Michigan State Board of Education Meeting May 7, 2019: Discussion and Selection


>>IT IS NOW 3:25 AND A QUORUM OF THE BOARD IS PRESENT. WE ARE RECONVENING. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THREE OF THE CANDIDATES THAT CAME TODAY. THEY TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY SCHEDULES TO COME FOR THE SECOND INTERVIEW, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT AND THE GREAT DIALOGUE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE WITH THEM TODAY. I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE, WE HAVE RAY AND ASSOCIATES WITH US. MIKE COLLINS IS HERE AND HE IS GOING TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE PROCESS ON OUR FINAL SELECTION FOR THE CANDIDATE. SO WITH THAT.>>THANK YOU, THANK YOU, IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK. I REALLY JUST WANT TO START WITH MY SINCERE COMPLIMENTS AND THE COMPLIMENTS OF OUR COLLEAGUES OUT OF THE HOME OFFICE AS WELL. WHAT YOU DID FROM THE TIME WE SHARED SUGGESTED QUESTIONS AND THE QUESTIONS YOU CARVED OUT FOR YOURSELVES AND HOW YOU DID SUCH A NICE JOB OF MAKING THAT REALLY MICHIGAN QUESTIONS IS FAIRLY EXEMPLARY COMPARED TO A LOT THAT WE’VE SEEN IN MANY PLACES. TO THE POINT THAT WE MAY BEGIN TO LIFT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS FOR OTHER PLACES. BUT IN ALL SINCERITY, WE LOOKED AT THOSE AND WE HAD ON ONE OF OUR WEEKLY CALLS, BECAUSE WE SAW THEM WHEN YOU SAW THEM, AND THEY WERE VERY GOOD. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE THAT THE THING I ALSO FOUND EXTREMELY INTERESTING, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN ALL THOSE COMMUNITY OR CONSTITUENT CONVERSATIONS, THE THINGS YOU PUT IN THOSE QUESTIONS WERE VERY CONSISTENT OF THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED THROUGHOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 32 DIFFERENT ENTITIES, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD 24 CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE HAD MORE THAN ONE GROUP REPRESENTED OCCASIONALLY. SO THEY WERE ALSO VERY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE HEARD AS FAR BACK AS JANUARY. SO I JUST THINK IT’S A GREAT CAPTURE OF CONSENSUS OF WHERE THINGS ARE AND WHAT ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO. AND THOSE THINGS ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH MANY ASPECTS OF THE FIELD, SO CONGRATULATIONS. SO THIS IS WHY YOU ALL RAN FOR OFFICE SO YOU COULD DO THIS ONE THING. SO I HAD SHARED, AND YOU HAVE THEM, KIND OF FIVE SUGGESTED STEPS, IF YOU WILL, OR AT LEAST GUIDELINES AS YOU GO THOUGH THIS FINAL SELECTION PROCESS. AND I’M GONNA VERY QUICKLY REVIEW THOSE AND THEN ASK IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE’S CONSENSUS TO FOLLOW THAT OR SOME FACSIMILE THEREOF AND THEN LET’S ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND GET TO IT. SO NUMBER ONE IS YOU ALL HAVE, YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF WHAT WE CALL A MATRIX. I’M GONNA GET TO THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT IN A MINUTE AFTER I GO THROUGH THESE FIVE POINTS. BUT IT IS MUCH SIMPLER THAN IT LOOKS. IT’S REALLY A FORCED PRIORITIZATION OF ONE CANDIDATE AGAINST ANOTHER. IT’S NOT ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS IN JUST A SECOND. ONCE YOU’RE DONE INDIVIDUALLY WITH THOSE, I’M GONNA COLLECT THEM AND I’M GONNA ACTUALLY TALLY THEM. AND FROM THAT POINT WE CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS. I CAN JUST HOLD THE TALLY FOR AWHILE AND YOU CAN BEGIN YOUR CONVERSATION TO BUILD CONSENSUS AND DISCUSS YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL THREE CANDIDATES. I CAN SHARE THE RESULTS UP FRONT AND YOU CAN USE THAT AS A STARTING POINT OF YOUR CONVERSATION. IN REALITY, WE’VE NEVER SEEN IT USED AS BASED ON THOSE THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION AND THIS MATRIX TALLY WAS THE WAY WHO WAS SELECTED. IT’S TO GIVE YOU JUST ANOTHER BACK STEP OR FORWARD STEP REFERENCE POINT TO WHAT YOU’VE SAID INDIVIDUALLY AND WHAT DOES THAT ADD UP TO. AND IT’S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU’VE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE YOU RANKED THEM ONE THROUGH FIVE OR WHATEVER. THIS ACTUALLY IS FORCING YOU TO LOOK AT ONE AGAINST THE OTHER, PERIOD. THAT’S THE PURPOSE OF IT. SO IT’S YOUR CHOICE. AND AS I SHARED WITH CASANDRA JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, I’VE DONE ABOUT 16 OF THESE, 16 DIFFERENT SCHOOL BOARDS. SOME JUST WANT TO HOLD THE TALLY, WE WANT TO TALK AND GO BACK AND USE IT AS A REFERENCE POINT. SOME WANT TO KNOW, GIVE US THE TALLY FIRST AND WE’LL TALK FROM THERE. SO IT’S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU AND I CAN’T TELL YOU THERE WAS 10 ONE WAY AND SIX ANOTHER. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE MAKEUP AND THE FEELINGS OF THE GROUP OR MAYBE THE FEELINGS OF THE GROUP AT THAT TIME. SO IT’S YOUR CALL. FOLLOWING THAT, THE COMPLETION OF THE MATRIX AND MY TALLY, THEN TELL ME WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR IT RIGHT AWAY OR YOU WANT IT TO SIT FOR A BIT AND USE AS A REFERENCE POINT LATER. BUT THEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO HAVE YOU ALL BEGIN TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION. THERE IS A POINT IN HERE THAT I KIND OF SKIPPED TO FOUR, NO, I MOVED RIGHT TO THREE AND ONE TIME I THINK I HAD IT AS FOUR. HOW YOU CONDUCT THAT CONVERSATION IS TOTALLY YOURS. I JUST THINK IT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND PRODUCTIVE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. LET THIS ONE SUGGESTION GUIDE THE CONVERSATION AND THAT IS SPEAK TO MUCH MORE AROUND– NOT NECESSARILY WHICH ONE BUT OF EACH OF THEM WHY YOU FEEL THEY’RE A GOOD FIT. AS OPPOSED TO HERE’S WHAT THEY DIDN’T DO. HERE’S WHAT THEY DIDN’T SAY. WE ALWAYS FIND THAT ONE MAY BE A BETTER FIT THAN THE OTHER, AND THAT CAN BE YOUR GUIDING POINT, BUT I DON’T THINK THERE’S A LOT TO BE GAINED BY JUST KIND OF PUBLIC CRITICAL CONVERSATION. IT DOESN’T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE POSITIVE BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT’S IN A DIRECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHICH ONE OR WHICH ONES DO YOU THINK ARE THE BEST FIT FOR THIS JOB. I’M ASKING YOU TO USE THAT AS PART OF THE GUIDE FOR YOUR CONVERSATION. AND THEN MOVING TO A DECISION, EITHER ONE CANDIDATE MOVES AHEAD IN YOUR COLLECTIVE PERSPECTIVE OR MAYBE TWO MOVE AHEAD OF ONE AND THEN YOU GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE REMAINING TWO. THAT’S ALL FAIR GAME. BUT HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE A DECISION. AS OBVIOUSLY IT’S THE BEST FOR WHOEVER YOU SELECT THAT IT’S CLOSE TO UNANIMOUS AS POSSIBLE BUT YOU’RE A STATE BOARD AND THAT’S VERY HARD THING TO FIND. I CAN TELL YOU ONE, PERSONALLY FROM EXPERIENCE, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH OTHER BOARDS, BOTH STATE AND LOCAL IS THE PERCENTAGE OF FINDING A 5-0 VOTE COMPARED TO AN 8-0 VOTE OR HOW MANY MEMBERS THERE ARE ON A STATE BOARD, IT’S MORE OF A RARITY TO FIND A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON A STATE BOARD THAN IT IS ON A CITY OR A LOCAL BOARD. SO I DON’T THINK IT’S ALWAYS ABOUT EVERYBODY HAS TO DO IT IF YOU DON’T FEEL THAT WAY. IF YOU DO, HALLELUJAH, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT AT SOME POINT YOU’RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. SO I’M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON’T KNOW AND HAVEN’T ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT. I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT. SO WITH THAT, LET’S JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES. THERE ARE ONLY THREE. SO THE WAY THAT THIS IS DESIGNED IS FOR YOU, BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE AND TWO AND THEN ONE AND THREE FIRST AND THEN WE HAVE TWO AND THREE. WHAT WE’RE REALLY ASKING IN ONE AND TWO, ONE OVER TOP OF TWO, NOT THAT ONE’S BETTER THAN TWO BUT IN YOUR MIND, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE MICHAEL RICE OR RANDY LIEPA, PERIOD? THAT’S ALL THAT’S BEING ASKED IN THAT ONE ITEM. CIRCLE THE ONE YOU WANT OF THOSE TWO. THEN THE NEXT ONE IS ONE TO THREE. DO YOU PREFER MICHAEL OVER JEANIE, OR JEANIE OVER MICHAEL? CIRCLE IT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS VERY OBVIOUS, IT’S RANDY AND JEANIE. THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO DO. I’M GONNA COLLECT ‘EM, YOU CAN START TALKING. I’M GONNA TALLY ‘EM, SO THERE’LL BE SOME SENSE OF A TALLY AND SOMEBODY WILL FINISH FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD IN THE MATRIX, BUT THAT BY NO MEANS NEEDS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF YOUR FINAL DECISION. IT’S A REFERENCE POINT FOR YOU.>>SO ARE WE PUTTING OUR NAMES ON THESE OR YOU JUST?>>WHEN I COLLECT THEM I’M JUST GONNA PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THEM.>>OKAY.>>OH, NO, PUT YOUR INITIALS IN THE CORNER, THAT’S HELPFUL.>>I WOULD THINK THESE ARE PUBLIC.>>YEAH, THEY WILL BE PUBLIC.>>I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT–>>ALL RIGHT. THAT’S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.>>THAT’S FINE. I GUESS IN THIS CASE, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT YOUR NAME. THANK YOU, TOM, I APPRECIATE THAT.>>THAT WAS WHY I ASKED.>>OH, GOOD QUESTION, THANKS PAMELA. OKAY, HAVE AT IT.>>SO WE JUST MAKE THREE CIRCLES?>>RIGHT.>>IS THAT THREE CIRCLES.>>YEAH, YOU MAY NEED TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN. SO ONE VERSUS TWO–>>WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? CIRCLE THE ONE THAT YOU WANT.>>AND RICE IS ONE, LIEPA IS TWO, AND SWIFT IS THREE.>>CORRECT, IT’S THE ORDER DOWN THE LEFT HAND SIDE.>>THIS ONE WOULD BE OUT OF RICE–>>YEAH, THESE TWO, THEN THESE THREE.>>YOU CIRCLE EITHER ONE OR TWO.>>AND THESE TWO LIKE THIS.>>YEAH.>>TOTAL THREE CIRCLES.>>RIGHT.>>GOT IT.>>WOW. WE COULD HAVE SAVED ON PAPER WITH THIS.>>IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE DON’T DO THIS PUBLICLY AND JUST SAY IT?>>IT’S EASIER FOR ME TO TALLY THEM OFF THE SHEETS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, TOM. IF YOU WANT TO SAY IT YOU CAN JUST SAY IT.>>AND ANOTHER QUESTION, WHY DON’T WE DISCUSS AND EVEN DO THIS AFTER THAT? WHY ARE WE DOING IT BEFORE?>>YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. THE ONLY REASON WAS THAT WE DID IT AND IF I COLLECT THEM THEN YOU CAN START YOUR CONVERSATION AND DECIDE WHEN YOU WANT THE REFERENCE POINT. IT’S UP TO YOU.>>BUT TO TOM’S POINT, I’M OKAY WITH DISCUSSING AFTER YOU TALLY OR WHILE YOU TALLY. BUT TO TOM’S POINT, WE COULD CALL OUT OUR–>>THAT’S FINE.>>YEAH, NOT THAT I DON’T TRUST YOUR ABILITIES, BUT I GUESS I DON’T KNOW YOUR MATH ABILITIES.>>NO, THAT’S GOOD. I’M GONNA TAKE THEM TO MARILYN TO DOUBLE CHECK ANYWAY SO REST ASSURED.>>HOW DID YOU DO ON THE MSTEP? HE’S FROM OHIO.>>OH, HE’S FROM OHIO. I’D NEVER KNOW.>>YEAH, NO, I DIDN’T GO TO OHIO STATE.>>SO YOU START, TOM.>>SO IS EVERYONE DONE WITH THIS?>>HE’S GOT TO HAVE CIRCLES. I DON’T UNDERSTAND IF I’M DOING IT RIGHT.>>YEAH, NO YOU WOULDN’T CIRCLE, FOR EACH GROUP, YOU WOULD CIRCLE ONE. SO EITHER THIS ONE YOU CIRCLE–>>FOR EACH GROUP I CIRCLE ONE?>>RIGHT, SO YOU’RE EITHER GONNA CIRCLE MICHAEL OR RANDY ON THE FIRST ONE.>>THAT’S NOT SPECIFIED.>>OKAY.>>AND ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW, I’M GONNA START WITH JUDY JUST BECAUSE I WROTE YOUR NAMES DOWN GOING AROUND THE TABLE THAT WAY, IF THAT’S OKAY WITH YOU, CASANDRA.>>IS THAT OKAY WITH JUDY? IT’S OKAY WITH ME.>>GLAD I’M NOT GOING FIRST, NOW I KNOW I CAN CHEAT.>>YOU’RE REALLY GONNA TELL ME HOW MANY CIRCLES YOU GAVE EACH ONE. THAT’S WHAT I’M ASKING, PLEASE.>>OH, NOW YOU TELL ME.>>NO, NO, YOU’VE GOT ‘EM.>>OKAY, I GOT IT.>>OKAY.>>WHENEVER EVERYBODY’S DONE. I DON’T THINK EVERYBODY’S DONE. I’M THE GUINEA PIG, OKAY, I GOT IT.>>OKAY, ARE WE DONE NOW? ARE YOU STILL, ALL SET, OKAY.>>I UNDERSTOOD IT NOW.>>HOW MANY CIRCLES DID YOU GIVE MICHAEL?>>TWO.>>AND HOW MANY CIRCLES DID YOU GIVE RANDY?>>NONE.>>OKAY, AND THEREFORE JEANIE GOT ONE.>>CORRECT.>>OKAY.>>LUPE, HOW MANY CIRCLES DID YOU GIVE MICHAEL?>>NONE.>>OKAY. HOW MANY CIRCLES DID YOU GIVE RANDY?>>TWO.>>OKAY. THEREFORE, JEANIE GOT THE OTHER ONE.>>SHE GOT ONE.>>OKAY, THANK YOU. TOM?>>ZERO, TWO, AND ONE.>>MICHAEL RICE, TWO, RANDY, ONE, AND ZERO.>>OKAY, PAMELA.>>I HAVE TWO, ZERO, AND ONE.>>I HAVE TWO FOR RICE, ONE FOR RANDY.>>ZERO, TWO, ONE.>>TWO FOR RICE AND ONE FOR RANDY.>>DO WE WANT TO KNOW THE TALLY NOW AND THEN DISCUSS?>>WE KIND OF HAD THE GENERAL IDEA ANYWAY.>>IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THERE’S SOME RESURFACING SO JEANIE RECEIVED FIVE, RANDY RECEIVED NINE, MICHAEL RECEIVED 10, IF I JUST TOTAL UP THE NUMBERS ACROSS.>>OKAY, 10, 9, 5.>>CORRECT, GOING THE OTHER WAY, CORRECT, PAMELA.>>SO BASED ON THIS, IF I’M UNDERSTANDING, I DON’T THINK JEANIE RECEIVED ANY ONES, CORRECT?>>SHE WAS NOT SELECTED, SHE DIDN’T RECEIVE ANY TWOS.>>I’M SORRY, THAT’S WHAT I MEANT. YEAH, SHE DIDN’T RECEIVE ANY OF THE TWOS.>>CORRECT.>>SO BASED ON THAT, ARE WE COMFORTABLE ELIMINATING THAT CANDIDATE AND THEN HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OTHER TWO? EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?>>I SELECTED JEANIE AND I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.>>I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I DID APPRECIATE SOME OF HER IDEAS.>>RIGHT.>>I THOUGHT SHE BROUGHT A LOT OF GREAT ENERGY. I DON’T WANT IT TO BE SEEN THAT SHE WASN’T A GREAT CANDIDATE. MY CONCERN WAS I WANTED SOMEBODY WITH MORE OF A VARIETY OF EXPERIENCES. I’M CONCERNED ABOUT REPLICATING WHAT YOU CAN DO IN ANN ARBOR TO THE REST OF THE STATE. I THINK THAT EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF ANN ARBOR IN THE STATE OR WITH SOME REALLY CHALLENGING COMMUNITIES I THINK IS IMPORTANT.>>RIGHT, OBVIOUSLY I LIKED THAT SHE LIKED YOUNG CHOW. BUT I LIKED HER HONESTY. THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS I THINK SHE WAS JUST A VERY SINCERE AND HONEST PERSON. I REALLY LIKED MUCH OF WHAT SHE SAID, AND DISAGREE WITH SOME THINGS, BUT I THINK SHE WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE TO COME BEFORE US.>>I REALLY APPRECIATED HER INTERVIEW TODAY, ESPECIALLY. I LIKED WHAT SHE HONED IN ON QUESTION NUMBER TWO, THOUGH I DO AGREE WITH MICHELLE AROUND HER EXPERIENCE WITH THE VARIETY OF DISTRICTS. BUT REALLY HER BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE’S DOING TO CLOSE THE ACHIEVEMENT GAPS AND THE FACT THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING ONE OF THE BIGGEST GAPS THAT WE KNOW OF AND TALKING ABOUT EXPULSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I LIKED WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT AROUND EARLY LITERACY AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. I LIKED THE FACT THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT THE GROWING TEACHERS FROM WITHIN THAT SHE HAD A REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND YOU COULD TELL HER PASSION AROUND THAT. SO I DID APPRECIATE WHAT SHE BROUGHT TO US AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE HONORED THAT SHE THOUGHT OF MICHIGAN STUDENTS AND US TO COME BEFORE US AND PUT HERSELF OUT THERE LIKE THAT TO APPLY.>>ONE THING ABOUT SPECIAL EDUCATION I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT EARLY IDENTIFICATION AND DELIVERING SERVICES CONSISTENTLY AND WITHOUT INTERRUPTION, WHICH MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. AND WHAT’S REQUIRED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IS AN INCREDIBLE EFFORT ON A PARENT’S BEHALF. SO JUST TO HEAR THAT COME FROM HER MOUTH WAS COMFORTING. HOW CLOSELY ARE WE MONITORING THE OUTCOME OF OUR INTERVENTIONS. I THINK OFTENTIMES IT’S HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT WITH KIDS THAT HAVE THOSE NEEDS. SHE IDENTIFIED IT MORE SUCCINCTLY. I THINK SHE KIND OF CAME OUT FRONT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA SO I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT.>>YEAH, THAT’S COOL.>>I’VE GOT A RESPONSE TO QUESTION NUMBER 12 AND HER COMMENTS ABOUT CONNECTEDNESS WERE GOOD ALSO AS FAR AS THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT BEING THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO DOES NEED TO BE THE CONNECTOR AND HOW SHE TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE AND IMPORTANT PART OF THE ROLE.>>AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT WAS AN HONOR TO MEET THE SUPERINTENDENT SWIFT FROM ANN ARBOR BECAUSE I HAD HEARD A LOT ABOUT HER. SHE DID GET THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE YEAR. SO HER PRESENTATION TODAY WAS EXTREMELY VERY PASSIONATE. SHE IS WORKING IN HER DISTRICT TOWARDS MANY DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO OUR STATE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN NUMERATED BY MY COLLEAGUES ALREADY. SO IT WAS AN HONOR TO MEET HER AND IT WAS AN HONOR TO HAVE HER AS ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES FOR THIS PROCESS.>>I FELT LIKE SHE WAS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND I REALLY APPRECIATED HER POSITIVE ENERGY. SHE HAD A LOT OF GREAT POINTS. I THINK THAT MY CONCERN IS THE SAME THAT MICHELLE SHARED WITH THE DIVERSITY. I’M NOT SURE, HER LENS IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT. AND ONE THING SHE SAID IN PARTICULAR THAT STOOD OUT TO THAT POINT WAS WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT PARENTS HAVING A LOT OF CHOICES. AND IN SOME COMMUNITIES PARENTS DON’T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES AND YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT.>>GREAT COMMENTS, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO NOW AND THEN THERE WERE TWO. SO I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO A CONVERSATION. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOSE MICHAEL RICE AS NUMBER ONE, IF YOU CAN EXPRESS WHY YOU THOUGHT HE WAS THE TOP CHOICE AND THOSE OF YOU WHO THOUGHT THAT RANDY LIEPA WAS NUMBER ONE, WHY YOU THOUGHT HE WAS THE TOP CHOICE. AND WE WILL RATHER THAN GOING AROUND THE TABLE, IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT, LET’S JUST DO OUR NORMAL JUMPING IN BACK AND FORTH. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD PROCESS?>>ALTHOUGH, CAN WE TALK ABOUT BOTH? GOOD THINGS ABOUT BOTH?>>YES, ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE SO IF YOU COULD SHARE IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE OVER THE OTHER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.>>I CAN START. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID TO US AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS WAS THAT WE ARE SELECTING THE BEST FIT FOR THE POSITION OF STATE SUPERINTENDENT IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. AND SO WITH THAT BEING THE LEAP LINE, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IN MY MIND AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD AND LISTENED TO, RANDY IS THE RIGHT FIT FOR THIS TIME IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. HE HAS A PROVEN RECORD OF LEADERSHIP. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT HIS, I CAN SEE EXUDING OUT THAT PEOPLE, HE’S A PEOPLE PERSON. HE IS A PERSON THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AND THEY WORK ON PROJECTS AND THEY COME WITH SOLUTIONS. THAT’S WHY I ASKED HIM AT THE END, TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR COLLABORATIVE STYLE BECAUSE TO ME RANDY IS COLLABORATIVE, MR. COLLABORATIVE. AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH HIM, MICHELLE INCLUDED AT THIS TABLE, WAS THAT THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER. THAT HE WAS ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. TO ME THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES BECAUSE AS A STATE SUPERINTENDENT, THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THIS PERSON HAS TO HAVE. BE A COLLABORATIVE LEADER AND BE A LEADER THAT’S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. I THINK IN THIS POSITION YOU HAVE TO EAT A LOT OF HUMBLE PIE AND BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE WITH MANY DIFFERENT EDUCATIONAL MINDS. SO RANDY IS DOING THAT ALREADY. HE DID IT AS A SUPERINTENDENT, NOW AS WAYNE RESA SUPERINTENDENT AND HE IS ALSO DOING IT WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE AND MANY EDUCATIONAL STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. HE’S ALREADY WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT. HE’S READY TO FIT INTO THE POSITION AND AGAIN I SAY HE IS THE RIGHT FIT AT THIS TIME TO BE THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.>>I WANT TO COMMENT ON BOTH JUST SORT OF SIDE BY SIDE FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED TODAY. I SHOULDN’T DO ALL THE ONES I’VE CIRCLED BUT I THINK 3 AND 11 ARE PRETTY KEY. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ENROLLMENT DECLINE. THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE ANSWERS, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE POSITIVES ON BOTH SIDES. I FEEL LIKE WHAT I HEARD MORE FROM MICHAEL WAS CONTINUE TO EDUCATE. BUT THEN WE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS, SPECIFIC IDEAS, ON HOW TO TACKLE ENROLLMENT DECLINE AND ADDRESS IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHICH I THINK IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL. SO I FEEL LIKE AS A STATE SUPERINTENDENT, KNOWING THAT THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES AND IT’S A LONG PROJECTED ISSUE, HE BROUGHT REALLY SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS TO THE TABLE TODAY.>>WHEN YOU SAY HE, YOU’RE REFERRING TO?>>RANDY BROUGHT REALLY SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS TO THE TABLE TODAY. THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE’S ALREADY EVEN ADDRESSED IN WAYNE RESA, AND THE DISTRICTS THAT HE’S BEEN A SUPERINTENDENT IN. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CANDIDATES. AND THEN QUESTION 11 WHEN WE TACKLED SPECIAL EDUCATION I THOUGHT THIS WAS, AND THIS COULD BE TALKED OUT, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING TO TAKE NOTE OF. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE APPEALS PROCESS? AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM MICHAEL IS THAT IT SHOULD BE BROKEN INTO THREE TIERS. AND THIS IS JUST A SIDESTEP FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A PARENT OF A CHILD WITH A DISABILITY HAVING DEALT WITH INSTITUTIONAL DIFFICULTY IN ACCESSING SERVICES IN HEALTHCARE. BUT WHEN YOU MAKE A PROCESS WITHIN A SYSTEM SO DIFFICULT TO ACCESS AND LONG AND ARDUOUS YOU’RE ASKING FOR THE PARENTS TO BURN OUT OF ENERGY PRETTY QUICKLY. SO I FEEL LIKE WHEN HE SAID THREE TIERS IT JUST FELT LIKE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO TOP, YOU’RE DEAD. AND THEN YOU HEAR NO AGAIN. SO HOW IS THAT HELPFUL IN CREATING BETTER OUTCOMES WHEN WE’RE AT THE BOTTOM? AND THEN I HEARD FROM RANDY, HE SAID WE NEED TO STREAMLINE IT. WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROCESS SHORTER AND MORE ACCESSIBLE. SO I GUESS THAT’S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO HEAR AS A PARENT FROM A SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENT AND CHILD WITH A DISABILITY IS I WANT YOU TO COME IN AND TIGHTEN THIS PROCESS UP. SO THAT I CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEND A WHOLE LOT LESS TIME BURNING MYSELF OUT AS A PARENT AND HAVE MORE ENERGY AND EFFORT JUST TO LOVE ON MY KIDS. SO I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE REALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN THEIR RESPONSES TO THAT ONE QUESTION. AND THEN ALSO YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF SPECIAL EDUCATION ADVOCATES THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT APPRECIATING LOCAL CONTROL ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS BUT SOMETIMES LOCAL CONTROL IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHEN MICHAEL SAID BRING IT BACK TO THE LOCALS, LET THEM HASH IT OUT, IT CAN BE A BLOODY BATTLE WHEN YOU’RE HASHING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OUT SO YOU NEED ADVOCATES IN THAT AREA. AND I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THE THINGS THAT I’M SAYING BUT STILL I FELT LIKE THOSE ANSWERS WERE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. AND I APPRECIATED WHAT RANDY HAD TO SAY. AND THEN OTHER POSITIVE THINGS, JUST NOT SIDE BY SIDE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT I THOUGHT RANDY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT STUDENT LOAN DEBT, I JUST WANTED TO JUMP ON THE TABLE LIKE YAY, GOOD JOB. BECAUSE THAT’S REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE’RE GOING TO DECREASE STUDENT LOAN DEBT, AND ESPECIALLY FOR EDUCATORS AND HE WAS THE FIRST AND FOREMOST PERSON TO DISCUSS THAT WHEN YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BECOME EDUCATORS YOU DON’T WANT THEM TO GO INTO THEIR PROFESSION WITH MORE DEBT THAN THEY CAN EVEN FINANCIALLY MANAGE. SO THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE ALREADY HAS IDEAS. I FAILED TO ASK THAT QUESTION AT THE END. SO THAT’S WHAT I HAVE FOR NOW.>>I’LL SAY THAT, TO START WITH MR. RICE, I DIDN’T HAVE ANY VOTES FOR HIM, BUT THERE WERE MANY THINGS THAT I LIKED ABOUT WHAT HE SAID AS FAR AS I AGREE WITH HIM, WE’RE BURNING THROUGH A LOT OF MONEY ON OVERHEAD. I DON’T WANT TO CONSOLIDATE BECAUSE I THINK THE DISTRICTS, I DON’T WANT TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR TRYING TO PUSH THAT, AND I DON’T THINK HE WAS EITHER BECAUSE I THINK THERE’S STILL LOCAL CONTROL ISSUES. THE MORE THERE’S CONSOLIDATION, THE LESS PARENTS ARE CLOSER TO THE DECISION MAKERS. BUT I DO LIKE THAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY FROM AN ADMINISTRATOR SAYING THAT THERE’S TOO MUCH OVERHEAD IN THE SYSTEM. I THINK WE NEED MORE MONEY IN THE CLASSROOM. I WAS GLAD THAT HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR HE OPPOSES THE THIRD GRADE RETENTION. HE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PARENTS AND OPTING OUT. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND TYPING ISSUES AND JUST THAT MAYBE TESTING ON COMPUTERS IS NOT THE BE ALL TO END ALL AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE OPTIONS. I THINK HE’S RIGHT THAT SOMETIMES IT’S REALLY TESTING TYPING SKILLS AND ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY AND IT’S NOT ABOUT WHAT THE KIDS KNOW NECESSARILY. SO THERE WERE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT I LIKE. RANDY THOUGH IS THE ONE I GAVE MORE OF MY VOTES TO. HE SPENT 12 MINUTES OR 13 MINUTES ON NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A LOT OF TIME. BUT I REALLY RECOGNIZE THAT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE I SPOKE TO A LOT OF DISTRICT LEADERS IN AFFLUENT DISTRICTS. THEY PRETTY MUCH SAID, I JUST WANT THE STATE TO LEAVE US ALONE. WE’RE DOING FINE, WE’RE DOING WELL, WE’VE GOT THINGS THAT WE’RE DOING, WE JUST WANT TO… IT’S THE AREAS THAT, IT’S THE REASON WHY I PUSHED FOR PARTNERSHIP SCHOOLS TO BE ALWAYS IN FRONT OF US AT EVERY MEETING MONTHLY. I THINK THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE FOCUS ON AS A STATE. AND IT SHOULD BE TO HELP, NOT TO MAKE THEIR ISSUES MORE PROBLEMATIC BUT TO HELP. AND I REALLY THINK RANDY, BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE AT THE LOCAL AND AT THE ISD REALLY CAN APPRECIATE WHAT A STATE COULD DO WITHOUT INTERFERING IN THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE STRUGGLING. HE MENTIONED THE AUDITS, WHICH I WORKED WITH ELLEN LIPTON AND WORKED ON ISD KIND OF GOING IN AND HELPING AUDIT AND HELPING SCHOOLS THAT WANT IT. IT WAS CLEAR IF THEY DON’T WANT IT, THAT’S FINE. AND REALLY HELPING UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE. SO I THINK THAT BACKGROUND OF KNOWING HOW TO NOT INTERFERE BUT TO HELP THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING. THEY ARE STRUGGLING BUT I’M STILL NOT SURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ACHIEVEMENT GAPS, IF IT’S ALL TEST-BASED I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF GAPS THEY ARE IF IT’S ALL TEST-BASED THAT WE MEASURE THOSE. HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT INCENTIVE. IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT ON THE CTE, HE TALKED ABOUT THE INCENTIVES THAT NEED TO GET RIGHT BECAUSE IF A DISTRICT LOSES MONEY BECAUSE A KID GOES TO A PLACE WHERE THE CHILD WANTS TO GO THAT THE WRONG INCENTIVES ARE THERE. THE PERVERSION OF INCENTIVES I FOUND WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT GOES ON IN GOVERNMENT. TO GET THOSE RIGHT IS KEY. IT’S WHY I WORKED SO HARD ON INDIGENT DEFENSE, CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE, ALL THINGS THAT I CROSSED OVER THE AISLE AND WORKED ON WITH A LOT OF DEMS WAS BECAUSE IT’S ALL ABOUT INCENTIVES. SO I APPRECIATE THAT HE UNDERSTANDS AND WILL WORK ON GETTING THE INCENTIVES RIGHT. AND IF THE INCENTIVES ARE WRONG THE SYSTEM IS GONNA BE WRONG. HE WAS STRONG ON THE PARENTAL RIGHTS, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED. SO FOR THESE AND OTHER AREAS I THINK HE’S THE RIGHT PERSON, THAT’S WHY I’M SUPPORTING HIM.>>JUDY.>>SURE. FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT ALL THREE CANDIDATES DID A WONDERFUL JOB TODAY AND ANY CANDIDATE’S GONNA HAVE STRENGTHS AND POSSIBLY AREAS WHERE MAYBE THEY DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION AS FULLY AS WE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO. EACH ONE OF US I KNOW IS GONNA HAVE OUR OWN KIND OF THINGS THAT WE’RE LOOKING AT. ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AS I LISTENED TO RESPONSES WAS SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. SPECIFIC WAYS IN WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL HAD MADE A DIFFERENCE OR WAS MAKING A DIFFERENCE. THE LEADER, IT’S NOT ONE PERSON THAT CAN DO ANY OF THAT. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WAS A SUPERINTENDENT FOR SIX YEARS SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES A TEAM AND SOME THINGS THAT THE LEADER, THEY HAVE TO SET THE PACE, THEY HAVE TO SET THE TONE. I BELIEVE THAT DR. RICE IS DOING THAT IN KALAMAZOO AND WOULD DO THAT HERE AT MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. HIS RESPONSE TO HIS FIRST QUESTION WAS VERY THOROUGH. HE HAD NINE DIFFERENT POINTS OF THINGS THAT HE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT HE FELT AS THOUGH THE STATE OF MICHIGAN NEEDED TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT AND WORK ON IN ORDER TO MAKE SYSTEMIC CHANGE ACROSS THE BOARD. HE TALKED ABOUT EARLY CHILDHOOD, HE TALKED ABOUT CTE, HE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS TABLE ABOUT ALL THE TIME. SO I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT RESPONSE. THE RESPONSE TO THE SECOND QUESTION, WE WERE LOOKING FOR OR THE QUESTION ASKED ABOUT WHAT SORTS OF POLICIES AND WHAT SUCCESS HAD HE HAD. SO HE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE DATA AND THE SUCCESSES THAT THEY’RE SEEING IN KALAMAZOO. AGAIN, THEY’RE NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE OR WHERE THEY WANT TO BE. I WAS ESPECIALLY IMPRESSED WITH HIS DISCUSSION ABOUT AP COURSES. I WAS ALSO A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER AND MANY TIMES IN MANY HIGH SCHOOLS, UNFORTUNATELY, AND I THINK IT’S STILL THE CASE, STUDENTS ARE IDENTIFIED, OH, YOU’RE AP BECAUSE THEY GOT AN A IN MATH LAST YEAR OR WHATEVER. AND I THINK THE TONE AND THE APPROACH IS DIFFERENT. AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE LEADERSHIP AND YOU HAVE TO SAY IS THAT TONE BEING SET BY THE LEADERSHIP AT THAT POINT. WHEN HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HE UNDERSTANDS I THINK THE COLLABORATION. I KNOW HE UNDERSTANDS COLLABORATION. HE TALKED ABOUT INSTRUCTION. HE BROUGHT IN READING NOW, WHICH I KNOW KALAMAZOO HAS NOW BECOME PART OF. THEY WEREN’T ONE OF THE EARLY ADOPTERS. HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE IN THE CLASSROOM WITH HIGH QUALITY TEACHERS AND WILL SUPPORT THAT. I BELIEVE HE SAID DURING HIS INTERVIEW HE HAS WORKED WITH THE UNION IN KALAMAZOO AND THEY CURRENTLY ARE AT $40,000 COMPENSATION FOR THEIR STEP 1 TEACHERS OR THEIR NEW TEACHERS COMING IN, WHICH IS AT LEAST THE HIGHEST IN THAT AREA. I DON’T KNOW STATEWIDE WHETHER IT IS OR NOT. HIS EXPERIENCE BEING A TEACHER, EVEN AS A SUPERINTENDENT, THE FACT THAT I HAD ALSO BEEN A TEACHER WERE THINGS THAT I WAS ABLE TO RELY ON. TO THINK BACK ABOUT DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE CLASSROOM. THIS OBVIOUSLY IN THIS POSITION IS A MUCH BIGGER SCALE BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT EXPERIENCE WILL BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR ANYONE WHO IS GONNA SIT IN THE SEAT. THERE’S MULTI-STATE EXPERIENCE ALSO AND MULTI-ROLE EXPERIENCE. HE’S BEEN A TEACHER, A DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, AND SUPERINTENDENT. SO THERE’S KIND OF THAT OVERALL EXPERIENCE LEVEL. I THINK WE ALL KNOW AND WE’RE ALL FRUSTRATED WITH IT, THAT UNFORTUNATELY MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION DOES NOT SIT DOWN WITH A BLANK SLATE AND ABLE TO SET THEIR OWN BUDGET. THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, I’M LOOKING AT SHEILA, BUT I THINK I’M CORRECT ON THIS, THE BUDGET IS KIND OF GIVEN TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE STAFF ARE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PRIORITIES AND WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE AT THAT POINT. FINANCE IS IMPORTANT, THERE’S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT TO HAVE THAT SENSE OF INSTRUCTION, HAVE THAT FINANCE BACKGROUND, AND THE MULTI-STATE BACKGROUND TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING JEANIE, DR. SWIFT, HAD ALSO, THOUGH IT WAS JUST IN COLORADO. I KNOW ALL OF THE CANDIDATES HOLD THEMSELVES TO HIGH STANDARDS. I APPRECIATED THAT IN ALL THREE OF THEM. BUT IN DR. RICE’S CASE, HE HOLDS HIMSELF TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT HE HOLDS OTHERS TO, OR THAT’S AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD IN MANY OF HIS RESPONSES. SO AGAIN, AT THIS POINT IN MICHIGAN’S HISTORY WHERE WE ARE SO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ACHIEVEMENT GAP, THOSE QUESTIONS ONE AND TWO I THINK WERE VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. THEY WERE ALL IMPORTANT BUT TO ME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WERE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. I FELT AS THOUGH DR. RICE HAS THE PLAN AND WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND EXECUTE THAT PLAN WITH THE TALENT THAT IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF ED.>>I’D LIKE TO GO NEXT. YEAH, THERE’S THINGS I LIKED A LOT ABOUT BOTH AND THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION. BUT I– AT THIS POINT, I AM LEANING TOWARDS MICHAEL RICE. SOME OF THE REASONS WHY IS BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED BUT ALSO BECAUSE HE SEEMED TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO IDENTIFY THE CORE OF A PROBLEM AND THEN HAVE SOLUTIONS AND HE HAS A TRACK RECORD OF ACTUALLY GETTING THE STUFF DONE. HE DOESN’T JUST SAY HOW HE WOULD CLOSE THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, HE’S CLOSING THE– HE’S DOING STUFF THAT IS ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE AND WORKING. SO THAT, TO ME, WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. SO HIS ABILITY TO HAVE THIS SORT OF CRITICAL THINKING, WHICH MAYBE PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO HEAR SOMETIMES AND THEY TAKE THAT AS OFFENSIVE OR WHATEVER. I TAKE IT AS COURAGEOUS AND HAVING THE LEADERSHIP TO VOICE THESE THINGS EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE POPULAR OR MIGHT BE SEEN AS CRITICISMS OF SOMEONE ELSE’S POSITION. BUT I THINK IT’S WHAT WE NEED, SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT LEVEL OF FOCUS TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM AND JUST SORT OF MOVE FORWARD AND GETTING IT DONE. SO I LIKED THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT HIM. WHAT I LOVED ABOUT RANDY WAS HIS FOCUS ON THE CLASSROOM, HIS IDEA OF HAVING TIME FOR TEACHERS TO COLLABORATE. REALLY MAKING SURE THAT IT’S, HE BROUGHT UP FOR ACHIEVEMENT GAPS TO LOWER THE CLASS SIZES FOR WHERE YOU NEED TO HAVE IT AND PUT YOUR STRONGEST LEADERSHIP. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS SPOT ON. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER AND I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO THEY BOTH HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS. THEY BOTH HAVE VERY THOUGHTFUL AND HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD IN THE FIELD FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE A VARIETY OF EXPERIENCES. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT MICHAEL HAS OUT OF STATE EXPERIENCES IN DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL. I LIKE THE FACT THAT HE HAS REGULAR MEETINGS WITH TEACHERS AND STUDENTS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND PARENTS. HE SEEMS TO REALLY LISTEN. I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THE TIERED THING WITH THE SPECIAL ED. IF IT WAS GONNA PROLONG THE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND, SOMETIMES IN MY JOB, SOMETIMES YOUR BEST SOLUTIONS ARE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO A COMPLAINT IT TAKES LONGER AND IF YOU JUST START IT AT THE BOTTOM SOMETIMES IT’S THE BEST. BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN’T DO THAT. SOMETIMES YOU DON’T HAVE A DISTRICT THAT’S WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU. AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT I DID LIKE THE FACT THAT HE CLEARLY SAID HE SUPPORTED THE PARENT’S RIGHT TO APPEAL A DECISION BEFORE THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE MORE COMPLICATED LAWYER DUE PROCESS HEARINGS AND THAT THEY GIVE IT ONE MORE SHOT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON THE TABLE AND REACH A RESOLUTION. I THINK THAT WAS IMPORTANT. SO THAT’S IN GENERAL WHERE I’M LEANING AND WHY.>>I’M STILL WRITING NOTES. I’M STILL LISTENING. GO AHEAD.>>OKAY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I AM LEANING TOWARDS MICHAEL RICE. I THOUGHT RANDY DID A VERY GOOD JOB. I THINK HE PARTICULARLY, TO YOUR POINT NIKKI, HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK WITH QUESTION NUMBER THREE. WHEN I WROTE THIS QUESTION, I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT AS WHAT DOES THE STATE ECONOMY NEED TO LOOK LIKE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK IN THE STATE. THAT WASN’T THE INTENTION OF MY QUESTION BUT I NOW REALIZE THAT THAT’S HOW PEOPLE SAW IT. BUT I THINK HE ACTUALLY SAW IT THE WAY I INTENDED IT SO HE ANSWERED IT THE WAY I THOUGHT SOMEONE WOULD ANSWER IT. SO I DID LIKE THAT. BUT I’M LEANING MORE TOWARDS MICHAEL RICE FOR MANY OF THE REASONS THAT BOTH MICHELLE AND JUDY MENTIONED. ONE, I THOUGHT HIS ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER ONE WAS REALLY IN DEPTH AND THAT TELLS ME THAT HE REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO THINK THROUGH THAT VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. I ALSO, I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT HE HAS EXPERIENCE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. I THINK IF WE’RE GOING TO TURNAROUND MICHIGAN, WE NEED TO START BRINGING SOME IDEAS FROM OUTSIDE. WE CAN’T JUST BE HOMEGROWN ALL THE TIME. WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. SO I REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT HE BRINGS THAT TO THE TABLE. SO I JUST THINK THAT ULTIMATELY I THINK THAT HE HAD SOME VERY, VERY GOOD IDEAS AND EXPRESSED HIMSELF VERY WELL AND BRINGS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. SO THAT’S WHERE I AM.>>YOU WANT ME TO GO?>>YOU STILL WRITING?>>GO AHEAD.>>YOU CAN GO.>>RANDY LIEPA. AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE HAVE THREE STRONG CANDIDATES TODAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO BRENDA [ INDISTINCT ], I THINK WE SHOULD CONGRATULATE BOSTON IN GETTING AN AWESOME PICK THERE. BUT GOING TO RANDY, I REALLY, I WAS IMPRESSED BY HIS ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER 10 AND THAT WAS AROUND IMPLEMENTING TECHNOLOGY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO USE TECHNOLOGY BUT MAKING SURE THAT TEACHERS ARE ADEQUATELY TRAINED. MAKING SURE THAT TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT REPLACE TEACHERS BUT THAT WE LEARN HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UTILIZE TECHNOLOGY IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY. THERE WERE MANY THINGS THAT I COULD SAY ABOUT RANDY. I THINK THAT MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY POINTED TO HIS STRONG SUITS AND THE THINGS THAT HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TODAY. I WANT TO JUST TRANSITION TO DR. RICE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I’VE BEEN JUST WRITING AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED, AND I MIGHT HAVE USED THE WRONG WORD BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE MISQUOTED HIM BECAUSE I SAID THAT HE SAID THE LAST TIME THAT HE WAS PUSHY. AS I WENT THROUGH MY NOTES, HE MIGHT HAVE USED A DIFFERENT WORD BUT I THINK HE GOT THE SENTIMENT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING. AND I THINK THAT AS ALL OF US HAVE BEEN HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WE’VE BEEN GETTING DIFFERENT CALLS. SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED WITH EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT NOW AND ONE OF THEM FOR ME WAS AN EDUCATOR AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISAGREEMENTS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY HAVE ALL HAD THE SAME GOAL IN MIND AND THAT’S TO EDUCATE CHILDREN, MAKING SURE THAT CHILDREN ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT THEY’RE DOING AND HOW DR. RICE HAS PUSHED. HE PUSHES TO GET URGENT ISSUES ADDRESSED. AND WE’VE SEEN THAT. I REMEMBER WHEN THE 38 SCHOOLS A FEW YEARS AGO, BEFORE THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL CAME INTO PLAY, SO I REMEMBER HIM SHOWING UP AT THE LEGISLATURE, AND BEING VERY COURAGEOUS, AND SPEAKING VERY BOLDLY, AND HELPING ALL OF US IN THAT WAY TO KEEP THOSE 38 SCHOOL DISTRICTS ALIVE THAT NOW IS THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL. OTHER CRITICAL ISSUES THAT HE REALLY UNDERSTANDS AND CAME ACROSS TODAY WAS AROUND THE TEACHER SHORTAGE. THAT’S A REAL ISSUE IN THESE DISTRICTS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE KNOW IS WE HAVE GOOD TEACHERS WHO ARE PASSIONATE, THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO, THEY ARE QUALITY TEACHERS. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO FOR THEIR STUDENTS BUT WE CAN’T HOPE AWAY THAT THAT’S AN ISSUE. IT IS A REALITY THAT TEACHERS ARE HAVING TO TEACH TO A TEST STILL. NO MATTER WHAT TRANSITIONS WE’RE MAKING NOW, WE STILL HAVE TEACHERS WHERE, TOM WHERE STUDENTS ARE BEING STARVED OF THEIR ABILITY TO BE CREATIVE BECAUSE, AT THE EXPENSE OF PROGRAMS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP THEM TO EXPRESS THAT CREATIVITY AND GROW THAT CREATIVITY. WE HAVE TEACHERS THAT ARE STILL UNDER THE THREAT OF CLOSURE IF THEY DON’T GET THEIR ASSESSMENT SCORES ABOVE. AND I THINK AND I KNOW, IT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED HERE AS WELL AS TALKING TO OTHERS AND SEEING HIM BE PASSIONATE ABOUT THESE BEFORE THIS POSITION EVEN CAME ABOUT THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS WHOLE TEACHING TO THE TEST. THE WHOLE ASSESSMENT ISSUE THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME AT THIS TABLE. I THINK HIS QUESTION AROUND THE A THROUGH F QUESTION, HE HAS NOT CONCEDED. I THINK THAT HE STILL HAS SOME FIGHT THERE WHERE HE WANTS TO GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND FIGURE THIS THING OUT AND THAT HE KNOWS THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE WORK SO HARD WITH BRIAN AT THE HELM AND THAT HE FEELS THAT THAT’S A GOOD SYSTEM AND THAT THAT’S A SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE, IN THESE DUELING SYSTEMS, THAT THAT’S A SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN MUCH MORE THOUGHT OUT THAN WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THROUGH LEGISLATURE. SO I APPRECIATED THAT. I’VE WATCHED HIM BUILD A TEAM. NOT TO MENTION HE HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM SAGINAW AT HIS TEAM. SO I’VE SEEN HIM GET GOOD, TALENTED FOLKS ON HIS TEAM. I LIKED HIS QUESTION AROUND CHOICE. HE SAID YES, PARENTS SHOULD HAVE CHOICE BUT WITHIN DISTRICTS. MAKING SURE THAT WE BUILD UP OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEMS WITHIN DISTRICTS SO PARENTS CAN CHOOSE. THEN HIS RESPONSE TO ACHIEVEMENT GAP. THAT HE’S NOT JUST LOOKING AT TRENDS THAT ARE IN COMPARISON TO THE STATE BUT LOOKING AT THE SUBPOPULATIONS. MAKING SURE THAT AS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVEMENT THAT NO SUBPOPULATION IS LEFT BEHIND. AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE SUBPOPULATIONS, THOSE RACIAL, ETHNIC, SOCIOECONOMIC, ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS, OR OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS. BUT MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE IS BEING LEFT BEHIND AS WE LOOK TO IMPROVE EDUCATION. AND SO… AGAIN, I’LL JUST END WITH THIS, HIS THOUGHTS ON THE PATH FORWARD TO ME WERE CLEAR. I THINK THAT IN ADDITION TO JUST BEING IDEAS THAT HE HAD PUT THESE THINGS INTO PRACTICE AND IT WAS QUITE EVIDENT IN WHAT HE SAID HERE. JUDY, AS YOU SAID, IS KALAMAZOO PERFECT? NO. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HE HAS EVIDENCE, NOT ONLY HERE AND, AS YOU SAID MICHELLE, OUT OF STATE AS WELL IN MICHIGAN WHERE HE CAN SHOW PRACTICE OF A PATH FORWARD. SO MY CHOICE IS DR. RICE.>>TIFFANY.>>AS ONE OF THE NEWEST BOARD MEMBERS, FIRST I WANT TO THANK RAY AND ASSOCIATES FOR HELPING US WITH THIS PROCESS AND OUR INTERIM SUP FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS AS I COME TO YOU ABOUT THE PROCESS AND MY BOARD MEMBERS FOR YOU ALL BEING OPEN AND HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS AT ALL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT CHILDREN FIRST AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT STAKEHOLDERS AND THE CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. AND MDE AS WELL BECAUSE THIS PERSON IS GOING TO LEAD THEM SO IT’S A LOT OF WEIGHT. BUT I FEEL BETTER TODAY THAN I DID THE LAST TIME WE WERE AT THIS TABLE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DEEPER DIVE AND GETTING TO HEAR MORE FROM THE CANDIDATES. I THINK THAT RANDY DID A BETTER JOB THIS TIME OF CONVEYING SOME OF HIS TALENTS. IT’S OBVIOUS THAT HE HAS CONNECTIONS. I’VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS, AND TEXTS, AND EMAILS ABOUT EVERYBODY BUT MORE SO HIM. AND I’VE GOTTEN PROS AND CONS ABOUT EVERYBODY. I LIKED HIS ABILITY TO RECRUIT COLLABORATION AND BRIDGE BUILDING. I THINK THAT’S AWESOME. AND IT’S OBVIOUS THAT HE’S DONE A LOT OF THAT IN WAYNE COUNTY AND I THINK WAYNE COUNTY IS A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF THE STATE. I THINK THAT IT HAS THE URBAN, RURAL, SUBURBS, THE IMPOVERISHED AREAS, THE WEALTHY AREAS. HE REALLY SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE A GRASP ON LOBBYING. I LIKE THE FACT THAT HE GOT THE MILLAGE PASSED. IT’S REALLY HARD FOR ME BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM I FELT LIKE BROUGHT A LOT TO THE TABLE TODAY. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE I’M LEANING TOWARDS MICHAEL RICE. I DO LIKE, AS JUDY STATED, WHICH I NOTICED AS WELL, HE HAS THE MULTI-STATE EXPERIENCE AND I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT. HE HAS THE LOCAL GRASP OF THE STATE AND THEN HE ALSO HAS INNOVATIVE IDEAS TO BRING IN FROM OUT OF STATE, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT AND IMPRESSIVE. I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS DIVERSE COMMUNITIES AS WELL. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID WAS VERY INNOVATIVE. AND HE ALSO PASSED THE MILEAGE FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION. I THOUGHT THAT THE THREE-TIERED SYSTEM FOR ME WAS MORE SO NOT RED TAPE BUT MORE SO RESPECT OF LETTING THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES DEAL WITH IT FIRST AND IF THEY CAN’T HANDLE IT, THEN IT GOES UP. SO I ACTUALLY LIKED THAT APPROACH. AND THEN QUESTION NUMBER ONE, WHICH YOU POINTED OUT, STOOD OUT TO ME AS WELL. RANDY BROUGHT UP ABOUT TEACHERS WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE QUALIFIED AND WELL-TRAINED, DEFINITELY LIKED THAT. AND HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE THE ONTARIO MODEL, WHICH WAS VERY GOOD. AND HE REFERENCED AGAIN THE TOP 10 IN 10 POLICY OPPORTUNITIES. I LIKE THE FACT THAT MICHAEL RICE BROUGHT ACTUALLY NINE DIFFERENT WAYS, HE BROUGHT A LOT WITH THAT. GREATER INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC EDUCATION. HE CONCENTRATED ON ECE AND THE FACT THAT WE NEED THREE-YEAR-OLDS IN THE CLASSROOM AND FULL-DAY OPPORTUNITIES. HE ALSO BROUGHT UP RELATIONSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS BETWEEN BUSINESS AND EDUCATION. IT WAS A LOT. SO BOTH OF THEM HAD VERY STRONG QUALITIES BUT I’M GOING TO LEAN TOWARDS MICHAEL RICE.>>SO IF I HAVE COUNTED THIS CORRECTLY–>>AND I WILL SAY MY ONE CONCERN WITH HIM WAS KIND OF HIS REFERENCES TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF HE IS SELECTED THAT HE HAS GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH EVERYONE, STRONG RELATIONSHIPS.>>SO BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS, AS OF NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FIVE FOR MICHAEL AND THREE FOR RANDY. SO ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?>>I DO.>>YES.>>I WOULD BE VERY REMISS IF I DON’T SAY WHAT THE PEOPLE TOLD ME ABOUT DR. RICE’S STYLE, LEADERSHIP STYLE. AND THIS COMMENTS CAME FROM SUPERINTENDENTS ALL OVER THE STATE. IT CAME FROM LEADERSHIP WITHIN KALAMAZOO. IT CAME IN FROM MY COMMUNITY, THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY FROM KALAMAZOO. IT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE FROM KALAMAZOO. AND SO… WHATEVER HAPPENS, I WANT TO GET THIS OFF MY CHEST BECAUSE WHAT THEY’RE SAYING ABOUT HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO WHO’S THE RIGHT FIT FOR THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TOLD, AND ALSO BY TEACHERS, THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT. A LOT OF TEACHERS CALLED ME. NOW ONE OF THE THINGS, I WANT TO START WITH THE TEACHERS. THE TEACHERS INFORMED ME THAT THEY WENT ON A BLACK STRIKE, DEMONSTRATION BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE A CONTRACT. SO THEY ALL WORE BLACK. THEY MET AT MILLER AUDITORIUM, WHICH IS AT WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, AND IT WAS A SILENT MARCH. THEY ALL WENT TO THE BALCONY AND HE WAS SPEAKING IN THE FRONT SO THEY WERE ALL WEARING BLACK, VERY SILENT, LISTENING TO HIM IN THE BALCONY. AND THEN SO THEN AT THE END OF THE– HE DIDN’T FINISH, HE ASKED EVERYBODY TO GO TO THEIR BUILDINGS, THAT’S ONE. ANOTHER TEACHER TOLD ME THAT HE IS ALIGNED TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. THAT HE IS FIRST IN COMMAND AND HE’S THE LAST ONE IN COMMAND. IN OTHER WORDS, HE’S GOT ALL THE COMMAND. ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY TEACHERS IS THAT HE HAS CULTIVATED A CLIMATE OF FEAR WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ANOTHER COMMENT THAT THE TEACHERS TOLD ME WAS THAT YES, HE HAS MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH PARENTS, STUDENTS, TEACHERS, ET CETERA, BUT HE SPEAKS 95% OF THE TIME AND THAT WHEN THEY COME OUT WITH WHAT IS, BECAUSE I THINK THE OBJECTIVE IS TO FIND OUT WHAT’S NOT HAPPENING IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HOW CAN THEY IMPROVE IT TOGETHER. BUT HE DOES 90 OR WHATEVER PERCENT OF THE TALKING AND THEY NEVER DO GET WHERE THEY HOPEFULLY, COLLECTIVELY WERE GONNA GET. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY IT’S HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND, HE IS THE FIRST ONE AND THE LAST ONE. ANOTHER THING THAT THEY SAID THAT HE CONTROLS THE CONVERSATION SO THEREFORE, HE IS THE VOICE THAT’S GOING TO BE HEARD. HE IS THE ONE THAT DRIVES WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS GONNA BE AND WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE GONNA BE. THEY TOLD ME THAT COLLABORATION IS NOT TRULY IN PRACTICE. IT’S IN WRITING, IT’S IN HIS PRESENTATIONS, BUT IN ESSENCE COLLABORATION DOES NOT OCCUR WITH EVERYBODY IN THE SYSTEM. THEY TOLD ME THAT HE CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. HIS TOP MANAGEMENT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THEIR SCHOOL BOARD AND SO THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. THEY HAVE TOLD ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT IF HE BECOMES THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT, THEY’RE GOING TO START HAVING A BIG STREET PARTY BECAUSE THEY’RE GONNA BE VERY HAPPY THAT HE’S GOING TO LEAVE. SO THESE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I’VE BEEN HEARING FROM MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND IT’S JUST NOT ONE PERSON, IT’S NOT ONE GROUP, IT’S MANY GROUPS. SO THE SUPERINTENDENTS WORK REAL CLOSELY WITH EACH OTHER AND SO THEY HAVE TOLD ME, MORE THAN ONE SUPERINTENDENT, MANY FROM MY SIDE OF THE STATE, YOU KNOW I’M FROM GRAND RAPIDS. MANY FROM THAT SIDE OF THE STATE AND SOME FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE. SO THEY ALSO COLLABORATE THAT HE–>>OKAY, I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB FOR PRESENTATIONS. RUNNING SES COLLABORATION DOES NOT–>>DOES NOT OCCUR THAT THE CONVERSATION IS, HE WANTS TO CONTROL. HE’S A CONTROL FREAK, HE’S A MICROMANAGER. A BUILDING CAN NOT HAVE A FIELD TRIP WITHOUT HIM SAYING YES, THEY CAN GO ON A FIELD TRIP. SO THIS AND MANY MORE COMMENTS BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT CAME TO MIND AND I WROTE DOWN. NOW WHATEVER HAPPENS, I GOT THESE OFF MY CHEST AND I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT YOU WOULD HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TOLD ME.>>YES.>>I FEEL LIKE THAT’S A BUNCH OF HEARSAY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP WELL AHEAD OF TIME. AND IF YOU HAD THOSE QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THEM. I’M FEELING INCREDIBLY ANGRY THAT YOU WOULD SLANDER THIS MAN’S NAME AND TALK ABOUT THIS. I ASKED YOU FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THIS, YOU GAVE ME ONE PERSON TO CONTACT. I HAVE CONTACTED SEVERAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING TEACHER ORGANIZATIONS. THEY HAVE ALL SAID HE IS A GOOD CANDIDATE AND THEY SUPPORT HIM BEING THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT. SO I’M GETTING INFORMATION COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM YOU.>>WELL TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.>>I AM SAYING, NO, BUT THAT’S WHY THEY CALL IT HEARSAY. SO I THINK, I JUST THINK THAT IT IS WRONG TO GO ON AND ON WITH RUMORING AND TO SAY THESE THINGS WITHOUT HIM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A REBUTTAL. I’M SURE YOU FEEL BETTER>>I ASKED THE QUESTION. I ASKED THE QUESTION.>>WELL YOU DID NOT GO ON AND ON ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AS YOU DID JUST NOW.>>I ASKED THE QUESTION.>>AND I THINK IT’S SOUR GRAPES. I THINK IT IS UNFAIR AND UNWARRANTED. LIKE I SAID, I’VE TALKED TO THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS WHO HE’S WORKING WITH, I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT SUPPORTIVE THINGS. I’VE ASKED YOU FOR THE CONTACTS. I’VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT YOU TALKED TO, THAT’S ALL I’VE GOT. SO I DON’T KNOW, AND WHO I CALLED AND WHO NEVER CALLED ME BACK. SO I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT HE’S ACCOMPLISHED, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HIS CREDENTIALS, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HIM IN THE LIGHT THAT WE HAVE SEEN HIM, AND IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET AND TALK TO AND NOT SECONDHAND INFORMATION FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS ANONYMOUS. I DON’T THINK THAT THAT’S FAIR.>>I’LL JUST SAY THAT, LUPE, I DID SPEAK WITH– I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS A COLLEAGUE OF DR. RICE WHO WAS A FORMER SUPERINTENDENT AND THEY SANG HIS PRAISES. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I’VE GOTTEN A CALL FROM A COUPLE OF EDUCATORS THAT WORK IN HIS SYSTEM NOW. I’VE GOTTEN WORD FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SENT WORD TO ME WHO WORK WITHIN HIS SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT THE EDUCATOR THAT I, ONE OF THEM, THAT I WILL SAY THAT I SPOKE WITH EMPHASIZED THAT HAVE WE ALWAYS SEEN EYE TO EYE, NO. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE’VE WORKED THINGS OUT. AND THEY SOUGHT ME OUT TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THIS PERSON, DR. RICE. THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT IT’S GOING TO BE A HUGE LOSS. THEIR ONLY ONE REGRET IS THAT IT’S GOING TO BE A HUGE LOSS FOR THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT IF HE WAS SELECTED.>>NIKKI AND THEN TIFFANY.>>SO JUST, AND THIS MIGHT BE LIKE TAKING IT OFF TRACK TOO. JUST BECAUSE IT’S NOW COMING TO MIND AFTER A QUESTION WE ASKED DR. SWIFT.>>DR. SWIFT.>>WE DID AND THIS IS NOT PERTAINING TO HER, BUT IT’S PERTAINING TO DR. RICE. THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I’VE REALLY TRIED TO JUST FOCUS ON THE QUALIFICATIONS OF EACH CANDIDATE AS A STATE SUPERINTENDENT VERSUS BUILDING UPON THEIR LOCAL EXPERIENCE. BUT THEN ALSO NOT ATTACHING EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS THEM. BUT THERE IS A CASE THAT FOLLOWED DR. RICE WHICH HAD TO DO WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT WITH A PRINCIPAL THAT WAS IN THAT SCHOOL. AND I DO FEEL LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE WE’VE ALREADY MADE OUR DECISION AND YOU SAY AT THE END OF THE DAY HE’S WILLING TO WORK WITH US. IT CONCERNS ME HOW MUCH, OBVIOUSLY I APPRECIATE TEACHERS, BUT IT CONCERNS ME HOW MUCH WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ONLY THEM IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE I THINK THERE’S JUST, AND I’M NOT SAYING ONLY THEM AS IF WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT KIDS. BUT THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT FOLLOW EACH ONE OF THE CANDIDATES. WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH DR. RICE. I JUST HOPE THAT IF WE DO CHOOSE HIM THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN HIS PAST, WE’LL DEAL WITH THAT. THIS PARTICULAR CASE WAS AT THE LOY NORRIX HIGH SCHOOL WHERE HIS INITIAL REACTION TO SEXUAL ASSAULT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PRINCIPAL WAS THAT IT DIDN’T HAPPEN OR THAT IT DIDN’T FOLLOW HIM BUT THAT IT HAPPENED IN A COUPLE OF OTHER STATES, GEORGIA AND ALABAMA, BEFORE HE CAME TO MICHIGAN. SO ANYHOW, I’M JUST HOPING THAT IN THE END THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER ON EVEN THAT LEVEL TOO BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT OF IT NOW AFTER YOU SAID, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION. AND WE DID ASK THAT TO DR. SWIFT. I DIDN’T BRING THAT UP IN HIS INTERVIEW BECAUSE I WAS JUST HOPING TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE END ON A PROCESS WHERE WE WILL LOOK OUT FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF ALL STUDENTS AND CONSIDER THE WHOLE EQUATION, THE FULL CONVERSATION. IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN WWMT WEST MICHIGAN WHERE HE MENTIONS THAT THERE’S NOTHING FOUNDING THAT BEHIND THIS EDUCATOR AND THEN A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THERE ACTUALLY IS. AND HE SAYS IT’S THE PROCESS THAT THEY FOLLOWED THAT THEY DIDN’T FIND THAT INFORMATION WHEN THEY HIRED THAT PRINCIPAL. SO JUST AT THIS POINT THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP PROCESSES THAT [ AUDIO DROPS ]>>WELL, THAT WAS PRETTY DISTURBING. BUT I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I HEARD PROS AND CONS ON EVERYBODY. SOME OF THE CONS WERE REALLY BAD FOR EVERYBODY. I’M CONCERNED NOW, THOUGH, ABOUT THAT, WHAT NIKKI JUST BROUGHT UP.>>CAN I RESPOND TO WHAT IT IS TO CLARIFY? I READ THE ARTICLE AND LISTENED TO THE NEWSCAST. THEY HIRED A PRINCIPAL FROM OUT OF STATE WHO WAS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT. HE WASN’T CONVICTED AND IT SOUNDED TO ME FROM LOOKING AT IT, THAT THE SUIT MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN FILED WHEN THEY HIRED HIM.>>CORRECT.>>SO THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT, NOT ASSAULT, HARASSMENT CASE. THEN THEY PUT HIM ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. HE TOOK FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIXING THE PROCESS. THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY LOOK OUT OF STATE THEY HAVE TO DO A MORE THOROUGH PROCESS. AND HE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. SO IT WAS AN ALLEGATION OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT AGAINST A PRINCIPAL THEY HIRED FROM OUT OF STATE. AND I DON’T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE SUIT.>>SO YEAH, CAN YOU ELABORATE ANY MORE?>>I’LL GIVE YOU WHAT WE KNOW. AND HONESTLY WE ENDED UP, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE BRING YOU 10 OR 12, THE ONES THAT KIND OF SURFACE IN THE FIRST ROUND, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL REVIEWERS. SO THE ONLY THING THAT CAME UP FROM A REVIEWER WHO HAPPENED TO EXPLORE IT WAS THAT BASICALLY WHAT MICHELLE HAS DESCRIBED. THEY HIRED THE PERSON AND THEN IT CAME TO LIGHT. THEY PUT HIM ON LEAVE SO THEY COULD GO CHECK IT OUT. THERE WERE NEVER CHARGES FILED AND IT NEVER MATRICULATED TO ANYTHING ELSE IN ALABAMA.>>NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT HIS TEACHING CERTIFICATE WAS DISCIPLINED IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES. SO MAYBE IT WASN’T A CONVICTION BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.>>OKAY, WE DIDN’T SEE THAT, NOT ON THE PRINCIPAL–>>THIS IS THE PRINCIPAL.>>THIS IS IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.>>NIKKI, I HAVE FULL RESPECT TO THAT. I’M JUST TELLING YOU WHEN WE LOOKED INTO THAT SPECIFIC INCIDENT, THAT’S WHERE WE STOPPED BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT THE TEACHER OR THE PRINCIPAL. THAT IS WHAT WE FOUND. WE FOUND IT AND NOTHING OCCURRED AND THERE WAS THE PIECE ABOUT THAT HE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY. I DON’T HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT, BUT ONCE THERE IS NO REASON TO DO ANYTHING, THAT IT DIDN’T OCCUR, WE LEFT IT ALONE. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE’VE HEARD, SO THE ONLY THING I’LL SAY ON ALL THREE OF THEM IS THAT WE ASKED THE QUESTION OF ALL THOSE CONSTITUENT GROUPS, IS THERE ANYBODY YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND. IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE THEM, IT COULD BE ANYBODY. AND NUMEROUS NAMES, MANY OF WHOM PROBABLY WOULDN’T QUALIFY, IN ALL HONESTY, SOME DO. ALL THREE OF THEIR NAMES SURFACED IN A POSITIVE LIGHT. WE DO ASK THE QUESTION AND KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE THE GROUPS THAT ARE THE ASSOCIATIONS OF EDUCATORS AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS, BUSINESS GROUPS. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THERE WERE 24 GROUPS AND 32 PEOPLE. BUT WE DIDN’T GET ANY NEGATIVES FROM ANY OF THOSE THREE IS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE WE ASKED THE SECOND QUESTION, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT, AND DON’T TELL US, JUST WRITE IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER. WE DON’T ASK ANYBODY TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT YOU THINK SHOULDN’T OR THAT YOU WOULD HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT AND NONE OF THESE THREE SURFACED IN ANY OF THOSE CASES. AND I’M NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY, I’M JUST GIVING YOU ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA. I THOUGHT WE SHARED THIS WITH YOU WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH TO PICK OUT THE FIVE ANYWAY.>>WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?>>NO, WE TALKED ABOUT FACTS LAST TIME.>>I GOT THEM, I MEAN THEY’RE RIGHT HERE SO THEY’RE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM.>>THEY’RE ON THE LOCAL KALAMAZOO WEBSITE. AND AGAIN, I WASN’T BRINGING THEM TO THE TABLE TODAY BUT THEN SOMEBODY DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT DR. SWIFT AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT, AND I THOUGHT I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD DO THE SAME THING AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE CLEAR. AND TO HIRE SOMEBODY WHOSE TEACHING CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN DISCIPLINED OR SUSPENDED IN THREE OTHER STATES, EVEN IF YOU DO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S A DECISION AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT THE NEXT STATE SUPERINTENDENT, ESPECIALLY BEING A STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WITH MSU AND THE SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE IS READY AND PREPARED TO TACKLE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.>>SO AS A NEW BOARD MEMBER, BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I’VE WONDERED ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG PROCESS AND US PICKING SOMEBODY, WHAT IF THAT PERSON DOES NOT WORK OUT? WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT?>>WE HAVE EVALUATIONS. [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ]>>ARE YOU SAYING WHAT IF THEY TURN DOWN THE JOB OR ARE YOU SAYING, OH, OKAY, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A BOARD. AND WE DO DO ANNUAL EVALUATIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT.>>AND IF I MAY ADD ONE OTHER THING, THERE’S A CLAUSE IN YOUR AGREEMENT WITH RAY AND ASSOCIATES THAT IF THIS DOESN’T WORK OUT WITHIN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, IF YOU WANT US TO, WE WOULD DO A FOLLOW-UP SEARCH FOR FREE. THE TWO THINGS THAT WE PROMISE, EXTRA THAT’S NOT TYPICALLY ASKED FOR, ONE IS THAT IN EVERY ONE THAT WE DO. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THAT WE COME BACK AND ACTUALLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CANDIDATE AND THE BOARD PRESIDENT A YEAR FROM NOW JUST TO ASSESS IT. AND IF THERE’S ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT WITH THEM OR THERE’S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU WANT US TO DO, WE OFFER THAT AS WELL.>>SO I JUST WANT TO SAY TO LUPE’S COMMENTS, I THINK WE’VE ALL HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF. I’VE NOT HEARD ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU’VE MENTIONED. AND I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT DR. RICE WAS NAMED THE MICHIGAN SUPERINTENDENT OF THE YEAR BY THE MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF SUPERINTENDENTS AND ADMINISTRATORS AND CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG BUT DON’T THEY SELF-SELECT THEIR– [ AUDIO DROPS ] SO I THINK THAT’S A GOOD BENCHMARK OF WHAT OTHER SUPERINTENDENTS FEEL ABOUT HIM. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS–>>WELL ACTUALLY, I’VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SELECTION OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE YEAR, AND IT’S NOT JUST SUPERINTENDENTS, IT’S OTHER PEOPLE. THERE’S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT THEY HIRE. I MEAN THEY DON’T HIRE, THEY ASK US TO SERVE.>>OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS. SO I’M GOING TO ASK, HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR VOTE?>>WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO FORMALLY VOTE.>>NO, NO, NO, THIS IS BEFORE WE DO A MOTION. BECAUSE OUR MOTION HAS TO SAY THIS IS THE PERSON WE’RE MOVING FORWARD SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO THAT IS. SO WE WERE AT 5-3. SO THE QUESTION IS HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR MIND ABOUT WHO THEIR TOP CANDIDATE IS?>>CAN WE JUST GO AROUND AND SAY WHO ABOUT WHO THEIR TOP CANDIDATE IS?>>EXCUSE ME AND WHY IS THIS AT THE BOTTOM FOR?>>THAT’S FOR HIM TO CALCULATE.>>I ALREADY DID IT.>>NOT FOR US TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.>>NO, NO.>>OKAY.>>OKAY, PAM, DO YOU WANT TO–>>I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND A ROLL CALL. OR NO?>>WE’RE NOT OFFICIALLY VOTING YET.>>OH, OKAY, I’M SORRY.>>I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. ABOUT THIS LITTLE BOX DOWN HERE. SO WHEN WE, SO MICHAEL RICE AND THEN PEOPLE SAY WHAT NUMBER THEY WANT OR WHAT?>>NO, YOU ALREADY DID THAT.>>LUPE, THAT’S NOT FOR THE BOARD, THAT’S FOR HIM.>>OH, THAT’S NOT FOR US. [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ]>>WE DON’T NEED TO USE THAT ANY MORE. PAM, DO YOU WANT TO START?>>SURE, DR. MICHAEL RICE.>>DR. RICE.>>DR. RICE.>>DR. RICE.>>DR. LIEPA.>>RANDY.>>DR. RICE. SO WE ARE STILL AT 5-3. CAN WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS POINT?>>I MOVE THAT WE EXTEND A CONTRACT TO DR. MICHAEL RICE TO BE THE NEXT MICHIGAN STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS.>>SUPPORT.>>AND HOLD ON, I’M GONNA ADD TO THAT, AND AUTHORIZE THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO WORK TOWARD SUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATION OF FINAL CONTRACT.>>YEAH, ALL OF THAT.>>IT’S BEEN MOVED AND SUPPORTED. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL?>>I WOULD THINK SO, BUT CAN DISCUSSION BUT I’M ONLY VOTING, I’M FINE WITH THE DECISION. I’M JUST GONNA VOTE NO BECAUSE I WANTED THE OTHER PERSON, NOT BECAUSE I, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY REASON I WOULD VOTE NO.>>IF I MAY PARAPHRASE JUST SO THAT WE’RE CLEAR, YOU’RE VOTING NO BECAUSE YOU WANTED RANDY, NOT BECAUSE YOU’RE VOTING NO ON MICHAEL. IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO SAY?>>RIGHT.>>I JUST WANTED THE CLARIFY.>>THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE.>>I WOULD ECHO THAT AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE WHOLE THAT I HOPE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER WELL WITH MICHAEL AND EVERYBODY PUTS KIDS FIRST.>>MARILYN, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE?>>FECTEAU?>>YES.>>MCMILLIN?>>NO.>>PRITCHETT?>>YES.>>HUGH?>>YES.>>RAMOS-MONTIGNY?>>NO.>>SNYDER?>>NO.>>TILLEY?>>YES.>>ULBRICH?>>YES.>>5-3.>>OKAY, SO THE MOTION CARRIES. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER LAST MINUTE COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS? KEEPING IN MIND YOU ARE HOLDING US ALL UP.>>I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I THINK YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB>>YES, THANK YOU, CASANDRA. [ APPLAUSE ]>>YES, THANK YOU, CASANDRA.>>GREAT JOB, AGAIN, CAN NOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE CANDIDATES. THE PROCESS, THE GRUELING PROCESS AND THEN WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THEIR NAME BEING PUT OUT THERE. SO I HOPE THAT THEIR HOME DISTRICTS, THOSE WHO WERE NOT SELECTED, KNOW WHAT A TREASURE THEY HAVE.>>HERE, HERE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT AND THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO THE CANDIDATES WHO PUT THEMSELVES FORWARD AND DID THIS, NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES BUT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE SO STRONGLY IN EDUCATION AND THE KIDS IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.>>CASANDRA, IF I MAY, JUST REAL QUICK. I KNOW I’M HOLDING YOU UP.>>THAT’S OKAY.>>NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF RAY AND ASSOCIATES. IS I COMMENTED ABOUT THE RESPECT AND THE PROFESSIONALISM YOU ALL EXHIBIT WHEN YOU’RE WORKING TOGETHER AND WE’VE SEEN LESS OF THAT ON OTHER OCCASIONS BUT THERE’S MUCH TO BE APPLAUDED. AND YES, YOU HAD A REALLY, REALLY OUTSTANDING POOL. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THIS SHOWED YOU IS HOW CLOSE ALL FOUR OF THEM WERE. SO THOUGH BRENDA MAY BE HEADING TO THE NORTHEAST, OBVIOUSLY IT WASN’T AS IF RANDY LIEPA WAS A POOR CHOICE. SO TO HAVE FOUR LIKE THAT, AND WE’LL TAKE ONE COMPLIMENT THAT WE DID OUR JOB, WE DID NOT MAKE YOUR LIFE EASY, AND THAT IS OUR JOB. BUT I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ALL AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS TWO TIMES IN A ROW. THAT’S VERY HEARTFELT SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND TO MARILYN, WHO HAD TO PUT UP WITH US ON ONE SIDE. [ APPLAUSE ]>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>AND THOUGH SHE DID IT VERY QUIETLY AND VERY INFREQUENTLY, SHEILA WAS A GREAT GUIDEPOST FOR CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL.>>YES. [ APPLAUSE ]>>THANK YOU.>>AND LET’S ALSO THANK SHEILA FOR STEPPING INTO THIS ROLE LAST YEAR. [ APPLAUSE ]>>SO FUTURE MEETING DATES. TUESDAY, MAY 14TH IS THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING, WEDNESDAY, MAY 22ND IS THE BOARD RETREAT, AND TUESDAY, JUNE 11TH IS THE REGULAR BOARD MEETING. AND WITH THAT…

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