Neighborhood Development Committee Meeting – June 19, 2019


>>WELCOME TO OUR JUNE 2019 DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY MEETING. SORRY WE’RE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE. AS ALWAYS WE BLAME THE ELEVATOR. GO AROUND AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ORGANIZATION OR DEPARTMENT YOU’RE REPRESENTING. DON’T BE SHY.>.>>WELCOME. BY THE DOOR.>>– NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.>>PAIGION WIDEMAN HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.>>–>>CITY MANAGERS OFFICE.>>COMMITTEE MEMBER.>>CHAIR.>>VOICE CHAIR.>>COMMITTEE MEMBER.>>CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE.>>COMMUNITY RELATIONS.>>THANK YOU. WELL, AGAIN THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. WE HAVE JUST ONE AGENDA ITEM. AS YOU ALL KNOW IN APRIL AND MAY MEETINGS WE HAVE DISCUSSED CHANGES AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO MINIMUM HOUSING CODES AND STANDARDS BASED ON REFERRAL BY THE MAYOR THIS. IS OUR THIRD DISCUSSION MEETING ON THE TOPIC. WE DID DISCUSS PROPOSED UPDATES. DISCUSS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE IS AN ACTION REQUESTED FROM THE STAFF DEPENDING ON HOW THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO ACT WITH. THAT WE RECOGNIZE CITY MANAGER JOY –>>THANK YOU, DR. HARLOW. AS YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THE MINIMUM HOUSING CODE. THAT COMPLETES THE REFERRAL IN THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME. I’M TOLD THERE MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL ONE ON SPECIAL PERMITTING. WE HAVEN’T RECEIVED IT YET. I SAY THE JULY MEETING WE MAY HAVE, WE HAVE AS NEEDED AT THE BOTTOM. WE MAY HAVE TO CANCEL AND REGROUP IN SEPTEMBER. YOU’RE ALL ON BREAK IN AUGUST. ON THE MINIMUM HOUSING CODE BASED ON THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND QUESTIONS YOU HAD WHICH WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER TODAY. WE’RE ABLE TO BRING YOU THIS ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR VOTE. AS A REMINDER WE ESTABLISHED A MULTI DISCIPLINARY TEAM. INCLUDING PAIGION WIDE MAN AND HER STAFF FROM HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. OUR CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE ANNA. OUR FIRE MARSHALL SITTING BEHIND US, DANA. LEGISLATIVE OFFICE. BUDGET AND STRATEGY, MARIE HARRIS.>>WILLIE RATCHFORD. WE CAN’T HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT WILLIE.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>AND MOST RECENTLY WE HAVE IN CONSULTATION WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I WANT TO INTRODUCE GIBBY HARRIS. BEAR WITH ME SHE IS AN ACCOMPLISHED HEALTH DIRECTOR. NAMED HEALTH DIRECTOR OF – DID –COUNTY IN 2017. SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOREMANNAGEING THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH PARTNERSHIPS, CLINICAL SERVICES AND CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICE. THE CASE MANAGE HER IN — COUNTY AND IN WAKE AS HEALTH DIRECTOR FOR TEN YEARS. WITH ANOTHER LEADERSHIP ROLLS IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PREVIOUS -P YEARS. A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND HAS RUN A RURAL HEALTH CLINIC BEFORE GETTING INTO PUBLIC HEALTH. SHE HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND TALK WITH. WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH HER. IT’S BEEN REALLY NICE. TODAY WE’RE ALSO, WE’RE PLEASED FOR HER TO JOIN US. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE. JANE AT THE END OF OUR TABLE HERE. SHE HAS BEEN PROMOTED. SHE IS NOW THE DIVISION MANAGE HER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT SERVICES. [ APPLAUSE ]>>CONGRATS.>>SO JANE HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 13 YEARS. I BELIEVE MOST WAS WITH HOUSING SERVICES. SHE BEGAN HER CAREER AS A INSPECTOR.>>I WANTED TO MENTION THE OBSERVATION THAT THE COUNTY IS AT THE TABLE WITH A CITY COMMITTEE WORKING AND TALKING TOGETHER. WE OFTEN ASK IN THE COMMITTEES, IN OUR MEETINGS HOW CAN WE GET COUNTY AND OTHER PORTIONS OF GOVERNMENT TO THE TABLE. I’M PLEASED TO SEE YOU HERE TODAY. I THINK THAT’S HOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WITH AS TO BE AT EACH OTHERS TABLES MOVING FORWARD. IN THE VEIN OF EFFICIENT SEE.>>THANK YOU FOR BEING LEAR.>>THANK YOU.>>PRO PAIGION WIDEMAN AND JANEL TAG TEAM THIS WITH GIBBY HARRIS.>>THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. WE, AGAIN WE HAVE THIS ONE ITEM.>> IF THAT’S OKAY WE WILL DIVE RIGHT IN. IN TERMS OF — WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, WE HAD A FEW OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS WHEN WE MET LAST TIME. WE COMPLETED THAT. COMPLETED AN ON-LINE SESSION. WE WANT TO SHARE THOSE RESULTS WITH YOU. LOOK AT DATA AND JUMP INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE NEXT STEP, THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS ARE. IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AGAIN WE DID BOTH IN-PERSON AND ON-LINE. WE HAD, YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL RESPONSES WE HAD THERE FOR THE WEBSITE 34. WE HAVE FOUR IN-PERSON SESSIONS. WE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED THOSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO GET AS MUCH PARTICIPATION YOU THIS THE CITY AS WE COULD. WE MARKETED THOSE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, NEWSLETTER AND WORD OF MOUTH. WE REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIT THE TARGET AUDIENCES SUCH AS THE GREATER APARTMENT ASSOCIATION PARTICULARLY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCACY GROUPS, REALTORS ASSOCIATION THE SEE THE LIST THERE FOR YOU.>>AS SAID HERE PREVIOUSLY THE TOTAL IS 97 RESPONSES. YOU CAN SEE THE CATEGORIES, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, LANDLORDS, TENANT AND PROPERTY ASSOCIATION. OTHERS WERE RESIDENTS AND OTHERS INTERESTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY NOT NECESSARILY AN A FISH KWRAEUGS WE POINTED TO. INTERESTING RESULTS. FEW WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE. I GUESS THAT’S A GOOD THING. YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO WERE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR. LIMITED TO NO FAMILIARITY AT ALL. THOSE WHO WERE VERY FAMILIAR HAD HAVE TO INTERACT WITH CODE. LET ME TAKE THAT BACK. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THERE IN TERMS OF WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. THROUGHOUT WE TRY TO CATEGORIZE THE THEMES WE HEARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. THERE WAS A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO THOUGHT THAT CIVIL PENALTIES, CURRENT CIVIL PENALTIES ARE TOO HIGH. THERE WERE FOLKS WHO THOUGHT IF WE HAD HIGHER CIVIL PENALTIES THAT THIS WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE CONSIDERED NATURAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT HARSHER PENALTIES ARE NEEDED FOR FOLKS THAT ARE CHRONIC OFFENDERS AND HAVE INTERACTIONS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. ABSENT SEE LANDLORDS AND SLUMLORDS THEY DIDN’T FEEL THEY WERE ADDRESSED AT ALL. SO, THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THAT WE SHARED WITH YOU LAST TIME. IN TERMS OF THEMES RELATED TO THE PROCESS SOME FELT WE SHOULD ENFORCE ONLY LIFE SAFETY ISSUES. THE 48 HOUR VIOLATIONS WE HAVE REFERRED TO THAT OUR PROCESS TAKES TOO LONG IN SOME CASES. THAT ADDITIONAL TIME NEEDS TO BE GRANTED FOR FOLKS TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE. THAT WE SHOULD USE — MORE FREQUENTLY. YOU WILL SEE DATA LATER ON ABOUT THE FREQUENTLY WE HAVE USED. OUR GOAL IS TO THIS IS THE LAST RESORT THAT WE REALLY SEEK TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO BRING THEIR PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE. WHERE WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT, THAT IS WHEN WE REPRESENT INRIMS TO YOU ALL ONCE A MONTH. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT NOW. FOLKS SUPPORTED THE MULTI-FAMILY INSPECTION PROGRAM. THE PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY INSPECTION PROGRAM. WE HAVE LOTS OF ABSENTEE LANDLORDS IN THE CITY. THERE WAS THOUGHT OF REQUIREMENT OF LANDLORD CONTACT PRIOR TO CODE INSPECTION. WE DO, DO THAT CURRENTLY. THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COURT PROCESS IS NOT, NOT READILY ADEQUATE AS IT IS TODAY. THEN AS IT RELATES TO THEMES FROM TENANTS. PREOCCUPANCY INSPECTIONS ARE EXPECTED. BEFORE A TENANT MOVES INTO A UNIT THERE SHOULD BE INSPECTION PRIOR TO MOVING IN. PROs AND CONs. PROVIDE TENANTS WITH TENANT RIGHTS. MINIMUM STANDARDS SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE. REQUIRING TENANTS TO PROVIDE EVID A LANDLORD HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF A ISSUE BEFORE A CALL IS MADE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE KNOW SOMETIMES TENANTS CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT PRIOR TO WORKING THE ISSUE THROUGH WITH THE LANDLORD. THEN OFTEN WHAT WE SEE IN THE FIELD WHEN WE GO OUT TO PROVIDE FOR ASSESS A SITUATION OR TO PROVIDE REPAIRS THAT IT’S HARD. TENANTS DONTA LOU US TO ACCESS THE UNIT FOR VARIOUS REASONS. MOLD IS A BIG CONCERN AROUND THIS TABLE. TENANT FOLKS BELIEVE MOLD SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. I WON’T GET INTO THAT NOW. I WILL LET THE EXPERT GABBIE GET INTO THAT AND JANE TALK MORE. THIS WERE THEMES AROUND AIR CONDITIONING. I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE THIS FOR YOU. THINKING A COUPLE OF TRAINS OF THOUGHTS. INOPERABLE AIR THIS IS SUMMER TIME OUGHT TO BE ADD TODAY 48-HOUR VIOLATION. IT’S NOT CURRENTLY. THEN THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF OLDER AIR CONDITIONING UNITS. OLDER AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WON’T WORK LIKE A NEW AIR CONDITIONING UNIT. HOW COLD IS TOO COLD, WHAT IS ADEQUATE. THE THOUGHT OF ADDING 48-HOUR VIOLATIONS IS AROUND ELDERLY AND POPULATIONS WITH RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS.>>REALLY QUICK.>>ON THE AIR CONDITIONING I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT. THAT I AGREE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING INOPERABLE IT SHOULD BE 48 HOUR REMEDY. WE KNOW PEOPLE CAN DIE FROM HEAT. AS FAR AS WHAT CONSTITUTES WORKING BEYOND POWERING ON AND OFF, HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT WORKING MEANS?>>I THINK IT’S, IT’S SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE. MIKE JENKINS IS OUR EXPERT, OR JANE MAY KNOW. THAT.>>MORRIS JENKINS — [LAUGHING]>> HE’S A EXPERT, I’M TOLD.>>YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON, THAT JANE.>>WHEN WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF HOW COLD IS COLD ENOUGH AND THOSE TYPES OF THUPGZ. I DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE FULLY VETTED THE ANSWER YET. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT THE AIR COOLER THEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE UNIT. THERE IS A DISCUSSION ON THE THRESHOLD PUT ON THAT. WHEN WE GET INTO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.>>NO AIR CONDITIONING UNIT GETS IT AS COLD AS I WANT IT TO BE. IT MIGHT BE IN THE EYE OF THE BE HOLDER. IT DOES TURN ON AND IT’S COLDER THAN THE ROOM AIR COMING OUT OF IT I MAY ARGUE IT’S NOT COLD ENOUGH AND PAIGION MAY THINK IT’S PLANTY COLD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS SPECIFICITIES ON THESE.>>AND A FOLLOW-UP.>>THE GUY THAT SERVICES OUR EQUIPMENT SAYS IF THE AIR IS TO° COLDER WHEN IT COMES OUT THEN WHEN IT WENT IN, THAT’S A FUNCTIONING UNIT. AS THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE GOES DOWN THAT GAP GOES DOWN. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER INSISTING ON THAT STANDARD, IT BRINGS IT WITH IT A LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE AND COST OF MAINTENANCE THAT IS BEYOND WHAT IS NECESSARY TO INSURE THE SAFETY AND COMFORT OF TENANTS.>>SURE.>>OKAY. THIS JUST TO COMPLETE THIS PORTION OF THIS. THERE WERE THOUGHTS THAT ROACH INFESTATION IN ONE BUILDING SHOULD WARRANT TREATMENT OF A ENTIRE BUILDING OR ONE UNIT SHOULD WARRANT TREATMENT OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING. LASTLY WHAT IS REALLY NEW SINCE WE TALKED THE LAST TIME. WE HAD A SEPARATE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSION AT THE REQUEST OF THE GREATER CHARLOTTE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. WE MET WITH MS. GRAHAM AND MEMBERS OF THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION ON JUNE 10th. WE REALLY JUST SPENT TIME WALKING, WALKING THROUGH WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE WITH THEM. THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE. A PRODUCTIVE MEETING. WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND CLARIFY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD. THAT WAS WITH THREE MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION. WHAT THEY REQUESTED. I THINK YOU RECEIVED A LETTER, THEY — WHATEVER ACTION YOU DECIDE TO DO TODAY TO HAVE MORE TIME TO REALLY DIVE DEEPER INTO AND SHARE WITH THE BROADER MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE. SO, REALLY WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AGAIN THANK THEM FOR THEIR COOPERATION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HEARD OVER ALL IS FROM THEM IS THAT THEY DON’T WANT TO BE PENALIZED FOR A FEW BAD ACTORS THAT MOST OF THEIR PROPERTIES, THEY WORK WELL TO NEVER HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH CODE EN FORESMEN ENFORCEMENT. THERE ARE SMALLER SUNG WILL FAMILY OWNERS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO RUN THIS BY. THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE’RE DOING IN THE NAME OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, STRICTER PENALTIES AND STRICTER ORDINANCE WE DON’T WANT THAT TO CONTRADICT WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT WRAPS UP THE PORTION OF COMMUNITY ENGAGE HADN’T. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JANE TO DIVE INTO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.>>I WILL TALK ABOUT A DATA REVIEW WE DID. WITH WE DID A THREE-YEAR LOOK BACK AT CASES. WE WANTED TO SEE MULTI FAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. OUR HOUSING CODES APPLY TO BOTH. WE FOUND ABOUT HA % OF CASES ARE MULTI FAMILY UNITS. WE ALSO FOUND WHEN WE LOOKED AT ESCALATING PENALTIES SUCH AS CIVIL PENALTIES AND CASES BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR DEMOLITION AND CASES TAKEN TO E-COURT COMPROMISE ABOUT THEE PERCENT OF OUR CASES. IN 97% OF THE CASES WE HAVE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE FROM OUR CITIZENS. AS FAR AS DEMOLITIONS GO YOU CAN SEE LOOKING BACK TO TO 16 TO NOW WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT STKE CREASE IN THE DEMOLITIONS BEFORE COUNCIL. SO WE’RE DOWN TO 1% OF THE CASES RESULT IN THE CITY DEMOLISHING A PROPERTY. WE WANTED TO YOU KNOW POINT THAT OUT AND LET YOU KNOW WE’RE DOING ALL WE CAN TO INSURE THAT WE’RE PRESERVING HOUSES. THAT’S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. ONLY A FEW ARE COMING BEFORE YOU FOR ACTION.>>JUST UNDERSTAND THE STATISTICS. TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS RECEIVED OR INCIDENTS WHERE YOU DOCUMENTED A NEED FOR WORK?>>THIS IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS RECEIVED. SO THEY REQUIRE SOME KIND OF ACTION. IT COULD RESULT IN WE GO OUT AND CONDUCT AN INSPECTION AND BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE OR IT COULD BE THAT WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM A TENANT AND THEY RESENDED THEIR REQUEST.>>THANK YOU.>>MR. DRAKE.>>SO, ARE YOU MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE INSTANCES YOU RECEIVED A CALL AND WENT OUT AND THE INSPECTOR DIDN’T FIND A VIOLATION AT ALL OR A CAUSE FOR ACTION. DOES THAT HAPPEN.>>IT DOES HAPPEN. IT HAPPENS VERY INFREQUENTLY.>>IT’S RARE?>>VERY RARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE NUMBERS I AM HAPPY TO PULL THEM FOR YOU.>>THE NEXT PIECE WE GET INTO IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROCESS ENHANCEMENTS. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE ANY ORDINANCE REVISIONS. THIS IS STUFF WE CAN HANDLE INTERNALLY. THE FIRST THING WE TALKED ABOUT IS MULTI FAMILY INSPECTION PROGRAM. THIS MEANS THAT CURRENTLY IT’S DISCRETIONARY. IF WE GO TO A SPECIFICALLY A MULTI FAMILY COMPLEX AND IDENTIFY ISSUES, WE CREATE FIELD OBSERVATIONS ON THE UNITS. IF THERE ISN’T NIGON THE EXTERIOR THAT GRABS OUR ATTENTION WE PROBABLY JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS, TAKE CARE OF THE ONE, TWO, THREE CASES. WHATEVER WE HAVE OUT THERE AND MONTH FORWARD. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR, IF A NUMBER OF SPECIFIED UNITS WERE IDENTIFIED ON A SPECIFIC MULTI FAMILY PARCEL THAT WOULD TRIGGER US TO DO A MORE ENHANCED INSPECTION PROCESS AT THAT PROPERTY. SO, FOR EXAMPLE IF WE WENT OUT TO A PROPERTY AND WE HAVE A BUILDING OF 25 UNITS AND LET’S SAY WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE OR SIX COMPLAINTS FROM THE UNIT THIS PROGRAM WOULD POTENTIALLY GIVE US A RED FLAG THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO THE BUILDING. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE’RE CONTINUING TO GET COMPLAINTS AND NOT, MAYBE EVEN NOT COMPLIANCE FROM THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER. THAT’S OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION. OUR NEXT RECOMMENDATION FROM A PROCESS STAND POINT IS PROVIDE TENANT RIGHTS INFORMATION THIS. WOULD BE A COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU RENT THE TENANTS KNOW THEIR RIGHTS. POTENTIALLY COMMUNITY RELATIONS PROVIDING A TYPE OF TRAINING. I THINK THEY ALREADY DO, TO CONTINUE WITH THAT. WE WOULD UPDATE OUR WEBSITE. WE MAKE SURE OUR WEBSITE, THE COUNTY WEBSITE COULD BE A COLLABORATION WHERE CITIZENS CAN GET INFORMATION. THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO. THEY KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHO IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A PARTICULAR PROCESS. FOR EXAMPLE MOLD IS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE TO SHOW THIS PATTERN. ON THE COUNTY’S WEBSITE IT WILL REFER A CITIZEN TO CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT IF THEY FEEL THEY HAVE A MOLD ISSUE. AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WE DON’T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS MODE. WE ADDRESS THE FACTORS. WATER INTRUSION, VENTILATION, THOSE THINGS. TIMES IT FEELS LIKE THE CITIZEN IS HAVING A CIRCULAR CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY AND CITY WEBSITE. THE CITIZENS HAVE BETTER ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THEY NEED.>>IF, IF SHARING OF INFORMATION EFFECTIVELY IS IMPORTANT THEN I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP FURTHER BEYOND PUTTING THINGS ON WEB SITES. I THINK WE HAVE A STUDIO DOWNSTAIRS. WE HAVE A PRODUCTION STAFF. IF WE CAN MAKE CONTENT THAT IS EASILY DIGESTIBLE BY 30 SECONDS, THAT WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT CHANNEL WE CAN PUSH CONTENT OUT WITH. I THINK WE NEED TO GO, THIS IS GENERALLY SPEAKING, SPECIFICALLY FOR INFORMATION LIKE THIS. STUFF THAT WE CAN PUT OUT OVER DIFFERENT FORMS OF MEDIA. WE CAN MAKE THIS IN HOUSE I THINK, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND A WEBSITE.>>SURE.>>AGREED I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE, IF WE CAN GIVE YOU KNOW QUICK INFORMATION TO HELP THE COMMUNITY BE EDUCATED AND DOESN’T BOB THEM DOWN WITH THE DETAILS THAT HELPS. I AGREE WITH THAT.>>SORRY.>>YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO DID WE TALK ABOUT MOLD SPECIFICALLY? YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW WE ONLY ADDRESSED THE. THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REPORT BACK REGARDING OUR LEGAL LIMITATIONS.>>I THINK, YOU WEREN’T HERE FOR THE INTRODUCTIONS. THE COUNTY HEALTH DIRECT IS HERE. IF WE CAN GET THROUGH JANE AND GET TO HER PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.>>I JUMPED AHEAD FOR THE NEXT SLIDE. AS I SAID WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THE CAUSAL FACTORS. THAT INFORMATION FOR THE CITY WEBSITE, TO MR. WINSTON’S POINT, QUICK TIPS. WE ALREADY HAVE A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER. WE SEND A CODE ENFORCEMENT TIP OUT EVERY MONTH TO CITIZENS. WE CAN TWEAK THAT MORE TO THE HOUSING PROCESS. I THINK AT THIS POINT I WANT TO TURN IT OVER AT THIS POINT.>>THANK YOU. AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THIS. MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE MOLD ISSUE IN PARTICULAR IS THAT THIS IS NO ONE ENTITY ABLE TO FIX THIS. IT HAS TO BE A JOINT EFFORT. IT SURROUNDS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. THAT MAY REQUIRE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. WE DO, I WILL GIVE YOU SORT OF A HIGH LEVEL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH 101 THAT WILL HELP YOU SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS AROUND THESE THINGS. SO, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF, WE HAVE GENERAL STATUTES FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. EXTENSIVE GENERAL STATUTES FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL. THERE IS A SPECIFIC STATUTE SPELLING OUT THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS. THE REASON THAT’S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IN THIS STATE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS ARE FUNDED AND ARE COUNTY EMPLOYEES FUNDED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. THEY’RE AGENTS OF THE STATE. RIGHT. THERE IS EXTENSIVE TRAINING THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR FOR SOMEONE NOT REGISTERED WITH THE STATE TO GET THEM STRAINED AND READY TO W-RBG IN THE FIELD. ALMOST A YEAR. THEN THEY’RE AUTHORIZED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA DIVISION OF PUBLIC HEALTH. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE WE’RE BOUND BY BOTH THE STATUTES AND NORTH CAROLINA ADMINISTRATION CODE. WHICH IS DETERMINED, THOSE RULES ARE DETERMINED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. WE HAVE LOTS OF CONSTRAINTS, RIGHT. A LOT OF THINGS THAT TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN NOT DO. UNFORTUNATELY THERE CONTINUE TO BE GAPS IN THE CONSTRAINTS. SO, ON THE NEXT SLIDE THIS GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE THINGS THAT AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST CAN BE CERTIFIED FOR. RIGHT. EACH ONE OF THESE IS SEPARATE CERTIFICATION. SO, SOMEONE MIGHT BE CERTIFIED FOR FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS BUT NOT FOR POOLS. OR MIGHT BE CERTIFIED FOR SUMMER CAMPS BUT NOT FOR TATTOO PARLORS. THEY HAVE TO, THERE IS TRAINING, EDUCATION, AND TESTING THEY GO THROUGH FOR EACH ONE OF THESE. WE USE OUR STAFF INTERCHANGEABLY. WHEN WE GET TO POOL SEASON IT’S ALMOST ALL HANDS ON DECK TO GET THE POLZ OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY. — POOLS OPEN BY MEMORIAL DAY. SO WE PULL THEM FROM OTHER INSPECTIONS THEY MAY BE DOING.>>I AM SEEING THESE THINGS. WHERE — WOULD HOMES BE LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS?>>YES, THAT IS, THAT IS WHERE WE RUN INTO CHALLENGES. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CERTIFIED, REQUIRED, OR AUTHORIZED TO INSPECT HOMES. THE NEXT PAGE GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. THERE WAS A QUESTION. OUR STAFF OUR AUTHORIZED TO INSPECT COMMERCIAL FACILITIES AS DEFINED BY THIS STATUTE AS WELL AS THE NORTH CAROLINA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. THE WAY THAT’S DEFINED IS THOSE FACILITIES ARE FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE LODGING THAT PEOPLE PAY FOR, FOR A WEEK OR LESS. RIGHT. SO, WE, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT MULTI HOUSING WE’RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO GO IN AND INSPECT OR TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC THINGS OF THOSE FACILITIES. NOWHERE ARE WE AUTHORIZED TO TO DO THAT IN PRIVATE HOMES.>>DOES THE, DOES THE PRESENCE OF — I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN. AIR BNB, DOES THAT THROW?>>AIR BNB HAVEN’T BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE RULES SO FAR. THIS ARE SPECIFIC RULES AROUND BED AND BREAKFASTS THAT REQUIRE INSPECTIONS WITH THEM. AIR BNB, VBROs THOSE SITUATIONS ARE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUAL FAMILY HOMES. AT THIS POINT WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. THERE IS THE TERM “AUTHORIZED” TO INSPECT AND OR MAKE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.>>COMMISSIONER.>>IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MAYBE SOMETHING TO PURSUE THROUGH A AGENDA ITEM. HAVING SAID THAT IS THIS ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS US HAVING AN EMPLOYEE AUTHORIZED OR CERTIFIED.>>AGAIN AS AGENTS OF THE STATE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THAT AUTHORITY. THE ONE THING THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT IS COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.>>ON THE COUNTY SIDE.>>ON THE COUNTY SIDE. AN EXAMPLE IS LAST NIGHT WE REVISED OUR RABIESES ORDINANCE. THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT ALLOW US TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER THEN WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS US TO DO. SO COUNTY ORDINANCES PROVIDE US WITH A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY. THE OTHER ISSUE, I WILL RAISE, THIS IS NOT USED OFTEN IN PUBLIC HEALTH IS THE ISSUE OF ABATEMENT. EMNET HAZARDS. IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE COMMUNITY AND THAT DEFINED AS MORE THAN A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD, IS PUT AT RISK FOR A EMINENT HAZARD THEN I HAVE THE ABILITY AS THE LOCAL HEALTH DIRECTOR TO REQUIRE ACTION. THAT TYPICALLY MEANS WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT. SO WE GO OUT AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WE HAVE JUST CONSIDERED THAT RECENTLY. I WILL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT MEANS. WE HAD A POOL AT A PRIVATE HOME THAT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A FENCE UP, DID NOT HAVE A FENCE UP, CONTINUED TO COME UP WITH REASONS NOT TO HAVE A FENCE UP. THIS IS A POOL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ANYONE CAN WALK IN, FALL. IN THAT’S A EMINENT HAZARD. SO WE SORT OF TRIED TO WORK WITH THE FAMILY. TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM AND HAD SOME ISSUES. WENT AHEAD AND PUSHED THAT OUT. THEY NOW HAVE A FENCE UP. THE OPTION WAS FOR ME TO GO UP AND DRAIN THAT POOL. WE WERE READY TO DO THAT IF THEY DIDN’T GET THE FENCE UP WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THAT’S AN EXAMPLE OF A EMINENT HAZARD. IF YOU’RE LOOKING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX I DID IMPLEMENT THAT ONCE IN MY CAREER. WE HAD OPEN RAW FLOWING SEWAGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAD TO BE FIXED QUICKLY. RATHER THAN MESS WITH THE LANDLORD WHO WAS PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK WE WENT AHEAD AND FIX THAD SITUATION. THAT WAS A SITUATION THAT ENDANGERED EVERYONE IN CONTACT WITH IT. WE HAVE THAT ABILITY BUT IT’S VERY LIMITED. IT DOESN’T HAPPEN OFTEN.>>SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHAT YOU’RE SAYING SUGGESTS TO ME THAT IN ANY CASE IT WOULDN’T BE THE CITY, IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE THINGS YOU DO ALREADY. I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO TRY AND PUSH BACK AGAINST THE REGULATIONS AND ESTABLISH A WHOLE NEW CAPACITY WHEN YOU’RE SO CLOSE IN TERMS OF THE THINGS YOU ALREADY DO. I’M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY THE RESIDENTS ARE EXCLUDED. IS THIS A PARTICULAR REASON THEY’RE EXCLUDED THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO CHALLENGE IT?>>IF YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT MOLD THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS.>>YES.>>NUMBER ONE, NO NATIONAL ORGANIZATION HAS ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES WHEN MOLD IS A HEALTH ISSUE. CDC HAS NOT DONE. THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HAS NOT DONE THAT. THERE IS MOLD IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW. THERE IS MOLD EVERYWHERE UNFORTUNATELY. IT’S JUST WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL THAT IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. NOBODY HAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED THAT LEVEL. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOLD. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE CDC –>>IF I CAN COMMENT ON THAT TO THE PUBLIC THAT SOUNDS LIKE BUREAUCRATIC DOUBLE SPEAK.>>I KNOW IT DOES.>>THAT’S NOT A REASON. THAT IS A –>>WELL –>>– YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING, RIGHT?>>I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. THE CHALLENGE FOR US AS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIFICKIST WE DON’T HAVE GUIDANCE. WE GO INTO A HOME AND SAY THIS CREATES A ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH HAS AR AND THIS DOES NOT. IT’S SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE GUIDELINES. I’M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN’T BE CREATED BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON’T HAVE THEM. THAT’S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I DON’T HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY FOR THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO. THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT Y’ALL GO INTO DAY IN AND DAY OUT. THE GROWTH IN THIS COMMUNITY IS VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH. PLUS WE STRUGGLE TO HIRE THESE FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE TRAINING THAT IS REQUIRED AND THE LENGTH OF TIME. WE’RE WORKING ON THAT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO TRY TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A STREAMLINED APPROACH. BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE AND RESOURCE THAT’S WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE STARTED DEAL WITH MOLD IN EVERY HOUSE OR APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAS A ISSUE IN THE COUNTY I’M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. THE THIRD THING FOR US IS WE CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE STAFF WHO ARE SPECIFIC TRAINED IN MOLD. THAT WOULD BE THE CAPACITY IS NOT THIS, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. THE FOURTH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS YOU HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. OUR ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY AND CAPACITY IS VERY, VERY LIMITED. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I SAID THIS EARLIER, HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO BUILD OUT A WHOLE OTHER ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM WITH ONE IN PLACE. HOW DO WE FIGURE THAT OUT. AS, AS WE TRY TO MOVE FORWARD ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.>>FOR ONE – – I’M NOT CRITICIZING YOUR DEPARTMENT AT ALL. THE SITUATION YOU JUST DESCRIBED FROM A POLICY STAND POINT IS KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM RELATED TO MOLD THE, THE KIND OF SUGGESTION THAT WE STKOEPT HAVE THE RESOURCES — DON’T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO RESPOND TO IT. LIKE WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH FIRE TRUCKS TO PUT FIRES OUT. WE NEED A CAUSAL THING. I WOULD MENTION THAT THE COUNTY DOES INSPECT BUILDINGS. WE ALL INSIST ON SAFETY STANDARDS FOR ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE FOR THE PROTECTION OF OCCUPANTS. IT DOESN’T SEEM TO ME TO BE A BIG STRETCH TO SET A STANDARD, I’M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU I’M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN IN OUR CONVERSATION.>>I UNDERSTAND.>>THE REASON I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE REASONS WHY IT ISN’T IS BECAUSE IF WE DID WANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND ESTABLISH AS A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN COOPERATE ON. DO YOU THINK IT’S A PRACTICAL MATTER A LACK OF STANDARDS AND RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS WOULD MAKE THAT A WASTE OF TIME.>>AS THE HEALTH DIRECTOR IN THE COUNTY IT’S A ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LITTLE IN SUB STANDARD HOUSING SITUATIONS. IT’S NOT RIGHT. FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH, MORAL, WHATEVER STANCE YOU WANT TO TAKE AROUND THAT. THAT’S WHY I’M SITTING AT THIS TABLE. I GET MY RESOURCES FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER. THAT IS, FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT IN SOME WAYS IS POF MY PAY RAISE. I DO THINK, AGAIN, I RESTATE THIS. THIS IS NOT A ISSUE THE CITY CAN DEAL WITH ON THEIR OWN. I DON’T THINK THE COUNTY CAN DEAL WITH ON THEIR OWN. IT’S NOT A ISSUE WE CAN DEAL WITH, WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE ENTITIES THAT WORK WITH APARTMENT PLEXES, WITH HOUSING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE AT THE TABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTION FOR THIS. YOU KNOW THE, I AM BEING SOMEWHAT PROTECTIVE OF MY STAFF BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO PUT THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY’RE HAVING TO MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS OVER WHETHER SOMETHING IS BAD ENOUGH OR NOT. I, THEY IMMEDIATE TO HAVE TRAINING. THEY NEED TO HAVE THE STANDARDS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE IMPLEMENT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AS WELL. WE DON’T, YOU KNOW IT’S NOT THAT WE DON’T LIKE THIS PLACE DOWN THE STREET, WE WILL SHUT THEM DOWN. WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT TELL US WHAT SOMEONE IS NOT COMPLIANT AND WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING IT UP. THE OTHER PIECE WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY THAT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING AT TIMES. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES DEALING WITH THE BUILDINGS. THERE IS LOUISSA WHO DEALS WITH PLANS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AROUND BUILDING STRUCTURES. THEN THERE IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT DEALS WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY SIDE OF THINGS. AS A EXAMPLE AGAIN LOOKING AT POOLS, LOUISA APPROVES THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF POOLS. WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS OF POOLS AND WE WORK TOGETHER ON THAT AS WELL. SOME OF THAT JOINT WORK HAS TO TAKE PLACE.>>THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.>>NOW YOU KNOW WHY WE ASKED YOU TO BE HERE. THE MOLD THING –>>IT’S TOUGH TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND. I’M NOT SURE ANYONE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF THIS IN THE COUNTRY. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS ABOUT THE WORK THEY’RE DOING. THOSE THAT SEEM TO BE MAKING PROGRESS IT’S CITY AND COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER. I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL IF WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE A IMPACT.>>– HAS SOMETHING AND STAFF HAS SOME PERSPECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS. LET’S GET TO YOU AND THEN MATT.>>SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, CHILD CARE CENTERS, HOSPITALS I HAVE TO BELIEVE THERE IS SOME POINT IN TIME THERE IS MOLD AND IN THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE THERE IS A HEALTH RISK IN THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.>>TYPICALLY IN THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC ANY MOLD IS NOT GOOD. YOU KNOW, WE SEE ANY MOLD THAT IS SOMETHING –>>THERE HAS TO BE SOME MOLD AS WE DETERMINED. THEY’RE NOT STERILE ENVIRONMENTS.>>THEY’RE NOT STERILE ENVIRONMENTS. IF WE SEE EVIDENCE OF MOLD, WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT OF EVIDENCE ON THE WALL OR IN A, IN ANY SITUATION THEN THAT IS SOMETHING WE EXPECT THEM TO FIX. THAT GOES BACK TO, LIKE I SAID MOLD IS EVERYWHERE. YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE CAUSAL AFFECTS. YOU CAN GET RID OF THE MOLD. IF YOU DON’T FIX THE DAMP THAT CAUSE IT DID IN THE FIRST PLACE IT WILL COME BACK -RPLT.>>SOY HEAR WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT STAFF. WE DEAL WITH THE SAME CON STRAEUBGTS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH THIS ESPECIALLY FOR MULTI FAMILY CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF THE STRESSES WE WERE HAVING. YOU THINK WE’RE ALL SENSITIVE TO THAT. YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THERE IS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE COUNTY ORDINANCE TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS. I WONDER IF IN LIEU OF THAT, I ASKED THIS LAST COMMITTEE MEETING, IN THE INTEREST OF NOT CREATING A WHOLE OTHER COUNTY ENFORCEMENT ARM, IS THERE SPACE IN HERE TO CREATE A MOU BETWEEN CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SAY HEY, WE CAN DO THE ENFORCEMENT PART. IF WE SEE SOME TYPE OF WHAT WE THINK IS EVIDENCE OR A REASON TO BRING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN TO HELP US ASSESS THE SITUATION, WE CONTINUE TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT PART AND WE CREATE SOME TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP THAT WAY. AGAIN IN LIEU OF ORDINANCE CHANGES AND CREATION OF –>>I THINK THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR. THAT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN BASICALLY HEALTH DEPARTMENT MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS NOT YOU T NEEDED TO BE DONE. FROM WHAT WE SEE IN THIS SITUATION THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. SO, YOU KNOW THERE IS PROBABLY SOME ROOM FOR. TTHAT WITHIN THECONSTRAINTS AND. HAVE.>>I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ALSO WERE THERE AROUND TALKING ABOUT CONCERNS BROUGHT UP AROUND INFESTATIONS AND PESTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WERE THINGS I GUESS DISCUSSION OR CONFUSION ON WHAT IS A VIOLATION OF OUR STANDARDS OR NOT. COULD THIS POTENTIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY AND COUNTY EXTEND TO ALL OF THE ABOVE ISSUES TO SAY IT’S NOT JUST MOLD WE’RE LOOKING AT, WE’RE LOOKING AT THE OVER ALL HEALTH SITUATION.>>I — I WILL TENTATIVELY SAY YES. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ALL THAT INCLUDED AND GET CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE ALREADY DO SOME WORK AROUND RATS, INFESTATION. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS EVEN IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AROUND. THAT WE DON’T, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WE DON’T NECESSARILY FIX IT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FIX, DEPENDING THE RAT IT IS. THAT’S HOW SP-FBG THE RULES ARE. YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HAVE STAFF, WE GET COMPLAINTS AND WE GO IN AND LOOK. WE HELP THEM FIGURE OUT THE SITUATION AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. I THINK THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF. THAT WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE STRUCTURE. I DON’T WANT TO PROMISE SOMETHING WE CAN’T –>>YES.>>– CAN’T FOLLOW THROUGH ON.>>NO PROMISES.>>DEFINITE HEE WILLING TO BE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK TOGETHER.>>THANK YOU.>>IF I MIGHT, I SHARE THE SENTIMENT FOR MORE COLLABORATION. ALSO TO NOT MAKE PROMISES WE CAN’T DELIVER ON. AS I HEAR THE CONVERSATION I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR COLLABORATION, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND. WE DO VARIOUS RESIDENT TRAININGS THROUGHOUT CITY. MAYBE THERE ARE TRAININGS WE CAN INCORPORATE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AGAIN. I’M SURE YOU GET THIS, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM THEY’RE TRAINED TO EN FOR THE CODE AND BUILDING CODE. THEY DON’T HAVE THE CERTIFICATIONS OR TRAININGS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE TOO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON THE CURRENT CODE STAFF. WE HAVE THAT IN TWO OR THEE YEARS, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A STAFFING ISSUE AS THE COUNTY GROWS TOO. I WOULD REMIND US OUR CURRENT CODE STAFF DON’T HAVE THE SPECIFIC MOLD TRAINING. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT. THEN I GO BACK TO HELPING WHAT LEVEL OF MOLD IS TOO DANGEROUS OR DANGEROUS ENOUGH. AS WE THINK THROUGH STRENGTH AND COLLABORATION MAY LOOK LIKE WE CAN EVALUATE THOSE THINGS. AT A MINIMUM WE CAN WORK TO INCORPORATE TRAININGS FOR PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF.>>SORRY. WE CONTINUE TO BRING UP LAKE ARBOR. THERE WERE SITUATIONS IN THERE IT WAS OBVIOUS. I WALKED INTO THE APARTMENTS. YOU COULDN’T BREATH.>>SURE.>>AFTER STANDING IN THERE FOR A FEW SECONDS. SO WE DON’T HAVE, WE DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR OWN CODE VIOLATION. I DON’T CARE THE TRAINING YOU HAVE OR DON’T HAVE YOU KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE. WE DON’T HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO FIX IT, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE DOES. WE DIDN’T HAVE THE BULLET IN A HOLSTER.>>ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT PROPERTY. I HAVE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE DON’T REPEAT THAT AGAIN. AGAIN ANY STRENGTH IN TRAINING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY I THINK WILL HELP US AS WELL.>>I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TO TACKLE THIS TWO MONTHS AGO, MOLD WE WILL BE RESTRICTED ON WHAT WE CAN DO FROM A CITY STAND POINT. WE APPRECIATE THE COUNTY HERE TO GIVE US A SENSE AND BACKGROUND OF HOW WE’RE EXTRAORDINARILY LIMITED. I THINK THERE HAS TO BE ON-GOING CONVERSATION. NOT JUST ON OUR END IN THIS BUILDING BUT FURTHER WITH FRIENDS AND PARTNERS IN RALEIGH ON HOW EVEN IF IT’S SOMETHING. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN IF IT’S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO LOCALLY THAT’S A QUESTION TO ASK AROUND LOCAL ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT THE STATE MAY HAVE TO GRANT US FOR. MY QUESTION IS I KNOW WE HAVE TWO OR THREE MORE SLIDES, YOU MENTIONED THE COUNTY HAS A POSSIBILITY TO CHANGE SOMETHING IN THEIR ORDINANCE. I DON’T KNOW IF ANNA CAN ANSWER THIS OR MS. WIDEMAN, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO STEP IN WHEN THERE IS A EMINENT HOUSING SITUATION. AT LAKE ARBOR WE SAW THAT EMINENT SITUATION, IT STILL IS IN CERTAIN SCENARIOS. IT’S LIKE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN STEP IN WHEN THEY DEEM IT EMINENT. I SEE THE NEXTIBILITY THERE. DO WE SEE THAT AS A PREVIEW ON OUR END TO GIVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT?>>SO WE THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE AAN A NALOGOUS EMINENT HAZARD. THAT’S INTERPRETED AS THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE, NOT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH BUT PHYSICAL ISSUES. THE CASES, THIS ARE NOT MANY REPORTED CASES. THE CASES IN NORTH CAROLINA REFER TO PIECES OF A ROOF FALLING OFF AND HITTING PEOPLE WALKING BY ON THE SIDEWALK. OR YOU KNOW THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE THERE IS ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL HAZARD THAT IF IT’S NOT ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. GENERALLY SPEAKING WE’RE HAND STRUNG TO WHAT THE HOUSING CODE ALLOWS US TO DO. IT’S A EMINENT HOUSING –>>GOT IT I APPRECIATE THAT.>>COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU HAD –>>YES. I HAVE QUESTIONS HERE. I LET’S START WITH ANNA HERE, HAS THAT BEEN CHALLENGED? HAVE WE SEE THIS UNDER A EMINENT HAZARD ATTEMPT FOR A ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. YOU SAY INTERPRETED, I ASSUME INTERPRETED BY THE COURTS. HAS THAT COME UP IN FRONT OF THE COURTS STPHEURPLTS I’M NOT AWARE OF ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD CASES. THIS MAYBE COUNTY CASES OUT THERE. IT’S NOT SOMETHING I RESEARCHED. THERE IS A HANDFUL AND THEY ARE PHYSICAL HAZARDS.>>SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE GENERAL STATUTES?>>WELL, IT’S IN THE PLANNING AND REGULATION OF DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF 160A. AGAIN THAT — THAT COVERS BUILDING ISSUES NOT ENVIRONMENTAL. THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER STATUTE THAT MS. HARRIS ELUDED TO COVERING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. THAT’S NOT IN 160A.>>GIVE THE SEVERITY OF THE CONSEQUENCE WHAT’S MOLD CAN PRODUCE HERE. I WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THIS ISN’T A NEW BUILD OUT OF THE CURRENT SITUATION WE HAVE, AS MUCH AS SUPPLEMENTING TO INCLUDE ADDRESSING THIS HAZARD. I REALLY QUESTION HOW OFTEN A RESIDENT RECOGNIZES THE CAUSAL FACTORS EXISTING. OFTEN WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THIS, US ON OUR END, IT’S WHEN THE MOLD ALREADY EXISTS. THE QUESTION IS, IS IT TOO LATE AT THAT POINT AND OUR HANDS ARE TIED. I WAS WONDERING, SO OUTSIDE OF TRAINING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EVEN IF WE HAVE TRAINED PERSONNEL, WE DON’T HAVE A STANDARD THAT EXISTS FOR THEM TO APPLY TO SAY THIS IS WHEN IT HAS GONE TOO FAR AND WE WILL ELIMINATE IT. YOU MENTIONED NATIONAL STANDARDS. I ASSUME WHEN WE SAW THE SLIDE 15A, CITY ADMINISTRATIVE, 18A, THE SLIDE WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS OUTSIDE OF RESIDENTS WHERE MOLD EXISTS AND ADDRESSED. ARE THESE NATIONAL STANDARDS HERE.>>THESE ARE STANDARDS ADOPTED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.>>GOT YOU.>>SOME MAY OF BEEN BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS, SOME MAY BE CREATED AT THE STATE LEFT.>>IT’S NOT ALWAYS A NATIONAL STANDARD AT THE STATE LEVEL.>>NOT ALWAYS.>>I WONDER ON THE COUNTY LEVEL WOULD THERE BE A REPORT OR STUDY DONE MAYBE IN COLLABORATION WITH US. LOCAL STANDARDS ARE CREATED. THEN AGAIN MAYBE LOOKING AT THESE. WE HAVE A PREEXISTING TEMPLATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE. THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL WORTH EXPLORING YOU KNOW IN THIS CONVERSATION WITHIN ANY SORT OF COLLABORATION EFFORT BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY MOVING FORWARD.>>I THINK IT WILL, THERE IS PROBABLY EXPERTISE AT THE SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT CONVERSATION.>>WE HAVE THE STANDARD, RIGHT. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A NATIONAL ONE I WOULD ASSUME.>>IT DOES NOT.>>MR. DRIGGS.>>I WOULD BE LEARY ABOUT BYPASSING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WE OUGHT TO TALK TO THEM. IF THERE IS A LIF LIST OF THINGS WE’RE AUGUST RICED TO DO. IF WE INCUR A COST OF CHALLENGING THAT, WE SHOULDN’T IMAGINE WE CAN PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OUT WITHOUT A PUSH BACK OR INCUR A REACTION FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE WE MONITOR THESE THINGS AND SEEK VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. YOU MENTIONED THE FACT A LOT OF THINGS ARE RECTIFIED. IS THIS ANY UP SIDE TO HAVING AN ABILITY TO RECOGNIZING A BAD SITUATION AND GOING TO THE OWNERS AND SAYING THIS IS A HEALTH PROBLEM HERE OR WILL THEY IGNORE US IF WE’RE NOT BACKED BY A ORDINANCE THAT WOULD COST THEM MONEY?>>I WOULD SAY FIRST AND FOR MOST IF THERE IS NOT A ORDINANCE FOR THEM COMPLYING, THE CHANCE IS SLIM.>>SAD COMMENT.>>IT IS. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE I WOULD BE HESITANT TO HAVE OUR STAFF ENFORCE SOMETHING WHEN THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM BEHIND IT. IT MAKES IT MUDDY. IT MAKES IT UNCLEAR. IT DOESN’T BUILD GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE’RE OUT TELLING PEOPLE TO DO A, B, C, D.>>BUT NOTHING HAPPENS.>>YOU DON’T THEY THINK THIS ARE OWNERS THAT ARE UNAWARE OF A MOLD SITUATION AND WE BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION AND THEY FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY.>>I DO THINK WE HAVE OWNERS THAT DO THAT. WE DO THAT THROUGH THE CAUSAL FACTORS. SIGHTING THEM FOR WATER IN STROUGS OR VENTILATION ISSUES. THEY THEN BRING THE ISSUES INTO COMPLIANCE. 97% OF THE POPULATION DOES. THAT WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THOSE WHERE THERE ARE CONDITIONS AT THE PROPERTY. THEY’RE ABSENTEE OR JUST NOT WILLING TO FIX.>>I KNOW WE WILL HAVE THOSE. I JUST WONDER IF THE SITUATION COULD BE IMPROVED AT ALL BY AT LEAST TRYING TO CAPTURE THE SITUATION WHERE THE LANDLORD IS UNAWARE, BECAUSE THEY DON’T DO THE TESTING. WE ARE ON THE LOOK OUT. WE BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION. MAYBE SOME OF THEM RESPOND. SO, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. WE COULD DO THAT, I DON’ THINK THE STATE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.>>I THINK WE IN THOSE CASES WHERE WE FIND THOSE MOLD TYPE ISSUES WE DO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE FOUND. WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO KPHROEUPBS. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO FIX A PLUMBING LEAK OR WHATEVER VENTILATION ISSUES GOING ONTO KEEP THAT ISSUE FROM REOCCURRING.>>WE DO TELL THEM ABOUT MOLD SITUATIONS NOW.>>WE SITE IT THROUGH UNCLEAR, UNSANITARY CONDITIONS.>>THAT’S A RISK OF MOLD ENVIRONMENT OPPOSED TO MEASURED MOLD.>>YES. BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE TRAINING. WE WON’T WALK INTO A PROPERTY AND SAY YOU HAVE MOLD. WE WILL SAY YOU HAVE A WATER LEAK, YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF INTRUSION. YOU HAVE A STAIN ON THE CEILING. SOMETHING IS CALLING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND YOU NEED TO REPAIR THE CEILING.>>RIGHT. OKAY.>>YOU STARTED TO GET AT WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. IF WE CAN’T TREAT THE AFFECT HOW MANY CAUSES CAN WE SITE FOR OR IMPACT. I DON’T THINK YOU NECESSARILY CAN ANSWER THIS NOW. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF WE HAVE A WAY TO DOCUMENT EXPLICITLY OR ANECDOTALLY WHAT MOISTURE IS LEADING TO MOLDY POEUPZ OR LEAKS IN ROOFS, WHATEVER IT IS. HOW MANY OF THOSE THINGS CAN WE ADDRESS, CAUSES EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WE CAN’T CURRENTLY ADDRESS THE AFFECT.>>AS WE GO THROUGH THE STANDARDS OF FITNESS YOU WILL SEE THINGS IN THERE. FOR EXAMPLE WE TALK ABOUT, NOT TO GET AHEAD, FAUCET LEAKS AND TOILET LEAKS AND THAT AND RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE THAT ARE MORE CAUSAL. WE TALK ABOUT, I BELIEVE, REPAINTING OVER A WALL.>> IF YOU HAVE MOLD IT WILL COME BACK AND YOU CAN SEE IT SOME OF THE CAUSAL AFFECTS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR STANDARD OF FITNESS.>>SO JUST TO KIND OF RECLARIFY A POINT HERE. MY CONCERN IS WHETHER OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND IT’S A BIG LIST TO SAY WE’RE GOING OUT TO FIND ALL OF THE CAUSAL FACTORS IN THE ENTIRE CITY AND ELIMINATE THEM SO THE MOLD IS NOT CREATED IN THE FIRST MAYS. I WONDER IF OUR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THE CAUSAL FACTORS AND YOU KNOW IF WE DON’T TREAT THE AFFECT WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME PROBLEMS LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN LAKE ARBOR ARISE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. THEY CONTINUE TO SAY SORRY, OUR HANDS ARE TIED. RIGHT, I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS COP ANSWERRIZATION, WHAT I HAVE TAKEN AWAY WE CAN TREAT THE AFFECT. IT’S NOT EASY. IT’S NOT A VACUUM OR SILO. YOU CAN DO IT COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COUNTY, STANDARD IN PLACE, TRAINING. OR ALTERNATIVELY REACHING OUT TO STATE LEGISLATURES AND ASKING THEY CONSIDER THIS WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDAS IN THE FUTURE. THAT’S MY TAKE AWAY. I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD. I DON’T THINK OUR CONVERSATION HERE PERTAINS TO MOLD. THE FACT WE’RE NOT FULLY ADDRESSING IT SHOULD PREVENT US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE OTHER ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATIONS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED ITEMS WE CAN DO.>>OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS REQUIRE ORDINANCE REVISIONS. THE FIRST IS A INCREASE IN CIVIL PENALTIES. CURRENTLY IT’S $100 FOR THE FIRST DAY AND $10 EACH DAY AFTER. WE RECOMMEND WE INCREASE THAT TO $500 FOR THE FIRST DAY AND $100 EACH DAY AFTER. THE GOAL BEHIND THIS IS THIS WILL SPUR QUICKER COMPLIANCE. WE WANT THESE PROPERTIES BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. HOPEFULLY THIS WOULD BE A MEASURE THAT CITIZENS AND OWNERS WOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY SPURRING THEM TO QUICKER COMPLIANCE. AS FAR AS THE NEXT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THESE ARE OUR STANDARDS OF FITNESS. THESE CLARIFY OR TIGHTEN YOU MEAN THINGS WE. HAVE SPACE AND USE. THIS WILL ADDRESS CONDITIONS OF ALL DOORS AND DOOR HARDWARE. LIGHT AND VENTILATION THIS. WILL CLARIFY WINDOWS MUST BE GLASS ONLY. IT HAS A PROVISION FOR KITCHEN EXHAUST. PLUMBING AN ADEQUATE AND SAFE WATER HEATER AND FIXTURES IN THE BATHROOM TO BE SEALED. HEATING FACILITIES THIS WILL CLARIFY THAT PORTABLE HATERS OF ANY KIND ARE SUPPLEMENTAL HEAT SOURCE ONLY. FOR STRUCTURAL CLARITY OF ENFORCEMENT OF STRUBLGT RAL FEATURES. FOUNDATIONS, INTERIOR WALLS, CEILINGS, ROOFS AND PORCHES. FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. CAB THEN THEORY, CLOTHES DRIES AND EXTERIOR PAINT WELL. ARE RECOMMENDING A NEW PROVISION FOR AIR CONDITIONING WITH A SYSTEM OPERATIONAL AND MAINTAINED. THESE ARE ALL LISTED INDIVIDUAL IN THE STANDARDS OF FITNESS THAT YOU HAVE. THAT WAS PROVIDED. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WE’RE HAPPY.>>I DO. I KNOW WE DID THIS SIDE BY SIDE, CURRENT VERSUS PROPOSED AND OR NEW. I HOPE THERE HAS BEEN SOME REVIEW BEFORE TODAY.>>YES, SIMILAR TO AIR CONDITIONING I THINK THESE ARE CRITICAL FOR LIFE SAFETY AND SOME OF THEM GET AT OUR CAUSES OF MOLD THAT WE’RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT. ONE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS CABINETRY AND EXTERIOR PAINT FOR EXAMPLE, CLOTHES TKROEURZ CAN BE A FIRE HAZARD. CABINETRY AND EXTERIOR PAINT IT LIKE A MISSION CREEP. I HAVE A CABINET IN THE HOUSE THAT NEEDS REPAIR, I HAVEN’T GOTTEN AROUND TO IT IN SIX MONTHS –>>$500.>>I KNOW.>>I JUST FEEL THAT’S NOT COMPARED TO OTHERS THAT ARE LIFE SAFETY. WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SPECIFICNESS. THE ENFORCEMENT OF CABINETRY IS BROAD. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.>>I WOULD LIKE TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO PROPOSED — PROPERTY MAINS THAN THE. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A DRAFT VERSION OF THE CODES AMENDMENT. CHAPTER 11.>>WHAT PAGE?>>22.>>THAT MR. EGLESTON WILL GIVE YOU MORE CLARITY. IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 1184E AD F. IT’S MORE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO KEEP IT SAN TATER AND CLEAN. SO, IF IT IS A LITTLE AJAR.>>E — I AGREE. THAT IS SPECIFIC. THAT IS GETTING TO MORE SPECIFICITY. F IS NOT. IN MY ESTIMATION. 1186A-1. IF WE TALK ABOUT CODING OF PAINT TO PREVENT ABSORPTION OF WATER THAT CAN LEAD TO MOLD THAT IS ONE THING. I HAVE A BRICK HOME. IT’S A PAINTED BRICK HOME. I THINK WE NEED SPES TPEUFBGZ. THE PAINT ON MY HOME ISN’T PREHAVEN’T A TIFF OF MOISTURE FOR MOLD. CHIPPING PAINT ON MY HOME IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD ARGUE HAS LIFE OR SAEUFT POTENTIAL.>>AS LONG AS IT’S NOT LEAD-WHICH ISED PAINT.>>I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THE PART OF THE — YES. THE ORDINANCE IN EXISTENCE WAS TALKING ABOUT EXTERIOR WOOD SURFACES. IT’S ALL ABOUT PREVENTION OF DETERIORATION.>>I MEAN –>>I WON’T SPEAK FOR CODE. I’M NOT LICENSED.>>TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS A DOOR OR A DRAWER TO ME IS, WE NEED TO HONE IN A BIT.>>DRAWERS AND DOORS CREATE BOUNDARIES FOR MOISTURE. THEY DON’T OPERATE CORRECTLY THEN YOU CAN’T FIX THE CAUSES OF KEEPING MOISTURE WHERE IT’S SUPPOSE TO BE. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.>>IF I MAY. A LOT OF FEEDBACK WE GET FROM TENANTS. WE GO OUT TO INSPECT UNITS THE KITCHEN DRAWERS DON’T WORK, THEY CAN’T OPEN A DOOR. THEY’RE IN A SPACE THEY CAN’T USE. ONE OF OUR GOALS IS THAT IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING TO A TENANT IT NEEDS TO OPERATE PROPERLY. YOU WILL WALK IN, WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ADDING HARDWARE TO A DOOR WITH A CUT OUT TO OPEN. WE ARE ASKING IF IT’S IN THE UNIT THAT IT OPERATES PROPERLY.>>I JUST WANT, I THINK THE HEALTH DIRECTOR SET THIS OUT PRETTY COMPELLING. YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE GOING TO ENFORCE THE RULES. BLESS YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>BY HAVING SOMETHING THAT’S FAIRLY BLACK AND WHITE FOR THEM TO ENFORCE. NOT ASKING EACH INDIVIDUAL INSPECT TORE MAKE THEIR OWN PERSONAL ESTIMATION. I WANT TO PROTECT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTORS THE SAME WAY WITH CLEAR GUIDELINES TO ENFORCE IT IN A UNIFORM MANNER. THERE ARE PARTS I WOULD BE CONSIDERED IT’S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO IT PARTS ASKING WHAT YOU AS SAID. YOU DON’T WANT THEM MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS WHEN THEY COULD BE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT HOUSES. THANK YOU.>>MR. DRIGGS.>>THANK YOU. HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE ON HOW THINGS ARE AND HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IF WE PASSED THE RULES? THE CONCERN I HAVE IS IF WE DON’T QUANTIFY THE COST TO OWNERS AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THING THEN WE MAY HAVE UNINTEND -PED CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU SPRUCE THE PLACE UP THEY GET MORE ON N. RENT AND THE MARKET PAYS MORE FOR THAT. WE MAY HAVE A SEGMENT OF OUR HOUSING THAT IS NOT WONDERFUL BUT IT’S CHEAP. SO, I THINK THESE ORDINANCES SHOULD BE A SAFETY NET. WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR US TO IMPOSE THESE. ON THAT BASIS MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE I’M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE. I’M RELUCTANT TO PROCEED WITH A VOTE TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO MS. GRAHAM AND THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS ALL OF THIS ADDRESSES KIND OF BAD BEHAVIOR ON THE PART OF OWNERS OR LANDLORDS. SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONDITIONS FOR THESE PLACES RESTS WITH THE TENANTS. THEY RUN EXTENSION CORDS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT APARTMENTS. WE HAVE SEEN INTERIORS AT LAKE ARBOR THAT WERE NOT THE MAKING OF THE OWNER. SO, I WONDER WHETHER WE HAVE KIND OF BEEN TOTALLY FARE TO OWNERS. I WILL POINT OUT IN MY VIEW THE PROFIT MARGINS FOR THE OWNERS ON THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT WIDE. THESE ARE NOT STEREO TYPICAL FAT KAT SLUMLORDS POCKETING HUGE MARGINS. THEY OFFER A INFERIOR PRODUCT AT A LOW PRICE. I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE HE CAN COMIC IMPACT ON THE CHANGES BEFORE VOTING AND MOVING AHEAD WITH THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ANALYSIS OF THE ROLL OF TENANTS IN MAKING SURE. JUST AS A ILLUSTRATION IF A TENANT DOESN’T CLOSE THE SHOWER CURTAIN PROPERLY AND FLOODS THE BATHROOM FLOOR EVERY TIME THEY TAKE A SHOWER YOU COULD CREATE A CONDITION WHERE THE LANDLORD IS HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR A MOISTURE CONDITION. SO, HOW DO WE KIND OF AT LEAST AVOID A SITUATION WHERE TENANT BEHAVIORS CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE.>>THANK YOU, SIR. IF I MIGHT YOU ALL HAVE MADE GREAT POINTS. LET ME MARRY A COUPLE OF OF THINGS I HEARD SAID. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER DRIGGS AND EGLESTON. THE THINGS YOU HAVE RAISED WE HEARD IN THE JUNE 10th MEETING FROM THE GREATER APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. THOSE ARE THINGS WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH. PARTICULARLY THE CABINETRY. WE EXPLAINED TO THEM. THEY HAD QUESTIONS OF THE SPECIFICS AS WELL. PERHAPS THERE IS LANGUAGE HERE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND US THAT SOME, MOST OF THIS WE’RE ALREADY DOING IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL THIS. JUST KRYSTALIZES IT FOR US. IF WE SPELL IT OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. THEN I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT, MR. DRIGGS, TENANTS PLAY A HUGE ROLL IN THIS. THERE IS MORE EDUCATION TO BE HAD WHETHER IT’S FROM THE CITY OR GREATER APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. PROPERTY OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES WHEN THEY RENT TO FOLKS THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE AROUND THAT AS WELL. WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO TODAY I THINK WE HAVE A OPPORTUNITY OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS OR MONTHS TO SIT WITH MORE MEMBERS OF THE GREATER APARTMENT ASSOCIATION TO DO THE ANALYSIS AND WORK TO DO MAKING SURE THEY’RE COMFORTABLE. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT MAYBE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS. WE DEFINITELY DON’T WANT TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT OR DO ANYTHING ADVERSE TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE WE’RE PASSIONATE ABOUT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DON’T VOTE ON THIS YET. WE TAKE THE TIME TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. I’M NOT SURE WE HAVE WORKED IT OUT FULLY. WE WOULDN’T WANT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.>>SURE.>>SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING TO THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK THE CHAIR AND THE CITY MANAGER WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BETTER PROCESS. THERE DOES SEEM TO BE AN AGREEMENT THERE IS MORE TKPRAPBE WORK TO BE DONE. WHETHER YOU THINK THAT’S BEST DONE BETWEEN A COMMITTEE VOTE AND FULL COUNCIL VOTE. OR GIVEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THE PIPELINE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET IN JULY IF NEEDED. IT’S INTERESTING, I DON’T KNOW IF EVERYONE SAW THIS, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WE HEARD THE ASK OF NOT ONLY MAYBE DELAYING THIS A MONTH FROM THE INDUSTRY. WE GOT AN E-MAIL FROM EQUITABLE COMMUNITIES FROM PETER KELLY ASKING FOR THE SAME THING. THESE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES ASKING FOR A SLIGHT DELAY TO GET THIS RIGHT AND NOT JUST DONE QUICKLY. I DON’T LIKE THINGS TO LANGUISH IN COMMITTEES BUT WHEN BOTH SIDES OF A DEBATE SAY I THINK THIS NEEDS MORE TIME TO TPHURB OUT IT’S COMPELLING FOR ME.>>I THINK WE SHOULD HAND THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE BEFOREHANDING IT OFF HALF BAKE TO THE COUNCIL. I THINK WE CAN HAVE MORE FOCUS IN THIS SETTING THEN KICKING DOWN THE CAN.>>I WOULD GO THE OPPOSITE WAY. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR THREE, THREE SESSIONS. THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE THIS TO FULL COUNCIL DOESN’T MEAN ADOPTION TO IT, THE WAY IT STANDS NOW. I SUGGEST WE MOVE THIS TO — GET THIS PRESENTED ON OUR FIRST MONDAY. SO WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION FOR THE FULL COUNCIL OF OUR COLLEAGUES. THEY CAN WEIGHT IN ON THIS AND ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT WE CAN DO THE WORK BETWEEN NOW AND ULTIMATELY WHEN WE GET TO VOTE OP THIS. ON THIS.>>SOME POINT OF ORDER ON THAT I THINK THE MAYOR JUST CANCELED — WE DON’T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.>>NO STRATEGY SESSION FOR JULY. WE DON’T MEET IN AUGUST. I WILL ASK FOR YOUR OPINION TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT BREAKING THIS INFORMAL TIE OR NOT.>>OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY. JUST GOING TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL WON’T BE UNTIL SEPTEMBER.>>IT COULD BE LATE, LATE AUGUST BUSINESS MEETING.>>WE WILL MEET AS A COMMITTEE IN THE INTERIM ANYHOW.>>WE CAN DECIDE. THAT.>>THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING JULY 22nd COMING AFTER THE POTENTIAL NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING.>>YES, BUT THERE ARE AGENDA ITEMS BOOKED.>>PROBABLY LATE AUGUST.>>AUGUST 26th.>>I WILL SAY THIS, I RECEIVED THE SAME E-MAILS FROM THE COMMUNITY FOLKS, RECEIVED E-MAILS FROM, THE MEMO FROM THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION YESTERDAY. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. EGLESTON AND MR. DRIGGS WE CAN HANDLE A FEW MORE THINGS. WE GOT INTO THE MOLD CONVERSATION A BIT. THERE ARE SPECIFICS FOR SOME STUFF. I DON’T WANT TO GET FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE. SOME OF THESE ARE BASIC CONDITIONS AND WE WANT ALL RESIDENTS IN THE CITY TO HAVE, IN MY OPINION. I DON’T WANT TO MISS THAT FOR SOME LARGER KIND OF CHARGE. SOME OF THESE ITEMS. WE WANT DRAWERS TO WORK, OPEN AND CLOSE. THAT IS SHOULD BE THAT. CONVERSATIONS AROUND MATERIALS AND WHAT NOT, EVEN SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND ENFORCEMENT NEED TO BE HAD. FROM WHAT I HEAR, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A JULY COMMITTEE MEETING. FOR STAFF, I WOULD HOPE TO TAKE AN ACTION AT THAT POINT. WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES. FOR CLARITY WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME, MR. EGLESTON THIS IS FOR YOUR COMMENTS, YOU’RE LOOKING FOR DETAILS AROUND MATERIALS?>>IF I’M THE INSPECTOR THAT IS HANDED AN ORDINANCE AND ASKED TO INSPECT. YOU’RE ANOTHER INSPECTOR WITH THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN BOTH INTERPRET IT IN A SIMILAR FASHION. WE’RE NOT BOTH GOING IN AND YOU’RE –>>I THOUGHT WE WEREN’T MICRO MANAGING.>>WE DO TRAIN INSPECTORS THIS. IS A TRAINING.>>WE HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAINING PROGRAM.>>I’M NOT SAYING THE PEOPLE ARE NOT TRAINED. I SAY IF WE GIVE THEM THE ORDINANCES I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE CLEAR.>>IT’S CLARITY ISSUES.>>LIMIT THE GREY AREA.>>NOT QUESTIONING THE ABILITY OF THE EMPLOYEES.>> AMBIGUITY.>>PART OF THIS WAS DESIGNED, WHAT WAS GIVEN FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS FOR INSPECTIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. SAME WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE. WHEN THE POLICE SAID WE NEED MORE AUTHORITY AND TEETH.>>AND CLARITY. THEY ASKED FOR CLARITY.>>YES LEGAL COUNCIL WAS AT THE TABLE WITH US WORKING THROUGH EACH RECOMMENDATION. WE HEEDED THE LEGAL ADVICE ON HOW THE ORDINANCE SHOULD BE DRAFTED. RESPECT TO CABINETRY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE BY SIDE. 20 THROUGH I THINK 22 TALKS ABOUT PROPER MAINTENANCE. IT’S NOT FOR NEW MATERIALS. IT’S FOR HARDWARE TO OPEN UP DRAWERS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT IN OUR OWN HOUSES. THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR LANDLORDS. IT’S CREATED TO PROVIDE MINIMUM BASIC HOUSING STANDARDS.>>I HAVE — SO I GOT THE SAME E-MAILS. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL GROUPS ADVOCATING ON THEIR PROFESSIONS AND INTEREST GROUPS, I HAVEN’T HEARD ANY REAL AMBIGUITY FROM STAFF. YOU KNOW. I HAVE HEARD THE NORMAL WANTING MORE DETAILS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DIDN’T FEEL THAT WAS THE CASE FROM STAFF. I DON’T SEE THE BIG CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND NOW. EVEN IF WE PUSH THIS TO A COUNCIL VOTE. I SEE DETAILS AND FINE TUNING OF THINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN WITH ANY FINAL STAGES OF AN ORDINANCE CHANGES. AM I MISSING, DID I MISS A BIG PART WHAT HAD STAFF WAS SAYING HERE TODAY?>>NO. I DON’T THINK YOU’RE MISSING IT. I THINK WHAT NEEDS MORE TIME IS MAIN TAPING — WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. YOU SEE THE RATIONAL THAT IS SPELLED OUT. IN TERMS OF THE CABINETRY FOR EXAMPLE WE WANT IT TO BE OPERABLE. THAT’S THE INTENT OF IT. IN TERMS OF THE PAINT. THE PAINT REQUIRES SURFACES BE REPAINTED IN THE ORDINAL CODING OR IF THE PAINT HAS FAILED. WE’RE NOT TRYING TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL HARDSHIP. WE’RE JUST WANTING THINGS TO BE OPERABLE IF THEY’RE IN THE UNIT.>>LET ME ASK A QUESTION QUICKLY. SO EARLIER YOU MENTIONED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSION YOU TALKED ABOUT PREOCCUPANCY INSPECTIONS. I’M TRYING TO FIND THE MIDDLE. SOMETIMES THIS ARE JUST BAD TENANTS. DO WE JUST SAY CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS DO THE CHECKLIST LIFT PREMOVE IN AND POST MOVE OUT. OR DO WE, CAN WE MANDATE THAT SO THIS IS A STANDARD THERE THAT SAYS THESE HAVE NOT THINGS MUST BE CHECKED OFF?>>SO –>>WE DON’T HAVE THAT NOW, IT WAS RECOMMENDED. IT WOULD HELP PROTECT TENANTS BUT IT COULD PROTECT PROPERTY OWNERS.>>WE DON’T RECOMMEND THAT, RIGHT. I DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE LEGAL WHEREWITHAL TO DO THAT. WE DON’T WRECK MACHINED THAT ALSO, BECAUSE WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR HOUSING MEMBERS IS THAT NUMBER ONE WHERE YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT DOLLARS IN THIS IS SOMETHING CALLED A HOUSING QUALITY STANDARD. A UNIT OF SECTION 1 HAS TO PASS QUALITY STANDARDS. THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY, THEY DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT. TO THAT POINT MANY OF THEM, 97% OF THEM THEY DO THE RIGHT THING. RIGHT. SO, I THINK IT’S MORE ABOUT — AND MOST TENANTS BEFORE THEY MOVE IN THEY WANT TO SEE IT AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE OPERATING. IF NOT YOU WILL CALL YOUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE. ON THE FLIP SIDE WE DON’T WANT TO DELAY PEOPLE FROM FINDING HOUSING BY SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS, THIS INSPECTION. THERE IS A FLIP SIDE TO IT ALL. AGAIN IT’S NOT RECOMMENDED. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. TO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND IMPACT THAT IT COULD HAVE.>>I WASN’T SUGGESTING IT I DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS IN PLACE.>>I WILL ANSWER BRIEFLY ON THE LEGAL SIDE. WE’RE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED BY STATE LAW FROM DOING PRERENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAMS AS A CITY.>>THANK YOU.>>COMMISSIONERS.>>THINKING ABOUT THIS I’M SORRY TO QUESTION IF WE NEED TO BE MORE CAREFUL PUTTING MORE SPECIFICS IN OUR ORDINANCES. WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS WITH THEIR OWN POLICIES AND GUYED FRONT. WE HAVE DIRECTIVES. HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN STANDARDS. ARE WE TYING HANDS, BEING TOO SPECIFIC HERE, ARE WE TYING THE HANDS OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR ABT TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN STANDARDS. AND THE NEXTIBILITY, THE ABILITY AS IT ARISES OR OCCURS TO THEM TO MAYBE CHANGE SOME OF THE STANDARDS. ARE WE GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS WITH OUR CONTROL OF THIS. MY QUESTION, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT CODIFYING ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC. HAVING SAID THAT IF WE WAITED FOR OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND A STRATEGY SESSION OR DINNER MEETING TO ADDRESS THIS GENERALLY AS A COUNCIL, WHAT ARE WE BUMPING. WHAT IS PUSHED OFF THE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE, A FUTURE COMMITTEE AGENDA?>>I DON’T HAVE THE 30-DAY IN FRONT OF ME.>>I’M ASSUMING IT’S SOMETHING.>>I THINK ON THE EIGHTH –>>SOMETHING IN THE PIPELINE.>>JULY 8th WE’RE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK WITH THE HOUSING TRUST FUND WRECK PH-PDATIONS. THAT WILL TAKE DISCUSSIONS. AND I CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT IS JULY 22nd.>>WE HAVE OFTEN CHEWED GUM BEFORE. I THINK WE CAN HANDLE IT. I THINK WE’RE NOT GETTING TO THAT CONVERSATION AS A FULL COUNCIL BEFORE JULY 17th. WHY NOT TAKE ANOTHER CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT IF EVERYONE IS NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. AGAIN WE HAVE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO CHEW ON THIS MORE. WE HAVE THE PEOPLE BUILDING, PROVIDING, MAINTAINING HOUSING WE WOULD LIKE TO CHEW ON THIS MORE. IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A MONTH AND NOT DELAY OUR TIMELINE TALKING WITH THE FULL COUNCIL. THE ONLY THING WE’RE DOING BY VOTING IT OUT TODAY IS SAVING AN HOUR AND A HALF ON JULY 17th. I THINK IS A WORTHY USE OF THE TIME.>>DEFINITELY. I DON’T WANT TO SEE A 3-2 COMMITTEE VOTE AND EXPLAIN WHY THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CAN CHOP THIS UP WHEN WE CAN DO IT HERE BEFOREHAND.>>I WANT TO EMPHASIZE I DON’T THINK THERE IS DISAGREEMENT TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM STANDARDS AND PROTECTING DEN ANTS FROM CONDITION THAT’S ARE UNSAFE OR UNREASONABLE. I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE RELACE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. LAKE ARBOR WAS WAY OUT OF BOUNDS. WHEN WE DO THIS WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY. I’M WORRIED THERE ARE OTHER LAKE ARBORES OUT THERE. THERE IS SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND ECONOMIC IMPACT. I WOULD APPRECIATE TIME TO UNDERSTAND BETTER. I THINK THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION IS SUPPORTIVE. I DON’T SEE GREEN LIGHTS YET FROM THEM. I THINK WE CAN GET TO A GROAN LIGHT FROM THEM BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION WE’RE ADDRESSING AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HELP ADDRESS IT I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH A LOT WITH ANOTHER MONTH. IT’S PROBABLY BECAUSE I’M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT I HAVEN’T GOTTEN INTO ALL OF THE ISSUES. I HOPE WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE ALL OF THE LIGHTS ARE GREEN.>>I THINK WE HAVE REACHED A POINT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE JULY 17th MEETING THAT WAS TENTATIVELY CALENDARED. IT’S UPON US TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STAFF. BETWEEN THAT TIME ALSO HOPEFULLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE STAFF AND INTEREST GROUPS AROUND WHAT IS, WHAT DO THEY WANT HERE. WE CAN MAKE IT A QUICK ONE. GOOD.>>MOTION TO CLOSE.>>YES, PLEASE.>>SECOND.>>AWESOME, THANK YOU.>>DON’T FORGET TO GO HIGH FIVE DANNY.>>YES.

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