIME. ANYWAY, JUST TO START ON IT. I’M A RETIRED
PROFESSOR OF BIOLOGY AT DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY AND SINCE
MY RETIREMENT, I’VE BEEN ACTIVE IN A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS, FORESTRY GROUPS, AND I WRITE A BLOG CALLED NOVA SCOTIA
FOREST NOTES. I HAVE PARTICULAR INTEREST IN FORESTRY, WHICH HAVE
BEEN HEAVILY IN THE LAST 15 YEARS. SO WHAT I WANT TO
COMMENT ON IS I HAVE IN THIS HANDLE-OUT WHEREAS A NUMBER OF
ITEMS, FOREST COVERS 75% OF THE NOVA SCOTIAN LANDSCAPE AND WITH
SURFACE WATERS CONSTITUTE THE PREEMINENT HABITATS OF NOVA
SCOTIA’S TERRESTRIAL LANDSCAPE, ET CETERA, WHEREAS WE HAVE THE
MOST INTENSIVELY EXPLOITED FOR NEST CANADA. I’M JUST GOING
OVER A FEW OF THESE. OUR INCREASING SUPPLY OF LOW-VALUE
GOOD, OUR INCREASING SUPPLY OF HIGH-VALUE WOOD MEANS FORESTRY
IN NOVA SCOTIA IS DEPENDENT ON SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM
ECONOMIES OF SALE. EVEN SAWMILLS NOW GAIN MUCH OF THEIR
PROFIT FROM CHIPS PRODUCED BY CLEAR-CUTTING WHERE THESE SAME
PRACTICES REDUCE THE OLD FOREST HABITAT OVER THE MID TO
LONG-TERM. ONE ALTERNATIVE MARK BEING PURSUED BY GOVERNMENT IN
AND WHEN BOTH OF OUR REMAINING PULP MILLS…. TOUTED COMMONLY
WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION AS BEING CARBON NEUTRAL. HOWEVER, THERE
IS NOW AN ABUNDANCE OF EVIDENCE AND NOTABLY THE BIOMASS PLANT AT
PORT HAWKESBURY INCREASE THE PRODUCTION OF CARBON TOX
RELATIVE OVER WHAT WE CALL MEANINGFUL TIME FRAMES, IE, THE
NEXT 20 TO 50 YEARS. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT’S BROADLY
RECOGNIZED THAT FOREST ARE THE MOST COMMON ROOTS OF TERRESTRIAL
SYSTEMS GLOBALLY. AND THAT GREENHOUSE GAS-RELATED CLIMATIC
CHANGE COMBINED WITH PAST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES HAS
RESULTED IN DRAMATIC INCREASES IN THE FREQUENCY, EXTENSIVE, AND
EXTENT OF FOREST FIRES IN WESTERN NORTH AMERICA FIRES AND
THREW MUCH OF THE BOREAL FORESTS WITH THESE NOW BECOMING NET
EMITTERS OF GREENHOUSE GASES RATHER THAN MINK SINKS FOR
CARBON. AT THE SAME TIME FOR DIFFERENT REASON, MOST NOTELY
ECONOMIC SEPARATION, THE AMAZON AND OTHER TROPICAL AND SUB
TROPICAL FORESTS ARE BECOMING SOURCES RATHER THAN SINGERS FOR
CARBON. MS. SUCH DEVELOPMENTS PUT INVESTING VALUE AND ONUS ON
US WHERE OUR TEMPERATE
FORESTS…. ESPECIALLY GIVEN WE ARE A WEALTHY PART OF THE WORLD.
FOR NOVA SCOTIA WITH ITS NOW HIGHLY DEGRADED FORESTS,
INCREASING CARBON STORAGE IN THE FORM OF OLDER TREE, FOR EXAMPLE,
BY PRO FORESTATION WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS INCREASING THE
LEMM OF OREST ROTATIONS WOULD ALSO GREATLY BENEFIT
BIODIVERSITY IN THE LONG-TERM, MORE INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITIES. THUS, I URGE THAT, ONE, THE NEED THE NEED FOR
OPEN, TRANSPARENT, INDEPENDENT GREENHOUSE GAS ACCOUNTING,
INCLUDING, FOR EXAMPLE, LCAs As
AND MODEL IN ALL ASPECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE MITIGATION BE
RECOGNIZED IN THE ACT. FOR EXAMPLE, I SUGGEST THAT IT
REQUIRES URGENT ACTIONS. THOSE CHOSEN IN PART ON THE BASIS OF
OPEN, TRANSPARENT, INCIDENT, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
ACCOUNTING OTHER POTENTIAL BENEFITS.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS THERE IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH — TOO MUCH AS
THEY CALL THEM MOTHERHOOD STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT METHODS
THAT REDUCE CARBON CAPTURE AND WE REALLY NEED OBJECTIVE DATA.
SECONDLY, I’M SUGGESTING THAT THE PREEMINENT ROLE OF OUR
FORESTS POTENTIALLY IN MITIGATING CLIMATE CHANGE AND
PYRO DIVERSITY CONSERVATION AND AS A VEHICLE FOR SUSTAINABLE
PROSPERITY BE EXPLICITLY CONTEMPLATED IN THE ACT. AND I
PUT DOWN THERE OUR FORESTS AND THEIR POTENTIAL ROLE IN CLIMATE
CHANGE AND ADAPTATION, BIODIVERSITY, AND CREATION OF
CIRCULAR ECONOMIES. I REALIZE BOTH OF THESE COULD BE PUT IN
DOCUMENTS PRODUCED SUBSEQUENT TO THIS PARTICULAR ACT. HOWEVER, I
THINK THEY DESERVE ENOUGH PRIORITY TO BE CITED IN THE ACT
IT EVERY IS. THUS, I COMMENT THAT DETAILED
GOALS AND RELATION IN RELATION TO CLIMATE CHANGE SUBSEQUENTLY
BE INCORPORATED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN CITED UNDER ITEM 8, CLIMATE
CHANGE PLAN FOR CLEAN GROWTH. THIS PLAN IS SCHEDULED TO BE
COMPLETED PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31, 2020. I THEREFORE URGE THE
GOVERNMENT TO BEGIN CONSULTATIONS ON THE CLIMATE
CHANGE PLAN WELL BEFORE THAT DATE, BEFORE THAT DUE DATE, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN NOVEMBER THE 15th. I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, WE’VE HAD
JUST FAR TOO LITTLE TIME. I DON’T KNOW IF ANYBODY MISSED THE
NOTIFICATION ABOUT IT IT, BUT I ONLY CERTAINLY GOT IT ON FRIDAY.
SO I REALLY URGE — THAT’S A VERY CRITICAL — THAT STRATEGIC
PLAN I THINK IS VERY, VERY CRITICAL. AND IN ORDER TO HAVE
BUY-IN, YOU NEED WIDE SPREAD PUBLIC CONSULTATION. SO THOSE
ARE MY COMMENTS WHICH I’VE PRINTED OUT HERE.
The Chair: THANK YOU. Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
Mr. PATRIQUIN. I THINK THE HAND-OUT YOU HAVE IS DIFFERENT
THAN THE COMMISSION YOU READ. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET A
COPY — The Chair: NO, IT’S THE SAME
THING. // [ Inaudible ].
// OKAY. PERFECT. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PRESENTATION. WOULD JUSTIN CANIT. APHOL BE
HERE? OH, GREAT. COME ON UP. — CANTAPHOL? WELCOME.
WE’RE DOING FIVE MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION AND FIVE MINUTE
FORCE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. // THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MERCI.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS I’D LIKE TO COMMENT ON. ONE OF THEM IS
THAT I AM MILDLY CONCERNED THAT OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
TARGETS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. BUT I’LL LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS
IN THE ROOM WHO ARE THE YOUNG PEOPLE BEHIND ME. THERE ARE
THREE OTHER THINGS I’D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THAT ARE I GUESS KIND
OF NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO ANY ONE PARTICULAR POINT FOR
ACTUALLY DIGGING INTO THE PROBLEMS WE NEED TO SOLVE BUT
RATHER WITH REGARD TO PROCESS. ONE OF THEM IS THAT I’M MILDLY
CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP OUR GAME
AND REPORT ON WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD REPORT ON. IN 2008, 2019 2009,
2010, 2011, AND 2012, WE DID ENGAGE. BUT SINCE THEN, WE
STOPPED REALLY DOING THAT. WE STARTED SAYING WE WOULD DO IT
AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE WOULD SLIP ONE OUT THAT
SOMEHOW ENCOPPS LATED TWO OR THREE YEARS. I DO NOT BELIEVE
WE WOULD WERE DOING OUR FIVE— The Chair: WE DID ONE IN 2012.
// RIGHT. AND WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT’S QUITE OLD AND
VERY MUCH DUE. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS AN ACT THAT
DOESN’T HAVE REVIEWS AND BE CONSTANT PUBLIC INPUT IS MOTT
ACCOUNTABLE. IT’S NOT PRUDENT, AND IT’S NOT WORTHY OF TRUST.
LIKEWISE, ANNOUNCING THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT SUCH
AS THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE BEFORE THE WEEKEND STARTS AND WE
WANT TO BE TOGETHER WITH OUR FAMILY AND THEN MAKING IT ONLY
OCCUR DURING TIMES THAT ARE REALLY DIFFICULT, I SHOULD BE
WORKING RIGHT NOW. DOES NOT GARNER TRUST.
AND IF YOU DON’T NECESSARILY HAVE CONSTANT INPUT, THEN WHAT’S
THE POINT OF HAVING MEMBERS OF A ROUNDTABLE? WHAT’S THE POINT OF
APPEALING TO THEIR COLLECTIVE WISDOM? ALSO, I’M MILDLY
CONCERNED BECAUSE HERE WE ARE WITH A NEW ACT, AN ACT THAT
SOUNDS VERY NICE. BUT WE’RE NOT DONE WITH THE OLD ACT. SO FAR,
WE’VE POTENTIALLY MET 13 OUT OF 25. AND I DON’T KNOW IF WE’LL
EVER FIND OUT HOW WE’VE ACTUALLY DONE. AN ACT WITHOUT TEETH AND
WITHOUT NUMBERS IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN PLACE HOLDER AND
SOMETHING WE CAN FLOW ABOVE OUR HEAD AND USE TO PAT OURSELVES ON
THE BACK AT THE CONVENTION CENTRE OVER COCKTAILS. IT DOES
NOT MUCH MORE THAN THAT. IF WE SHIFT FROM SETTING
ATTAINABLE TARGETS AS WE DID IN EXPA TOWARDS JUST HAVING BROAD
GENERAL SWOOPING GENERALIZATIONS, WE CAN HAVE
THROE COCKTAIL PARTIES NOW. WITHOUT METRICS, HOW CAN YOU
ACTUALLY HOLD OUR OWN PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE? HOW DO WE IN THE
PUBLIC FACING YOU HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE? HOW DO WE KNOW
WHAT WE’RE WORKING TOWARDS? ANOTHER THING I’D LIKE TO PRY UP
QUICKLY AND MAY I ASK HOW OFTEN TIME I HAVE LEFT?
The Chair: 3:22. // EXCELLENT. THE REASON WHY
I’M HERE IS NOT BECAUSE I’M AN EXPERT IN PROCESS, ALTHOUGH I
THINK IT’S WORTHWHILE APPEALING TO THE EXPERTS IN PROCESS IN
DETERMINES HOW TO HAVE LEGITIMATE, TANGIBLE
NUMBERS-BASED OBJECTIVES THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MEET AND THEN
REPORT ON THOSE ANNUALLY AND HAVE A ROBUST REPORT THAT COMES
OUT EVERY FEW YEARS. MAKE THAT PUBLICLY VIEWABLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE’LL NEVER NECESSARILY GET TO KNOW
WHETHER OR NOT WE’RE MAKING POSITIVE STEPS TOWARDS IS FOOD
AND AGRICULTURE. GOLD T AND GOLD U DID HAVE NUMBERS
ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. BUT ALL I CAN GET IS A LITTLE TINY THING
IN IT TALLICS THAT SAYS IN PROCESS AND THAT WOULD BE INFIND
ITEM BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE DONE. BUT THOSE
WORKING IN THE LOCAL FOOD AND FOOD SECURITY WORLD, WE ARE
GOING BACKWARDS ON THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS.
GOLD T STATES THAT LOCAL FOOD CONSUMPTION IS SUPPORTED AND
ENCOURAGED WITH THE GOAL OF 20% OF THE DOLLARS SPENT ON FOOD BY
NOVA SCOTIANS IS BEING SPENT ON NOVA SCOTIAN FOOD BY 2020. AND
WILL ALSO INCREASE LOCAL FOOD CONSUMPTION BY INCREASING THE
AMOUNT OF LOCAL FARMS BY 5% BY 2020. THE UNITED NATION
SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS CLEARLY STATES THAT WE NEED TO
END HUNGER AND ADDRESS FOOD SECURITY PART AND PARCEL WITH
ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE. THE UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL RAP
ACTURE ON THE RIGHT TO — RAP ATURE SAID THE ONLY WAY TO DO
THIS IS THROUGH FOOD-BASED ECONOMIES. EVENT IN OUR NOW OR
NEVER REPORT STATES THAT IN GOAL COUNTRY 6 THE VALUE OF
AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS PRODUCED FOR AND CONSUMED WITHIN THE NOVA
SCOTIAN DOMESTIC MARKET MUST DOUBLE BY 2020. IT IS NOT.
I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE’RE SITTING ON AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. TO
SIMULTANEOUSLY, POTENTIALLY MITIGATE SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF
GLOBAL WARMING WHILE ADAPTING TO THEM AND WE DO THAT BY HAVING
ROBUST, RESILIENT DIVERSE COMPLEX PLACE-BASED ECONOMIES.
I SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULTHOOD STUDYING AND NOW PRACTICALLY
APPLYING THE CONCEPTS OF RELOCALLIZATION AND
DECENTRALIZATION. AND I’VE DONE THAT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. ONE
OF THEM IS TO HELP START NOVA SCOTIA, IN FACT, ATLANTIC
CANADA’S FIRST COMMERCIAL SEA SCALLOPS. SAME PRODUCT CAUGHT
DIFFERENTLY. THE OBLIGATION OBJECTIVE WAS
TO ON THE OPTIMIZE THE PROCESS. IT’S
THE SAME AS ANY OTHER BUT A WE’RE ABLE TO GET TWO TO THREE
TIMES AS MUCH FOR SCALLOPS. I HELPED TO MANAGE OFF THE HOOK
COMMUNITY-SUPPORTED FISHERY WHICH BROUGHT 300 FAMILIES FRESH
SEAFOOD FROM A FISHER EVERY WEEK. WE HAVE THE MOST FARMER’S
MARKS PER CAPITA IN ALL OF CANADA. AND TO LEAVE THINGS ON
A LATE NOTE AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND MAYBE A
BIT OF A BACK AND FORTH. BUT I’M GOING TO USE A TANGIBLE
PRACTICAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE HAVE THE
MOST CRAFT BREWERIES PER CAPITA IN CANADA. BEER IS TASTY. AND
BEER IS FISCALLY PRUDENT. WHAT STARTED OFF AS ROMANTIC
ASPIRATIONS FROM PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF MAYBE 10, 15 YEARS AGO
NOW HAS OVER A 45% MARKET PENETRATION. WE ARE REPLACING
IMPORTS. WE ARE REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN CORES. AND WE ARE
CREATING PLACE-BASED ECONOMIES BY RAISING OUR GLASSES. WE ARE
NOT DOING THAT BY PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON THE ISSUING OF
BUYING, SELLING, AND PROCESSING LICENSES FOR SEAFOOD, WHICH WE
HAVE OFFICIALLY DONE OR UNOFFICIALLY DONE. SO THAT IF I
WAS A YOUNG PERSON WHO WANTED TO GET INTO THE RACKET OF SEAFOOD
AND POTENTIALLY TRY TO CREATE HIGH VALUE PRODUCTS BY TELLING A
STORY OF THE FISHERS AND WHERE THEY COME, FROM I CANNOT. FOR
YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY MONOPOLIZED THE BIG BOYS AND WE PLAY ONLY
THE EXPORT GAME. The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
COMMENTS. MS. MARTIN. // THANK YOU. SO JUST BRIEFLY,
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION BUT AS WELL
CLARIFY. SO WE’RE TWO YEARS BEHIND INNING TO A REVIEW. 2012
WAS THE LAST ONE AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN 2007 SO 2017 SO WE’RE
TWO YEARS OFF. I BELIEVE IF THERE ARE 10,000 NOVA SCOTIANS
THAT WANT TO COME AND DISCUSS AND TELL US THEIR VIEWS ON THESE
BILLS, THEN THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A TIME THAT THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES ARE CUT OFF. SO I AGREE. THANK YOU FOR SAYING
THAT. The Chair: OKAY. MS. LEBLANC?
// THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO — I WANTED TO ASK YOU
TWO QUESTIONS. CAN I DO LIKE A QUESTION AND A SECONDARY
QUESTION? NUMBER 1 IS YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE GOALS,
I FORGET WHICH NUMBER, WAS TO DOUBLE THE LOCAL FOOD PRODUCTION
BY 2020. IN THE REPORT. AND THEN YOU SAID WE HAVE NOT DONE
THAT H DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH LOCAL FOOD PRODUCTION.
LIKE, WHERE WE HAVE GOT TO IN TERMS IT OF THAT GOAL?
The Chair: Mr. CANTAFIO? // I CAN TELL YOU WE’RE THE MOST
FOOD INSECURE PROVINCE IN CANADA.
// THANKS. AND CAN YOU — I LOVE THINKING ABOUT OUR LOCAL
BEER AND DRINKING OUR LOCAL BEER AND THINKING ABOUT IT AS A VERY
GOOD EXAMPLE OF IMPORT REPLACEMENT. BUT I’M WONDERING
IF YOU CAN SPEAK. YOU DID MENTION THE SEAFOOD INDUSTRY.
BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, SORT OF
UNTAPPED IMPORT REPLACEMENT IDEAS THAT THERE ARE THAT WE
COULD BE LACKING NATIONAL NOVA SCOTIA?
// YEAH, I THINK IT JUST COMES BACK TO RECOGNIZING THAT WE NEED
TO HAVE REGIONALIZED ECONOMIES THAT ARE PLACE-BASED. SO WE
COULD BE EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GRASS-FED BEEF
PRODUCTION. WE COULD BE EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
OWNER OPERATED AQUACULTURE OPERATIONS THAT ARE NOT GIANT
CONGLOMERATES THAT CONTROL OUR SEAFOOD CONTROL AND BASICALLY
POLLUTE OUR OCEANS. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE WHERE DO
THINGS MAKE THE MOST SENSE AT A REGIONAL LEVEL. WIND
DEVELOPMENT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IN A PLACE SUCH AS VICTORIA
COUNTY WHICH HAS HIGH LEVELS OF UNEMPLOYMENT BUT INCREDIBLY HIGH
LEVELS OF SUSTAINED WIND AND VERY GOOD TOPOGRAPHY. THE IDEA
ABOUT PLACE-BASED ECONOMICS AND RELOCALLIZATION IS THAT WE
CANNOT RELY EXTENSIVELY ON THE NEO LIBERAL CAPITALIST NOODLE
WE’RE SOMEHOW GOING TO RECEIVE A WONDERFUL TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT BY
PANDERING TO THE RICH CAN WITH CREATING LARGER AND LARGER
CORPORATIONS THAT BECOME TOO BIG TO FAIL. THIS IS HAPPENING IN
ATLANTIC CANADA. IT’S HAPPENING IN NOVA SCOTIA. AND THOSE
COMPANIES HAVE AN UNFAIR AMOUNT OF SWAY AND DO NOT GET TOLD ONE
DAY IN ADVANCE BEFORE IT’S THE WEEKEND WHEN IT’S TIME TO
CONSULT. THEY ACTUALLY GET TO BE FLOWN TO CERTAIN PLACES AND
PANDERED AND MAYBE THEY’RE GOING ON MISSIONS AND INVESTIGATIVE
TRAVEL AND MEET OVER CHAMPAGNE. SO I DON’T THINK THAT’S FAIR.
The Chair: THANK YOU. EMMA
GOULDEN? // [ Inaudible ]. The Chair: HELLO, MS. GOULDEN.
FIVE MINUTES FOR PRESENTATION AND FIVE MINUTES FOR
QUESTIONING. // GREAT.
The Chair: THANK YOU. MS. GOULDEN. MS. MARTIN NUMBER.
// THANK YOU. WHEN DID THE TIME CHANGE? I THOUGHT WE HAD —
The Chair: THE TIME CHANGED WHEN IT WAS WHEN WE ALLOWED —
// I UNDERSTOOD WE AGREED TO TEN MINUTES.
The Chair: AT THE GAINING OF THE MEETING BUT THE CLERK TOLD
ME WHEN I CAME IN THAT IT WAS CHANGED TO 5. 5 AND 5.
// 5 AND 5 AND 5? // NO, NO.
The Chair: 5 AND 5. BECAUSE WE ADDED ON THE EXTRA HOURS. TO
THE MEETING. MS. GOULDEN, YOU MAY GO.
// HELLO. MY NAME IS EMMA GOULDEN AND I’M A 17-YEAR-OLD
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT FROM HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA. EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON, I AUDITED THIS EVENT AND AFTER LEAVING TO GO
BACK TO SCHOOL, I RECEIVED A CALL ASKING ME TO SPEAK RIGHT
NOW SO PLEASE ENJOY MY 20-MINUTE SPEECH THAT I JUST WROTE IN THE
PUBLIC LIBRARY. YOU PROBABLY DON’T FOE MY NAME
BUT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THE ORGANIZATION I’M A PART OF,
SCHOOL STRIKE FOR CLIMATE WITH JULIAN WILLOW. MY PEERS AND I
JUST RECENTLY ORGANIZED THE SEPTEMBER 27th STRIKE IN WHICH
WAS ATTENDED BY 10,000 PEOPLE. THE REASON I’M BRINGING THIS IS
UP NOT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF, BUT MY
EXPERIENCE AS A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANIZATION AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
BEFORE LAST YEAR, I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THE CLIMATE CRISIS WAS SO
ONE DAY WHEN I SAW A POST ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND ITS
IMPENDING TOO MANY, IT’S SAFE TO SAY I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK.
THIS LED TO HOURS OF SPIRALING IN THE DARK CORNERS OF THE
INTERNET. AFTER TAKING IN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, I ONLY HAD
ONE QUESTION. IF THIS IS AS BAD AS SCIENTISTS ARE SAYING, WHY
AROUND WE FREAKING OUT? I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. MASS
IMMIGRATION, PLUS AIR AIRPOLLUTION-RELATED DEATHS PLUS
MORE EQUALS PRETTY BAD STUFF. AND I DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO DEAL
WITH THIS OVERLOAD OF INFORMATION. THIS LED TO ME AND
MANY OTHER CHILDREN MIKE LEE FALLING INTO A STATE OF CLIMATE
ANXIETY OR DEPRESSION. LACK OF PASSION, LACK OF HOPE, LACK OF
INNOCENCE. I FELT LIKE MY VOICE HAD BEEN PUT ON A MUTE AND
NOTHING I THOUGHT MATTERED TO ANYBODY AND THAT MY FUTURE
DIDN’T MATTER. AND I NEVER FELT MORE LIKE THIS THAN WHEN I DID
WITH THE RECENT ELECTION. I WASN’T ALLOWED IT VOTE, EVEN
THOUGH THIS ELECTION WOULD AFFECT MY FUTURE THE MOST. AND
I QUICKLY BECAME AWARE THAT THIS IS THE MOST VITAL MOMENT OF
HUMAN EXISTENCE AND THAT THE CLIMATE MOVEMENT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT MOVEMENT OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. BUT THAT’S OKAY
BECAUSE WHEN THINGS GET BAD, THAT’S WHEN THE ADULTS SAVE THE
DAY. RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO A STORY
I READ AS A KID. I’LL RECAP THE FLAT REALLY QUICKLY. IN A TOWN
CALLED NEEDVILLE, EVERYTHING WAS FAKE, EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT,
BUT ACROSS THE WALLS A A HIDDEN WORLD OF SMOKE AND OIL. NOBODY
CARED AND NOBODY FEARED THE IMPENDING DOOM THAT WAS HOVERING
OVER THEIR BEAUTIFUL CITY. BUT ONE KID, ONE KID CARED. AND
THAT KID SET ON A MISSION TO CHANGE THE WORLD. THAT KID CAME
FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE MAN HIMSELF THAT CREATED THIS MESS.
THE MAN TOLD THE KID TO LEAVE AND THE KID CAME BACK EVERY DAY
AND THE MAN KEPT IGNORING HIM UNTIL ONE DAY THE KID CAME BACK
AND THIS TIME, THE MAN LISTENED. AND THE MAN HANDED HIM THE LAST
SEED TO THE TREE AND WITH THAT LAST SEED, THE KID PLANTED A
TREE AND MORE TREES UNTIL THERE WAS A BRIGHT FOREST SURROUNDING
THE CITY. SO HOW DID NEEDVILLE GET SAVE
STANDARD I’LL GIVE YOU A BEHIND. IT’S THE ONLY PART OF THE STORY
THAT HASN’T HAPPENED YET. SOME MAY ARGUE IT’S THE KID THAT
SAVED IT, BUT IT’S NOT. IT WAS WHEN THE MAN GAVE THE KID THE
SEED, IT WAS WHEN THE MAN LISTENED THAT THINGS COULD
ACTUALLY CHANGE. DUE TO THE FACT THAT I WROTE THIS SPEECH
LITERALLY 20 MINUTES AGO AND RAN HERE, I ADMITTEDLY DID NOT READ
BILL 213 IN-DEPTH SO I CAN’T GIVE YOU SPECIFIC CHANGES TO
MAKE, BUT I CAN, HOWEVER, GIVE YOU A THREE-STEP PLAN INTO
SOLVING THE CLIMATE CRISIS. LISTEN, READY? STEP 1,
INDIGENOUS SOVEREIGNTY. STEP 2, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND STEP 3,
AN EGO CHECK. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I HAD THE PLEASURE
OF TALKING WITH DAVID SUZUKI ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRIES SUCCESS
WITH THERE IS SOMETHING HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY AFTER FINISHING HIS
PRESENTATIONS TO LIVING ROOM STUDENTS WHICH I THOUGHT I WOULD
SAY TO YOU. IF YOU TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THIS, LET IT
BE THAT WE ARE ANIMALS. I MAY BE A 17-YEAR-OLD HIGH SCHOOL
STUDENT AND YOU MAY BE A BIG BOY DECISION MAKER. BUT AT THE END
OF THE DAY, WE NEED THREE THINGS TO SURVIVE. FOOD, WATER, AND
AIR. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE AT STAKE. YOU SAY YOU CARE ABOUT
OUR FUTURE. DON’T TELL ME. SHOW ME. THANK YOU. The Chair: MS. MARTIN?
// WOW, I THINK WE’VE JUST MET OUR OWN NOVA SCOTIA’S GRETA
THUNBERG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF BABES AS
THEY SAY AND I FOR ONE SAY I’M OLDER AND DON’T KNOW WHAT I
SHOULD, BUT WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO THE YOUTH BECAUSE
YOU REALLY — YOU AS A GROUP KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
AND IT’S TIME THAT AS YOU SAID, THE BIG BOY POLITICIANS STOP AND
LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FUTURE AND I CAN
ONLY IMAGINE WHERE YOU’RE GOING TO GO AND WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO
DO BECAUSE YOU MAY BE RUNNING THIS PLACES IN A FEW YEARS TIME
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU CAN DO THAT IN 20 MINUTES,
IMAGINE WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH A LITTLE MORE NOTICE. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. The Chair: THANK YOU. AND I’M
GLAD YOU’RE A FAST RUNNER AND YOU MADE IT HERE. THANK YOU. Mr. LEBLANC.
// I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND LAW AMENDMENTS
INTO SUBSEQUENT DAYS TO TONIGHT UNTIL WE HAVE HEARD FROM
EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AND WE NO LONGER CUT OFF PEOPLE
GETTING ON TO THE LIST THAT WE JUST EXTEND LAW AMENDMENTS INTO
TOMORROW AND WEDNESDAY IF POSSIBLE. AND ACTUALLY, IF IT’S
A MOTION, I WILL SAY JUST EXTEND LAW AMENDMENTS UNTIL EVERYONE
HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK. The Chair: IS THE MOTION ON
THE FLOOR? MS. LEBLANC?
PARDON? // [ Inaudible ]
The Chair: SURE. // YEAH, SO I’M PUTTING THAT
MOTION ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT WE MUST
PASS THIS BILL TOMORROW OR THIS BILL MUST MOVE FORWARD IN THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY LETTING IT FOLLOW THE
NATURAL LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHICH WE BASICALLY DON’T HAVE TO
CONTAIN. SO IF A BILL HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING WHICH THIS
ONE HAS, IT THEN GOES TO THE COMMITTEE ON LAW AMENDMENTS
UNTIL THE COMMITTEE OF LAW AMENDMENTS IS FINISHED. AND IF
WE PRESUPPOSE THAT THEN WE HAVE TO DO A SECOND READING OF THIS
BILL TOMORROW AND CLEARLY THAT IS THE PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN
CALLED FOR HOUSE HOURS TONIGHT AT WHICH THESE BILLS WILL BE
REPORTED BACK TO THE HOUSE, WHICH MEANS THE PLAN IS TO HAVE
A THIRD READING AND THIS BILL WILL PASS TOMORROW BECAUSE WE
HAVE A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, IT IS MY DEEP FEELING THAT WE
SHOULD ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO CONTINUE UNTIL IT COMES TO ITS
NATURAL END. The Chair: THERE IS A MOTION
ON THE FLOOR IS. THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE
IS FAVOUR? OPPOSED? MOTION IS CARRIED. — MOTION IS NOT
CARRIED. IRA RINEHART SMITH? GOOD AFTERNOON, IRA YOU HAVE
FIVE MINUTES TO CENT AND FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS.
// HELLO TO THANK YOU ALL. MY NAME IS IRA REINHART SMITH AND I
AM 15 YEARS OLD. I COME FROM CALEDONIA, NOVA SCOTIA, OR HOW
IT HAS BEEN KNOWN BY THE MI’KMAW PEOPLE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS,
MI’KMAQY. I WAS JUST TOLD TWO HOURS AGO I WAS SPEAKING TODAY.
AS A UTH I DON’T, THE FUTURE OF MY WORLD IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I
LOVE THE NATURAL PLACES STILL UNTOUCHED BY MAN KIND’S ENDLESS
MARCH OF CIVILIZATION. THAT IS WHY FIRSTLY I COMMEND YOU. YOU
HAVE SET GOALS IN LINE WITH THE IPCC REPORT, MAKING ONE OF THE
MOST AMBITIOUS GOALS IN CANADA. BUT CANADA IS NOT A WORLD
LEADER. PUSHING THE GOALS TO END ALL EMISSIONS BY 2050 ALLOWS
NO ROOM FOR ERROR, NO ROOM FOR AN EXTRA YEAR YOU THINK YOU
STILL NEED FOSSIL FUELS AND DOING THE BEAR MINIMUM IS NOT
ENOUGH WHEN WE ARE A RICH COUNTRY AND WE ARE A RICH
COUNTRY. WE CAN AFFORD TO SPEND MONEY
FASTER TO ALLOW COUNTRIES WE HAVE PROFITED OFF FOR YEARS TO
CATCH UP. WE CAN NO LONGER BLAME THEM FOR BEING SO FAR
BEHIND BECAUSE WE PUT THEM THERE. EARLIER THIS WEEK, A
LAWSUIT WAS FILED AGAINST THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT BY A GROUP
OF YOUTH PLAINTIFFS ON THEIR INACTION AND ACTIONS CAUSING
CLIMATE CHANGE. I’M PROUD TO SAY I AM ONE OF THESE
PLAINTIFFS. AS AMAZING AS THIS LAST WEEK HAS BEEN FOR ME, IT
SADDENS ME ALSO. I MET AMAZING YOUTH FROM ALL AROUND CANADA WHO
ARE NOW DEDICATING THEIR CHILDHOOD TO FIGHT FOR THEIR
FUTURE. THESE YOUTH ARE BEING FORCED TO QUIT SCHOOL, LOSE
SLEEP, LOSE THEIR CHILDHOOD BECAUSE OF THE TIME AND ENERGY
THEY ARE GIVING. SO AS GRATEFUL AS I AM FOR YOU FOR TAKING THIS
STEP, I SAY YOU CAN DO MORE. CHILDREN ARE NOT ONLY LOSING
THEIR FUTURES BUT THEIR CHILDHOODS TO FIGHT CLIMATE
CHANGE. SO I SAY YOU CAN DO MORE. AS A PLAINTIFF FROM NOVA
SCOTIA, I REPRESENT THE YOUTH OF NOVA SCOTIA. AND I MUST ASK FOR
THE BEST WE CAN DO. WELL, ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050 IS GOOD, WE
CAN DO BETTER. IF WE CAN DO BETTER, WE MUST, BECAUSE WE
CANNOT ALLOW THERE BE A CHANCE INVOLVED WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
FUTURE. I KNOW MANY OF YOU WILL BE HAPPY WE ARE SPEAKING UP.
YOU ABOUT PLEASE DON’T BE HAPPY THAT CHILDREN ARE HAVING TO TELL
YOU WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING 30 YEARS AGO. LISTEN TO
DARLENE GILBERT, TO ME, MORE OF A ROLE MODEL THAN ANY
POLITICIAN. SHE SAYS YOU ARE POISONING HER WATERS. YOU TELL
US YOU ARE POISONING OUR FUTURES. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS
TO US? I AM SELF-EDUCATED REGARDING THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
BUT SOMEHOW I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE YOUNG AND SELF-TAUGHT, WE
CAN SEE THE BIGGER PICK BETTER THAN YOU. LIKE GRETA SAYS, IT’S
BLACK AND WHITE. IT IS BLACK AND WHITE. WE EITHER FIGHT OR
WE DON’T. ALL THE THINGS IN BETWEEN, JOBS, THE ECONOMY, THE
HOUSING, THEY CAN BE SOLVED. US YOUTH ARE NOT SCIENTISTS. ALL
WE ARE DOING IS PUTTING UP A FLASHING NEON SIGN THE SIZE OF
NOVA SCOTIA SAYING LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE. SO PLEASE READ THE
SIGN YOU’VE BEEN IGNORING. WE ARE PROUD THAT NOVA SCOTIA HAS
TAKEN THE FIRST TENTATIVE STEP FORWARD, BUT PLEASE TURN IT INTO
A SLEEP WE WILL BURRIS INTO APPLAUSE. YOU SAY YOU CARE
ABOUT MY FUTURE. DON’T TELL ME. SHOW ME. THANK YOU.
The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. MARTIN.
// AGAIN, I’LL SAY TO YOU, THANK YOU, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU
SHOULDN’T HAVE TO LOSE YOUR CHILDHOOD OR YOUR YOUTH. BUT
YOU’RE SHOWING AND YOU’RE TEACHING US A LOT AND I HOPE
YOU’RE LEARNING HERE TODAY THAT WITH THE MAJORITY GOVERNMENT,
YOU’RE NOT GETTING THE CHANCE THAT YOU NEED AND SHOULD HAVE
UNDER YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY AND
HAVE EVERYBODY SPEAK AT LAW AMENDMENTS. SO THIS IS SAD
EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE’RE SHOWING PEOPLE HERE IN THIS CHAMBER
TODAY, THAT WE’RE NOT GIVING YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE HERE THE
AMPLE TIME TO SPEAK. SO IF YOU TAKE ANYTHING AWAY AS I HAVE,
I’M LEARNING FROM YOU AND I HOPE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE
ALSO LEARNING FROM THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU.
The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. NATHAN BRETT?
MS. MARTIN? // MADAM CHAIR, I’D LIKE TO MOVE
A MOTIONING THAT RESTORE TIME FOR EACH PRESENTER TO 15
MINUTES. [ NO AUDIO ] // IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO
SPEAK TO EACH SPEAKER. I WILL REITERATE THAT I DON’T THINK WE
SHOULD BE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF TIME PRESENTERS HAVE IN ORDER TO
FIT PEOPLE INTO A PREDETERMINED END TIME FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
The Chair: THAT WAS THREE-PARTY AGREEMENT. BUT WE
CAN DO OTHERWISE. Mr. JOHNS? // YEAH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
AND THE PC CAUCUS IS OKAY WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT’S ON THE
FLOOR. WE FEEL — The Chair: IT’S A MOTION.
// OR THE MOTION THAT’S ON THE FLOOR. WE FEEL THAT ENVIRONMENT
IS IMPORTANT AND WE’RE HERE AND WE’D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE
PEOPLE SO WE’RE FAVOURABLE TO RESTATING THE TIME.
The Chair: MS. MARTIN? // THANK YOU. AND I CONCUR WITH
MY COLLEAGUE. I THINK THE PUSHING THROUGH OF THIS BILL BY
A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT IS DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF LAW
AMENDMENTS AND I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY TO SUPPORT THIS SO
THAT THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA CAN BE HEARD.
The Chair: READY FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IS FAVOUR? OPPOSED? THE MOTION IS DEFEATED. // I’M THE GOING TO BE BRIEF. I
AGREE FOR ALL THE SPEAKERS WHO HAVE CALLED FOR A TIGHTENING OF
THIS ACT. WHY ISN’T MY COMPUTER WORKING? THERE WE GO. TO
REFLECT THE REALITY OF OUR SITUATION. I’M A RETIRED
PHILOSOPHY PROF FROM DAL AND I GUESS AS LONG AS 20 YEARS AGO, I
WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REALIZE THE URGENCY OF THIS
SITUATION. WE NEED SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES REAL INPUT FROM
THE COMMUNITY AND REAL ACCOUNTABILITY THAT MERE
REGULATIONS DON’T GIVE AS A PREVIOUS SPEAKER ARGUED. I AM
VERY PLEASED THAT NOVA SCOTIA RECOGNIZES THAT CLIMATE CHANGE
PROBABLE AS AN EMERGENCY REQUIRING URGENT ACTION. AS THE
FATHER OF TWO AND GRANDFATHER OF FOUR, I WANT TO ENDORSE WHAT
YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE SAID HERE MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I WILL BE
ABLE TO. IN SYDNEY LAST WEEK, I PRESENTED A PAPER AT A
CONFERENCE WHERE I ARGUED THAT GRETA THUNBERG IS THE ROSA PARKS
OF CLIMATE CHANGE. BY THIS, I MEAN THAT THERE’S A HUGE ISSUE
OF INJUSTICE INVOLVED HERE, COMPARABLE TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS
ISSUE, BUT IN SOME WAYS EVEN MORE SERIOUS SINCE WE MAY WELL
WITNESS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE LIFE ON
EARTH POSSIBLE. AT THE CLIMATE STRIKE, I CARRIED
A SIGN THAT SAID YOUNG LIVES MATTER. OUR INACTION IS
DISCRIMINATING AGAINST YOUNG PEOPLE. I ALSO PUT ON THAT
PICKET SIGN THAT WE ARE STILL SUBSIDIZING IF CANADA COAL, OIL,
AND GAS PRODUCTION TO THE TUNE OF 3.3 BILLION LAST YEAR OR $19
A TON FOR THE PRODUCTION OF CARBON — OF GREENHOUSE CARBON.
WILL THIS ACT REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT NOVA SCOTIA’S CONTRIBUTION
TO THAT? YOUNG PEOPLE WILL LEAD ALL OF
THEIR LIVES IN THE SHADOW OF THIS PROBLEM. MANY OF THE
DECISION MAKERS WILL NOT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WILL NOT LIVE AS
FAR INTO THE FUTURE AS THEY WILL WILL. WE OFTEN SPEAK OF
GENERATION ASL JUSTICE BUT THAT PUTS IT IN A WAY THAT’S TOO
ABSTRACT. YOUNG PEOPLE EXISTING NOW, REAL PEOPLE, WILL BE FAR
MORE HARMED THAN THE ADULTS IN THIS ROOM.
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ALREADY ESTIMATES THAT 150,000
PEOPLE DIE AS A RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE ENHANCED STORMS
AND OTHER SUCH THINGS AND THERE’S BEEN TALK OF CALIFORNIA,
BUT IT’S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT IN B.C. AND IN BOTH 2017 AND
2018, THE FOREST FIRES WERE LARGER THAN PRINCE EDWARD
ISLAND. AND THAT THEY PRODUCED ENOUGH CARBON THAT — AND CARBON
DIOXIDE TO OVERWHELM BY TWO OR THREE TIMES THE TOTAL AMOUNT
THAT WAS BEING PRODUCED BY AUTOMOBILE USE AND SO ON IN THE
PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA. NOW, LET ME MOVE ON TO ONE OR
TWO SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT COME UP. NOVA SCOTIA HAS
RECENTLY, WITH SUBSIDIES, GOT BACK INTO THE COAL BUSINESS. SO
NOT ONLY HAVE WE CONTINUED TO BURN COAL, 96 — SORRY, 56% OF
OUR NOVA SCOTIA POWER IS PRODUCED BY COAL. BUT WE’VE
GOTTEN BACK INTO THE EXPORT BUSINESS, $33 MILLION IN 2018.
NOW, I’M NOT SURE ABOUT NOVA SCOTIA, BUT MANY JURISDICTIONS
DO NOT COUNT THE FOSSIL FUELS THAT THEY EXPORT IN THEIR CARBON
FOOT PRINT. BUT THOUGH IT’S OFTEN GOOD TO THINK LOCALLY, IT
WON’T DO HERE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE COAL IS BURNED,
IT WILL CONTRIBUTE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY TO THIS EMERGENCY.
THE FINAL EXAMPLE THAT I’LL GIVE IS DAVID PATRIQUIN ALREADY
MENTIONED THIS. BIOFUELS. THE CARBON STORED IN THESE BIOFUELS
IS MAINLY FROM TREES AND, OF COURSE, WHEN IT’S BURNED, IT’S
RELEASED. IF WE HAD 50 YEARS FOR THE TREES TO REGROW, THAT
MIGHT BE DEEMED A RENEWABLE RESOURCE. BUT WE’VE REALLY GOT
TEN YEARS AND ALL OF THAT IS NEGATIVE. THAT IS TO SAY, IT’S
A CARBON BURDEN. IT’S NOT A GREEN FORM OF ENERGY USE.
I’LL JUST END BY SAYING WE ARE SENDING OUR CHILDREN AND —
WE’RE SENDING OUR CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN TO AN UNKNOWN
PLANET, ANOTHER SIGN ON ONE OF THE PICKETS THAT I SAW. THANK
YOU. The Chair: THANK YOU,
Mr. BRETT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. LEBLANC?
// THANK YOU. I, AS A PHILOSOPHY PROF, YOU MAY
APPRECIATE THIS COMMENT. BUT I HAVE MADE A THEATRE PRODUCTION
BASED ON A PLAY (INDISCERNIBLE) AND IN ONE OF THE LINES I SPOKE
TOWARDS THE END OF THE SHOW IS THAT I SAY IMAGINE IF OUR
CONSUMER DESIRES WERE SUPERSEDED BY A SEARCH FOR AFFINITY AND I
REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT. I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS QUOTE
THIS IS BEFORE YOU SAID HE WERE A PHILOSOPHY PROF, I’VE BEEN
THINKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF ALL AFTERNOON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT
REALLY DOES COME DOWN TO THAT. LIKE, WHEN THE PREMIER — WHEN
WHEN HE OUR DEBATE ON THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY TOWARDS THE
BEGINNING OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SITTING, THE PREMIER TALKED
ABOUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL GREEN THE ECONOMY AT THE SAME
TIME OR — SORRY, WE WILL GREEN THE PLANET AT THE SAME TIME THE
ECONOMY. AND — SORRY, PARDON ME. WE WILL GREEN THE
PLANET WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE ECONOMY. I CAN’T REMEMBER THE
EXACT QUOTE. BUT THAT WAS THE IDEA. AND I JUST THINK THAT
THIS IS, LIKE, OLD THINKING AND WE CANNOT THINK IN THOSE WAYS
ANYMORE. WE CANNOT BALANCE THE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE ECONOMY.
WE NEED TO TRANSFORM THE WHOLE KIT AND KABOODLE SO WE HAVE A
TRANSFORMATION OF THE NEW ECONOMY. I LEARNED ABOUT THE
BLUE ECONOMY TODAY WHICH I DIDN’T KNOW. ABOUT AND I’M JUST
WONDERING IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND IF YOU
WERE TO THINK ABOUT SORT OF A PROVINCE THAT YOU FELT HOPEFUL
IN, WHAT WOULD THAT ECONOMY LOOK LIKE TO YOU?
The Chair: Mr. BRETT? // WELL, ALREADY THERE ARE MORE
JOBS IN GREEN ENERGY THAN THERE ARE IN COAL, OIL, AND GAS
COMBINED . IF NOVA SCOTIA
DOESN’T GET INTO THE GREEN ECONOMY IN A THOROUGH WAY, DO
MORE THAN THIS LITTLE EXPERIMENT WITH THE TIDES IN THE BAY OF
FINANCE I DID AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. WE ARE GOING TO BE LEFT
BEHIND IF THERE’S A WORLD TO BE LEFT BEHIND IN. SO, YES, OF
COURSE, THAT’S WHERE WE NEED TO START MAKING THE CHANGES INTO
THAT ECONOMY AND IT MAY MEAN THAT FOR A TIME WE’RE MAKING
SOME SACRIFICES THAT, DO WE JUST SAY, OH, IT’S OKAY TO CONTINUE?
I MEAN, EVEN THAT THAT HE $3 MILLION REPRESENTS LIVES
LOST. — EVEN THAT $33 MILLION REPRESENTS LIVES LOST. AND
THAT’S A SERIOUS THING. WE ARE COMPLICIT IN THAT IF WE DON’T
TAKE RADICAL ACTION. The Chair: THANK YOU.
Mr. JOHNS? // YEAH, NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION
BUT A QUICK COMMENT. I THINK WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE THAT
WE’RE BEING LEFT BEHIND. AUTO INDUSTRIES LIKE AUDI AND STUFF,
I THINK THIS YEAR THEY PUT OUT EVERY CAR THAT THEY HAVE COMING
SOUTH AN EV, RIGHT? SO WE ARE SEEING THE WORLD MOVING AWAY
FROM FUS FILL FUELS. WE’RE NOT. AND I DO THINK THAT THERE’S
SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES TO TRANSITION TO A GREEN ECONOMY.
SO — BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY, ALTHOUGH I DON’T HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS, I DID WANT TO SAY I THOUGHT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS
VERY GOOD AND THANK YOU FOR COMING IN BECAUSE YOU’VE GIVEN
ME A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT I
WOULDN’T HAVE THOUGHT OF PARTICULARLY IN REGARDS TO
EXPORTS IN REGARDS TO COAL AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT’S CALCULATED
INTO OUR GHG NUMBERS OR NOT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT
THAT ALTHOUGH I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, I WROTE A LOT OF
NOTES AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID. SO
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TODAY.
The Chair: THANK YOU. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. MS. LILLIAN HOGAN
BENIMA? MS. LEBLANC.
// FEAR NOT, I AM NOT PUTTING FORWARD A MOTION. THERE WAS A
GENTLEMAN WHO CALLED EARLIER AND HE JUST RECEIVED A VOICE MAIL
BACK. HIS NAME IS CHARLES WILLIAMS AND SO HE IS HERE NOW
SO HAD MADE A PHONE CALL. WE’RE HOPING HE CAN GET ON THE LIST.
The Chair: CLERK? CAN HE BE PUT ON THE LIST?
The Clerk: MY OFFICE IS TELLING ME WHO CALLED.
// HE WAS TOLD IT WAS FULL AND THEY CALLED HIM BACK AROUND 2 TO
SAY HE COULD COME IN FOR 5. BUT HE IS NOT OFFICIALLY ON THE LEST
BUT THAT WAS A MESSAGE HE GOT. SO HE’S HERE. CAN HE GET ON THE
LIST. The Clerk: [ Inaudible ]
// HE WAS CALLED BACK AND HE WAS TOLD TO COME IN FOR 5. I’M
ASSUMING THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL. THEY CALLED HIM BACK
AROUND 2 AND SAID TO COME IN FOR 5.
The Chair: THE CLERKS WILL CLARIFY WHILE WE HAVE OUR NEXT
SPEAKER. OH, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE. HI. DO YOU WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND WHO IS LILLIAN?
// I’M LILLIAN. The Chair: HI, LILLIAN.
// I’M SOPHIE KENT PURCELL. The Chair: OKAY. SOPHIE AND
LILLIAN. WHO IS GOING FIRST? // I AM.
The Chair: OKAY. SO LILLIAN, YOU CAN GO FIRST.
// OKAY. SO MY NAME IS LOCALLIAN HOGAN AND I’M 15 YEARS
OLD. THAT MEANS I WAS BORN IN 2004. IN 1988, THE
INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE WAS ESTABLISHED.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT A NEW ISSUE. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE
KNOWN ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE FOR 31 YEARS, CANADIAN AND NOVA
SCOTIAN GOVERNMENTS HAVE FAILED TO CREATE AN ACT UPON STRONG
PROGRESSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY. WHEN I LEARNED THAT
NOVA SCOTIA WAS REVIEWING ITS ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS, I WAS
EXCITED. THIS WAS A CHANCE FOR NOVA SCOTIA TO BE A LEADER IN
HELPING CANADA AND THE WORLD SWIFTLY AND JUSTLY TRANSITION TO
RENEWABLE ENERGY AND A BETTER FUTURE.
Carrie: SOPHIE The Chair: SO FORTH ANY.
// THIS BILL CONTAINS VERY CLEAR STEPS. THE BILL IS LACKING
PLANS TO DEAL WITH SOME KEY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN NOVA
SCOTIA. SOMETIMES WHEN I THINK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE
LARGE SCALE EFFECTS ON OUR EARTH, I FIND IT HARD TO IMAGINE
WHAT OUR WORLD WOULD BE LIKE WITHOUT IMMEDIATE CLIMATE
ACTION. IF OUR ICE CAPS MELT ,
IMAGINING ANY WORLD WHERE THOUSANDS OF SPECIES HAVE GONE
EXTINCT AND OUR OCEANS ARE FULL OF GARBAGE, THAT IS NOT A WORLD
I WANT TO LIVE IN. // I AM VERY SCARED —
The Chair: LILLIAN HOGAN. // I AM SCARED. I DON’T SLEEP
AT NIGHT BECAUSE I WORRY. I DON’T GOSSIP WITH MY FRIENDS THE
SCHOOL. WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE WON’T HAVE A FUTURE. I HOPE YOU
LISTEN TO US TODAY AND I HOPE YOU TAKE OUR ADVICE. YOU SAY
YOU CARE ABOUT OUR FUTURE. DON’T TELL ME. SHOW ME. THANK
YOU. The Chair: THANK YOU.
MS. MARTIN? // THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I FOR
ONE AM LEARNING SO MUCH TODAY. AND FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE A LOT
YOUNGER THAN ME. BUT TWO THINGS AND MAYBE IF BOTH OF YOU HAVE A
QUICK LITTLE ANSWER. HOW DID YOU BECOME SO
KNOWLEDGEABLE? AND WHAT ARE YOU MOST AFRAID OF? The Chair: LILLIAN?
// WELL, I DON’T THINK I AM AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS I COULD BE.
BUT I THINK WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND
WE HAVE — THE WORLD IS BEAUTIFUL AND WE HAVE FRESH
WATER AND CLEAN AIR BUT IF WE DON’T HAVE THAT, THERE IS NO
FUTURE AND THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. AND THAT’S ABOUT ALL I
KNOW. BUT I KNOW THAT’S NOT GOOD.
The Chair: SOPHIE, DID YOU HAVE A REPLY?
// I ALSO LEARNED A LOT OF THINGS TODAY LISTENING TO
PEOPLE. BUT I LEARNED THING TODAY AND THAT WAS REALLY GREAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I’M MOST SCARED OF IS GROWING UP IN A
WORLD WHERE THERE ISN’T ANY GREEN SPACE OR NATURAL AREAS FOR
ME TO ENJOY AND FOR MY KIDS IF I EVER HAVE KIDS AND THE FUTURE
GENERATIONS TO GROW UP WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND
TIME OUTSIDE AND CONNECT. The Chair: THANK YOU,
Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND
LADIES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN TO COMPENSATE TODAY.
I ECHO YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER AND I BELIEVE IT WAS LILLIAN WHO
SAID SHE WAS REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THAT EXPA AND THE GOALS AND
TARGETS WERE GOING TO BE UPDATED. I WAS PRETTY EXCITED,
TOO, UNTIL I SAW WHAT CAME FORWARD AND THEN I WAS PRETTY
DISAPPOINTED. SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU’RE COMING FROM.
I’M JUST CURIOUS, LILLIAN, YOU DID SAY WHAT YEAR YOU WERE BORN.
I MISSED THAT. HOW OLD ARE YOU? // 15.
The Chair: LILLIAN? // I’M 15.
// THANK YOU. CAN YOU DO ME A QUICK FAVOUR. I KNOW YOUR NOT A
DICTIONARY, I JUST WANT YOUR BEST SHOT AT THIS. DEFINE THE
WORD EMERGENCY FOR ME. The Chair: IS AT THAT THROUGH
LILLIAN OR SOPHIE? LILLIAN? // AN EMERGENCY IS WHEN
SOMETHING BECOMES SO DRASTIC THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS
BUT TO ACT IMMEDIATELY AND QUICKLY.
The Chair: THANK YOU. // [ Inaudible ].
The Chair: Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU. AND, LILLIAN,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CALLED A
CLIMATE EMERGENCY, WHEN WE FIRST MET, I FELT SIMILAR TO THANK YOU
WHAT THE DEFINITION WAS EMERGENCY IS. I FIND IT REALLY
DISAPPOINTING THAT IT’S GOING TO TAKE WELL OVER A YEAR FOR THIS
PARTICULAR LEGISLATION TO GET PASSED. THAT’S NOT HOW I DEAL
WITH AN EMERGENCY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES, I APPRECIATE
YOUR TIME. The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION….. THEN JURY OF STOTLAND? JENNIFER
STOTLAND. // THANK YOU FOR GETTING ME ON
YOUR SCHEDULE. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK.
I’VE ALSO LEARNED A LOT HERE TODAY. AND I’VE BEEN HEARING
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE SINCE I WAS A CHILD IN THE 1980s AND I’M
ALMOST 40 NOW AND MY WHOLE LIFE, I’VE LED A LIFE OF GASLIGHTING
AND INACTION FROM THE WORLD AROUND ME. WE’VE HEARD PREVIOUS
SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT TIPPING POINTS. THE ALBIDO EFFECT WAS
MENTIONED. THESE EFFECTS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PUSH US PAST
THE TIPPING POINT AND EXPONENTIALLY INCREASE CARBON IN
ATMOSPHERE. THERE’S AT LEAST SEVEN, INCLUDE FOREST FIRES, IF
IT THE OCEANS BECOME TIE AIDIC TOO SUPPORT LIFE WHICH RELEASES
CO2, IF THOSE CURRENTS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE MELTING ICE WATER
EFFECTS OPENING CURRENTS, THAT EFFECTS OCEAN LIFE LOSS AS WELL.
THEY’VE LED TO EXTENSION EVENTS IN THE PAST. AND IF METHANE IN
THE ARCTIC AND OCEAN FLOOR ARE RELEASED, THAT CAN PRODUCE MORE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS EQUIVALENT THAN FOUR TIMES THAT
WHICH WE’VE EVER PRODUCED AS A HUMAN RACE. SO I’VE SEEN A LOT
OF LANGUAGE AROUND EXTREME WEATHER AND FAMINE, NOT THAT
ANYBODY HERE HAS PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THE KIND OF HUNG
THEY’RE GOES ON IN THE WORLD AND SO WE HAVE A LESS IMMEDIATE
UNDERSTANDING OF IT THAN SOME PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING NOW.
BUT I DON’T SEE ANY MENTIONS OF A WELCOME OF CLOUDS TO PRODUCE
RAIN WHICH CAN HAPPEN OVER 4 WARMING OR AN ATMOSPHERE THAT’S
NO LONGER BREATHABLE. THE 2030 IPCC TARGETS ABOUT TEN
YEARS NOW TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL AS A PLANET ARE CONSERVATIVE.
WE HAVE LESS THAN TEN YEARS TO GET NET ZERO. WE HAVE CLOSER TO
FIVE YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS. WE
NEED TO TRANSFORM OUR GRID TO BE A GREEN GRID. WE NEED TO GET
RID OF FOSSIL FUELS FOR ANY USE. I CAN’T HEAT MY HOME WITHOUT
BURNING OIL AS A RENTER AND I CAN’T GET SOLAR OR WIND. I HAVE
THE CHOICE OF FREEZING IN THE DARK OR CONTRIBUTE BEING TO THE
END OF THE HUMAN SPECIES IS I LIVE WITH THAT EVERY DAY. AND
SO DOES NERVE THIS RESPECT. THIS WILL BE EXPENSIVE. WE CAN
GET FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE CAN CLOSE
LOOPHOLES, END SUBSIDIES TO
FOSSIL FUELS. WHERE DOES THIS MONEY GO? DOES IT GO TO
RETRAINING, THE CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO SEE HAPPEN?
I DON’T CARE IF YOU HAVE TO PRINT THE MONEY. ANY SOLUTION
WILL BE LESS COSTLY THAN THE ALTERNATIVE OF INACTION. WE’RE
FIGHTING FOR OUR LIVES. EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS A CHILD.
BUT EVERYONE HERE WILL SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE EFFECTS OF
EXCITEMENT CHANGE, NO MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE, BECAUSE THEY’VE
ALREADY BEGUN. THIS IS A HISTORIC MOMENT. HOW WILL YOU
BE REMEMBERED IF ANYONE IS HERE TO REMEMBER YOU AT ALL.
The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ARE INTEREST ANY
QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. — ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? NO? THANK
YOU. Dr. THOMAS TRAPPENBERG. [ NO AUDIO ] The Chair: BEFORE YOU START, I
JUST WANT TO LET MS. LEBLANC KNOW THAT Mr. CHARMS WILLIAMS
IS ON THE LIST NOW. MS. MILLER? // I JUST WANT TO MAKE A
COMMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A
COMMENTARY. I BELIEVE THE SITUATION IS 5 OUT OF 5, BUT IF
A PRESENTER WANTS TO PRESENT FOR TEN MINUTES, THEY CAN DO THAT
WITHOUT QUESTIONS. SO THEY CAN — YEAH, I’M JUST LOOKING
OVER THE LAST PRESENTERS AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN FOR EIGHT
MINUTES, SEVEN MINUTES, THE LAST ONE WAS THREE MINUTES. SO I
THINK THAT THAT’S A REASONABLE TIME AND IF ANYBODY HAS MORE
COMMENTS TO MAKE, THE TEN MINUTES SHOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT
H. The Chair: THANK YOU. Dr.
TRAPPENBERG, YOU MAY PRESENT. // THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
HAVING ME HERE. I’M A PROFESSOR AT DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY. I’M
THE ERRED ALTHOUGH OF THE GLEN PARTY AND I’M DOING THIS — OF
THE GREEN PARTY AND I’M DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A
FUTURE FOR MY CHILDREN. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE ARE IN THE
UNSEEDED WILLIAM OF THE MI’KMAW NATION AND I’M STRESSING THIS
ALWAYS BECAUSE I DID REAL, YOU KNOW, THE AGREEMENTS WE MADE AND
THE AGREEMENTS WERE WE ARE ALLOWED HERE TO SHARE. IF WE
ARE KEEPING THIS LAND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND WE SCREWED IT UP
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE IT RIGHT. I GET VERY EMOTIONAL THESE DAYS TO
TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, MY FATHER TOLD ME THIS
40 YEARS AGO. IT’S VERY HARD TO CONTINUE AFTER HEARING, YOU
KNOW, THE YOUTH. THEY HAVEN’T SCREWED IT UP. WE HAVE SCREWED
IT UP. AND — BUT MAYBE ONE THING I CAN SAY, WE HEARD — WE
KNOW ABOUT THIS 30 YEARS AGO, 31 YEARS AGO. ACTUALLY, SCIENTISTS
AS SOON AS WE STARTED DIGGING UP OIL, SOME SCIENTISTS CALCULATED,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND ALSO WE COULDN’T MEASURE IT. IT
WAS ACTUALLY PREDICTED THEORETICALLY. MY Ph.D. IS IN
THEORETICAL PHYSICS AND WE COULD MEASURE THEM. WHO READ THE IPCC
REPORT? YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU DID AND IT HAS 630 PAGES, THE
2018 REPORT. I COULDN’T GET THROUGH ALL OF IT. I READ MOST
OF THE SUMMARIES AND SOME OF THE PASSAGES BEFORE I STARTED CRYING
THERE. WAS A NEW REPORT IN 2019 ABOUT THE DYING OCEANS. THIS
MAKES ME REALLY SCARED. DO YOU KNOW THE COMMON GOALS WHICH WE
PUT OUT? IT’S TAKING UP TO A LARGE EXTENT BY THE OCEANS, BY
OUR FORESTS. THE PROBLEM IS OUR FORESTS IS DYING AND IT WILL
ACTUALLY GIVE OUT MORE CARBON. THE SAME WITH THE OCEAN. THE
OCEAN WILL BE SATURATED AND IT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE AROUND.
THERE WILL BE AN EXPLOSION OF CARBON. THIS IS WHAT THE IPCC
REPORT IS TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS NOT JUST A SMALL LITTLE
INCREASE. IF WE ARE GETTING TO A CRITICAL POINT, IT WILL
ACCELERATE AND I’M REALLY SCARED ABOUT THIS. I KNOW IT IS VERY
HARD TO FEEL THIS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GREAT SUMMER. WHAT’S THE
PROBLEM? BUT THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SCIENCE AND
BELIEVE IN SCIENCE AND GET END INDICATED AND HAVE INPUT FROM
SCIENCE. THE WWF REPORT FROM 2016 STATES THAT DURING MY
LIFETIME, HALF OF THE VERTEBRATES DISAPPEARED. THE
FRESH WATER SPECIES IS ACTUALLY EVEN WORSE. 83% DECLINE. YOU
KNOW, THIS IS SHOCKING. BUT LET ME COMMENT MORE SPECIFICALLY ON
THE BILL. SO I DON’T KNOW WHERE YOUR TARGETS ARE COMING FROM. I
KNOW IT SOUNDS AMBITIOUS AND I’M THANKFUL FOR THAT, BUT I DIDN’T
AT THE TIME, ACTUALLY, I WAS LACKING FOR IT, WHAT ARE THESE
NUMBERS REALLY MEANING. I THINK WE SHOULD STATE, FIRST OF ALL,
YOU KNOW, THE NOT RELATIVE BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW IF YOU MEAN
THE 1990 LEVEL OF NOVA SCOTIA OR AROUND THE WORLD. WE NEED TO BE
CLEAR WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. HOW MUCH REDUCTION IS
THERE. I WAS ACTUALLY UNSURE IF YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW NEXT
YORE THERE MUST BE THE MUSKRAT FALLS COMING ON-LINE AND THEN WE
ARE SAVING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, GREENHOUSE GAS, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? SO TO NOT GO ON TOO LONG, I
THINK THE BILL — I KNOW THE BILL WON’T CHANGE VERY MUCH AND,
QUITE FRANKLY, I DON’T THINK — YOU KNOW, I DON’T UNDERSTAND IT.
IT DOESN’T SAY ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THESE WONDERFUL
THINGS. WE HAVE TO SOLVE EVERYTHING HERE. BUT THERE IS
NOTHING CONCRETE IN IT. SO, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD, YES, PUT THIS
BILL IN PLACE, BUT LET’S WORK ON THE REAL SOLUTION. WE DO NEED
THE RESOLUTION. SO I MEAN, ONE IS, AT A MINIMUM, STATE AN END
TO ALTON GAS AND THE COAL MINING.
THIS WOULD SHOW AT LEAST THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO GETTING OUT OF
THE CARBON ECONOMY. THIS IMMEDIATE STEPS AND SCIENCE.
AND SECONDLY, WE NEED A NONPARTISAN WORKING GROUP THAT
HAMMERS OUT A SOLUTION. I THINK
IT CAN EXPLAIN HOW THESE LIMITS AND THE SIGNS AROUND THE WORLD
WILL HELP US NEAR NOVA SCOTIA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST CAME OUT OF A FEDERAL CAMPAIGN AND IT IS
FANTASTIC TO BE SEE — WE HAVE
FANTASTIC PEOPLE WITH IDEAS AND YET WE ARE LOCKED INTO AN OLD
AILING ECONOMY. WE CAN PRODUCE HERE SO MUCH ENERGY. I KNOW IN
GERMANY, THEY HAVE TO IN THE SUMMER TIME NOW TO SHUT OFF
THEIR WIND POWER STATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH ENERGY. BUT WE
COULD START PRODUCING HYDROGEN AND, YOU KNOW, THERE’S SO MANY
SOLUTIONS. SO I THINK IF WE CAN GET OVER THIS PARTISAN POLITICS
AND TRYING TO BUILD A TEAM WHICH REALLY HAMMERS OUT A REALLY
CONCRETE SOLUTIONS, I THINK WE CAN COME VERY FAR.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK I STOP HERE. The Chair: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION. Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION AND I WILL NOT TELL YOU THAT I READ THE IPCC REPORT
BECAUSE I’D LIE. BUT I SKIMMED IT. BUT I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW IF
YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ BOTH THE PROPOSED BILL AS WELL
AS THE EXISTING LEGISLATION OF EXAV YOU READ THE TWO OF THOSE.
The Chair: DOCTOR?
// I DID READ REFERENCES TO THE OLD BILL WHICH HAD MANY SPECIFIC
ITEMS IN THERE. I COULDN’T GET THROUGH. THAT BUT I KNOW THAT
THIS IS THE NEW ONE. IT’S ALL GENERAL AND THERE WERE IN THE
PRESENTATIONS BEFORE ALSO CALLED HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH DID HE
REACH. THERE WERE VERY CONCRETE THINGS IN THERE. AND I MEAN,
THIS NEW BILL DOESN’T EVEN HAVE ANY GOALS.
The Chair: Mr. JOHNS? // THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM
CHAIR. IF I COULD, IF YOU WOULDN’T MIND, THE EXPA BILL,
THE EXISTING ONE, IT’S NOT REALLY HEFTY. IT’S RELATIVELY
LIGHT AS WELL. HEFTY IN COMPARISON TO THIS. BUT IT’S
ONLY ABOUT 12 PAGES I THINK SO I’D BE VERY CURIOUS AS AN
EDUCATOR, AS A PROFESSOR, LET ME
KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. I’M MORE OF AN OPPONENT FOR THE
EXISTING STRUCTURE, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A CONSERVATIVE BILL BUT
BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A BETTER BILL FOR — TO FIGHT CLIMATE
CHANGE AND IT HAD TARGETS AND GOALS THAT ARE SET INTO IT, SO
I’D BE REALLY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, SO IF YOU
WOULDN’T MIND DOING THAT CAN WITH MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU AN
E-MAIL, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
The Chair: DOCTOR? // I WOULD HAPPILY DO THAT AND
IT’S WONDERFUL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY WE ARE GOING TOWARDS
A NONPARTISAN APPROACH. WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER AND WE HAVE TO
DO BETTER, WE KNOW THAT. SO, YEAH, I HAPPILY DO THIS AND WILL
CONTACT YOU. The Chair: THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. JESSICA GRIFFIN?
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CONSTRAINTS, THIS ENDS THE VIDEO BROADCASTED PORTION OF THE
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