Michigan State Board of Education Meeting for May 14, 2013 – Morning Session


>>WELL, GOOD MORNING.>>GOOD MORNING.>>GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. WE HAVE A LARGE GROUP TODAY. IT’S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE VISITORS TO THE STATE BOARD OF ED MEETING, AND I THINK YOU’LL BE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE KIND OF WORK THAT THE BOARD IS INVOLVED IN, AND THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE TODAY. THE TIME IS NOW 9:37 AND A QUORUM OF THE BOARD IS PRESENT. THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING OF MAY 14, 2013 IS HEREBY CALLED TO ORDER. THE FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING– AS WE MENTIONED TO THE BOARD– ACHIEVE IS A GROUP THAT WE WORK WITH IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR SCIENCE STANDARDS BE APPROPRIATE, AND WE WEREN’T ABLE TO COMPLETE THE LOOP WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT ACHIEVE NEEDED TO GET TO US, SO WE’RE RECOMMENDING THAT ITEM K BE REMOVED FOR TODAY AND POSTPONED UNTIL NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE NEXT GENERATION SCIENCE STANDARDS.>>I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, ABSENT ITEM K.>>SUPPORT.>>MOVED BY JOHN, SUPPORTED BY RICHARD. DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?>>AYE.>>OPPOSED, SAME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MERTZ, PLEASE.>>THANK YOU. I’D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PEOPLE AT THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION TABLE TO YOU. TO MY IMMEDIATE LEFT IS MIKE FLANAGAN. HE’S CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. TO HIS LEFT IS JOHN AUSTIN, PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD. MR. AUSTIN RESIDES IN ANN ARBOR. NEXT TO HIM, CASANDRA ULBRICH, FROM ROCHESTER HILLS. SHE’S THE BOARD’S VICE PRESIDENT. DAN VARNER, FROM DETROIT, IS THE BOARD’S SECRETARY. NEXT TO HIM IS LUPE RAMOS-MONTIGNY. SHE’S FROM GRAND RAPIDS. NEXT TO HER, ALSO FROM GRAND RAPIDS, IS THE MICHIGAN TEACHER OF THE YEAR, WHO SITS AT THE BOARD TABLE. FOR THIS YEAR IT IS BOBBI JO KENYON. SHE TEACHES AT OTTAWA HILLS, IN THE GRAND RAPIDS PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. SHE’S A MATH/ SCIENCE TEACHER. AS WE GO ACROSS THE TABLE, EILEEN WEISER, FROM ANN ARBOR, BOARD MEMBER. KATHLEEN STRAUS, FROM DETROIT, BOARD MEMBER. MICHELLE FECTEAU, FROM DETROIT– SHE’S THE BOARD’S NASBE DELEGATE. IT’S THEIR ASSOCIATION: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STATE BOARDS OF EDUCATION. NEXT TO ME IS RICHARD ZEILE, AND HE’S FROM DEARBORN, AND HE’S THE BOARD’S TREASURER. THANK YOU.>>AND LUPE, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR HIGH HONOR OF GETTING A DOCTORATE, HONORARY DOCTORATE FROM FERRIS STATE THIS WEEKEND, AND WE’RE ALL VERY PROUD OF YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] AND DID YOU MENTION YOU HAD SOME SPECIAL GUESTS THAT WERE HERE?>>YES, I DO. CAN I INTRODUCE THEM AT THIS TIME?>>SURE, ABSOLUTELY.>>YES. I’D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO EVERYONE MY BROTHER, REVEREND DR. ISMAEL LOA RAMOS, AND MY SISTER, ELVA CANTU, FROM CALIFORNIA– AND MY BROTHER IS FROM TEXAS. [ APPLAUSE ]>>THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I’M GOING TO– AND WE EDUCATORS CALL THIS AN ANTICIPATORY SET. WE’RE GETTING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, BUT I’M GOING TO TRY TO BRIEF THE BOARD AND OTHERS THAT ARE INTERESTED ON SOME UPDATES RELATED TO BUENA VISTA AND PONTIAC SCHOOLS AND OTHERS A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS MORNING. SO, OUR FIRST ITEM TODAY– NOT SURE WHY THIS ONE IS HERE. EXCUSE ME FOR BUMBLING THROUGH THIS FOR A MOMENT. OKAY, THANKS MERTZ. YOU CAN TELL WHO’S REALLY IN CHARGE HERE, AND MERTZ DOES SUCH A TREMENDOUS JOB ON KEEPING US ON TASK. THIS WAS JUST A NOTE TO REMIND ME THAT OUR INTENT TODAY– BUT WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO OUR BUSINESS FIRST, BUT THE IDEA TODAY IS THAT AT 3:00 THIS AFTERNOON, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A RECEPTION FOR RETIRING DEPUTY SALLY VAUGHN. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST SHOULD SAY NOW– I’LL HAVE A CHANCE LATER ALSO, BUT– SALLY’S THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL. I’VE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH HER FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND NOT ONLY IS SHE GREAT AT HER WORK, BUT SHE’S ALSO THE KIND OF PERSON THAT VERY– HUMBLE IS THE WORD I WOULD USE. DOESN’T SEEK CREDIT, IS A TEAM WORKER. WORKS WITH HER DIRECTORS IN SUCH A GREAT WAY. IT WILL BE VERY MISSED. AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH A PRETTY INTENSIVE SEARCH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, THAT I TOOK A CHANCE ON SOMETHING I’VE NEVER DONE. I’VE BEEN A SUPERINTENDENT OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER FOR 25 YEARS NOW– LOCAL SUP, AND INTERMEDIATE AND NOW THIS– AND DECIDED THAT THIS WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT JOB AND WE’RE TRYING TO BE INCLUSIVE THAT WE GAVE EVERYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT’S CALLED A PAPER SCREENING OF THE CANDIDATES. AND THERE WERE LOTS OF CANDIDATES FROM INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT. AND BY PAPER SCREENING, THAT IS, ANYONE WHO WORKS AT MDE WAS ABLE TO COME IN AND KIND OF LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK AND RATE FOLKS. AND THEN WE, FROM THAT, TOOK THE TOP TEN CANDIDATES. AND I HAD AN INTERVIEW COMMITTEE THAT LOOKED AT THE TOP TEN CANDIDATES AND RECOMMENDED TWO TO ME. SO I WANT YOU REALLY TO GIVE THANKS TO SALLY VAUGHN AND ALSO WELCOME THE PERSON WHO WILL TRY TO FILL HER SHOES, WHICH IS DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT FOR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, VENESSA KEESLER. SO IF BOTH OF YOU WOULD STAND, PLEASE. SALLY FIRST AND– [ APPLAUSE ] SO WE’LL HAVE MORE TIME TODAY TO HAVE FUN WITH SALLY HERE, ESPECIALLY. [ LAUGHTER ] AND WE HAD, AS I SAID, GREAT– I WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THAT PROCESS– WHICH I WOULD RECOMMEND TO FOLKS. IT WAS A LITTLE RISKY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, “WELL, WHAT IF–” I DON’T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE THIS, BUT WHAT IF ONE PART OF THE ORGANIZATION HAD CERTAIN FOLKS REALLY HIGHLY RATED AND ANOTHER PART DIDN’T, AND HOW DOES THAT COME OUT IN TERMS OF A TOP TEN TO BE INTERVIEWED? AND I THINK IT’S REALLY A TRIBUTE TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THE FOLKS THAT WORK HERE THAT THE CONSISTENCY WAS JUST RIGHT THERE. NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, THERE WAS REAL CONSENSUS AROUND THE TOP TEN CANDIDATES. ALMOST TO A PERSON. AND WE HAD ABOUT 35 FOLKS THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF BEING PART OF THAT PROCESS. SO AFTER I SENT THE NOTE OUT THAT DAY, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I WENT HOME TO MY WIFE AND I SAID, “I DON’T KNOW “WHAT WE’VE OPENED UP HERE.” BUT IT REALLY TELLS YOU, YOU CAN BE INCLUSIVE, YOU CAN TRUST PEOPLE TO– NO MATTER WHAT THEIR STATION IS IN AN ORGANIZATION– TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND END UP WITH A REALLY GOOD RESULT. AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATORY SET– LATER TODAY, WHEN WE KIND OF ANNOUNCE HOW WE’RE GOING TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON– AND WE BELIEVE IT’S A VERY INCLUSIVE MODEL AND OPEN. I THINK YOU’LL BE IMPRESSED, AND WE LOOK FOR YOUR COMMENTS, AT THAT POINT, AS A BOARD. SO WITH THAT IN MIND ACTUALLY, I THINK WE’RE GOING TO INVITE– ARE WE INVITING BOTH SALLY AND VENESSA DOWN TO THE– SALLY, NO– WE’RE INVITING SALLY, ALONG WITH PATTY CANTU AND BOB RICHARDS. AND I’M GOING TO LET THEM INTRODUCE MORE FORMALLY OUR FRIENDS FROM STOCKBRIDGE. THIS– LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO AREN’T NORMALLY AT STATE BOARD MEETINGS, THIS IS A TREAT FOR US BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ALMOST 2 MILLION CHILDREN THAT THE BOARD HAS ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IN THIS STATE, WE DON’T GET TO SEE THEM ALL THAT OFTEN. SO YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THEM JOIN US AT A TABLE HERE TODAY IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US. AND IT’S ALSO GOING TO BE– LET’S JUST SAY THIS– STOCKBRIDGE WAS IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT ON RADIO RECENTLY, BECAUSE OF A SERIES OF SOUNDBITES REGARDING THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES PROVIDED FOR STUDENTS IN A RURAL DISTRICT. THE FAMILIES OF STOCKBRIDGE SCHOOL DISTRICT RELY ON THE SCHOOLS FOR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD THEIR FUTURE BY KEEPING EXPECTATIONS FOR STUDENTS HIGH AND PROVIDING A SPRINGBOARD TO SKILLED EMPLOYMENT AND HIGHER EDUCATION. THIS MORNING, WE’RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT A UNIQUE CAREER TECH PROGRAM AT STOCKBRIDGE HIGH SCHOOL THAT DOES EXACTLY WHAT THIS BOARD AND I AS SUPERINTENDENT ENCOURAGED BACK IN 2005 WHEN WE PUSHED FOR THE MICHIGAN MERIT CURRICULUM, AND THAT IS INTEGRATING INSTRUCTION AND ACADEMICS INTO CAREER TECH TO PROVIDE AN EXCITING EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS. I WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF LEARNING MATH IN A CAREER TECH SEQUENCE, AND THAT OPTION WASN’T AVAILABLE THEN. I LEARNED IT IN A TRADITIONAL– WELL, LET’S SAY I TRIED TO LEARN IT IN A TRADITIONAL ATMOSPHERE. SO IT’S REALLY– JOHN AUSTIN, AS PRESIDENT, AND SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS CAME UPON THIS AND ENCOURAGED US TO BRING THE STOCKBRIDGE FOLKS TO THE TABLE HERE. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I THINK I’LL TURN IT OVER TO SALLY VAUGHN TO INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS AND TO KICK OFF THE BOARD MEETING.>>YEAH. SO WE ARE DELIGHTED TO HAVE STOCKBRIDGE HERE, TO REALLY SHOW US WHAT THEY’VE BEEN DOING AND REINFORCING WHAT MIKE SAID. I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN EXEMPLAR OF HOW YOU APPLY ACADEMICS TO REAL LIFE LEARNING, AND IT’S JUST BEEN A PLEASURE TO SEE HOW THEY’VE BEEN DOING THAT. AND ALSO LEARNING THOSE SOFT SKILLS THAT WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT– THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN DIFFERENT TEAMS TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AS THEY GO THROUGH DEVELOPING AND MARKETING PRODUCTS. SO I’M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO PATTY. AND SINCE SHE’S BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, THAT SHE’LL DO THE INTRODUCTIONS.>>YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR THIS MORNING ABOUT A ROBOTICS PROGRAM, WHICH IS PART OF THE STEM CAREER CLUSTER: SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND MATHEMATICS. BUT THERE’S ALSO A VERY POWERFUL HISTORY LESSON INVOLVED HERE. IT’S A VERY POWERFUL EXAMPLE OF PROJECT BASED LEARNING AND ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES OF CTE. SO THERE’S BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY INVOLVEMENT, THERE’S CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. IT INVOLVES THE COMMUNITY AND INVOLVES A VERY UNIQUE, WORK BASED LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS. SO MR. RICHARDS AND HIS STUDENTS ARE HERE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, PLEASE?>>THANK YOU, PATTY, SALLY, AND DR. FLANAGAN. MY NAME IS BOB RICHARDS AND I’M ACTUALLY THE BUSINESS AND TECHNOLOGY TEACHER AT STOCKBRIDGE HIGH SCHOOL. BUT WE DIGRESSED INTO ROBOTICS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL OF OUR STUDENTS. I’D LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND TO HAVE MY STUDENTS INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND THEIR ROLE ON THE ROBOTICS TEAM AND IN THE CLASS.>>HI, I’M JEREMY SPINK. I’M ON THE ENGINEERING TEAM AND I’M A SOPHOMORE.>>HI, I’M KARLY KRUGER, I’M A SOPHOMORE AND I’M ON THE MARKETING TEAM.>>I’M CHLOE HYPES, I’M A SOPHOMORE AND I’M ALSO ON THE MARKETING TEAM.>>HI, I’M JENNY SPINK. I’M A SENIOR, SECOND RETURNING MEMBER AND I’VE BEEN LEADING OUR MARKETING SIDE.>>I’M BUCK POSZYWAK, I WAS THE ENGINEERING LEADER FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.>>AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE’LL BE SOME TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWER AT THE END OF OUR PROGRAM. AND YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THESE STUDENTS WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE FUTURE. ONCE YOU LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE ONE THOUGHT, BUT THEN ASK THEM WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING AND SEE WHAT THIS PROGRAM HAS DONE FOR THEM. OKAY, SO WE ARE THE STOCKBRIDGE ADVANCED UNDERWATER ROBOTICS CLASS AND TEAM. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE RUN OURSELVES AS A TEAM MORE THAN A CLASS. OUR CLASS RUNS YEAR ROUND. THIS CLASS, THIS GROUP OF TEN STUDENTS, BEGAN THE SCHOOL YEAR BACK IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR WITH SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS. WE MET INFORMALLY A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER PIZZA IN JULY. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT– WE MET FOR A BARBEQUE IN CHELSEA, MICHIGAN WITH A GROUP CALLED THE BENTPROP PROJECT. EARLIER IN THE DAY, WE HAD LUNCH WITH PATTY AT THE SYNERGY SUMMIT AT EASTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY AND THEN ALSO, THIS EVENING, WE MET WITH A WORLD WAR II VETERAN WHO FOUGHT AT THE BATTLE OF PELELIU, REVEREND LEW TOWLER FROM ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN. SO THE BENTPROP PROJECT IS A GROUP OF PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS– IT’S A NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION– THAT’S TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO SEARCH FOR MISSING AIRMEN FROM WORLD WAR II IN THE PALAU ISLANDS. SO FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF DR. PATRICK SCANNON, THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS HAS SELF-FUNDED THE SEARCH FOR MIAs IN THE PALAU ISLANDS, IN PARTICULAR AROUND THE BATTLE OF PELELIU. AND THEY’VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. THEY’VE RETURNED 15 MIAs BACK TO THE STATES AND BACK TO THEIR FAMILY FOR A PROPER BURIAL, AND THE SEARCH CONTINUES. THERE’S STILL ABOUT 35 FINDABLE AIRCRAFT IN PALAU THAT ARE STILL MIA AND HAVE MIA CREWS FROM WORLD WAR II. AND WE CALL THEM “FINDABLE” BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THEY’RE INSIDE THE BARRIER REEF AND THAT’S DIVEABLE FOR US. OUTSIDE THE BARRIER REEF, IT DROPS OFF TO 4,000 FEET. BUT INSIDE THE BARRIER REEF, WE CAN FIND THOSE AIRCRAFT.>>WHILE IN PALAU, WE HOOKED UP WITH SCRIPPS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY– OCEANOGRAPHY, ACTUALLY. WHILE IN PALAU LAST YEAR, WE SAW HOW THEY WORKED WITH THEIR AUVs, WHICH IS AUTONOMOUS UNDERWATER VEHICLES. AND THEY DO SEARCH PATTERNS WITH SIDE SCAN SONAR AND THEN THEY RELAY THE TARGETS THAT LOOK MAN-MADE OFF TO BENTPROP, AND THEN WE GO OUT WITH BENTPROP, WITH OUR ROV AND DIVE ON THESE TARGETS. UP ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THE SLIDE IS AN ACTUAL TARGET THAT WE DOVE ON THIS YEAR. LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE THE TAIL RUDDER OF THE B-24, WHICH IS OUR MAIN TARGET. AND SO THAT’S WHAT WE DOVE ON THAT DAY AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE AN UNKNOWN SHIPWRECK. SO WE MARKED THAT TARGET OFF– BECAUSE WE’RE MAINLY LOOKING FOR AIRCRAFT– AND MOVED ON WITH OUR SEARCH. WHILE– WE ALSO WORKED WITH EVAN WALSH, AND HE HEADED THE HEXACOPTER PROGRAM OF SCRIPPS. HE HAS THESE HEXACOPTERS TO FLY OVER THE LAGOONS OF PALAU, WHICH IS SHALLOWER, WHERE BOATS CAN’T REALLY REACH, AND IT’S JUST A BIG, LARGE AREA THAT NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE A HEXACOPTER TO SEARCH WITH. WE CONTACTED SQUARE ONE EDUCATION FOUNDATION AND THEY GRANTED US A $5,000 GRANT JUST TWO DAYS AGO SO WE CAN FUND OUR OWN HEXACOPTER PROGRAM, AND WE’RE GOING TO PURCHASE THREE OF THOSE SPECIFIC HEXACOPTERS, AS WELL AS TWO PARROTS FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.>>SO THESE ARE UNMANNED AERIAL VEHICLES, WITH THE BAD SIDE NAME OF “DRONE” THAT OUR STUDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO PROGRAM IN THE CLASSROOM USING THE SAME MICROPROCESSOR THAT’S IN OUR UNDERWATER ROBOT, AND USE THAT TO FLY SEARCH PATTERNS OVER THE MANGROVE SWAMPS AND KEEP US AWAY FROM THE SALTWATER CROCODILES. BUT IT’S A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE THAT WE’VE INTEGRATED INTO OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL AS WELL. WE TEACH ROBOTICS STARTING IN THE 3rd GRADE IN STOCKBRIDGE SCHOOLS. AND LAST NIGHT– HOPEFULLY JEREMY WILL TELL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR RELEASING SALMON INTO THE GRAND RIVER USING OUR ROVs AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ROVs.>>SO THE ENGINEERING TEAM HERE AT STOCKBRIDGE IS IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING WITH THE ROV, MOSTLY THE CONTROL SYSTEM, BECAUSE THAT’S ABOUT 90% ABOUT WHAT THE ROV IS. AND IT’S BASICALLY A SMALL COMPUTER ON THE TOP SIDE THERE YOU CAN SEE. AND THAT’S ALL IN THAT TOP HOUSING ON THAT ROV, AND IT’S COMPLETELY WATERPROOF.>>AND SO ON THE MARKETING TEAM, WE DEAL WITH PROMOTIONS AND RAISING THE MONEY TO GO TO PALAU. ONE OF OUR MAIN THINGS IS WE TRY TO GET OUR NAME OUT AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS IS SOCIAL MEDIA. SO WE UPDATE A FACEBOOK AND A TWITTER PAGE, SO IF YOU HAVEN’T LIKED US OR FOLLOWED US, THAT’S A GOOD IDEA. BUT IN PALAU, THE BEST WAY TO GET BACK TO YOUR FAMILY IS THROUGH FACEBOOK, SO THERE’S A LOT OF PICTURES UP THERE AND UPDATES ON WHAT WE’RE DOING. SO THAT’S LIKE THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT WHAT WE’RE DOING.>>SO CURRENTLY, OUR HIGH SCHOOL PAGE HAS 1,440-SOME LIKES. SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOLLOWING US FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND WE’RE BEING FOLLOWED BY TEAMS IN EGYPT, IN CHINA, JAPAN– EVEN COLUMBUS, OHIO. [ LAUGHTER ] SO ALL OVER THE WORLD– ARE FOLLOWING OUR TEAM AND ASKING OUR KIDS FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO BUILD THEIR ROBOTS. SO WHEN OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MESSAGES STOCKBRIDGE HIGH SCHOOL AND GOES, “HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH “THIS PROBLEM WITH “YOUR MICRO-CONTROLLERS?” PRETTY SATISFYING AS A TEACHER TO HAVE AN OHIO STATE STUDENT CALL MY STUDENTS UP AND ASK THEM HOW TO DO SOMETHING.>>THERE’S A JOKE IN THERE, BUT WE’RE LETTING IT GO. [ LAUGHTER ]>>SO THIS IS A PHOTO OF OUR ROV OVER A MARINE CORSAIR THAT WE FOUND LAST YEAR. IT WAS A FIGHTER PLANE FROM WORLD WAR II THAT WAS MAKING A BOMBING RUN OVER AN AMMO DUMP IN PALAU– IN PELELIU– AND SOME DEBRIS CAME UP AND HIT THE OIL COOLER OF THE AIRPLANE ITSELF AND CAUSED ENOUGH DAMAGE FOR IT TO MAKE A CONTROLLED LANDING TOWARDS THE BARRIER REEF. AND THE– CAPTAIN McCULLAH WAS THE PILOT OF THIS PLANE, AND HIS MISSION WAS TO– IF THEY WERE TO MAKE A CRASH LANDING– WAS TO GO TOWARDS THE REEF AND MAKE A CONTROLLED LANDING, WHICH IS WHAT HE DID. AND THE AIRPLANE ACTUALLY SITS ON THE SANDY BOTTOM IN PRETTY MUCH PRISTINE CONDITIONS, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNBELIEVABLE, BECAUSE THAT’S JUST– YOU DON’T EXPECT THAT FROM CRASHING A PLANE. WE– BENTPROP WENT DOWN WITH AN ARCHEOLOGIST AND THEY FOUND THE DATA PLATE OF THE AIRPLANE AND THEY CHECKED ON THE CRASH REPORT, AND THIS IS CAPTAIN McCULLAH’S AIRPLANE THAT HE MADE A CRASH LANDING. HE WAS IN THE WATER FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES BEFORE THE AMTRACS PICKED HIM UP AND TOOK HIM BACK TO THE BASE. HE’S LIVING, 91 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW, IN FLORIDA AND FLEW COMBAT MISSIONS THE NEXT DAY RIGHT AFTER THAT. IT’S CRAZY.>>SO ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS THAT THE STUDENTS DID WITH THEIR TECHNOLOGICAL ABILITY– THE OLD GUYS LIKE ME FROM BENTPROP WENT DOWN AND WERE ABLE TO GET A PICTURE OF THE DATA PLATE, BUT IT WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. SO THE STUDENTS– JENNY AND A COUPLE OF STUDENTS FROM LAST YEAR– PULLED IT INTO PHOTOSHOP, WERE ABLE TO CLEAN IT UP AND RAISE THE NUMBERS OFF THE DATA PLATE SO THAT THEY COULD GO TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND TRACK DOWN THE CRASH REPORT AND THE SQUADRON REPORTS FROM WORLD WAR II.>>AND WE WENT BACK THIS YEAR. OUR RETURNING SECOND MISSION. WE WERE INVITED BACK BY THE BENTPROP PROJECT AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENT OF PALAU. SOME OF THE NEW THINGS THAT WE HAD WITH US THIS YEAR IS WE INVITED TWO STUDENTS FROM THE DeWITT CREATIVITY GROUP FROM DeWITT HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY WERE OUR PERSONAL FILM CREW. THEY ARE– FILMED US WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING THREE 20-MINUTE SHORTS AND ANOTHER PERSONAL DOCUMENTARY. SO THEY FOLLOWED US AROUND THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS THE CREW SHOOTING FOR THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL. AND THEY WILL BE AIRING A SHOW FEATURING BUCK AND MYSELF IN– SEPTEMBER?>>YES.>>OKAY. THIS IS REVEREND LEW TOWLER. HE’S A RETIRED EPISCOPALIAN MINISTER AND HE LIVES IN ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN. AND HE WORKED IN ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN FOR YEARS. HE LANDED ON PELELIU, ON ORANGE BEACH, ON D+3. THAT’S SEPTEMBER 18, 1944, RIGHT BEHIND THE FIRST WAVE OF THE 1st MARINE DIVISION. LEW WAS ATTACHED TO THE 73rd SEABEE BATTALION AND HE REMAINED ON PELELIU FOR ALMOST A YEAR. IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER IS A PICTURE OF WHAT’S LEFT OF THE CHAPEL THAT THE 81st INFANTRY DIVISION MEMORIAL AND CEMETERY, JUST BEHIND ORANGE BEACH. LEW’S SEABEE BATTALION BUILT THAT CHURCH BACK IN 1944. IN THE CENTER, LEW IS READING THE LETTER FROM GENERAL RUPERTUS, 1st MARINE DIVISION COMMANDER, THAT SENT THE MARINES AND THE SEABEES AND THE ARMY ASHORE ON PELELIU FOR WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WEEKLONG MISSION THAT ENDED UP LASTING THREE MONTHS. AND ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS LEW ON ORANGE BEACH, WHERE HE LANDED AS AN 18 YEAR OLD BACK IN 1944. SO OUR STUDENTS GOT A CHANCE TO SPEND TIME WITH LEW ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND WALK THE BATTLEFIELD OF PELELIU FOR AN ENTIRE DAY. AND THEN LEW WAS THERE FOR A WEEK, AND THEY GOT TO HAVE DINNER WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND EVEN BEFORE WE WENT TO PELELIU. SO IT WAS QUITE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE. AND ONE OF THE 20-MINUTE SHORTS THAT THE DeWITT CREW IS CREATING IS ABOUT LEW AND HIS EXPERIENCES ON PELELIU, BOTH DURING THE WAR AND RETURNING AS A VETERAN NOW 87 YEARS OLD.>>EVERY MORNING, BEFORE WE WENT OUT ON THE BOAT, WE HAD A MILITARY STYLE BRIEFING IN THE MORNING. AND WE WOULD HAVE THE ROV PILOT FOR THE DAY AND THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF SAFETY GIVE THE BRIEFING. SO USUALLY BUCK AND JENNY WOULD TALK ABOUT WHERE WE WERE GOING FOR THE DAY, WHAT OUR PLAN WAS TO DIVE ON THE TARGET AND WHERE PEOPLE NEEDED TO BE AND WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO STAY SAFE ON THE BOAT.>>SO EVERY DAY WHEN WE WERE IN PALAU, BEFORE WE WENT OUT ON THE BOAT, WE TESTED THE ROBOT OFF THE DOCK. WHAT THIS DOES IS– IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYTHING’S WORKING BEFORE WE GO OUT SEVEN MILES ON THE BOAT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET OUT SEVEN MILES, YOU CAN’T JUST RUN BACK TO GET A WRENCH. [ LAUGHTER ]>>SO THIS IS THE SIZE OF THE BOAT THAT WE WORKED OFF. THIS ESSENTIALLY BECAME OUR CLASSROOM. WE LEARNED SO MUCH MORE STUFF ASIDE FROM JUST THE ENGINEERING AND THE MARKETING. WE BECAME MORE VERSATILE PEOPLE. JEREMY WOULD SPEND THE FIRST PART OF THE DAY GETTING US OUT THERE, WORKING WITH THE GPS AND THE GEOLOGICAL STUFF OF GETTING US OUT THERE. WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT CHECKLISTS THAT WE RUN THROUGH WITH OUR ROV CREW, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING’S SET UP. THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS OUR MONITORING SYSTEM. ALL THREE OF THOSE MONITORING CAMERAS ARE SET UP TO THE CAMERAS ON OUR ROV. THE CORDS COME UP THROUGH THE TETHER AND WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT THE ROV IS SEEING. THAT IS WHAT WE USE TO DRIVE OUR ROV. THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS OUR RECORDING SYSTEM. WE HAVE A MAC COMPUTER THAT WE GOT THROUGH A TOUCHSTONE ENERGY GRANT AND THEN THE SCHOOL’S DELL COMPUTER. [ LAUGHTER ] AND THESE RECORD ALL OF THE DATA FOOTAGE OFF OF THE ROV. THE LEFT-HAND CORNER IS OUR SYSTEM OF CHECKLISTS THAT MAKES SURE THAT WE’RE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY– THE ASSEMBLY IS CORRECT. ONCE WE’VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS IN THE HEAT, WE STARTED TO GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS. SO THIS JUST ENSURES THAT WE’RE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND APPROPRIATELY.>>AS JENNY SAID, THE TVs THAT WERE SHOWN IN THE LAST SLIDE IS OUR CONTROL SYSTEM AND WHAT WE DRIVE THE ROBOT OFF OF. I WAS THE MAIN PILOT FOR THE MOST TIME IN THE PALAU AND THEN ALSO, BRIANNA TAYLOR, WHICH IS THE PHOTOGRAPHER OF THE TEAM, SHE WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OTHER BETTER DRIVERS AND SHE FOUND THE SHIPWRECK ON THE LAST DAY. WHENEVER I GET TIRED, I JUST HAND IT OFF TO HER OR JEREMY AND THEN THEY WOULD CONTINUE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. AND THEN WE WOULD PULL IT OUT OFF OF THE– ONTO THE BOAT, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT PICTURE. AND THE ROBOT WEIGHS ABOUT 50 POUNDS, SO LAST YEAR, WHEN WE WERE IN PALAU, WE ACTUALLY PULLED IT UP BY THE CORD AND THAT RUINED THE CONNECTOR AND WE ACTUALLY HAD LEAKS WHILE IN PALAU AND HAD TO FIX THAT OVERNIGHT IN THE HOTEL ROOM. SO THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO BABY IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND PICK IT UP BY THE FRAME ITSELF, WHICH IS JUST A PVC FRAME, SO NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO IT. AND THEN WHEN WE GOT BACK TO THE DOCK, WE HAD THE DEBRIEFING. THIS WAS WHERE WE LEARNED ABOUT THE DAY. LIKE, LEARNED WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO BETTER. WE ACTUALLY LEARNED HERE THAN WE DID PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TIME THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR. WE HAD A MARINE, WE HAD FIGHTER PLANE PILOTS, WE HAD MARINE– TWO MARINES THERE. IT WAS JUST AMAZING WHAT– THE STUFF THAT THEY COULD LEND US. LIKE THEY’D GIVE US SO MUCH ADVICE AT THESE MEETINGS AND JUST TOLD US WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. THEY DIDN’T TELL US WHAT TO DO, THEY JUST TOLD US WHAT NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED AND WE WOULD FIGURE IT OUT OURSELVES ON WHAT TO DO.>>SO THESE KIDS ARE LEADING A MILITARY STYLE MISSION FROM SIX O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING TILL SIX O’CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. THIS IS PROBABLY 5:30, THEY’VE JUST SPENT 12 HOURS ON THE WATER, SEARCHING. AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE DAY THAT WE WENT OUT ON THE CORSAIR WITH THE PRESIDENT OF PALAU. AND NOW THEY’RE DOING A MILITARY STYLE AFTER ACTION REVIEW, OR A DEBRIEFING. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG, WHAT WENT RIGHT, HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE NEXT DAY AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT DAY’S MISSION.>>SO WHEN WE GET OUT OF THE CLASSROOM AND INTO THE REAL WORLD, STUFF DOESN’T ALWAYS WORK LIKE IT SHOULD. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY DURING THE MORNING. AND WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BOAT RIGHT NOW BUT WE ARE HAVING SOME CONNECTION ISSUES. SO WE HAD TO BRING IT INSIDE, AND THIS WAS ME GETTING IT READY FOR BUCK TO SOLDER.>>AND THERE’S NO PRESSURE HERE, RIGHT? THE U.S. AMBASSADOR IS SCHEDULED TO SHOW UP IN AN HOUR TO GO OUT ON THE SHIP WITH THEM. [ LAUGHTER ]>>ALTHOUGH THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES THAT BUCK ACTUALLY SOLDERED ON STABLE LAND. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, BUCK IS SOLDERING ON THE BOAT, A COUPLE OF MILES OUT TO SEA, WITH SOME WAVES– SEEMS TO BE HIS FAVORITE PLACE TO SOLDER. [ LAUGHTER ]>>THE TOP LEFT THERE, YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD SOME WATERTIGHT ISSUES IN OUR TETHER AND THE WATER WAS GETTING IN AND SHORTING OUT THE CABLES. AND THE SCRIPPS INSTITUTE WAS ABLE TO LEND US A SCOTCH CAST, AND IT’S PRETTY MUCH LIKE A RUBBER MOLD THAT WATERPROOFS EVERYTHING FOR US. THAT WAS A BIG HELP.>>ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY COOL THIS YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR WE WERE INVITED TO THE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE. THIS YEAR HE CAME OUT ON THE BOAT WITH US. THIS IS HIS FIRST YEAR– TERM IN OFFICE THERE. HE IS A GRADUATE FROM GRAND VALLEY STATE UNIVERSITY. SO BEFORE WE LEFT, WE CONTACTED GRAND VALLEY AND THEY SENT US WITH A BUNCH OF GRAND VALLEY GEAR TO PRESENT TO HIM. SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES. WE HAVE SOME SHIRTS. WE ALSO PRESENTED HIM WITH ONE OF OUR ROBOTICS T-SHIRTS AND THEN HE DOVE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DIVERS IN THE BENTPROP ON THIS CORSAIR, WHERE OUR ROV WAS IN THE WATER.>>WHILE WE WERE IN PALAU, WE DIDN’T JUST WORK. WE HAD A COUPLE OF DAYS TO TAKE TOURS AND HAVE FUN. ONE OF THE TOURS WE WENT ON WAS THE JELLYFISH LAKE ROCK ISLAND TOUR. WE GOT TO SNORKEL IN JELLYFISH LAKE, WHICH IS AN INLAND LAKE, AND IT HAS– IT’S JUST COMPLETELY FULL OF MILLIONS OF JELLYFISH. AND THEY DON’T STING. DUE TO NATURAL SELECTION, THEY’VE LEARNED TO NOT STING BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PREDATORS IN THE LAKE. SO THERE ARE MILLIONS YOU CAN SWIM WITH OF ALL DIFFERENT SIZES AND YOU CAN HOLD THEM– IT WAS A REALLY COOL EXPERIENCE. WE ALSO GOT TO SWIM ALONG THE DROPOFF REEF, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGER REEFS IN PALAU. AND ON ONE SIDE OF THE REEF, IT’S ABOUT 120 FEET, AND THE OTHER SIDE IT’S ABOUT 4,000 FEET.>>WOW.>>WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO VISIT A SCHOOL THERE, IN PALAU. THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS. WHILE THERE, WE WERE TELLING THEM ABOUT HOW WE HAD TO FIX THE ROBOT IN THE HOTEL ROOM AND WE HAD TO PRETTY MUCH BRING IT BACK TO LIFE FOR THE NEXT DAY ON THE MISSION. SO THEY WERE LIKE, “OH, YOU SHOULD CALL IT DIGNAR.” AND WE WERE LIKE, “WHAT’S THAT?” AND THEY WERE LIKE, “OH, THAT’S PALAUAN FOR RESURRECTED, OR ALIVE.” AND SO THE ROBOT IS NOW CALLED DIGNAR AND WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE CALLED THAT, BECAUSE WE’RE ALWAYS FIXING IT. [ LAUGHTER ]>>OKAY, SO ONCE AGAIN, WE’D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT. WE THINK OUR PROJECT AND OUR CLASS REPRESENTS SOME– WHAT’S GOING ON IN STOCKBRIDGE COMMUNITY AND THE STOCKBRIDGE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS. WE’RE PARTNERING WITH NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS THE BENTPROP PROJECT. WE’RE PARTNERING WITH INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION, SUCH AS THE SCRIPPS INSTITUTION OF OCEANOGRAPHY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT SAN DIEGO. WE’RE PARTNERING WITH THE JOINT POW/MIA COMMAND, WHICH IS A TWO-STAR GENERAL COMMAND AT HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE IN HAWAII. AND WE’RE PARTNERING WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF PALAU. IT’S TURNED INTO MUCH MORE THAN A ROBOT. I THINK, AT FIRST WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, EVERYBODY WAS FOCUSED ON THE ROBOT AND THAT’S THE WAY IT IS IN OUR CLASSROOM. THE FIRST FEW DAYS, AND THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE ROV, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE ROBOT. AND THEN THE KIDS LEARN ABOUT THE MISSION AND IT’S “OKAY, WE’RE GOING TO GO FIND AIRPLANES.” AND THEN IT BECOMES ABOUT THE AIRPLANES THAT WERE SHOT DOWN IN WORLD WAR II. AND AS THEY GET TO LEARN THE AIRCREWS, WE’RE PULLING OUT THEIR PERSONNEL RECORDS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES, WE’RE PULLING OUT SQUADRON REPORTS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES, THEN IT’S NOT ABOUT THE AIRPLANES, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ROV, IT’S ABOUT THE AIRCREWS THAT ARE MISSING AND WHAT THEIR FAMILIES WENT THROUGH. AND WHAT OUR COUNTRY WENT THROUGH IN THE 40s, FIGHTING WORLD WAR II. AND NOW IT BECOMES ABOUT, “LET’S BRING CLOSURE TO THOSE FAMILIES THAT STILL HAVE MISSING SERVICE MEMBERS FROM WORLD WAR II AND BRING NOTICE THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 80,000 SERVICE MEMBERS STILL MISSING FROM ALL OF AMERICA’S WARS. AND THEN IT BECOMES ABOUT GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED. BECAUSE, QUIT FRANKLY, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS IN THE SAME BOAT THAT EVERY OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN IS. WE HAVE NO MONEY AND WE DON’T USE ANY SCHOOL MONEY TO FUND THIS PROJECT. THE KIDS RAISE EVERY DIME TO BUILD THAT ROBOT. TO GET FROM HERE, 8,000 MILES AWAY, TO THE WESTERN PACIFIC OCEAN AND BACK AGAIN AND DEPLOY THE ROBOT. THEY RAISED ALL THAT MONEY THEMSELVES AS PART OF A CLASS PROJECT. SO– YOU RAISED $100,000 IN TWO YEARS TO RUN THIS PROGRAM? AND WE’RE STARTING AGAIN. PART OF IT IS GRANTS. PART OF IT IS THE SUPPORT OF BUSINESSES HERE IN MICHIGAN, PART OF IT IS THE SUPPORT OF BUSINESSES NATIONWIDE. THEN THERE’S A PORTION THAT’S GRANT FUNDED FROM GROUPS LIKE DART CONTAINER AND MASON, SQUARE ONE EDUCATION NETWORK FROM THE SUBURBS OF DETROIT. IT’S JUST BEEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER TO SUPPORT A GREAT PROJECT AND SOME GREAT KIDS. SO WITH THAT, I’D LIKE TO CONCLUDE AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.>>OKAY, MIKE?>>FIRST OF ALL, WE LIVE ON THE GRAND RIVER HERE IN TOWN AND MY ONCOLOGIST SAYS YOU GOT TO EAT A LOT MORE SALMON. AND DID I HEAR YOU SAY YOU THROW A LOT OF SALMON INTO THE RIVER?>>YES, SIR. HOW MANY?>>WE RELEASED ABOUT 150 SALMON, YESTERDAY ACTUALLY, WITH TWO ROVs THAT 5th GRADERS BUILT.>>WELL, HOPEFULLY 149 AS OF TOMORROW. [ LAUGHTER ] JOHN, PLEASE. THEN EILEEN.>>SO, WHAT KIND OF CAREERS ARE YOU HEADED TOWARDS WITH THIS KIND OF WORK THAT YOU’RE WORKING ON. ALSO, WHAT KIND OF MATH ARE YOU HAVING TO PUT TO WORK IN SOME OF THIS STUFF?>>WELL, I’LL BE STARTING AT MICHIGAN TECH FOR MECHANICAL ENGINEERING IN THE FALL. I HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A JOB OFFER FOR THE SUMMER TO DESIGN MOUNTING BRACKETS FOR SOLAR PANELS WITH CAD SOFTWARE AND A 3D PRINTER. SO THAT’S THE CAREER I’LL BE HEADING OFF TO, SOMEWHERE IN MATERIAL SCIENCE OR MECHANICAL ENGINEERING, AND THEN–>>TELL US ABOUT YOUR INTERNSHIP AT SCRIPPS NEXT YEAR.>>AND ALSO, WHILE IN PALAU, I TALKED TO DR. ARTURO AND HE OFFERED ME A SCRIPPS INTERNSHIP NEXT SUMMER IN SAN DIEGO FOR A 10 WEEK PROGRAM WITH THE OCEANOGRAPHY AND– WORKING WITH THE BUOYS AND UNDERSTANDING THE OCEAN. AND IT’S A PAID INTERNSHIP TOO, SO I’M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.>>I’LL BE ATTENDING NORTHWOOD UNIVERSITY IN THE FALL AND ENROLLED IN THEIR FOUR YEARS MBA BBA MARKETING PROGRAM. I’LL ALSO CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE BENTPROP PROJECT TO WORK AS A PR PERSON FOR THEM.>>I PLAN ON BECOMING AN ONCOLOGIST AFTER SCHOOL. I DON’T KNOW WHERE I’M GOING YET BECAUSE I’M ONLY A SOPHOMORE, BUT I HAVE MY EYES SET ON U OF M.>>AND I WANT TO BE A CHEMICAL ENGINEER. AND I DON’T KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL YET, BUT I’VE BEEN THINKING OF U OF M.>>I’M NOT REALLY SET EITHER. I’M THINKING SOMETHING IN UAV TECHNOLOGIES, WITH HEXACOPTERS AND OTHER REMOTE PLANES, BUT I HAVEN’T REALLY DECIDED WHERE YET.>>THEY’RE STILL SOPHOMORES. [ LAUGHTER ]>>YOU’VE GOT TIME.>>THERE’S TIME.>>SO LET’S TALK ABOUT THE MATH ISSUE, WHICH WAS THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION. FIRST OFF, THIS CLASS IS OFFERED AS 4th YEAR MATH RELATED CREDIT, AS PART OF THE MICHIGAN MERIT CURRICULUM. WE TOOK A SLIDE OUT, THAT NOW WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT IN.>>YEAH.>>JENNY, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN REAL MATH? [ LAUGHTER ]>>ONE OF OUR MAJOR APPLICATIONS OF REAL MATH, WAS TRIG ON THE DAY– WHERE WERE WE GOING? AN UNKNOWN TARGET. WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE OUR– HOW FAR WE COULD GO OUT, WHERE WE NEEDED TO ANCHOR THE BOAT, HOW MUCH TETHER LINE WE WOULD HAVE. SO WE HAD DIFFERENT GPS COORDINATES AND DIFFERENT DEGREES. AND CHLOE AND I SAT DOWN FOR PROBABLY AN HOUR AND A HALF, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TETHER WE HAD AND WHERE EXACTLY WE NEEDED TO PARK OUR BOAT. HOW FAR FROM THE SONAR TARGET? SO THAT’S BEEN ONE OF OUR MAJOR APPLICATIONS IN PALAU. THEN WE ALSO WORKED WITH FINANCES, BUDGETING– AS FAR AS THE MARKETING SIDE. OUR ENGINEERS HAVE WORKED WITH BUOYANCY AND–>>VOLTAGE DROP.>>VOLTAGE DROP.>>THIS CLASS HELPED ME A LOT WITH THE PHYSICS CLASS– AP PHYSICS. I JUST TOOK THE AP PHYSICS TEST YESTERDAY AND THERE’S A BUOYANCY QUESTION ON IT. AND THEN ELECTRIC CURRENT AND VOLTAGE AND STUFF ON IT TOO.>>REALLY, QUICKLY. WHEN I HEARD THE RADIO REPORTS DESCRIBING YOUR CAREER TECHNICAL PROGRAMS– AND THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE– TWO THINGS. ONE, IT APPEARED THAT YOU WERE AS I KNOW OAKLAND COUNTY SCHOOLS WITH OUR TEACHER OF THE YEAR, PAUL GALBENSKI AND OTHERS– YOU KNOW, SHOWING HOW TO INTEGRATE THE RIGOROUS MATH AND THE COMMUNICATIONS AND LANGUAGE ARTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE MICHIGAN MERIT, INTO A MORE INTERESTING AND POWERFUL LEARNING PROGRAM, WHICH IS LEADING TOWARDS ALL SORTS OF WONDERFUL DESTINATIONS. AND THAT WAS THE SECOND PART. IT APPEARED THAT YOU WERE ARTICULATING WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT IN TERMS OF OPEN ENDED CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. SO IF YOU’RE IN AUTO REPAIR, OR IF YOU’RE IN ROBOTICS, YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM ENTRY LEVEL, TO BECOME AN ENGINEER, AND BECOME A– YOU KNOW, THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID. AND THAT, TO ME, IS SO POWERFUL A STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT THE GOAL OF EDUCATION IS. WE DON’T WANT TO BOX YOU INTO A NARROW SLOT, OR PREPARE YOU FOR A NARROW THING. WE WANT YOU TO DEFINE IT AND HAVE OPEN ENDED POSSIBILITIES AS YOUNG PEOPLE, WHICH CLEARLY, STOCKBRIDGE STUDENTS ARE ALREADY PICTURING AND SUCCEEDING AT.>>WELL STATED.>>THANK YOU.>>WELL STATED. EILEEN, PLEASE.>>WELL, OF COURSE JOHN TOOK ALL OF MY GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE ONE MORE. I THINK THAT THE HARDEST PART FOR US AS A BOARD, AS WE LOOK AROUND THE STATE, IS THE DISPARITY OF RESOURCES IN DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. AND WE’VE BEEN OUT TO THE– A NUMBER OF US HAVE BEEN TO THE OAKLAND CAREER TECH ED CENTER. IT’S SPECTACULAR. THEY HAVE WHAT– A $50 MILLION, $25 MILLION ROBOTICS LINE. BUT I THINK, JUST FROM WHAT I’VE HEARD AND SEEN, THAT YOU’RE DOING THIS IN WHAT I COULD CALL– AS A GOOD WOLVERINE– A VERY SPARTAN FASHION. [ LAUGHTER ] AM I RIGHT? IS THIS PRETTY MUCH THE BARE-BONES LAB AND YOU SAID YOU RAISED ALL THE MONEY FOR THE PROJECT, BUT WHAT KIND OF A BUDGET ARE YOU WORKING ON FOR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, STEM SUBJECTS AT STOCKBRIDGE?>>MY KIDS ARE LAUGHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I PUT A POST ON FACEBOOK, THAT MY CLASSROOM BUDGET WAS $50 FOR THIS NEXT SCHOOL YEAR. THAT BOUGHT US TWO SD CARDS. AND NOT GOOD ONES. A 16G AND AN 8G SD CARD. BUT WE CAN LOAD THOSE INTO THE GoPRO CAMERAS THAT WERE DONATED TO US BY THE GoPRO COMPANY AND GET SOME WORK DONE. OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ABOUT– WELL, OVER 40% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ON THE FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH PROGRAM. WE’RE A RURAL SCHOOL. THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN STOCKBRIDGE IS STOCKBRIDGE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS. IT’S A– IT WAS AN AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY, NOW IT’S A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND MOST PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY AND COMMUTE TO EITHER ANN ARBOR, JACKSON OR LANSING AREAS. AND IT’S BARE BONES. BUT, THROUGH MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES– AND I THINK, BEING BARE BONES HAS FREED US UP TO MAKE CHOICES. WE’RE NOT TIED TO MEETING SOME REQUIREMENT TO GET A GOVERNMENT HANDOUT. THE KIDS KNEW WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO, WE HAD A PROJECT GOAL, AND ONCE WE HAD THE APPROVAL OF OUR SCHOOL BOARD, WHICH WAS JOKINGLY GIVEN, “YOU CAN DO THIS PROJECT, PROVIDED IT DOES NOT COST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ANY MONEY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.” THE KIDS KIND OF TOOK THAT AND RAN WITH IT AND SAID, “THEY “DON’T THINK WE CAN DO IT.” “LET’S GO OUT AND SHOW THEM WE “CAN.” AND THEY PROCEEDED TO RAISE $50,000. [ APPLAUSE ]>>AND I HAVE A FOLLOW-ON QUESTION, BECAUSE I’D LOVE TO SEE A VERSION OF THIS. MY UNCLE WAS SHOT DOWN IN WORLD WAR II. AND HE WATCHED HIS “LIBERATOR” GO INTO THE ENGLISH CHANNEL BEFORE 19 MONTHS IN– SO WE WERE LUCKY WE GOT HIM BACK. BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT COULD BE TAKING PLACE. IT’S INTERESTING, BECAUSE YOU’RE IN STOCKBRIDGE, TO END UP WHERE YOU DID WITH AN UNDERWATER PROJECT, DOESN’T SEEM LOGICAL.>>NO. [ LAUGHTER ]>>BUT WE HAVE A STATE THAT’S SURROUNDED– HERE IT IS– WE HAVE A STATE THAT’S SURROUNDED BY TONS OF WATER. SO WHAT ADVICE CAN YOU GIVE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR OTHER SCIENCE TEACHERS AS TO HOW TO WORK THIS AND HOW TO GET INVOLVED IN PROJECT-BASED LEARNING AND OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THEM HOW DYNAMIC IT IS FOR OUR DEVELOPING CHILDREN.>>WE GOT INVOLVED THROUGH THE MATE INTERNATIONAL ROV COMPETITION, WHICH IS THE MARINE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY EDUCATION CENTER. SO WE STARTED BUILDING THE SMALL ROVs AND COMPETING AGAINST SCHOOLS FROM OAK PARK AND SPRING LAKE AND DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AROUND THE STATE– TRAVERSE CITY AND ALPENA– AT THE NATIONAL MARINE SANCTUARY. TO BUILD A BASIC ROV THAT OUR 5th GRADERS BUILD, WITH SOME HELP FROM LOWE’S, YOU CAN BUILD ONE FOR LESS THAN $100 IF YOU DON’T PUT CAMERAS ON IT. AND THAT’S WHAT WE USED TO RELEASE THE SALMON LAST NIGHT. ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS, 3rd, 4th AND 5th GRADERS– WITH THE HELP OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS– BUILT TWO ROVs WITH SALMON RELEASE MECHANISMS THAT THE DNR APPROVED OF, THAT THEY WEREN’T GOING TO HURT THE SALMON. AND THEY RELEASED THE SALMON THAT THE 3rd, 4th AND 5th GRADERS HAVE RAISED SINCE THE FALL. EVERYTHING IN THIS, YOU CAN BUY AT YOUR HARDWARE STORE FOR THE MOST PART. AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS– WE RUN TO THE HARDWARE STORE EVERYDAY, IT’S 25 CENTS FOR AN ELBOW. THE PLUMBERS IN TOWN DONATE PVC. THE ELECTRICIANS DONATE WIRE. WE DO A LITTLE DUMPSTER DIVING, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON IN THE CAREER TECH FIELDS. THE SCRAPS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND FROM OTHER INDUSTRIES AND THE KIDS ARE ABLE TO TURN THEM INTO– INTO A ROBOT THAT’S– IF YOU WANTED TO BUY THAT, IT WOULD COST YOU $20,000 TO BUY IT FROM VIDEORAY OR AN ROV COMPANY. SO SCHOOLS CAN DO IT BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, FREE YOURSELF OF THE PREPACKAGED CURRICULUM THAT COSTS TONS OF MONEY, THAT WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD, AND GO OUT ON YOUR OWN INITIATIVE AND GET THINGS DONE.>>I HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS– FOLLOW UPS. ONE IS I DIDN’T HAVE BOTH HANDS UP, FOR THE STATE THAT IS SURROUNDED BY WATER. I APOLOGIZE. [ LAUGHTER ] AND THE OTHER ONE I’VE FORGOTTEN, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING.>>THANK YOU.>>THIS IS TERRIFIC AND I KNOW THAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS TOO.>>THANK YOU. KATHLEEN, PLEASE. I THINK YOU WERE NEXT.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I’M DELIGHTED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. I WONDERED, DID YOU– WHAT CLASS WERE YOU SIGNING UP FOR? [ LAUGHTER ]>>MY SOPHOMORE YEAR, I TOOK OUR BASIC MARKETING CLASS AND TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR– EXCUSE ME– MS. RICHARDS CAME UP TO ME AND ASKED IF I WANTED TO DO– WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? AN INDEPENDENT STUDY FOR THE NEXT YEAR. DIDN’T REALLY SAY WHAT IT WAS. I’VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN MARKETING. I’VE HELPED MY MOM RUN A– MARKETING HORSE BUSINESS– SO I’VE ALWAYS HAD AN INTEREST IN IT AND I SAID, “SURE.” WE GO TO THE OPEN HOUSE THE NEXT SUMMER AND HE’S TELLING ME ALL ABOUT GOING TO PALAU AND THIS AND THAT. AND I’M JUST LIKE, “OKAY.” [ LAUGHTER ] SO THAT’S KIND OF HOW I GOT INVOLVED. DIDN’T– JUST KIND OF LIKE JUMPED IN BLIND, DIDN’T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, BUT NOW HERE I AM TWO YEARS LATER WITH A PRETTY SOLID BUSINESS FOUNDATION FOR MY CAREER, SO.>>THE CURRICULUM GUIDE STANDARDS TO GET IN THE CLASS IS ONE OR TWO TRACKS. I’M THE BUSINESS TEACHER, SO IF THEY TAKE MARKETING OR ACCOUNTING AND HAVE A PASSING GRADE AND SHOW AN INTEREST, THAT’S ONE WAY TO COME INTO THE MARKETING SIDE. AND THEN ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE, WE HAVE A BASIC, LAND-BASED ROBOTS, WHERE WE USED VEX ROBOTICS SYSTEM. AND IF THEY TAKE THAT CLASS AND DO WELL IN IT AND HAVE AN INTEREST IN CONTINUING, THEN THEY GET INTO OUR BASIC UNDERWATER ROBOTS CLASS, WHICH IS THE MATE ROV COMPETITION. IT’S ALL BASED AROUND THE UNDERWATER ROBOT COMPETITION. AND THEN, THEY REALLY GOT TO LOVE IT– AFTER, YOU KNOW, COMPETING. I MEAN, WE’VE TAKEN KIDS IN THAT CLASS TO HAWAII. TO THE NEUTRAL BUOYANCY LAB AT NASA AND COMPETED. AND IF THEY REALLY WANT TO STICK WITH IT AFTER BEING GRILLED BY NASA ENGINEERS, THEY APPLY TO COME INTO THE ADVANCED CLASS. WE HAVEN’T TURNED ANYONE AWAY YET THAT’S WANTED TO COME. PART OF THE– THE HARD PART ABOUT THIS CLASS IS– HOW MANY DAYS OF SCHOOL HAVE YOU MISSED THIS YEAR FOR THIS PROJECT?>>I’VE MISSED 117 CLASS PERIODS, SO THAT’S ABOUT 30 DAYS IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.>>AND HOW MANY AP CLASSES HAVE YOU HAD?>>I HAVE THREE AP CLASSES, SO IT’S A LOT OF WORK MAKING UP WORK AND A LOT OF HOMEWORK.>>DON’T BE SHY, TELL THEM WHAT YOUR GPA IS.>>I HAVE A 3.998 GPA. [ LAUGHTER ]>>THESE STUDENTS HAVE GIVEN 30 PRESENTATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL. THEY’VE SPOKEN TO THE U.S. AMBASSADOR TO PALAU, THE PRESIDENT OF PALAU. THEY WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND PRESENTED AT MICHIGAN ROBOTICS DAY WITH THE GOVERNOR, THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. THEY WERE AT MICHIGAN STATE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND PRESENTED. THEY PRESENTED IN FRONT OF LIONS CLUB, CHURCHES, VETERANS GROUPS, BUSINESSES, MENLO INNOVATIONS IN ANN ARBOR. SO THEY GET OUT AND SPEAK, BUT THAT’S A BIG TIME COMMITMENT FOR A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.>>THANK YOU. DAN?>>I THINK SHE’S GOT A FOLLOW UP.>>KATHLEEN?>>YOU SAID YOU COMPETED WITH OAK PARK AND TRAVERSE CITY–>>YES.>>DO THEY DO THINGS LIKE GOING 8,000 MILES AWAY TOO?>>NO, BUT I KNOW THE TRAVERSE CITY KIDS ARE WORKING IN TRAVERSE BAY.>>OH.>>AND WE’RE TRYING– WE’VE TRIED FOR TWO YEARS TO GO IN ALPENA. AND NOAA IS WILLING TO PICK UP THE TAB FOR US, IT’S JUST MOTHER NATURE HASN’T COOPERATED IN THE TIME WINDOW. SO WE’VE KIND OF MOVED IT UP FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT THE MARINE SANCTUARY– AND NOAA’S PROVIDED A BOAT FOR US, A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO STAY, WE JUST NEED TO GET MOTHER NATURE TO COOPERATE AND WE CAN DIVE THE GREAT LAKES TOO.>>THANK YOU, KATH. DAN, PLEASE.>>YEAH. LET ME ADD MY THANKS FOR COMING OUT AND PRESENTING THIS REALLY EXEMPLAR FOR WHAT EDUCATION CAN BE WHEN DONE WELL. IT’S REALLY ASTOUNDING. ALL OF YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED. THIS IS REALLY EXCEPTIONAL STUFF. TWO THINGS: ONE IS– SO A QUICK STORY. THERE’S A GROUP CALLED CONNECT ED OUT IN CALIFORNIA THAT RUNS A PROGRAMS CALLED LINKED LEARNING WHICH– ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT MAYBE?>>I’VE HEARD THE NAME. YES, SIR.>>IT REALLY IS AROUND CREATING PATHWAYS FOR STUDENTS TIED TO PARTICULAR DISCIPLINES. SO ENGINEERING, OR ARCHITECTURE, OR HEALTH SCIENCES, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND LINKING EXPERIENCES AT EMPLOYERS. SO REAL INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCES WITH THE CURRICULUM THAT YOU’RE ACTUALLY TIED– YOU KNOW, AND THE STANDARDS THAT YOU’RE TIED BACK TO IN SCHOOL. I’M CURIOUS– AND THE WHOLE STATE LEGISLATURE IN CALIFORNIA, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WENT ON A RETREAT AND SPENT A DAY AT A LINKED LEARNING SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA. AND, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TALKING TO THE CONNECT ED FOLKS, THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS– THIS APPROACH. IT’S NOT A CURRICULUM, IT’S NOT– IT’S JUST AN APPROACH TO MAKING SCHOOL RELEVANT FOR ABOUT $100 A STUDENT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL STATEWIDE. SO IT’S NOT TERRIBLE EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU CAN DO THIS STUFF AT SCALE, TO DO EFFECTIVELY. SO MY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM JUST MAKES ME WONDER, HOW, IF AT ALL, YOU ARE INVOLVING EMPLOYERS IN THIS? SO WE’RE HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SUMMER INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCES AND SO ON. AND I’M WONDERING, HOW– JUST COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW EMPLOYERS ARE INVOLVED IN THIS? ONE, AND ON THEN THE FLIP SIDE IS, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, FROM THE STUDENTS IN PARTICULAR, THERE’S A LOT OF INTEREST– I HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN– NOT JUST THE CONTENT, SO DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO GET THE CONTENT– THE MATH SKILLS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER 21st CENTURY SKILLS: THE TEAMWORK, THE PRESENTATION. NOTICED WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING THAT YOU WEREN’T THE LEAST BIT NERVOUS, FRANKLY. [ LAUGHTER ] AND WE’VE HAD OTHER STUDENTS HERE AND MOST ARE NERVOUS WHEN THEY’RE PRESENTING. SO IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT YOU GUYS HAD PRESENTED TO MANY, MANY OTHER AUDIENCES BEFORE ABOUT THIS. THE REFLECTION AND LEARNING TIME, OR THE AFTER ACTION REVIEW– WHO LEADS THAT? JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER SKILLS THAT YOU’RE LEARNING THAT YOU WOULD TAKE WITH YOU TO THE WORLD OF WORK, KIND OF FROM THIS?>>I’LL COVER THE EMPLOYER PART AND THEN LET THE STUDENTS TALK. WE HAVE ONE STUDENT THAT’S WORKING WITH SEAVIEW SYSTEMS IN DEXTER, MICHIGAN. ONE OF THE STUDENTS FROM LAST YEAR. AND THEY’RE AN UNDERWATER EXPLORATION COMPANY. THEY MAINLY WORK IN THE OFFSHORE OIL INDUSTRY. HE’D LEFT STOCKBRIDGE HIGH SCHOOL AS A SOPHOMORE, HAVING COMPLETED AP CALCULUS AND AP PHYSICS AS A SOPHOMORE. SO HE WENT ON TO COLLEGE THROUGH AN EARLY COLLEGE PROGRAM AT WASHTENAW COMMUNITY COLLEGE. AND HE’S WORKING FOR AN ROV COMPANY IN DEXTER. WE’VE OPENED UP CONVERSATIONS WITH SEALANDAIRE, WHICH IS AN UNDERWATER SERVICES COMPANY, DEFENSE CONTRACTOR OUT OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN. WE’RE HOPING TO MEET WITH THEM. D.F. SEEDS, WHICH IS A LOCAL SEED COMPANY. WE’RE PARTNERING WITH THEM AND TRYING TO GET STUDENTS PLACED WITH OUR HEXACOPTERS TO DO CROP SURVEYS ON THE CROPS AROUND HERE. ALSO WITH GEE FARMS, WHICH IS A NURSERY NEAR US. USING OUR TECHNOLOGY, OUR HEXACOPTERS, TO SURVEY THEIR FIELDS AND THEIR CROPS AND PLANTS. SO WE’RE– THERE’S NOT A LOT OF INDUSTRY IN STOCKBRIDGE, SO WE’RE REACHING OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY TO FIND PLACES FOR KIDS TO WORK. OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, FOR OUR CTE PROGRAM, IS KIND OF ODD, SO WE’VE HAD TO REACH OUT TO DEXTER AND JACKSON TO REACH SEAVIEW AND SEALANDAIRE. HURON SCUBA IN ANN ARBOR, HAS HELPED US OUT QUITE A BIT AND WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH STUDENTS. SO THAT’S WHERE WE’RE GOING WITH THAT. BUT I THINK, MOST OF THESE KIDS HAVE JOBS TOO. AND THEY ALL PLAY SPORTS, SO IT’S NOT EATING UP THEIR TIME. I THINK EVERY ONE OF THEM PLAYS A VARSITY SPORT OR A JV SPORT IN OUR SCHOOL. SO WHY DON’T YOU GUYS GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE–>>WELL, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT I LEARNED FROM THIS PROGRAM IS A LOT OF TEAM MANAGEMENT. I MEAN, YOU GUYS SAW THE SIZE OF THE BOAT. THERE WERE DAYS WHEN WE HAD 22 PEOPLE ON THAT LITTLE BOAT, ALONG WITH THREE OF OUR BIG FOOT LOCKER GEARBOXES. OUR ROV, ALL THE WIRES, THE CORDS. WE HAVE ALMOST 200 FEET OF TETHER THAT’S PRETTY THICK. SO KEEPING EVERYTHING ORGANIZED AND MANAGEMENT– PEOPLE MANAGEMENT. KEEPING EVERYTHING SAFE HAS BEEN REALLY BIG. YOU CAN’T LEARN THAT STUFF REALLY IN A CLASSROOM. BECAUSE YOU’VE GOT WATER HAZARDS, ELECTROCUTION– LIKE, WE’VE GOT FOUR BATTERIES SO– KEEPING PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, MAKING SURE THAT OUR ROV DRIVER ISN’T CROWDED. WE KEEP IT QUIET ON THE BOAT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE RECORDING ALL OF THE DATA. WE KEEP NOTES OF WHAT TIME AND THE VIDEO WE SAW AN OBJECT, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO IT LATER. SO IT’S A LOT OF MANAGEMENT, EFFICIENCY STUFF THAT WE LEARNED OUT ON THE BOAT WHEN WE’RE IN ACTION.>>SO YOU GET A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR TELLING A MARINE– ACTIVE DUTY MARINE CORP MAJOR, “SIR, “YOU NEED TO GET TO THE BACK “OF THE BOAT, WE’RE WORKING.” [ LAUGHTER ] AND THEN– SERIOUSLY, THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE DOING. WHY DON’T YOU TALK ABOUT THE BRIEFS AND DEBRIEFS A LITTLE BIT?>>WELL, IT WAS I TIME FOR US TO LEARN. AN ACTIVE DUTY MARINE, WHO HAS A MAJOR IN LEADERSHIP, HE ACTUALLY TOLD US, LIKE– I SPOKE WITH HIM ON THE SIDE A LOT. SINCE I WAS THE ENGINEERING LEADER AND I WAS– AND THE COMMANDER ON THE BOAT, HE SPECIFICALLY TOLD ME WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO MANAGE THE BOAT. AND IF I NEEDED TO, JUST TO YELL, “QUIET ON DECK” AND THAT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE DECK QUIET. AND I ACTUALLY DID THAT WHEN THE U.S. AMBASSADOR WAS ON THE BOAT. AND SO I MADE HER QUIET DOWN WHEN I NEEDED IT. [ LAUGHTER ] THESE MEETINGS– IT WAS ON OUR SPRING BREAK IS WHEN WE WENT. SO ONE NIGHT WHEN WE WERE ALL TIRED AFTER WORKING 12 HOURS ON THE BOAT, IS THE SUNDAY NIGHT OF THE SPRING BREAK BACK AT HOME, WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GOING TO PANAMA CITY AND PARTYING AND DOING WHO KNOWS WHAT, AND WE’RE OUT TALKING TO THESE ACTIVE DUTY MARINES AND PILOTS. AND JUST TALKING TO THEM AND WORKING 12 HOURS ON THE BOAT AND IT’S A REALLY DEEP EXPERIENCE. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.>>SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THEY GIVE YOU IS STUFF YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF. K.C., WHO’S A CAPTAIN IN THE MARINES– THIS WAS HIS FIRST YEAR, HE DIDN’T GO WITH US LAST YEAR– BROUGHT UP SOME NEW POINTS THAT EVEN A LOT OF THE OTHER BENTPROP MEMBERS HAD NEVER SAID THE YEAR BEFORE. SO JUST, THEY GIVE YOU A NEW VIEWPOINT, A FRESH VIEWPOINT ON STUFF THAT YOU’RE DOING THAT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE.>>ONE SOFT SKILL, MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUE THAT WE LEARNED WAS FROM MENLO INNOVATIONS IN ANN ARBOR. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK TO THAT REAL QUICK?>>MENLO INNOVATIONS, THE WAY THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS, IS NOT IN CUBICLES. THEY HAVE EVERYBODY WORKING WITH A PARTNER. AND SO THEY HAVE BOARDS FOR THEIR PROJECTS ABOUT– THEY HAVE CARDS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THEY COLOR CODE THEM WITH STICKERS THAT SAY, “NEEDS MORE PEOPLE, IT’S BEING DONE, OR IT IS DONE.” AND WE KIND OF STOLE THAT IDEA. WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING SIDE TO OUR BOARD, A MARKETING SIDE, A TO DO LIST, AND THEN MR. RICHARDS PART OF THE BOARD. SO, WE’LL HAVE TASKS SPLIT UP INTO ENGINEERING AND MARKETING AND WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO, YOU GO LOOK AT THE BOARD AND PICK A CARD AND PUT YOUR STICKER ON IT THAT SAYS YOU DID IT.>>AND THAT’S HOW WE MANAGE OUR CLASSROOM. USING THE MENLO’S MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHERE THE KIDS MANAGE EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS WORKING AND NOT DOING THEIR AP WORK. THEY’RE DOING ROBOTICS WORK. AND THEY KEEP ME ON TASK TOO TO MAKE SURE THAT I’M FOLLOWING UP WHEN I NEED TO FOLLOW UP.>>RICHARD, PLEASE.>>THIS IS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND REALLY APPRECIATED. AS A FORMER SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER, I’M INTERESTED TOO IN THE WHAT PROVIDES YOU BACKGROUND AS TO YOUR SEARCH AT THE PALAU. ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR TEXTS OR SUCH ON THE SECOND WORLD WAR THAT YOU RECOMMEND?>>SURE. “THE OLD BREED”: WITH THE MARINES ON GUADALCANAL, PELELIU AND OKINAWA, BY SLEDGE. THAT WAS– WE READ THAT TO BEGIN WITH. WE READ “THE PACIFIC,” WHICH IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, BUT IT FOCUSED ENOUGH ON PELELIU. SO WE’VE USED THOSE. THERE’S A GQ ARTICLE FROM 2008 BY WILL HILTON, WHO’S A BENTPROP MEMBER THAT WE’VE ALL READ AND HIS BOOK IS COMING OUT IN NOVEMBER THAT TALKS ABOUT THE SEARCH FOR A B-24 IN PALAU. AN INTERESTING THING– CHLOE TAUGHT OUR AP WORLD HISTORY TEACHER HOW TO PULL RECORDS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES, BECAUSE OUR AP TEACHER– AND I DON’T KNOW THAT MANY HISTORY TEACHERS HAVE ACTUALLY PULLED REAL RECORDS FROM THE ARCHIVES AND PULLED MILITARY RECORDS OUT. SO THEY GAVE A CLASS TO THE TEACHER AND TO THE AP CLASS ON HOW TO PULL RECORDS. SO WE’VE BEEN PULLING RECORDS FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AS PART OF THE CLASS.>>ONE OF THE THINGS AS WELL, ONE LAST THING BUT THEN– [ LAUGHTER ] –HAS A DOCUMENTARY SHOWCASING THREE DIFFERENT SEARCHES AND RECOVERIES. ONE SPECIFICALLY OF A B-24. ONE OF THE MEMBERS THAT WE WORKED WITH, HIS GRANDFATHER IS ACTUALLY IN THAT DOCUMENTARY. WE’VE SHOWN IT FOR FUNDRAISERS, SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN HAVING ONE OF THAT, YOU CAN CONTACT US AND WE’LL GET YOU ONE.>>WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I MEAN I– WITH OUR HOUSE COMMITTEE HERE, I DON’T WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR MEETING, BUT [ LAUGHTER ] THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR MEETING. AND I THINK IT’S GREAT, AND MR. RICHARDS, I JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU THAT YOU’RE SUCH A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE TEACHING PROFESSION HERE IN THIS STATE. WE HAVE 100,000 TEACHERS THAT DO WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY AND WE APPRECIATE IT. AND THEN CERTAINLY, THE STUDENTS. I MEAN, YOU JUST MAKE US SO PROUD. AND, COULD WE ASK YOU THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL THAT YOU’D LET US KNOW WHAT THAT IS.>>YES, SIR.>>AND WE’D LOVE TO WATCH. IT’S IN SEPTEMBER I THINK YOU SAID?>>YES, SIR.>>AND YOU’RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY AND WATCH HOW SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE. WHERE THE BOARD AND [ LAUGHTER ] THE COMMITTEE. THIS IS REALLY– ON A SERIOUS NOTE– THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR YEAR, BECAUSE THE– CHAIRMAN ROGERS IS HERE WITH THE COMMITTEE FROM THE HOUSE ON APPROPS. AND WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING. WE’VE HAD– THIS IS LIKE THE SECOND YEAR OF OUR TRADITION. YOU’RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES. WITH THAT IN MIND.>>THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>I DON’T KNOW IF THEY WANT A PICTURE? [ APPLAUSE ] I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT TO THEM.>>THERE’S A THOUGHT THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE A PICTURE OF SOME KIND?>>YES, SIR. CAN WE GET A PICTURE WITH THE STATE SCHOOL BOARD?>>ABSOLUTELY.>>WHY DON’T YOU COME DOWN TO THE END HERE AND STAND RIGHT BEHIND US. AND IT MAYBE– QUICKLY WE CAN MOVE IN PLACE HERE. [ OVERLAPPING CHATTER ]>>SO DO WE HAVE EVERYONE PRESENT? DO NOT RAISE YOUR HAND. [ LAUGHTER ] [ OVERLAPPING CHATTER ]>>WE’RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO– WE’RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO THE NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA AND I THINK SAM PICKED UP ON WHERE I WAS READY TO GO WITH EXCHANGING THE YOUNG PEOPLE FOR, BUT I WON’T FINISH THAT THOUGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] THE ED COMMITTEE AND CHAIRMAN ROGERS, IF YOU’D LIKE TO.>>APPROPRIATIONS.>>–APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. PLEASE JOIN US AT THE TABLE. WE’RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY AND WE’RE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON TIME.>>SOMEONE’S SMART TRY, BUT UH OH. ONE OF THEIR– THERE’S HALF THEIR BUDGET RIGHT THERE. [ OVERLAPPING CHATTER ]>>REPRESENTATIVE POTVIN, IT’S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE THAT YOU WERE ON CAMERA THERE, WITH YOU SEEM TO BE THE STAFF, THE PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE HOUSE IF LAST I RECALL.>>THE ASSISTANT, YES.>>YES. IN FACT, WE APPRECIATED THE PHOTO YOU SENT OF MY WIFE AND I THAT YOU TOOK AT ONE OF THE EVENTS AND WE HAVE IT IN OUR HOUSE. THANK YOU.>>I THINK IT WAS THE PAM POSTHUMOUS GATHERING LAST YEAR?>>IT WAS. IT WAS. THANK YOU. WELL, FOR THE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE A FEW FORMALITIES WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER FOR THE COMMITTEE TO BE CALLED TO ORDER, AND WE’RE GOING TO DO THAT. BUT FIRST OF ALL, JUST–>>ARE WE READY?>>JUST WELCOME, FIRST OF ALL, AND I– IN MY ROLE AS KIND OF STATE SUPERINTENDENT AND AS WELL AS CHAIRMAN, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THE HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEES TO THE BOARD TABLE. AND GIVEN THE COMMITTEE– JUST TO LAY OUT THE DAY A LITTLE BIT– GIVEN THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS CAUCUSES THIS AFTERNOON, WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO END BY NOON. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE HANNAH BUILDING. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AGAIN FOR A SECOND YEAR. AND I SHOULD SAY THAT, SINCE YOU’RE APPROPS, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE’S ONLY TWO FLOORS HERE THAT ARE THE DEPARTMENT OF ED, WE’RE NOT THIS FULLY FUNDED– [ LAUGHTER ] –BUILDING. AND SECONDLY, ON A SERIOUS NOTE, AS YOU KNOW– I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS FROM OUR WORK TOGETHER, BUT OVER 90% OF THE FOLKS THAT WORK HERE ARE FUNDED WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS. SO, YOU KNOW. BUT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE EVERY DOLLAR AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU’VE APPROVED IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THE DEPARTMENT. SO I WANTED JUST TO SAY THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST. SO WHY DON’T WE– THE FORMAL PART OF THIS I’M GOING TO TURN OVER TO CHAIRMAN ROGERS WHO’S GOING TO CALL HIS SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER.>>THANK YOU, SUPERINTENDENT. AND BY THE WAY, I HAVE TO CONCUR, THE PRIOR PRESENTATION WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE HIGHLIGHT OF OUR DAY ALSO. [ LAUGHTER ] REPRESENTATIVE BROWN ENCOURAGED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT BACK AT YOU A LITTLE BIT. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT WITH THAT, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, THIS YEAR. I FOUND IT INTERESTING, SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT, I’M ONE OF THE LONGEST STANDING CHAIRS ON APPROPRIATIONS, SCHOOL AID, IN RECENT HISTORY. AND I’M NOT SO SURE THAT THAT WAS A COMPLIMENT. BUT WITH THAT, WE’VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY NOW– THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW– TO MEET WITH THE STATE SCHOOL BOARD. AND PERSONALLY, I FIND THAT IT’S BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT WE CAN ALL DO SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE, BECAUSE MANY OF THE THINGS YOU DO, DO REFLECT ON WHAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO IN REGARD TO OUR BUDGET. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE SYSTEM WAS SET UP SO THAT YOU ARE MOSTLY FEDERAL FUNDED AND I THINK THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY. [ LAUGHTER ] SO, WITH THAT. I’D LIKE TO FIRST CALL TO ORDER THE HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. AND IF YOU WOULD KINDLY TAKE ROLL PLEASE?>>REPRESENTATIVE ROGERS?>>HERE.>>REPRESENTATIVE HOWRYLAK? LORI?>>HERE.>>POTVIN?>>PRESENT.>>SINGH?>>PRESENT.>>ZEMKE?>>HERE.>>MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM.>>MOTION IS IN ORDER FOR AN EXCUSED ABSENCE?>>SO MOVED.>>NEEDS A SUPPORT?>>SUPPORT.>>ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING “AYE?”>>AYE.>>OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES. LET’S MOVE ON TO CALLING TO ORDER THE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE ON SCHOOL AID. ROLL CALL PLEASE?>>REPRESENTATIVE ROGERS?>>HERE.>>POTVIN?>>PRESENT.>>LORI?>>HERE.>>HOWRYLAK? DILLON? BROWN?>>HERE.>>MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.>>THANK YOU AND AGAIN, A MOTION IN ORDER FOR EXCUSED ABSENCE?>>SO MOVED.>>SUPPORT.>>WE HAVE A MOTION AND SUPPORT. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING “AYE?”>>AYE.>>OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. AND WITH THAT, MR. SUPERINTENDENT?>>MR. CHAIR, I THINK WHAT WE’LL DO IS– EVEN THOUGH WE CALLED OUR MEETING TO ORDER, MAYBE IT’S IN ORDER FOR PRESIDENT JOHN AUSTIN TO START WITH INTRODUCTIONS THAT WILL — SO THE BOARD CAN INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND THEN I HAVE A FEW OPENING COMMENTS AND THEN TURNING IT OVER TO PRESIDENT JOHN AUSTIN.>>THANK YOU. PRESIDENT JOHN AUSTIN.>>VICE PRESIDENT CASANDRA ULBRICH.>>DAN VARNER. I SERVE AS SECRETARY.>>I’M LUPE RAMOS-MONTIGNY.>>BOBBI JO KENYON, MICHIGAN TEACHER OF THE YEAR.>>EILEEN WEISER.>>KATHLEEN STRAUS.>>MICHELLE FECTEAU.>>DR. RICHARD ZEILE, BOARD TREASURER.>>AND MIKE FLANAGAN, STATE SUPERINTENDENT. I KNOW MANY OF YOU FROM YOUR CURRENT WORK, BUT SAM– I WAS ON SAM’S BOARD WHEN HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATION. AND ADAM– APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT YOU JOINED SECRETARY DUNCAN LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD THAT EVENT. SAW YOU STAY THE WHOLE DAY. I JUST– WITH PERMISSION, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT, JUST FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THIS GOT SO MUCH PLAY YESTERDAY, THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN OUR REGULAR MEETING, TO SAY WITH BOTH– WITH THE COMMITTEE HERE ALSO– WE HAVE AN ISSUE RELATED TO SOME DISTRICTS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL RIGHT NOW. WE WERE ABLE TO APPROVE PONTIAC’S DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN ON FRIDAY– OR GO THROUGH IT FRIDAY NIGHT– AND ABLE TO GET WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY ON SATURDAY THAT WE COULD RELEASE THE FUNDS BASED ON AN APPROVED DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN. THE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE AN APPROVED DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN, OR AS STATE SUPERINTENDENT, I’M NOT ENTITLED TO RELEASE THAT MONEY. SO WE WERE GLAD THEY DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND THEN WE STARTED TO GET THAT WORD OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS THE FEAR OF A PAYLESS PAYDAY THIS COMING WEEK AND THAT A SITUATION SIMILAR TO WHAT’S HAPPENING IN BUENA VISTA, MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, KIND OF AN UPDATE ON BUENA VISTA, BECAUSE I– I DON’T WANT TO– I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY MALICE IN THIS, BUT BOY THERE’S COVERAGE ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE SOME OF THE– SOME OF THE MEDIA THIS MORNING– I THINK THE BOARD ESPECIALLY, BUT ALSO THE COMMITTEE AND OUR GUESTS HERE SHOULD UNDERSTAND A FEW THINGS. THE BUENA VISTA KIDS HAVE NOT BEEN IN SCHOOL FOR ABOUT A WEEK NOW, A LITTLE OVER A WEEK. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST IT’S BECAUSE THE SAME THING AS IS REQUIRED IN PONTIAC, IS REQUIRED OF ALL DISTRICTS. AND THAT IS, WE DON’T HAVE A DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN THAT WE CAN APPROVE. SO TWO THINGS, YESTERDAY I MET WITH THE LOCAL SUPERINTENDENT AND THE INTERMEDIATE. WE MET TO TRY TO FIND WHAT WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY WE COULD DO TO GET KIDS IN A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT, GIVEN THAT WE COULDN’T FUND A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL DAY BECAUSE OF THIS, KIND OF, CATCH-22. THAT IF THE BOARD THERE DOESN’T APPROVE A DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN AND WE CAN’T RECEIVE IT, THEY CAN’T GET TRADITIONAL STATE AID. SO I’D JUST THOUGHT I’D TAKE A MINUTE TO JUST SAY THAT WHAT’S BEEN REPORTED IS, I THINK, MINIMIZED THE EFFORT IN SOME CASES. IT’S BEEN CALLED THE SKILLS CAMP AND IT’S A BACKUP PLAN. I MEAN, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE BOARD TONIGHT, WILL APPROVE A DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN THAT –WHAT WE’VE SEEN IN ITS PRELIMINARY FORM– I THINK I COULD APPROVE TOMORROW. BUT THAT’S THEIR POSITION, IS THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT UP TONIGHT AT THEIR MEETING. WE ALSO, BASE ON WHAT WE CAME UP WITH YESTERDAY, WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO ADOPT THIS BACKUP PLAN, IN CASE THAT CAN’T HAPPEN. AND SO I KNOW IT– THIS EVEN GOT SOME NATIONAL PRESS LAST NIGHT ON MSNBC, AS I UNDERSTAND– AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE REASON IT WAS CALLED A CAMP, IS BECAUSE OF THE REASON I THINK IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR COMMITTEE IS, UNTIL THEY GET A DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN THAT CAN BE APPROVED, JUST LIKE IT WAS IN PONTIAC, WE CAN’T USE STATE MONEY. WE CAN USE FEDERAL MONEY. SO THE CREATIVITY IN YESTERDAY’S MEETING WAS TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO TAKE TITLE MONEY AND FEDERAL MONEY, AND PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE KIDS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. AND REMEMBER, IT’S COMPARED TO NOT BEING IN SCHOOL AT ALL. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, THAT NUMBER ONE, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN, IF THEY GAVE IT PRELIMINARY LOOK AT YESTERDAY AT 4:57 IN THE AFTERNOON, FROM THEIR ATTORNEYS AND FINANCIAL ADVISORS, LOOKS TO BE PRETTY GOOD. WE THINK WE COULD APPROVE THAT TOMORROW AND I NEED TO HEDGE JUST A TAD, BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT’S DONE AT THEIR BOARD MEETING TONIGHT. BUT PRESUMING THAT THEY COULD, THE IDEAL WORLD WOULD BE THAT WE QUICKLY EXPEDITE THAT APPROVAL TOMORROW AND THAT THEY GO BACK TO A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL, IN A SENSE. THE SAME WAY THAT PONTIAC IS IN SCHOOL. AND THEN USE THE MONEY THAT YOU APPROPRIATED FOR THEM. SO THERE’S A NUMBER OF CATCH-22s HERE, BUT I NEED TO EMPHASIZE– PARTICULARLY FOR THE PRESS HERE– THAT THE BACKUP PLAN WAS JUST A WAY TO TRY TO CREATIVELY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR KIDS IF WE COULDN’T DO THE TRADITIONAL PLAN. THAT OF COURSE WOULD BE PREFERABLE. AND BECAUSE OF THE, KIND OF, TIMELINESS OF THE APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE BEING HERE, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE AN OKAY UPDATE IF THAT SERVES US ALL WELL. AND NOW IT’S GOING TO START WITH THE– PLEASE JOHN.>>IT MAY BE A VERY IMPORTANT BACKDROP FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS, TO HAVE IN FRONT OF US– HOW DO WE, AS EDUCATION LEADERS, POLICYMAKERS AND FUNDERS IN YOUR CASE– NURTURE CONDITIONS THAT ALLOW SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO BE WELL GOVERNED AND MANAGED. SO THEY ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT ALSO, HOW DO WE CREATE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE ALL OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS BE FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED SO THAT WE DON’T HAVE A GROWING STRING OF BUENA VISTAS ON OUR HANDS. I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY A REAL IMPORTANT BACKDROP, OR TEXT FOR OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. AND I DO APPLAUD MIKE FOR FIGURING OUT A CREATIVE SOLUTION– IT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST PATH AVAILABLE– FOR KEEPING KIDS LEARNING AND TEACHERS TEACHING THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO FIND SOME FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURES OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT DON’T RELY ON CREATIVE SOLUTIONS LIKE THIS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT VERY MUCH. I WANT TO APPRECIATE VERY MUCH CHAIRMAN ROGERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, FOR COMING OVER HERE AND SITTING DOWN WITH US. AND BRINGING ALL YOUR FANS AND GROUPIES TOO. I MEAN, WE DON’T GET THAT MANY OVER HERE AT THE STATE BOARD, SO WE REALLY LIKE HAVING YOURS COME OVER WITH YOU. HAVING THE CHANCE TO TALK TOGETHER– I KNOW THIS BOARD, WE FIND– AND SUCCEEDED FINDING AS MUCH COMMON GROUND AS POSSIBLE OURSELVES ON SUPPORTING TOGETHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO IMPROVE EDUCATION, AND HAVING THE CHANCE TO DO THAT WITH YOU ALL IN THE LEGISLATURE IS CERTAINLY OUR INTEREST AND INTENT IS TO TRY TO FIND AS MUCH COMMON GROUND THAT IS ABOUT IMPROVING EDUCATION AS WE CAN. I’M GOING TO GIVE JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE BROAD STROKES OF HOW WE’VE BEEN VIEWING THE EDUCATION– REFORM IN EDUCATION FUNDING ISSUES. AND THEN CASANDRA IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE TOPICS DU JOUR. AND THEN, DELIGHTED TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU, CHAIRMAN ROGERS, AND OTHERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. WE AS A STATE– AND THAT’S CERTAINLY THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, YOU KNOW, IN BROAD FORM, WE’VE BEEN VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE AS A STATE, IN SUPPORTING A RANGE OF VERY TOUGH AND IMPORTANT EDUCATION REFORMS DEMANDING OUR STUDENTS MEET HIGH LEARNING STANDARD AND EXPECTATIONS, WHICH I HOPE WILL CARRY THE COURSE. THAT STOCKBRIDGE PRESENTATION WAS A REMINDER OF HOW POWERFUL IT IS TO DELIVER THE RIGOROUS STANDARDS IN EXCITING WAYS. WE’VE DEMANDED A LOT OF TEACHERS. TEACHER QUALITY, TEACHER PREPARATION, TEACHER TENURE REFORM, SO THAT TEACHERS ARE IMPROVED AND ASSESS ON AN ONGOING BASIS. THAT ASSESSMENT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT THING TO GET RIGHT. AND SUPPORTING THAT TO GET IT RIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE HAVE STRONG SUPPORT, AGAIN, AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, OUR ACTIONS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY. MAKING IT CLEAR WHICH SCHOOLS ARE PERFORMING. MAKING IT CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO TURN AROUND AND/OR SHUT DOWN OR REPLACE SCHOOLS THAT AREN’T PERFORMING. WE HAVE EMBRACED HERE, NEW MODELS OF LEARNING, ALL SORTS OF NEW STRUCTURES FOR DELIVERY OF EDUCATION. WHATEVER WORKS TO EDUCATE KIDS, INCLUDING NEW CHOICES. AND THE NEW CHOICES– THERE ARE CHARTERS AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES, IF THEY DELIVER HIGH QUALITY LEARNING, PERIOD. I MEAN, THAT’S OUR GOAL. EMBRACE OF THOSE TYPES OF CHOICES. WE’VE EVEN TOGETHER MADE HUGE CHANGES IN THE WAY– IN THE REFORMS FOR THE NON-INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES: BENEFIT SYSTEMS, CONSOLIDATION AND SHARED SERVICES IN THE NON-INSTRUCTIONAL AREA. ALL ARE IMPORTANT TO SAVE MONEY AND BRING EDUCATION INTO THE 21st CENTURY. I WILL SAY, AND CERTAINLY FROM THE BOARD’S PERSPECTIVE, THESE REFORMS, IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM FLY– IN ORDER TO SUCCEED IN IMPLEMENTING THEM, WE DO FUNDAMENTALLY NEED TO INVEST MORE IN EDUCATION AT ALL LEVELS. I’M DELIGHTED THAT WE’RE SEEING A REALIZATION OF THE POWER OF EARLY CHILDHOOD INVESTMENT AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE AND THE LEGISLATURE ON THAT PATH OF EXPANDING ACCESS TO EARLY LEARNING: ONE OF THE BEST INVESTMENTS WE CAN MAKE. I DO BELIEVE THOUGH, THAT WE NEED TO– WITH ALL THESE REFORMS WE MADE– THE TIME IS RIGHT TO INVEST MORE IN K-12 TO SUPPORT EXCELLENT TEACHING. TO SUPPORT THE ARTS AND MUSIC AND PEER ACTIVITIES THAT MAKE SCHOOLS AND LEARNING COME ALIVE. I JUST– ONE EXAMPLE– YOU KNOW, MANY OF US WERE AT THE EDUCATION SUMMIT OF THE GOVERNOR’S– DOUG ROTHWELL, BUSINESS LEADERS FOR MICHIGAN, WHEN BASICALLY SUMMING UP WHAT’S THE MAIN TAKEAWAY OF THAT DISCUSSION? WE NEED ENHANCED COLLEGE AND CAREER GUIDANCE. AND I JUST NOTE THAT WE CAN’T AFFORD COLLEGE AND CAREER GUIDANCE INSTRUCTORS HARDLY AT ALL IN OUR SCHOOLS TODAY. SO WE’RE GOING TO ENHANCE IT, WE NEED TO ENHANCE IT AND THAT REQUIRES MORE RESOURCES. AND OUR HIGHER EDUCATION ACCESS NEEDS TO BE ENHANCED WITH MORE FUNDING. THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, I MEAN, IS SERIOUS AND OPEN ABOUT IMPLEMENTING ALL THESE REFORMS. THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO PROVIDE. AS MIKE NOTED, THE STAFFING HERE HAS BEEN– I DON’T THINK IT’S AS PURPOSELY DONE AS YOU WERE SUGGESTING CHAIRMAN ROGERS– PARED BACK FROM, AND BEYOND THE BONE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO IMPLEMENT THE THINGS, EVEN THE TOUGH REFORMS. IF WE’RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE COMMON CORE OF HIGH LEARNING STANDARDS, WE’VE GOT TO GO OUT AND HELP PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO DO IT. IF WE’RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT SCHOOL REDESIGN AND TURNAROUND EFFORTS TO HELP THEM TURN AROUND AND AVOID MORE SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT SUCCEEDING, WE’VE GOT TO HELP THEM DO IT. IF WE’RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE TEACHER EVALUATION PROGRAM THAT’S SUPPORTIVE AND MEANINGFUL, WE’VE GOT TO HAVE STAFF TO HELP THEM DO IT. IF WE’RE GOING TO INTEGRATE CTE WITH THE ACADEMIC RIGOR THAT YOU SAW THIS MORNING, THAT REQUIRES STAFF TO DO IT. SO I RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE TWO FTEs FOR THE FIELD SERVICES PROGRAM. THE ONE FTE FOR THE EDUCATION IMPROVEMENT AND INNOVATION WORK, AND THE ONE FTE FOR THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SUPPORT THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO HELP US DELIVER THE GOODS, EVEN IF IT’S JUST THE REFORM GOODS. BUT I ALSO ENCOURAGE US ALL TO BE REFLECTING ON HOW WE FIND THE WILL TO INVEST IN THE MOST POWERFUL THING WE CAN AND THAT’S IMPROVING LEARNING FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. NOW CASANDRA, I WANT TO ASK TO HELP DESCRIBE SOME OF THE SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE ISSUES OF THE MOMENT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT WITH YOU ON.>>SURE THING. AND I TOO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MEETING TODAY. I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR US BOTH TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DECISIONS THAT OUR RESPECTIVE PUBLIC BODIES MAKE AND WHAT GOES INTO THOSE. AND ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR THE DIFFICULT WORK THAT GOES INTO ESTABLISHING A BUDGET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING A FEW ITEMS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND SOLICIT YOUR REACTIONS AND YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. THE FIRST IS THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS. BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS INCLUDE A PROHIBITION ON THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION SPENDING– ALLOCATING MONEY ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS. AND THE HOUSE VERSION ALSO– EXCUSE ME– AND THE HOUSE VERSION ALSO HAS A PROHIBITION ON IMPLEMENTING THE SMARTER BALANCED ASSESSMENT. AS YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THIS BODY VOTED TO ADOPT THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS. AND WE JOINED 44 OTHER STATE, PLUS THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, PLUS A NUMBER OF TERRITORIES, IN ADOPTING THESE COMMON CORES STANDARDS WHICH– THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION THAT THE STANDARDS ARE CURRICULUM. AND THEY ARE NOT. THE TWO ARE SEPARATE. A CURRICULUM IS WHAT YOU TEACH. STANDARDS ARE ABOUT STUDENTS HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO TO DEMONSTRATE THE MASTERY OF THE THINGS THAT WE’RE TEACHING. IT’S CLEAR, CONSISTENT GOALS FOR ALL STUDENTS. IT HELPS THEM DEVELOP CRITICAL THINKING AND COMMUNICATIONS SKILLS. THESE ARE JUST A ROADMAP IF YOU WILL, FOR STUDENTS. AND THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS ALLOWS FOR CONSISTENCY ACROSS MULTIPLE STATES. SO THAT IF A STUDENT MOVES FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER, THEY’RE NOT EITHER WAY AHEAD OR WAY BEHIND OF WHAT THAT OTHER STATE MIGHT BE. AND THEN IT ALSO ALLOWS STATES TO MORE ACCURATELY COMPARE THEMSELVES FROM STATE TO STATE. RIGHT NOW, WE JUST DON’T HAVE AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF THAT AT THE MOMENT. MICHIGAN WAS FORTUNATE TO ALREADY HAVE HIGH STANDARDS IN PLACE WHEN THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS WERE INITIATED BY THE NATIONAL GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION AND THE CCSSO. SO WHILE THE COMMON CORE IS AN IMPROVEMENT, BECAUSE THEY’RE MUCH MORE FOCUSED THAN WHAT WE HAD, WE WERE ALREADY THERE. WE ALREADY HAD HIGH STANDARDS. SO WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE IN THAT POSITION. LOCAL SCHOOLS HAVE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS NOW IMPLEMENTING THE STATE STANDARDS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE VOTED TO ADOPT THESE. AND IF THIS IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY, THEN ESSENTIALLY, OUR LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS WOULD CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THEM, BUT THEY WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO RELY ON THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION FOR ANY ASSISTANCE WHATSOEVER. SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF THAT AS THE BUDGET PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. THE SECOND ITEM THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION– ACTUALLY THE NEXT TWO ARE BOTH IN THE SENATE BILLS. BUT ONE SENATE BILL INCLUDES PROHIBITION LANGUAGE ON ECIC. LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT SPENDING ON ADMINISTRATION FOR THE ECIC. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE THE OFFICE OF GREAT START HERE AT THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND WE’VE ACTUALLY BEGUN DEVELOPING A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ECIC AND ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH CONTRACTING FOR SPECIFIC SERVICES BASED ON PERFORMANCE BASED CONTRACTS. AND SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN ALTER THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT. AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS THE LEGISLATIVE OMBUDS PERSON LANGUAGE. THE SENATE BILL ALSO INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT WOULD CREATE A LEGISLATIVE OMBUDS PERSON TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE LEGISLATURE. THE DEPARTMENT HAS STRIVED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE LEGISLATURE AS IT’S REQUESTED, AND WE DO HAVE A LEGISLATIVE LIAISON POSITION ALREADY. AND SO THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT TO USE THE DEPARTMENT’S OWN FUNDS TO HIRE SOMEONE THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE REPORTING TO THE LEGISLATURE. AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT ALREADY, AS YOU KNOW, DOES NOT HAVE A LARGE BUDGET FOR STAFF. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE.>>THANK YOU, JOHN AND CASANDRA. AND THEN I THINK THE FORMAT WAS CHAIRMAN ROGERS, AS YOU SEE FIT TO START OUT WITH COMMENTS AND THEN IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE FIRST PRIVILEGE, IN EFFECT, RECOGNIZING ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS TO CONTINUE AND THEN I, IN TURN, WILL DO SO WITH BOARD MEMBERS HERE.>>THANK YOU, SUPERINTENDENT. AND, BY THE WAY, IT WAS A PRIVILEGE AND HONOR ALSO– I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN NOVI LAST NIGHT WITH CASANDRA AND WITH JOHN. WE WERE PART OF A PANEL REGARDING EDUCATION AND–>>OH, YES. HEAVEN FORBID. I WALKED RIGHT BY YOU AS I WAS ROLLING IN. I APOLOGIZE. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH NOT ONLY EDUCATORS, BUT PARENTS. AND THERE WERE EVEN SOME CHILDREN IN THE ROOM. SO A LOT OF THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION, THOUGH NOT NECESSARILY CALLING OUT SAY ECIC OR EARLY CHILDHOOD, BUT DEFINITELY COMMON CORE WAS OUT THERE, FUNDING IN GENERAL. SO EXCELLENT EVENING. AND AS WE HAD DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT, EILEEN, BUT– REGARDLESS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FROM THE HOUSE PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS IN OUR BUDGET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON IS, AND WE HAVE NOW FOR THE SECOND YEAR, IS WE ARE HEADING TOWARDS A COMPUTER ADAPTIVE TEST. WE’VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT THE MEAP DOES NOT ACTUALLY TEST GROWTH. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT IF THIS IS FACT, WHICH IT SEEMS TO BE FACT– THE COMPUTER ADAPTIVE TEST IS HERE IN 2015, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY FOR CONDUCTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE DO NOT HAVE CURRENTLY THE ABILITY TO HAVE ENOUGH HARDWARE WHERE WE’RE NOT SHUTTING DOWN POTENTIALLY COMPLETE LIBRARIES, ALONG WITH THEIR COMPUTER LABS. AND SO OUR GOAL WAS TO WORK ON THE IT GRANTS SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS FUNNY, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY PLANNING AHEAD ON A PROJECT AND TRYING TO FUND IT AHEAD SO THAT WE COULDN’T SAY IN 2015, WHICH HONESTLY, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO, SAY, 2015 IS HERE AND BY THE WAY, THE SWITCH IS ON AND YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. AND EVERYBODY IS SAYING, “WELL, WE DON’T HAVE THE ABILITY “TO HOOK UP TODAY.” OR, “WE DIDN’T.” SO WE’RE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE FORWARD PLANNING IN THAT REGARD. AND THAT HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY BIG FOCUS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. FREQUENTLY I HEAR– AND I’VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF SUPERINTENDENTS RECENTLY IS– WE TALK ABOUT COLLEGE AND CAREER READY, AND MANY OF THEM WILL ADMIT, “YES, WE ARE GEARING “TOWARDS COLLEGE READY, BUT “WE’RE STILL NOT REALLY” “GEARING THE CAREER READY.” AND I STILL USE THE OLD TERM, IT’S CALLED “VOC ED.” I THINK IT’S A CRITICAL COMPONENT. I THINK YOU NEED PARALLEL PATHS FOR THESE KIDS. I HAPPEN TO BE IN AN INDUSTRY THAT, EVEN THE EQUIPMENT, I.E. YOUR FURNACES OR YOUR PLUMBING, THE HOUSES THAT I’D BUILD, ARE FAR MORE ADVANCED THAN THEY EVER WERE. SO WITH THAT GOES A P-20 SYSTEM. AND I WOULD, IN A PERFECT WORLD, LOVE TO SEE A P-20 SYSTEM THAT’S AN EDUCATION SYSTEM. I’M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTIES WHO ARE EDUCATING KIDS. YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF WHAT YOU WANT, BUT OUR GOAL HAS TO BE TOWARDS THAT P-20, WHICH IS AN ADVANCED DEGREE. BECAUSE LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT, YOU HAVE TO BE A COMPUTER TECH EVEN TO OPERATE IT. AND THAT WOULD BE A SET BACK THERMOSTAT FOR SOME OF US. SO WE’RE FOCUSING ON THAT KIND OF A PACKAGE. EARLY CHILDHOOD IS CRITICAL. I THINK WE ARE ALL CONVINCED THAT THROUGH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND ALL OF THE FEEDBACK, THAT IT IS A LEGITIMATE DEBATE TO HAVE AND A LEGITIMATE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR OUR YOUTH. AND WE EVEN HEAR HOW– I’VE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK ON THE FOREIGN LANGUAGE COMPONENT THAT’S OUT THERE, OR LACK THEREOF. THEY’RE SAYING WE SHOULD DRILL THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THEIR BRAINS ARE MUSH AND THEY CAN ABSORB. SO WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY LEARN IT, INSTEAD OF SOME OF US THAT ARE PROBABLY TOO STUBBORN TO. SO LET’S TAKE ADVANTAGE AND DO THAT. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON IN THE BUDGET, BUT AGAIN, THE PRIMARY COMPONENT WAS THAT IT COMPONENT, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE INSTANT FEEDBACK TO THE TEACHERS SO THEY CAN ADDRESS THEIR STUDENTS. BECAUSE WE DON’T ALL LEARN AT THE SAME PACE. ANY ONE OF USE MAY HAVE BEEN BRILLIANT AT MATH AND POOR AT SCIENCE. OR BRILLIANT IN SCIENCE AND POOR AT ENGLISH. AND THAT’S NOT WRONG. THAT’S THE WAY– THAT’S OUR MAKEUP. AND SO LET’S MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AND GET EVERYBODY UP TO TASK. AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS A KEY COMPONENT. WE FREQUENTLY HEARD THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A DISCONNECT. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM HAS THE DEVELOPMENT IT NEEDS AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PUT IT INTO THE CLASSROOM. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY, I GUESS, MY OPENING COMMENTS. I’M SURE WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF GREAT CONVERSATION AS USUAL, AND I REALLY WANT THE MEMBERS HERE– I’VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MANY OF YOU. I DON’T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE. SO I’M HOPING THAT THEY HAVE, WOULD KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO THEM AS WE PROGRESS. SO, WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK TO YOU.>>BILL, BEFORE I ACTUALLY ASK YOU TO START AND, YOU KNOW, PRIVILEGE AS A GUEST HERE, TO INTRODUCE A MEMBER TO START THIS DISCUSSION, I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE I CAME IN HERE ONE DAY AND I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE FROM THE LEGISLATURE HERE WHEN WE’VE HAD A DEFICIT REDUCTION MEETING WITH A TEAM FROM A DISTRICT. AND THE BRIGHTON TEAM WAS HERE, THE SUPERINTENDENT, THE BOARD, THE UNION OFFICIALS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS HEROIC, ALMOST, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW UP IN THAT FORUM. BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MONEY AND APPROPRIATIONS AND THE REST. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD MODELING AND WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS THAT REPRESENT SOME OF THE DISTRICTS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE MEETINGS WHEN WE HAVE THEM HERE IN THE DEPARTMENT. THAT’S WHERE MOST OF THIS– WE HAVE ABOUT 40 DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN DEFICIT. IT’S 47 ACTUALLY.>>FORTY-NINE.>>FORTY-NINE. SO THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING THE PRESS, THAT I NEED TO JUST POINT OUT TO YOU, THAT THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER ARE SOLVING THEIR PROBLEMS. AND SOMETIMES WHEN IT GETS TO THIS TABLE WHERE THEY COME IN AND MEET WITH CAROL WOLENBERG, DEPUTY AND OTHERS. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR– I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE AND REALLY HELPED BRIGHTON START TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD GET THEIR OWN SITUATION RESOLVED WITHIN THE WAY THE LAW IS CONSTRUCTED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WOULD DEFER BACK TO YOU TO START WITH THE MEMBERS YOU SEE FIT.>>IS THERE A MEMBER THAT WISHES? REPRESENTATIVE BROWN. AND BY THE WAY, REPRESENTATIVE BROWN WAS BASICALLY MY PREDECESSOR, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO CHAIRMEN OUT THERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SUBCOMMITTEE.>>AND I’M HAPPY THAT CHAIRMAN ROGERS TAKES THE HEAT. [ LAUGHTER ] AND MIKE, I– I WAS SURPRISED THAT OUR CHAIR DIDN’T REMIND YOU THAT YOUR SALARY IS STILL, YOU KNOW, STATE MONEY. [ LAUGHTER ] SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT WENT FEDERAL, WE KEPT YOURS IN OUR HANDS.>>THANK YOU.>>SO THERE’S A REASON FOR THAT, RIGHT? [ LAUGHTER ] SPEAKING ABOUT MONEY, WHICH IS WHAT WE SPEAK A LOT ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND KIND OF WHAT HAS BEEN ALREADY TALKED ABOUT– THE BUENA VISTA, THE PONTIAC SITUATION, FORTY-NINE DISTRICTS IN DEFICIT REDUCTION PLAN. AND LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, TOMORROW WE’LL BE MEETING WITH THE TEAM ON THE REVENUE ESTIMATING CONFERENCE AND LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY $90 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IN THE SCHOOL AID FUND. ABOUT $500 MILLION AS I THINK MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE OVERALL. YOU’VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW WHERE THE SENATE, THE HOUSE IS ON BUDGET. WHAT RECOMMENDATION DO YOU– A FEW WEEKS AGO WE APPROVED MONEY FOR DREDGING OUR HARBORS, WHICH I APPROVE. WITH 100-SOME MILES OF SHORELINE IN MY DISTRICT, THAT’S VERY CRITICAL FOR US. IT’S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, BUT I ALSO SEE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION FOR OUR SCHOOLS. HOW TO HEAD OFF THESE SITUATIONS BEFORE THEY OCCUR AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS AREN’T SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR INACTION. SO MAYBE YOU’D SPEAK TO THAT?>>WELL, I WOULD START, BUT ALSO DEFER TO BOARD MEMBERS. YOU KNOW I– OUR JOB HERE IN THE DEPARTMENT IS NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF APPROPRIATIONS, WE HAVE TO CARRY OUT THE LAW. WHICH FORCES US TO BE IN THE POSITION WE’RE IN WITH PONTIAC AND BUENA VISTA. HAVING SAID THAT, IF I PUT MY STATE SUPERINTENDENT HAT ON AS KIND OF I GUESS A CHIEF EDUCATOR IN THE STATE, THERE IS A RESOURCE ISSUES AND IT’S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT WITH OUR KIDS THAT ARE MOST AT-RISK. SO WHETHER THIS IS TARGETED THROUGH 31A MONEY, I MEAN, IDEALLY IF THE ECONOMY WAS SUCH THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THIS ACROSS THE BOARD, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST IDEAL THING. MINIMALLY, THOUGH MOST OF THESE DISTRICTS ARE THOSE THAT ARE IN SITUATIONS– I MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT YOU’VE DONE ON THE EARLY CHILDHOOD FUNDING. THAT’S A TARGETED FUNDING THAT WILL HELP PARTICULARLY AT-RISK KIDS. BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT IT’S DOING. IT’S TRYING TO FUND THE REMAINING FOUR YEAR OLDS THAT ARE QUALIFIED FOR THIS. AND I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM TO BE IN A STATE WHERE THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS GOT TOGETHER ON THAT TARGETED FUNDING, BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. THOSE ARE THE VERY KIDS THAT ARE MOST VULNERABLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO READ AT 3rd GRADE LEVEL. AND OUR WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED ON KIDS LEARNING TO READ BY 3rd GRADE, SO THAT THEY CAN READ TO LEARN FOR THE REST OF THAT TIME. OTHERWISE, WE CAN’T CATCH UP. SO I MEAN THAT’S AN EXAMPLE WHERE I THINK YOU AND– YOU KNOW, IT IS A LITTLE SELF SERVING FOR US TO SAY– BUT I THINK THE BOARD STARTED THAT DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT, IF WE HAD TO TARGET MONEY– I MEAN, IDEALLY, OUR STATE WOULD BE IN A MUCH BETTER ECONOMIC SITUATION TO DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD. MINIMALLY WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO DO WHAT YOU DID ON EARLY CHILDHOOD AND IF I WERE TO SUGGEST ONE, IT WOULD JUST BE CERTAINLY THESE DISTRICTS THAT ARE MOST AT-RISK, THAT HAVE THE KIDS THAT ARE MOST AT-RISK, NEED EXTRA RESOURCES. I MEAN, THAT– YOU KNOW, I’M NOT PUTTING MY DEFICIT ELIMINATION IMPLEMENTER HAT ON, WHICH WE’RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONFUSE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WE HAVE TO KEEP DISTRICTS FEET TO THE FIRE, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN THAT WORKS, IN SPITE OF WHAT I JUST SAID. BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN’T PRETEND THAT– I’VE BEEN A SUPERINTENDENT OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER FOR 25 YEARS NOW. AND WHEN I WAS A LOCAL SUPERINTENDENT, I WAS IN A POOR DISTRICT AND IN A RICH DISTRICT. AND YOU CAN DO A LOT MORE FOR KIDS– THIS WAS PRIOR TO PROP A– BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO A LOT MORE FOR KIDS WHEN THAT SAME DISTRICT I WAS IN, OVERNIGHT, PRETTY MUCH BECAME RICH. BECAUSE THE I-275 CORRIDOR AND I-96 HAD ALL THESE WORLD HEADQUARTERS BUILT IN IT. SO OUR CLASS SIZE WENT DOWN. WE PUT IN THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE DAY ACROSS THE BOARD. I MEAN– SO I MEAN, I JUST DON’T THINK ANY OF US COULD SAY RESOURCES DON’T MATTER. THEY DO. BUT IF WE HAD TO TARGET, I WOULD JUST, AS ONE PERSON, SAY THAT I THINK THE WAY YOU DID IT WITH EARLY CHILDHOOD WAS SMART, IT’S A BEGINNING. I WOULD THINK ABOUT AT-RISK STUDENTS AS THE NEXT LEVEL. AND THEN IDEALLY, ALL STUDENTS TO HAVE AS MANY RESOURCES BEHIND THEM AS WE COULD AFFORD.>>AND CAN I JUST ADD? IT MAY BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BE THE MAIN TEXT: HOW DO WE TAKE DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS, IF THEY GROW? AND ALSO, HOW DO WE RAISE MORE RESOURCES TO INVEST IT SMARTLY IN IMPROVING EDUCATION AS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE COULD DO? YOU KNOW, LIKE MIKE, I THINK I AND OTHERS ON THE BOARD, WE’D LOVE TO ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION AND HELP LEAD IT WITH YOU ALL. WHERE DO YOU PUT IT TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? YOU COULD PUT IT IN TEACHER QUALITY, TEACHER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, MASTER TEACHERS. YOU COULD PUT IT IN EARLY CHILDHOOD, YOU PUT IT IN WHERE IT’S NEEDED MOST IN TURNING AROUND THE UNDERACHIEVING AND CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. BUT I ALSO THINK, IF WE CONTINUE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE PACKAGE RESOURCES TO DELIVER QUALITY, OR REPACKAGE THEM, WHICH WAS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ENGENDERED BY THE “LOOK AT SCHOOL FINANCE” OF OXFORD, WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR MORE ROBUST EDUCATION SERVICES AND QUALITY. SO WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR COMPREHENSIVE, FULL-SERVICE SCHOOLS. WITH LIVE-IN TEACHERS, COUNSELORS, ARTS, MUSIC. WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR ROBUST, RIGOROUS CAREER TECHNICAL, WHICH DOES COST MORE, BUT ALSO DELIVERS MORE, AS WE SAW THIS MORNING. WE COULD BE PAYING MORE FOR EARLY COLLEGE, MIDDLE COLLEGES, DUAL ENROLLMENT. SO YOU HOLD HARMLESS– THERE’S A DISINCENTIVE NOW– HIGH SCHOOLS DON’T WANT TO SEND A YOUNG PERSON ON TO TAKE A COMMUNITY COLLEGE COURSE LIKE WE’RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, BECAUSE THEY’D LOSE MONEY. THE STATES THAT ARE SHOWING THE WAY ON ANY PACE LEARNING, THEY PAY FOR IT. THEY MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE 13th YEAR LIKE MACOMB OR OTHER THAT WE ARE DOING. AND WE SHOULD BE PAYING THEM LESS FOR ONLINE ONLY LEARNING OR THINGS THAT MAYBE DELIVER LESS OUTCOME. SO THERE’S A WAY TO TIER– AND WE SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR HIGH SCHOOLS AND LESS FOR ELEMENTARY. I MEAN, THERE’S A WAY TO RETHINK, FUNDAMENTALLY, THE WAY WE FINANCE SCHOOLS, WHICH COULD ACTUALLY BE AN INCENTIVE FOR BETTER OUTCOMES, HIGHER ACHIEVING, MORE QUALITY EDUCATION. NOT– AND A DISINCENTIVE FOR THE LESSER QUALITY, LESS EXPENSIVE EDUCATION.>>THANK YOU, TERRY, FOR THAT QUESTION AND THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THEN WITH MAYBE THE BOARD PUTTING A POSITION OUT THERE AND ASKING OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE HOUSE TO–>>WHY DON’T WE ASK EILEEN WEISER, AS OUR RANKING REPUBLICAN, TO GO NEXT? WOULD THAT BE GOOD?>>OKAY, SURE.>>GEE, AND PLEASURE TO BE HERE. I’M GLAD THAT YOU’RE HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I’VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT BLENDED INSTRUCTION. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THERE’S NOT CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD FOR THE EDUCATION ACHIEVEMENT AUTHORITY’S ABILITY TO GO FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THE STAND THAT YOU TOOK, BECAUSE IN EARLIER CONVERSATIONS, THE BOARD HAS IDENTIFIED BETWEEN 200 AND 500 SCHOOLS IN WHICH TEACHERS AND CHILDREN AREN’T CONNECTING THE KIND OF EDUCATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS FOR THEM TO IMPROVE OVER TIME, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING AS DIFFERENT AS THE EAA, BUT AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOW TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED IN THE SCHOOLS WISELY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TEACHERS WANT MOST, BESIDES AN INFORMATIVE ASSESSMENT, WHERE THEY CAN LEARN SOMETHING BACK FROM THE JUDGEMENTS THAT ARE BEING– THE ONE MOMENT SNAPSHOT IN TIME FROM A CHILD. THE OTHER THING THAT THEY REALLY WANT IS SOMETHING CALLED DIFFERENTIATED INSTRUCTION. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A CHILD’S LIFE AND IT’S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS. WE HAVE A GENERATION OF CHILDREN COMING UP NOW, ARE ENTERING KINDERGARTENS, HAVE BEEN SWIPING iPADS SINCE THEY WERE TWO. AND THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AS WELL IN A TEACHER CENTERED CLASSROOM THAT IS NOT ACTIVE AND NOT LEARNING AND NOT SIMILAR TO AN ENVIRONMENT AT HOME, WHERE CHILDREN FROM, EVEN WORKING CLASS FAMILIES NOW, ARE HAVING ACCESS TO HANDHELDS BECAUSE THE PRICE HAS DROPPED DOWN. SO THERE’S A MOMENT IN TIME HERE FOR TREMENDOUS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR TEACHERS. I OFTEN HEAR THE PHRASE THAT “COMPUTERS WILL NEVER “REPLACE TEACHERS “BUT TEACHERS WHO USE COMPUTERS “WILL REPLACE TEACHERS “WHO DON’T.” AND I ASK FOR OPENNESS ON THE PART OF EVERY ADULT HERE WHO IS OVER THE AGE OF 30, OR MAYBE 25, THE DIVISIONAL CUTOFF I THINK IS– WHAT’S THE PREVAILING WISDOM ON THAT, 20 OR 25 NOW? MAYBE 30? SO FOR THE REST OF US, AS DIGITAL TOURISTS, WE’RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE DON’T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND. AND LEARNING TO VALUE THEM AND TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK FROM TEACHERS AND CHILDREN AS THEY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT WAY OF LEARNING, WHICH YOU SAW TODAY. THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE FOR THE STOCKBRIDGE PRESENTATION, IT’S EXTREMELY POWERFUL. ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE’RE HAVING RIGHT NOW ABOUT COMMON CORE, FOR ME, FOCUSED ON EITHER POLITICAL OR EDUCATIONAL. WHEN I SEE WHAT HIGH STANDARDS AND RIGOR ARE ALLOWING TEACHERS TO DO IN THE CLASSROOM, WHEN WE ASK FOR IT, TEACHERS ARE RISING TO THE OCCASION AND STUDENTS WANT TO GO THERE. THE ABILITY TO USE DIGITAL INSTRUCTION OF SOME SORT, IT’S GOING TO BE A POWERFUL COMPONENT OF THAT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE REALLY GOOD SOFTWARE FOR PART OF YOUR INSTRUCTION IN THE CLASSROOM, THE TEACHERS CAN INSTANTLY SEE WHAT A CHILD IS DOING OR DOESN’T UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, THESE PROGRAMS ALLOW YOU TO ANSWER A BANK OF QUESTIONS. IF YOU DON’T DO WELL ON THAT YOU GO DOWN, IF YOU DO WELL YOU GO UP. SO A TEACHER CAN GET TO THE ROOT OF WHY A CHILD DOESN’T UNDERSTAND SYNTAX OR WHY THEY’RE NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF MATH. THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO ATTEND TO IT AND TO FIX IT QUICKLY. AND THAT’S THE LARGEST THING IN INSTRUCTION. I THINK ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THAT THAT ABILITY WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. SO I BEG FOR YOUR CURIOSITY AND YOUR TOLERANCE ON THINGS THAT DON’T FIT QUITE WELL INTO WHAT WE KNOW AND YOUR SENSE OF ADVENTURE. THANKS.>>WELL, ONE THING I’D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT IN THAT I HAVE BEEN POLLING TEACHERS AND CLASSROOMS AND THE EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY. ARE WE TO THE POINT WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE E-READERS IN LIEU OF TEXTBOOKS? I WATCH SOME OF THESE KIDS EVERYWHERE AND THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE. AGAIN, MOST THINGS THAT I CANNOT OPERATE BUT– AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE THE EARPLUGS. WE SEE SOME SCHOOLS ARE NOW RETHINKING USING THE SMARTPHONES AND SO THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM, BUT USING THEM, AGAIN, AS AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL. IN THE SAME BREADTH, I WAS IN A CLASSROOM WITH THESE SMART BOARDS– THE REALLY HIGH TECH STUFF. MANY OF THE CLASSROOMS, THEY WEREN’T USING IT, BECAUSE THEY HADN’T BEEN TRAINED IN IT. AND THAT GOES TO OUR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. I THOUGHT, WHAT A WASTE. [ INDISTINCT ] [ LAUGHTER ] MY GOODNESS.>>THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD?>>YEAH. [ OVERLAPPING CHATTER ] [ LAUGHTER ] IT WILL COME OUT EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE. [ LAUGHTER ] THAT’S TECHNOLOGY AND I MUST HAVE BEEN OPERATING IT, THAT’S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SO MY QUESTION ALSO BACK TO YOU AND ACTUALLY TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, ARE WE THERE YET SO THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER ON HOW WE PUT FUNDS TOGETHER FOR IT? I DON’T EXPECT THAT IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE IF THAT’S THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO. AND ALSO, LET’S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SMART BOARDS IF IN FACT THEY’RE THERE AND UNDERUTILIZED, THAT’S A TRAGEDY. BECAUSE I JUST DON’T WANT TO BUY THINGS FOR THE SAKE OF SITTING ON A SHELF OR, YOU KNOW, IN A LIBRARY, WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE. SO THAT’S HOW I KIND OF THROW THAT BACK FOR GENERAL CONVERSATION.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON’T WANT TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW SOMETHING TO SOLIDIFY YOUR POINT, ALONG WITH BOARD MEMBER WEISER. THE LIGHTS CAN COME DOWN FOR JUST A SECOND HERE.>>AND WHILE WE’RE DIMMING THE LIGHTS, IF I CAN MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT– TODAY’S– NEXT FALL’S KINDERGARTNERS, IF WE ALL RETIRE AT 65, WILL BE RETIRING IN 2073. SO WHEN I LOOK AT TODAY’S STANDARDS AND RIGOR AND THE POSSIBILITY THE CHILD ENTERING A VOC ED COURSE, BUT COMING OUT LATER ON AS THEY PROGRESS THROUGH LIFE WITH OTHER DEGREES, IT SEEMS SO IMPORTANT TO DO THAT. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO FACE AND IF THEY DON’T HAVE A RIGOROUS HIGH SCHOOL– K-12 EXPERIENCE, IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK. THEY HAVE TO PAY OUR RETIREMENT.>>THAT’S TRUE. AND WE– I THINK WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR FOR THOSE THAT WENT TO THE EDUCATION SUMMIT– THE GOVERNOR’S EDUCATION SUMMIT– IS HOW DO WE PREDICT WHAT THOSE JOBS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE?>>AND I’VE KIND OF USED THE POSITION HERE TO FORCE THE BOARD TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ONCE A MONTH AND THIS WILL HELP REINFORCE YOUR PLAN, I HOPE.>>WOULDN’T BE THE SAME WITHOUT THAT.>>RIGHT– THERE I AM WITH MY THREE GRAND-KIDS AND–>>PICNIC IS NEXT. [ LAUGHTER ]>>– THEY’RE ON AN iPAD. AND I MEAN, IT IS TO REINFORCE YOUR POINT, SOME OF THE– WHEN MY GRANDDAUGHTER ON THE LEFT, WHO IS NOW THREE, WAS ONE YEAR OLD, SHE LITERALLY WENT UP TO OUR COFFEE TABLE, WHERE WE HAVE COFFEE TABLE BOOKS, AND WAS TRYING TO SWIPE THE COVER AND MOVE IT. SO I MEAN, THEY’RE– LITERALLY THEIR BRAINS ARE BEING REWIRED DIFFERENTLY THAN OURS. IT’S HARD FOR US TO RELATE TO THIS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS– TO ACCENTUATE THE POINT THAT JOHN MADE IS THIS IS ONE REASON WE’RE LOOKING FOR TEACHER QUALITY, TEACHER RETRAINING AND TEACHER PREP INSTITUTIONS TO GET READY, BECAUSE WHEN ELLA GETS TO KINDERGARTEN, THROUGH NO FAULT OF– MY DAUGHTER IS A TEACHER. SHE, TO HER CREDIT, ACKNOWLEDGES SHE NEEDS SOME RETRAINING IN TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO INTEGRATE TECHNOLOGY. BUT THEY’RE NOT READY FOR KIDS– WE’RE NOT READY AS A SYSTEM YET, FOR KIDS THAT ARE THIS iPAD BASED. AND THEN, BY THE WAY, THAT MEANS IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THE iPAD FIVE YEARS AGO, WHENEVER THAT WAS, WHAT WILL WE HAVE IN TWO YEARS WHEN SHE’S IN KINDERGARTEN. SO I MEAN, THESE ARE BROADER WAYS TO THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR FORWARD THINKING ON THE WAY TO HOOK THIS ALL UP. BUT I– THIS TO ME ANYWAY, IS A WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT EVERY DAY. THAT THIS IS URGENT AND WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING AT BEING READY FOR KIDS THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WE WERE TRAINED.>>REPRESENTATIVE DILLON WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT.>>THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY JUST WANTED TO FIRST– YOU SAID YOU DON’T USUALLY GET CROWDS LIKE THESE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED WHEN LUPE GOT ELECTED. [ LAUGHTER ] SHE LIVES IN MY AREA, I HAVE TO. [ LAUGHTER ] AND I ACTUALLY JUST– I THINK THIS IS A REALLY USEFUL DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I TOOK A TOUR LAST WEEK, OF A BLENDED LEARNING CHARTER SCHOOL THAT HAD OPENED UP IN GRAND RAPIDS– NEXUS ACADEMY. AND IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO ONE OF THE TOURS I HAD TAKEN AT THE KENT INNOVATION HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THERE WAS– TECHNOLOGY WAS ALL A PART OF WHAT THESE KIDS WERE DOING. AND JUST SOME FASCINATING THINGS GOING ON. I MEAN REALLY, REALLY GOOD. BUT I ALSO THEN GROW CONCERNED, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT’S BEEN SAID ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING THROUGH THIS LENS OF OUR OWN EXPERIENCE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS SYSTEM IS CHANGING. BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY KIDS– AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE A DISTRICT AND LUPE WOULD KNOW WELL ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN GRAND RAPIDS. THIS IS A DISTRICT THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WILL HAVE A MAJORITY OF STUDENTS THAT WILL EITHER BE NON-NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING, OR COME FROM HOMES WHERE THE FIRST LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH. SO THEY ARE– THEY HAVE– AND ARE 90% OF THE DISTRICT IS AT OR BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. SO A LOT OF THOSE KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING TO KINDERGARTEN WITH THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN HAVE, AND MY CHILDREN HAVE, WHERE THEY’RE EXPOSED TO THAT TECHNOLOGY. SO WHAT DO WE DO THEN WHEN WE GET THEM INTO KINDERGARTEN IF WE DON’T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE? SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY IS A CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO NOT JUST TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THERE’S A NEW PARADIGM WHERE KIDS ARE LEARNING IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND WE HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE AND WE CAN’T– YOU KNOW, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE– BUT THAT THERE STILL ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF KIDS IN THIS STATE WHO ARE COMING FROM FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES WHERE ACCESS TO THIS TECHNOLOGY IS NOT AS AVAILABLE AS IT IS FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE. SO I ALSO JUST WANT TO FINISH WITH ONE THING. I THINK WE SHOULD BE HAVING THESE MEETINGS FAR MORE OFTEN, IF NOT FOR THE FACT THAT THIS MEETING HAS A QUORUM OF MAJORITY DEMOCRATS ON IT RIGHT NOW. [ LAUGHTER ] SO, I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN INDULGING US LIKE THIS.>>I OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THE OTHER SIDE. [ LAUGHTER ]>>I THINK OUR PRESIDENT EMERITUS HAD HER HAND FIRST, AND THEN LUPE WAS NEXT, AND THEN RICHARD, AND THEN MICHELLE. BUT WE’RE GOING TO STILL ALTERNATE. IT’S JUST THAT KATHLEEN STRAUS, WHO’S OUR– BEEN PRESIDENT FOR MANY YEARS HERE, AS YOU KNOW, AND IS ESTEEMED IN THE FIELD.>>THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIKE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. IT’S NICE TO WELCOME TERRY BROWN BACK.>>GOOD TO SEE YOU, KATHLEEN. THANKS.>>WELL, I TOO HAVE BEEN VISITING SCHOOLS AND SAW WHAT YOU’VE SEEN IN CERTAIN SCHOOLS THAT HAD– THEY USE iPADS FOR KINDERGARTEN. AND THEY’RE DOING IT IN ONE DISTRICT AND THEY HAD THEM IN ONE GRADE AND WERE WORKING ON THE NEXT GRADE GETTING THEM THE NEXT YEAR IN ORDER TO USE THE MONEY THAT THEY HAD APPROPRIATED. THEN I WAS IN– I LIVE IN DETROIT AND VISITED A SCHOOL IN DETROIT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND THE SOUTHWEST PART OF DETROIT THAT WAS BUILT 125 YEARS AGO. IT DOESN’T HAVE iPADS IN EVERY ROOM OR EVEN IN ANY ROOMS. IT’S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION AND THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY. I THINK THE– LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, REPRESENTATIVE DILLON– BUT I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING TO ADVISE THEM.>>I SEE YOU’VE GOT THE SAME VOICES.>>I THINK IT’S UNCONSCIONABLE HOW WE STILL HAVE THESE GAPS BETWEEN THE HIGHER DISTRICTS AND THE LOWER, INNER CITY DISTRICTS. THAT WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE WHERE I VISITED. I MEAN THAT’S JUST UNCONSCIONABLE AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THAT. AND WITH THE DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN MANY DISTRICTS AND OUR MONEY FOLLOWING THE CHILD– WHO ARE DEPENDENT ON ENROLLMENT– THESE DISTRICTS NEED A LOT OF HELP. AND INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM HELP, WE SAY YOU CAN’T DO IT, THE LAW WON’T ALLOW IT AND IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE SENSE. AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE DISTRICT ITSELF. THAT’S A STORY FOR THE NEXT DAY. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THESE CHILDREN ARE OUT OF SCHOOL. AND IF ANYBODY NEEDS SCHOOL, IT’S AT-RISK STUDENTS. AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THAT THEY STAY IN SCHOOL. TO NOT MISS SIX WEEKS OF SCHOOL, OR FOUR WEEKS OF SCHOOL. EVEN TWO WEEKS OF SCHOOL. IT TROUBLES ME GREATLY AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER– DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR– ALL OF US HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A BETTER, IMPROVED SYSTEM. THAT WORKED FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS, WE’VE HAD 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE. IT WORKED FOR A LONG TIME. –STARTED CONTRACTING, AND SO WE RAN INTO REAL TROUBLE. WHEN PEOPLE MOVED OUT AND PROPERTY VALUES WENT DOWN AND REVENUES WENT DOWN. IT’S NOT THEIR FAULT. SOME OF IT WAS MISMANAGEMENT BUT IT’S NOT ALL MISMANAGEMENT. I THINK WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. I’VE BEEN TRYING TO GET US TO DO THIS FOR A LONG TIME. MAYBE THE BUENA VISTA WAS KALKASKA 20 YEARS AGO AND IT WILL BE THE CATALYST AND WE WILL DO SOMETHING, I HOPE. BUT I WISH ALL OF US–>>WELL SOME STUNNING STATISTICS LOSING STUDENT POPULATION, WHEN WE PEAKED IN 2003 AT 1.7 MILLION KIDS. WE ARE NOW CURRENTLY AT LESS THAN PROP A IN 1994 WITH TOTAL KIDS IN THE SYSTEM. AND THE OTHER SAD THING IS IT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO FUND AN EDUCATION SYSTEM PREDICATED ON 1.7 MILLION KIDS WHEN WE HAVE, AGAIN, LESS THAN 1994. BUT WE AGREE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN OVERALL DIFFERENT FORMULA CHANGE.>>WELL–.>>YES, THAT WOULD BE TRUE. REPRESENTATIVE LORI, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.>>YES, I DO. I CHAIR COMMITTEE HEALTH– MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SENIOR SERVICES– EVERYTHING ELSE IN BETWEEN. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS AFTER FIVE YEARS ON THAT COMMITTEE IS, THE ONLY WAY WE’RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY IN THE HEALTHCARE ARENA IS TO HAVE A HEALTHIER POPULATION. BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT MEDICAID REFORMS AND ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID TO ME, “WELL, WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE “TOO MUCH SUCCESS, MAYBE, “WITH THE ADULT POPULATION. “IT’S GOING TO BE OUR YOUTH.” I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. YOU’RE GOING TO SEE I’M GOING TO RESURRECT ONE OF REPRESENTATIVE JOAN BAUER’S BILLS ON PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, PHYSICAL ED IN SCHOOLS AND MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT AGAIN. HOW DO YOU REACT TO, WHEN I TELL YOU THAT TO HAVE GENERAL FUNDS SAVINGS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH BUDGET, WE NEED A HEALTHIER POPULATION? AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE KIDS AND EDUCATE KIDS ON DIET AND EXERCISE, THAT SORT OF THING. EXTRA GENERAL FUND MONEY PROBABLY COULD GO BACK TO EDUCATION, COULD GO TO TRANSPORTATION, COULD GO BACK TO OTHER ISSUES OF THE DAY. WHAT’S YOUR REACTION ON THOSE COMMENTS? THAT I NEED TWO OR THREE HOURS OF YOUR TIME TO SAVE MONEY ON COMMUNITY HEALTH. DO YOU THINK THAT’S PART OF YOUR MISSION AS A STATE BOARD?>>I COULD START OUT IF YOU’D LIKE AND THEN BOARD, AS THEY — YOU KNOW– KYLE WOULD YOU JUST RAISE YOUR HAND A SECOND. THIS IS OUR DIRECTOR, KYLE GUERRANT, WHO JUST AS AN ASIDE, USES FEDERAL MONEY, BUT FOR NUTRITION AND EDUCATION RELATED TO HEALTH IN THE SCHOOLS. AND I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT, REPRESENTATIVE. THAT’S THE START. IF WE CAN GET OUR KIDS– I THINK McDONALD’S HAS BEEN THE HYPE, KIND OF, POSTER CHILD– ALTHOUGH I STOP THERE MYSELF TOO FREQUENTLY. BUT I WANTED TO ALSO– JUST IF I COULD JUST FOR A SECOND SAY THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION EARLIER, THAT OUR GUYS GOT TOGETHER AND MADE SURE THAT KIDS IN BUENA VISTA ARE BEING FED. BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE KIDS WERE LITERALLY IN THE SITUATION WHERE THEY’RE NOT FED APPROPRIATELY AT HOME. AND THERE’S A BREAKFAST PROGRAM BACK IN PLACE AND A LUNCH PROGRAM. SO THAT WAS DONE IN SPITE OF WHAT’S HAPPENING, IN TERMS OF THEY’RE CLOSING SCHOOL. BUT I WOULD DEFER– I THINK YOUR SPIRIT OF “WHERE CAN YOU SAVE MONEY “IN ORDER TO INVEST “IN OTHER AREAS” IS REALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND SOMETIMES, IF I HAD TO PICK ONE IN THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY, IT’S THE ONE WE’VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. WE WILL SAVE SO MUCH MONEY ON LEARNING DISABLED KIDS BECAUSE WE’RE DOING THE RIGHT THING ON EARLY CHILDHOOD. AND YOU WILL START TO SEE SAVINGS IN, SO CALLED “SPECIAL EDUCATION,” WHICH ARE– I THINK THE STAT TYPICALLY IS 80% OF THE KIDS WHO ARE LEARNING DISABLED, WOULDN’T BE LEARNING DISABLED IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT INTERVENTIONS EARLIER, AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THIS ISSUES WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WITH EARLY CHILDHOOD. BUT IT’S ALSO– IT’S A PLACE WHERE THEN YOU CAN SAVE MONEY TO REINVEST THE MONEY, KIND OF THE VERY WAY YOU’RE INFERRING THAT. IT’S DOING THE RIGHT THING AND AT THE SAME TIME, BEING ABLE TO MAYBE REALLOCATE RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEFER TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO SPEAK TO THAT.>>CAN I?>>SURE, PLEASE.>>YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA. AND I’M CONCERNED WITH THE EXTENDED SCHOOL DAYS AND THE EXTENDED SCHOOL YEARS. AND WITH THE CUTTING AND FUNDING, THAT A LOT OF TIME, THE PHYS ED, HEALTH CLASSES ARE GOING BY THE WAYSIDE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE FOCUS ON STANDARDIZED TESTS, HIGH STAKE TESTING. CLASSES LIKE THAT ARE– IT’S SORT OF LIKE, IT’S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE HAVE POLICIES THAT SORT OF– INCENTIVE LIES THE OPPOSITE. AND I THINK THAT’S A CONCERN. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY, I THINK PHYS ED AND HEALTH IS IMPORTANT, BUT I JUST WAS AT A FORUM AT U OF M LAST FRIDAY, WHERE THEY WERE– THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE, THAT LOOKED AT THE SITING OF SCHOOLS. AND THAT SO MANY OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE LOCATED IN SOME OF THE MOST TOXIC AREAS IN THE COUNTY. AND I THINK RELATED TO TOXICITY AROUND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, ASTHMA– THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEN CREATE PROBLEMS. SO I THINK– I THINK IT WOULD– I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CHILD, THE HEALTHY CHILD, EARLY INTERVENTION TO PREVENT THIS BUT I THINK IT’S A REAL SHIFT IN LOOKING IN THE LONG TERM ABOUT, NOT ONLY THEIR OWN PERSONAL HEALTH, BUT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND THE LEVELS OF TOXICITY IN A COMMUNITY, AND PARTICULARLY AROUND THE SCHOOL. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, AND I’M HAPPY TO SEND YOU THIS STUDY THAT THEY PUBLISHED. AND IT ALSO SHOWS THAT IT RELATED TO LOWER TEST SCORES ON THE MEAP AND THE OTHER TESTS. SO, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, THOUGH.>>AND CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT, I THINK YOUR COLLEAGUE, RASHIDA TLAIB, WITH BIPARTISAN HELP, ENGINEERED SOME LEGISLATION TO ATTEND TO PART OF THAT. BUT THERE’S MORE THAT OTHER STATES HAVE DONE TO TRY TO DIMINISH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH RISKS THAT ARE EXTANT. AND THEY DO AFFECT POOR AND MINORITY KIDS DISPROPORTIONATELY. JUST SORT OF, THE WAY SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN BUILT OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NEAR INDUSTRIAL AREAS. SO THERE CERTAINLY IS A GOOD INVESTMENT THERE PROBABLY, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND I BET YOU KYLE AND OTHERS HERE COULD HAVE LOTS OF SPECIFIC IDEAS FOR HOW MONEY COULD BE INVESTED IN HEALTHY KIDS AND DIABETES PREVENTION THROUGH THE SCHOOLS, IF WE COULD GO THAT ROUTE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.>>I WANT TO ASK KYLE TO CONTACT YOUR FOLKS TO ARRANGE A TIME THAT WE COULD BRING SOME OF OUR STAFF OVER AND MEET WITH YOU TO THINK SOME OF THIS THROUGH. TO THIS POINT?>>YES.>>OKAY, BECAUSE LUPE IS NEXT. BUT TO THIS POINT, PLEASE, EILEEN.>>ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD BRING UP, IS THAT WE’VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FARM FUNDS– THE FREE AND REDUCED MEALS PROGRAMS. WE’VE HAD TROUBLE TRYING TO CONVINCE SCHOOLS TO ENGAGE IN USING THAT. AND THIS IS COUNTERINTUITIVE, BECAUSE THEY’RE DEALING WITH CHILDREN WHO DON’T HAVE PROPER NUTRITION. AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF– SINCE WE’RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE EDUCATIONAL DISCUSSION ON THAT– WHETHER A POLITICAL DISCUSSION WITHIN DISTRICTS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE ACCESSED AND USED, WOULD BE A VERY WONDERFUL THING. WHAT WE’RE ALL AFTER IS MAKING SURE THAT CHILDREN CAN LEARN. AND IF THEY’RE FED AND THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO THAT, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE IMPORTANT THAT WE GATHER TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.>>THANK YOU. AND I THINK LUPE NOW, REPRESENTS KIND OF THE BOARD.>>YEAH, AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST ADDRESSED. BECAUSE IN GRAND RAPIDS, WE HAVE THE STUDENT ADVANCEMENT FOUNDATION, WHICH IS A GROUP THAT HELPS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN GRAND RAPIDS. AND ONE OF OUR ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH AND WE HELP FUND, IS THE PHYSICAL BEING OF THE STUDENT, BECAUSE WE SAY THAT THE WHOLE STUDENT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. AND SO WE HAVE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY THAT IS ADDRESSED TO SPORTS, TO LESSONS FOR THE STUDENTS IN– OF COURSE THE FOOD THAT THEY EAT AND WE’RE IN THE DEPARTMENT ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT. SO THIS FUNDS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE STUDENT ADVANCEMENT FOUNDATION, IS VERY CRITICAL TO THE LEARNING OF THE STUDENT. SO IN GRAND RAPIDS, WE’RE SUBSIDIZING WHAT THE SCHOOLS ARE DOING AND HELPING THEM OUT IN THAT RESPECT. NOW, CAN I SPEAK TO THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAD?>>YES, MA’AM.>>OKAY, NOW, OF COURSE, BUENA VISTA IS A VERY CRITICAL ISSUE CIRCULATING IN OUR STATE RIGHT NOW. AND I HAD BEEN VERY HEARTBROKEN WHEN I HEARD THAT THE SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED, THAT THE STUDENTS WERE NOT ATTENDING SCHOOLS. NOW, BUENA VISTA, IN SPANISH MEANS “GOOD VIEW,” IT’S A NICE VIEW. NOW, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE BUENA VISTA NOW TO “UGLY VIEW,” BECAUSE THAT’S HOW THE SCHOOL IS LOOKING NOW. AND SO IT IS A SHAME FOR US AS EDUCATORS, OF US THAT SIT ON THE STATE BOARD, THE DEPARTMENT, THE LEGISLATURE, THAT THESE STUDENTS ARE NOT IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF MONEY PROBLEMS. WE LOOK AT THE AMERICAN FLAG OVER THERE. WE LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND THESE STUDENTS SHOULD BE IN SCHOOL. I HAVE 21 QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK. [ LAUGHTER ] NOT JUST BUENA VISTA, WHICH IS NOW “UGLY VISTA” IN MY BRAIN, CONCERNING THIS ISSUE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THESE STUDENTS ARE SOMEWHERE, BUT THEY’RE NOT IN SCHOOL. AND THEY HAVE TO BE IN SCHOOL LIKE ALL THE OTHER CHILDREN AROUND THE STATE. NOW THE OTHER ONE IS TECHNOLOGY– YOU ARE RIGHT. TECHNOLOGY IS THE WAY THAT WE– IT SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD IN THE STATE. I WAS VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN PART OF THE TEACHER OF THE YEAR SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND THERE WERE FOUR TEACHER OF THE YEAR CANDIDATES THAT WE INTERVIEWED. AND IT WAS VERY SAD TO SEE THAT THE TEACHER OF THE YEAR FROM LAWRENCE, MICHIGAN– LAWRENCE, MICHIGAN IS IN OUR STATE, IT’S PART OF OUR STATE, IN VAN BUREN COUNTY. THIS IS WHERE I STUDIED WITH THE MIGRANT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, TEACHING OVER THERE. AND SHE ONLY HAD ONE COMPUTER IN HER ROOM. ONE COMPUTER IN HER ROOM. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT ALL THE STUDENTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS FAR AS WE WANT THEM TO BE IN– 2015 YOU SAID?>>CORRECT.>>AND SHE WAS A MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHER. SO ALL THESE YEARS, THE STUDENTS HAVE NOT HAD THE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY IN THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS THE LEGISLATURE AND WE AS A DEPARTMENT, WHAT PROCESS ARE WE GOING TO USE THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO DETERMINE WHO HAS THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHO DOESN’T? BECAUSE THERE’S MANY THAT DON’T AND WE ARE JUST ASSUMING, AS WE’RE SPEAKING, THAT ALL OF OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY LIKE OUR STUDENTS. SO I ALSO WORK WITH JUAN AND MARIA, WHO ARE PARENTS OF MY STUDENT. AND THEY WORK VERY, VERY HARD. THEY’RE NOT WELL-TO-DO BY NO SENSE OF THE WORD. THEY DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY, BUT THEY WORK VERY HARD AND THEY WANT THE BEST SCHOOLS FOR THEIR CHILDREN, THE BEST EDUCATION. AND THEY’RE POWERFUL IN THEIR OWN WORLD. AND SO LET’S NOT ASSUME, AT OUR TABLE, THAT ALL CHILDREN HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY, THAT ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN OUR STATE HAVE TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE THEY DON’T. AND SO IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS THE WAY WE’RE GOING TO TAKE OUR STATE, THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN SEE WHO IS AT WHAT LEVEL, AS FAR AS TECHNOLOGY IS CONCERNED. AND OF COURSE, EARLY CHILDHOOD IS A PASSION OF MINE. I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN GOVERNOR SNYDER, LT. GOV. CALLEY, THE SENATE, THE HOUSE, WE AS A DEPARTMENT, THE STATE BOARD, WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS EARLY CHILDHOOD– REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, EVERYONE. SO EARLY CHILDHOOD IS WHERE WE PLANT THE SEED FOR EDUCATING OUR CHILD AND I’M SO GLAD THAT WE’RE ALL LOOKING AT FUNDING, ADDITIONAL FUNDING, FOR AT-RISK, EARLY CHILDHOOD STUDENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>THANK YOU, MA’AM. BY THE WAY, MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS A SPANISH TEACHER, SAW ME SPEAKING ABOUT THIS ON TV AND SAID, “DAD, IT’S BUENA VISTA. “YOU KEEP SAYING, ‘BOONA VISTA.'” AND THE ONLY REASON I DO, IS LITERALLY, I WAS CORRECTED THERE, WHERE THEY SAID, THAT’S HOW THEY PRONOUNCE IT FOR THEIR OWN DISTRICT. I KNOW IT’S INCORRECT– OR, I WON’T SAY INCORRECT.>>BUENA VISTA.>>SO– PROBABLY SHOULDN’T HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP.>>I ACTUALLY REMEMBER THE DAY WHEN THEY HAD SOME OF THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS ANYWHERE IN THE STATE FOR THEIR CLASS. THAT WASN’T THAT AWFULLY LONG AGO, I WILL REMIND PEOPLE. REPRESENTATIVE–>>IF I MAY JUST, TIM, WHILE WE’RE ON THAT, CHAIRMAN.>>OH, YES.>>I THINK I SAID THIS EARLIER, BUT THE BOARD HAS TWO OPTIONS TONIGHT. AND IF THEY IMPLEMENT BOTH OF THESE, KIDS WILL BE BACK IN SCHOOL. ONE IS PREFERABLE, MEANING THE ONE THAT THE DEFICIT ELIMINATION PLAN AND THEN THEY’D BE IN ON THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOL. AND IF THEY DON’T BRING THEMSELVES TO DO THAT, IT TIES OUR HANDS AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER OPTION LEFT WOULD BE THIS KIND OF BACKUP PLAN THAT WAS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY.>>BASED ON THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE, I HAVE TO APPLAUD THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HIS OFFICE FOR ADDRESSING THIS AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN. AND AGAIN, NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT TOOLS THAT TRULY ARE AVAILABLE, OR WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE ARE. WE HAVE TO FORMULATE THAT, ALL OF US AT THIS TABLE. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS TRAGIC.>>CAN’T HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE.>>BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, IT’S JUST LIKE IN SOME OTHER SCHOOLS, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO FUND KIDS THAT ARE NOT IN SEATS. I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO FUND, WHEN WE HAVE SOME SCHOOLS THAT WERE ACTUALLY TO THE TUNE OF $14,000 – $15,000 A YEAR, WHEN YOU ADD THE WHOLE POCKET AND STILL GOING BANKRUPT. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH THAT. HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY SPENDING THE MONEY AND IS IT GETTING INTO THE CLASSROOM? SO IN THIS SITUATION, IF WHAT WE’VE HEARD IN THE MEDIA RECENTLY IS TRUE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, SOMEBODY SHOULD BE IN PRISON. IT WAS FRAUD IF THAT IS TRUE. AND IF IT ISN’T, REGARDLESS, IT IS OUR DUTY TO FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT WHERE IT WENT WRONG AND THAT WE DON’T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THAT THE KIDS ARE THE PRIMARY FOCUS. AND I THINK THAT THE STATE HAS DONE THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BASED ON, AGAIN, THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, THE MECHANISMS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SOONER THAN LATER. AND I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE TREASURER THE OTHER DAY, WHEN I SAID, “HOW ON EARTH COULD THIS GO ON? “HOW COULD WE NOT FIND IT?” AND THEY SAID THEY FOUND IT IN AN AUDIT AND DISCOVERED SOMETHING DIDN’T LOOK QUITE RIGHT. SO– AND THAT WAS A PERIOD OF TIME AFTERWARDS. IF WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT, IF PEOPLE WOULD BE UP FRONT AND HONEST AND BALANCED THEIR– LIKE WE ALL HAVE TO BALANCE OUR CHECKBOOKS, WE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE. AND SO, WITH WHAT WE’RE DOING, WITH WHAT ISD IS, I UNDERSTAND, IT’S STEPPING UP. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT. THE OTHER THING– IN REGARD TO THIS WHOLE READING ISSUE, I FOUND IT ASTOUNDING IN REGARD TO COMMENTS MADE, THAT THE KIDS IF THEY’RE NOT READING FROM THE 3rd GRADE GOING INTO THE 4th GRADE, THAT THE CHANCES ARE THEY WILL END UP IN THE PRISON SYSTEM. WE ACTUALLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY THREE STATES THAT I AM AWARE OF, THAT PREDICT THEIR PRISON SPACE TO 95% ACCURACY. SO IT IS IMPORTANT, THIS EARLY CHILDHOOD COMPONENT, THAT WE GET THERE AND WE COULD HEAD OFF A LOT OF THAT, AS YOU’VE SAID. BUT WITH THAT, I KNOW IT’S– ACTUALLY IT’S, REPRESENTATIVE SINGH HAS SOME COMMENTS.>>SURE, I GUESS, FOR ME I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE’VE HAD SO FAR. AND AS WE LOOK FORWARD, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I’VE BEEN FRUSTRATED, AS A NEW LEGISLATOR– AND I THINK I KNEW THIS KIND OF BEFORE COMING INTO THE PROCESS– IS THAT WE DON’T HAVE A LONG TERM VISION OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE OF EDUCATION. YOU KNOW, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. WHAT SHOULD EVERY SCHOOL HAVE? WHAT SHOULD EVERY CHILD HAVE ACCESS TO? AND THEN, WHAT DOES THAT COST? AT WHAT POINT CAN WE GET TO THAT LEVEL? AND SO TO ME, THAT’S A VERY FRUSTRATING PIECE, BECAUSE WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE DEAL WITH, AT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS HOW WE CONTROL THE COST OF A TEACHER, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HOW DO WE EXTEND THE SCHOOL YEAR TO 200 OR 215 DAYS A YEAR. YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME IS THE OVERALL, KIND OF, CONCEPT THAT WE NEED TO BE DEALING WITH. HOW DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT PROPOSAL A AND ITS SHORTCOMINGS? YOU KNOW, I COME FROM A COMMUNITY THAT USED TO GET 20J FUNDING AND, YOU KNOW, NO LONGER GETS THOSE DOLLARS AND RESOURCES, WHICH I THINK– I UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAPPENED UNDER THE GRANHOLM ADMINISTRATION. BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMITMENT MADE, RIGHT? WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THESE DISTRICTS, THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE AT AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. WE GAVE A COMMITMENT TO THOSE THAT WERE DOING BETTER THAT THEY WOULD BE HELD HARMLESS. AND WE’VE KIND OF FALLEN APART ON THAT. AND SO, TO ME IT’S, HOW DO WE GET TO THAT POINT IN CONVERSATION, WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY JUST KIND OF DEALS WITH THE NEXT YEAR’S BUDGET AND HOW WE MANAGE THE LITTLE DOLLARS WE HAVE. BUT WE’RE NOT TALKING LONG TERM ON WHAT IT COSTS TO GET TO 200 DAYS OF INSTRUCTION IN THE STATE? HOW WE GET TO LONGER SCHOOL DAYS? HOW WE GET THE PHYSICAL EDUCATION REQUIREMENT BACK IN AND SO FORTH? THAT COSTS REAL MONEY, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT MONEY IF WE’RE DEDICATED TO FIGURING OUT WHAT IT COSTS AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND WHAT INVESTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW CAN WE AS A STATE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE’S OBVIOUSLY PORTIONS OF IT THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THIS BOARD, BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. BUT WHEN WE ONLY LOOK AT ONE YEAR BUDGET BASED ON WHAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, WE’RE NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A LARGER VISION. AND SO TO ME, THAT’S A VERY FRUSTRATING PART, BECAUSE I COULD SEE US HAVING THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND NOT REALLY TACKLE THESE BIG ISSUES TO MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY. SO THAT’S KIND OF MY KIND OF THOUGHT AND CONCERN.>>LOOKS LIKE CASANDRA HAS A THOUGHT ABOUT–>>I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A SCHOOL SYSTEM AND WE HAVE A FINANCING SYSTEM THAT ARE COMPLETELY INCONGRUENT. WE HAVE A SCHOOL SYSTEM WHERE WE’VE OPENED UP CHOICE, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW SCHOOLS– I THINK NEXT YEAR WE’RE OPENING ANOTHER 30 CHARTER SCHOOLS. AND CHAIRMAN ROGERS, YOU’VE MADE THE POINT THAT WE HAVE LESS AND LESS STUDENTS, AND YET, WE’RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. AT SOME POINT THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO BREAK. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THAT SWEET SPOT THAT WE NEED TO GET TO, WHERE WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS, WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF STUDENTS, AND THEN WE NEED TO STOP BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE. OR CHANGE THE WAY WE FUND OUR SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THE TWO RIGHT NOW ARE NOT GOING TO SURVIVE. ONE IS GOING TO BREAK THE OTHER AND THEN WE’RE ALL GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THIS INABILITY TO EDUCATE KIDS. SO I MEAN I WOULD RECOMMEND IF THERE’S SOME WAY TO CREATE A TASK FORCE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A JOINT ONE, THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I KNOW WE’VE BEEN TALKING ON THE STATE BOARD LEVEL, OF LOOKING AT PROPOSAL A AND OTHER WAYS OF RECOMMENDING FUNDING SCHOOLS. IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE, WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO FUND THEM. SO, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE AND I THINK IT’S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT WE DO THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE’RE GOING TO HIT THE DAY WHERE THE TWO ARE SO FAR APART, THAT WE’RE GOING TO LOSE OUR KIDS.>>YOU KNOW I’M JUST– IF I MAY TAG ONTO THAT AND– NO ANSWER REQUIRED NOW, I WOULDN’T WANT YOU TO COMMIT– BUT THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT WHEN THE BOARD STRUGGLES WITH ADVISING ON FINANCE, IF I CAN BE BLUNT, THAT’S CALLED FOR IN THE CONSTITUTION. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY. SO I’M WONDERING IF– JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS WE MOVE ON– THAT THIS PRECIPITATE MAYBE A SUBGROUP OF MEMBERS FROM BOTH APPROPS AND THE BOARD, THAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS TOGETHER AND EXTEND THE CONVERSATION MORE. SO THAT IT’S NOT ONLY THE BOARD FULFILLING ITS ROLE TO HELP GIVE GUIDANCE ON THAT, BUT ALSO DOING IT WITH PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WOULD CARRY THE VOTE. SO IT’S POSSIBLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT MIGHT MOVE THE BALL TO SOME DEGREE IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT SAM AND CASANDRA ARE BOTH SAYING. AND DAN HAD SOMETHING, THEN EILEEN ON THESE POINTS. AND THEN WE’RE GOING– WHEN WE GET BACK TO OUR SIDE, SO TO SPEAK– I SHOULDN’T SAY OUR SIDE– RICHARD. BECAUSE THESE ARE RESPONSES, RIGHT, TO THE OVERALL QUESTION ON THE FLOOR. AND THEN RICHARD’S NEXT WHEN, IN TERMS, OF PUTTING A NEW QUESTION ON THE FLOOR.>>REALLY QUICK IN REACTION TO THAT IDEA, SAM. SO I WROTE THE SAME NOTE THAT I THINK THAT CASANDRA JUST SHARED. SO WHAT ABOUT A SHARED COMMITTEE TO CREATE THIS LONG TERM VISION, OR PLAN, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. JUST SOMETHING TO WORK ON IT. WE CAN DO EQUAL NUMBERS OF Rs AND Ds, FRANKLY, GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF THE RESPECTIVE BODIES. AND THAT WAY, IT CAN BE KIND OF A NONPARTISAN LOOK AT WHAT A LONG TERM FINANCING PLAN FOR EDUCATION IN THIS STATE LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THAT’S A GREAT IDEA AND WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.>>EILEEN ON THIS POINT AND THEN RICHARD FOR A NEW POINT.>>SORRY, SPECIFICALLY TO THIS POINT, AND ALSO TO TECHNOLOGY AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. WHERE SCHOOLS ARE GOOD, PARENTS WON’T CHOOSE A DIFFERENT OPTION. AND I THINK IT’S REALLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO START HAVING. BECAUSE THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT BECAUSE MARKET COMPETITION IS GOOD, SOMEHOW, WHEN I GO TO HEARINGS LIKE WE HAD LAST NIGHT, THERE’S NEVER A MENTION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACTUALLY EXPERIMENTING ON THESE THINGS AND TRYING TO GROPE FOR SOMETHING THAT’S BETTER FOR CHILDREN. THAT CONVERSATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SOME OF THEM FEEL THAT THEY CAN’T DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE FUNDS, OTHERS DON’T SEE THAT VISION. SO HAVING THE KIND OF CONVERSATION YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE STATE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.>>AND, DAN, I THINK YOU HAD A MINI FOLLOW UP AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO RICHARD.>>I DID HAVE A MINI FOLLOW UP. ANOTHER TWO QUICK IDEAS. ONE IS, SO IT SHOULDN’T JUST BE, KIND OF, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ON THAT COMMITTEE, FRANKLY. I’M A BIG PROPONENT OF, KIND OF, GOVERNMENT NEUTRALITY. WHEREVER KIDS ARE, I’M INTERESTED IN A GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION. SO LET’S GET EDUCATORS FROM CHARTER SCHOOLS AND TRADITIONAL DISTRICT SCHOOLS INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL, SO ON AND SO FORTH. IT HAS TO BE MANAGEABLE, NOT A NON-MANAGEABLE NUMBER, BUT LET’S GET EVERYBODY A TABLE TO WORK ON THAT– OR REPRESENTATIVES FROM VARIOUS PLACES. THE SECOND QUICK THING IS, I DIDN’T RESPOND TO THE PIECE ON PHYSICAL ED. AND I DO WANT TO, AS WELL AS THE TEXTBOOK/E-READER THING REALLY QUICKLY. ABSOLUTELY, I THINK WE NEED TO– WE CAN’T MANDATE CHANGE TO E-READERS, IF YOU WILL, AT THE STATE LEVEL, NOR SHOULD WE. BUT ABSOLUTELY, THAT’S A LONG PROCESS, GIVEN THE AMOUNT– I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS, EVEN IF IT IS A SHRINKING NUMBER, IN THE STATE. AND WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS, ABSOLUTELY. FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ONE. TWO IS, ON THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY PIECE. AS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE GOVERNOR’S COUNCIL ON PHYSICAL FITNESS, A HUGE PROPONENT– I’M A HUGE PROPONENT OF– I THINK THAT KIDS HAVE TO BE ACTIVE. IT’S FRANKLY HOW KIDS LEARN IN EARLY CHILDHOOD SETTINGS. AND THEY CONTINUE TO LEARN THAT WAY AS THEY MATURE. THERE WAS A SCHOOL IN INDIANA, I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, THAT SAW AN IMPROVEMENT IN TEST SCORES, ON WHATEVER THE STATE ASSESSMENT IS IN INDIANA, SIMPLY BY CHANGING THE TIME OF RECESS DURING THE DAY. SO EVEN THE TIME THAT KIDS ARE PHYSICALLY ACTIVE ACTUALLY MATTERS IN TERMS OF THEIR ABILITY TO LEARN. AND SO IT’S HORRIBLY UNDERSTOOD, AND I THINK NOT AT ALL UTILIZED IN OUR SYSTEM. BUT FRANKLY, WE NEED KIDS TO MOVE.>>YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A POLICY.>>WE DO, YEAH.>>A POLICY, AT LEAST, THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT. TO HAVE PHYSICAL EDUCATION THAT IT’S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL –POLICY.>>THAT WOULD BE GREAT.>>BOARD MEMBER VARNER, BY THE WAY, ENDS EVERY BOARD MEETING BY DOING 100 PUSHUPS ON THE TABLE THERE. [ LAUGHTER ]>>ONE ARMED.>>WITH CLAPS IN BETWEEN. [ LAUGHTER ]>>RICHARD, NOW THIS IS A NEW TOPIC. THAT ENDED REPRESENTATIVE SINGH’S POINT AND NOW IT’S A NEW TOPIC WITH BOARD MEMBER.>>WELL, I’VE BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A LOT OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED HERE. WE STARTED OFF WITH, “OH, HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED. “KIDS HAVE CHANGED. “CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED.” ALL FOCUS ON DISCONTINUITIES. IF YOU FOCUS ON DISCONTINUITIES, YOU LOSE YOUR MISSION. YOU FORGET WHAT YOU’RE ABOUT, YOU EXPERIENCE MISSION CREEP. SO THAT A SYSTEM THAT HAS FAILED TO TEACH KIDS READING AND WRITING, NOW WE’RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO LOOK AFTER THEIR NUTRITION. THIS IS ALL DYSFUNCTIONAL. WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THE CONTINUITY, AND THAT MEANS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF EDUCATION, WHICH IS NOT JOB TRAINING. WHEN YOU CAN READ, YOU ACCESS OTHER PEOPLE’S EXPERIENCE AND PERSPECTIVES. THAT’S ESSENTIAL FOR DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. WHEN YOU CAN CYPHER, YOU CAN MANAGE YOUR OWN INCOME AND EXPENDITURE AND NOT BE THE SLAVE OF THE MORTGAGE BANKER OR WHOEVER WILL EXPLOIT YOUR IGNORANCE. EDUCATION IS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL EMPOWERMENT. NOW, IF WE BELIEVE THAT KIDS ARE DIFFERENT, IT’S LOGICAL TO ASSUME THAT THEY WILL NEED A VARIETY OF EDUCATIONAL DELIVERY SYSTEMS. AND THAT’S THE OTHER ASSUMPTION THAT I’M DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH. THE NOTION THAT ONE SIZE CAN FITS ALL. THAT ONE GIANT SYSTEM CAN ADAPT ALL KINDS OF RULES FROM THE AMOUNT OF RECREATION AND THE MENU FOR BREAKFAST, CAN BE DETERMINED FROM THE TOP, WHETHER IT’S THE STATE BOARD OR THE STATE LEGISLATURE. I DON’T LIKE LANGUAGE ABOUT, “OH, SHAME ON US “FOR ALLOWING BUENA VISTA KIDS “TO BE WITHOUT–” IT’S NOT SHAME ON US. SHAME ON THE STEWARDS OF THOSE FUNDS! THAT’S WHERE THE SHAME BELONGS. NOW THE DISTRICT WHERE I DO A DAY JOB, HAS ABOUT 1/3 OF THE STUDENTS THAT IT HAD 25 YEARS AGO. THEY STILL MAINTAIN TWO HIGH SCHOOLS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THESE POOR DECISIONS, OKAY, THEY ARE ON THE LIST OF THOSE WHO ARE IN DANGER OF GETTING A FINANCIAL MANAGER. OKAY? SO IT’S NOT IN THAT DISTRICT, A LACK OF FUNDS, IT’S A LACK OF STEWARDSHIP. AND WE NEED TO FIX THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE LOCAL STEWARDS OF THOSE FUNDS, THAT THEY MAKE THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN THE PRIORITY AND NOT THE PRESERVATION OF A SPORTS DYNASTY. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF BUENA VISTA’S RELUCTANCE TO MAYBE MERGE IN WITH NEIGHBORING DISTRICTS, WHICH NOW THEY’RE GOING TO DO AT THE LAST MINUTE, IT APPEARS, OR WHATEVER. NOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE WE LOSE FOCUS ON THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION. A SIMILAR PROBLEM ARISES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. “WOE TO THOSE SCHOOLS “THAT THOUGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE “AND INVESTED IN A BIG LIBRARY “OF EIGHT-TRACK TAPES.” OKAY? WOE TO US IF WE TRY TO PROGNOSTICATE AND PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY NOW, BECAUSE WE WILL LOCK OURSELVES INTO A SECOND RATE SYSTEM OF TECHNOLOGY IN THE YEARS TO COME. THESE DECISIONS ARE PROBABLY BEST MADE BY SUPERINTENDENTS AND BUILDING ADMINISTRATORS WHO FIND TECHNOLOGY THAT HELPS THEM IN THEIR PARTICULAR TASKS. AND ONCE AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE THE CONTINUITY OF EDUCATION, WHICH IS EMPOWERING STUDENTS TO READ AND WRITE. AND THE MORE WE GET INTO THIS INFORMATION EXPLOSION, THE MORE IMPORTANT BASIC EDUCATION, CORE STUDIES– WHAT E. D. HIRSCH HAS CALLED “CULTURAL LITERACY” BECOMES– BECAUSE YOU NEED AN INNER MAP TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS OCEAN OF FACTS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO TO BEWARE THAT QUALITY IN EDUCATION IS NOT TWO-DIMENSIONAL. I’VE HAD LITTLE DEBATES WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE. YOU CAN’T JUST DIVIDE SCHOOLS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM RANKING AND SAY THAT REPRESENTS QUALITY. BECAUSE A QUALITY ART SCHOOL IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM A QUALITY ENGINEERING SCHOOL. AND A REQUIREMENT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A SCIENCE AND MATH PROGRAM, MAY NOT MAKE SENSE FOR A WORLD LANGUAGES PROGRAM. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR CURRICULUM AND EDUCATIONAL APPROACH AS WE DO OUR POLICIES TO MAXIMIZE THE VARIETY OF EDUCATIONAL DELIVERY SYSTEMS, BECAUSE OUR KIDS ARE DIFFERENT, AND THE VARIETY OF CURRICULAR OFFERINGS, BECAUSE MICHIGAN IS GOING TO NEED PEOPLE WITH A VARIETY OF SKILLS IN THE GENERATION TO COME. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO QUESTION SOME OF THE RECEIVED WISDOM AROUND HERE. ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE IS UNIVERSAL PRESCHOOL. IT IS TRUE THAT ABOUT 20% OF KIDS ARE BETTER OFF IN PRESCHOOL THAN AT HOME. BUT THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT PRESCHOOL HOLDS BACK PERHAPS 40% OF KIDS. THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON HEAD START PROGRAM, SHOW THAT WHATEVER CHANGES PRESCHOOL MAKES, SEEM TO DISAPPEAR BY 3rd GRADE. SO MAYBE UNIVERSAL PRESCHOOL WON’T DO HARM TO THOSE 40%, BUT THERE IS– WE’RE LACKING EVIDENCE THAT HEAD START, AS A MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT KEEPS GETTING MORE AND MORE MONEY, IS ACTUALLY HELPING STUDENTS. SO WITH ALL OF THESE CAVEATS, I WOULD SAY, TO QUESTION SOME OF THE RECEIVED WISDOM, LOOK BEHIND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS AND BEWARE OF THE NOTION THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH ONE BIG SYSTEM IN MICHIGAN TO SERVE ALL CHILDREN. WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT IN SO MANY INDUSTRIES, I THINK IT’S TIME FOR EDUCATION TO COME OUT OF THAT BUBBLE AS WELL.>>WHEN YOU MENTION, BY THE WAY, HEAD START, I’M ALWAYS CURIOUS AS TO SAY, SOMETIMES IT’S DIMINISHED AFTER THE 3rd.>>YEAH.>>WHAT KIND OF A SYSTEM ARE THEY PUTTING THEM INTO? IF YOU GO FROM A– YOU FINALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THESE KIDS AND HELP THESE KIDS, BUT YOU PUT THEM IN A SYSTEM THAT HAS FAILED OUR KIDS FOR FIVE, TEN, FIFTEEN YEARS, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT YOU’RE GOING TO FALL BACK, IF ANYTHING. GIVE ME STATISTICS ON THOSE KIDS THAT ARE GOING INTO FAILING SYSTEMS AND THOSE KIDS THAT ARE GOING INTO– NOT NECESSARILY EXCELLENT EDUCATION, BUT EVEN A GOOD EDUCATION– AND LET’S SEE HOW MUCH THEY GROW THEN. BECAUSE I THINK IT’S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS TO MEASURE IT THAT WAY. THAT’S A BIASED OPINION AND THAT’S FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I WAS DOING BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, AS WE’RE GOING FORWARD AND HAVING TO FUND THIS, WHETHER WE WERE MAKING THE RIGHT MOVE. AND THAT’S ONE THING THAT I ASCERTAINED IS, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IF I PUT THEM INTO A FAILING SYSTEM, BUT–>>GOOD POINT– WITH THAT–>>MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE ALLOW EACH MEMBER WHO HASN’T PUT THEIR POINTS ON THE TABLE, SINCE IT’S TWO MINUTE–>>YES, WE’VE GOT THESE TWO.>>WE CAN GO PAST 2:00, BUT– GOOD, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME TOO.>>REPRESENTATIVE HOWRYLAK. WELL I GUESS WE HAVE THREE ACTUALLY.>>WHY DON’T YOU GO FIRST.>>OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT’S GOOD TO KNOW I’M NOT THE ONLY ICONOCLAST AT THIS TABLE, BASED ON THE PRECEDING SPEAKER. THE THING TO REMEMBER IS, YOU KNOW, WE– WHAT I SEE HERE IS WE’VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DETAILS, ABOUT A LOT OF CURRENT PROBLEMS, ABOUT A LOT OF POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. BUT I THINK, OFTEN TIMES, THE BIG PICTURE KIND OF GETS LEFT OUT OF THINGS. AND I DON’T THINK IT WOULD COME AS A SURPRISE TO MANY PEOPLE HERE, THAT MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED UP UNTIL NOW, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH, SOME OF THE PRESUMPTIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS. BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPASSIONATE AND PASSIONATE PEOPLE AROUND HERE. IT’S PROBABLY WHY WE’RE IN THESE POSITIONS THAT WE’RE IN, BECAUSE WE CARE. THEREFORE, I THINK IT’S GOOD TO KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK. SO I THINK THE STARTING POINT, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT K-12 EDUCATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE ASSUME IN AMERICA, AND WE’VE DECIDED LONG AGO, THAT THERE’S A RIGHT TO K-12 EDUCATION IN AMERICA. AND OF COURSE, BY BEING OUR PART OF AMERICA IN MICHIGAN. AND THEREFORE, NONE OF US SHOULD REST AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WHO ARE NOT RECEIVING A QUALITY EDUCATION, WHO ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND ARE NOT SAFE AND PROTECTED. FUNDAMENTALLY, THIS IS OUR STARTING POINT. LIKEWISE, THAT IS OUR STARTING POINT FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING OR CURRICULUM. NOW, WE COME TO DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS AND WHAT THOSE DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE, BUT I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE A GOAL THAT IS PROBABLY VERY COMMON. IT’S THE PATHWAY TO GET THERE WITH WHERE WE HAVE OUR DISAGREEMENTS. SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW– AND I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY MAKE OURSELVES UNCOMFORTABLE. SO FOR ME, I MAY POSE SOME SOLUTIONS, OR POTENTIAL THOUGHTS, THAT MAY BE ANTITHESIS TO MY OWN CORE PRINCIPLES IN ORDER TO CHALLENGE MYSELF. BECAUSE OFTEN TIMES, GOOD SOLUTIONS COME FROM PEOPLE WHO I MAY NOT NECESSARILY TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE. WE NEED TO CHALLENGE OUR OWN PREJUDICES AND PREDISPOSITIONS IN ORDER TO COME TO GOOD POLICY. I HAVE NO ILLUSION THAT I HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS, I HAVE NO ILLUSION THAT I HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR A CORNER ON THE MARKET ON GOOD IDEAS, NOR DOES MY PARTY OR THE OTHER PARTY FOR THAT MATTER. THEREFORE, IT’S INCUMBENT UPON US TO LOOK BEYOND THE COMMENTS AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE REASONS. SO REAL QUICKLY, I WANT TO OFFER A FEW THINGS. QUESTION: WHAT LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT SHOULD THERE BE IN THE STATE, THE INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL? I THINK IT’S IMPERATIVE THAT WE EMPOWER PARENTS IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, THAT WE MAYBE LOOK AT RESTRUCTURING THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT. DO WE HAVE TOO MANY? SHOULD WE HAVE IT DONE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL? SHOULD FUNDING BE DONE AT THE STATE LEVEL? WE HAVE A LOT OF LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT. AND AT TIMES, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR PARENTS TO EVEN GET EMPOWERED, BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ACTUALLY DISEMPOWERED. A SUCCESSFUL EDUCATION SYSTEM EMPOWERS PARENTS AND FAMILIES. COMPUTER– THIS IS JUST A LOT OF RANDOM THINGS THAT I’VE HEARD AROUND HERE– EARLY CHILDHOOD AS A PREDICTOR OF PRISON POPULATIONS, THE CHAIR AND I DISAGREE VEHEMENTLY ON THIS ISSUES– ALTHOUGH, VERY CORDIALLY, I MUST ADMIT. [ LAUGHTER ] MY TAKE ON IT IS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DECONSTRUCT THAT AND LOOK AT, IS IT THE SITUATIONS THAT HAVE BROUGHT THE CHILDREN INTO THESE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE SYMBOLIC OF THE SITUATIONS THAT BRING PEOPLE IN GENERAL INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IS IT NOT NECESSARILY THE LACK, OR THE OFFERING OF KINDERGARTEN? SO WHAT IS YOUR CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP? WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE INTERPRET STATISTICS AND RELATIONSHIPS. THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN SOCIETY, BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY BE THE OFFERING OF THAT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT PRESCHOOL, IS WHAT EXACTLY IS AT RISK. AND I TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION, BY THE WAY, TO THAT BEING AN ECONOMIC MODEL. THERE ARE– THE AT-RISK STUDENT MAY ACTUALLY BE COMING FROM A WEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS ABUSED BY HIS OR HER PARENTS, OR BE IN A FOSTER CARE SITUATION, AND A VERY COHESIVE FAMILY UNIT THAT IS DIRT POOR, MAY ACTUALLY BE NOT AT ALL AT-RISK. SO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I ALWAYS OFFER, AS MY WAY TO KIND OF COMBAT THAT– WHY IS IT, THAT MANY REFUGEE– MOSTLY REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, HAVE VERY SUCCESSFUL CHILDREN, WHO ACTUALLY GROW UP TO BE PROFOUNDLY PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF AMERICAN SOCIETY. YOU LOOK AT THE CUBAN, THE VIETNAMESE AND THOSE THAT HAVE FLED COMMUNISM IN OTHER AREAS OF THE WORLD. AND OF COURSE, COMMON CORE. THE REASON WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT IS IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO ME TO– IS THERE REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL FOR EDUCATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? FOR ME THE ANSWER IS NO. THERE MAY BE VERY GOOD ELEMENTS OF THE COMMON CORE MODEL, THE COMMON CORE CURRICULUM THAT LOCAL DISTRICTS CAN INCORPORATE INTO THEIR CURRICULUM. BUT IT’S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU ALLOW THOSE LOCAL– AT LEAST IN MY MIND– THAT YOU ALLOW THE LOCAL DISTRICTS TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION, BECAUSE THAT’S THE WAY YOU EMPOWER THE FAMILY, THAT’S THE WAY YOU EMPOWER THE PARENTS, AND THAT’S THE WAY, REALLY, OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM CAN SUCCEED. I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THOUGHTS, BUT THE TIME IS GETTING LATE. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THOSE THINGS, KIND OF, AS WE WRAP UP– THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. AND THEN I THINK ON– WE’RE TRYING TO– I KNOW IT’S LIMITING DISCUSSION, BUT IT’S TO ALLOW EVERYONE TO GET THEIR POINTS. AND I KNOW MICHELLE WAS NEXT, TO GET SOME OF HER POINTS ON THE TABLE AND THEN I THINK DAN WAS– WELL, IT WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE AND THEN BACK TO DAN VARNER. PLEASE.>>I’M NEW AND SO THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME. SO IT’S REALLY AN HONOR TO MEET ALL OF YOU AND BE HERE. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME, I– AND I’M– MY BOARD MEMBER PARTNERS HERE HAVE HEARD ME SAY IT– I’M THE MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN. I’M A FOSTER PARENT. I WAS ACTUALLY FOSTERED, BUT– INFORMALLY. AND I ALSO HAVE– MY OLDEST SON HAS AUTISM– A LOT OF DISABILITIES. I’M THE WIFE OF A SPECIAL ED PARENT IN RIVER ROUGE SCHOOLS, A DAUGHTER OF A TEACHER AND SISTER OF TEACHERS. AND I ALSO REPRESENT THE FACULTY AT WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY. SO I’VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH EDUCATIONAL ISSUES. BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS, AS KATHY SAID. TO ME, WHEN I’VE COME TO THIS, AND WHY I RAN, IS I SEE– MENCKEN ONCE SAID THAT, “TO EVERY COMPLEX PROBLEM, “THERE’S A SIMPLE SOLUTION. “AND IT’S PROBABLY WRONG.” [ LAUGHTER ] AND I THINK WE’RE ALL LOOKING FOR SIMPLE SOLUTIONS. I THINK THE MARKET SYSTEM OF LOOKING FOR A SIMPLE SOLUTION AS A WAY TO ADDRESS A VARIETY OF NEEDS, PARTICULARLY KIDS THAT ARE NOT PROFITABLE TO TEACH, WHICH IS KIDS WITH AUTISM OR HIGH NEEDS IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. AND ALSO KIDS WHO COME FROM BACKGROUNDS THAT THEY MIGHT NEED EXTRA SUPPORT, REGARDLESS IF THEY’RE IN AN AFFLUENT COMMUNITY OR– LOTS OF TIMES WHEN THEY’RE IN A HIGH POVERTY DISTRICT, THAT THEY’RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN’T BE ADDRESSED. AND I HEAR THE NEED FOR VOCATIONAL TRAINING. I THINK VOCATIONAL TRAINING IS GREAT. AS A PARENT OF MANY CHILDREN WITH MANY DIFFERENT ABILITIES, I KNOW THAT SOME WOULD DO GREAT IN THOSE JOBS. I’VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE IN THE SKILLED TRADES AS A UNIONIST PERSON MYSELF, AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT WORK AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS. BUT WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS, WITH THE CONTINUAL DECREASING IN FUNDING FOR EDUCATION, AND THEN THE INCREASING DEMANDS ON EDUCATION, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME– I CAN’T RECONCILE THAT. SO WE’VE HAD THESE GREAT SHIFTS IN FUNDING, AND I’M READING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE HOUSE DISCUSSIONS AROUND APPROPRIATIONS– AND IT WOULD GO DOWN AGAIN THIS COMING YEAR. SO WHERE THERE’S VOCATIONAL TRAINING IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. IT’S A WONDERFUL RESOURCE. BUT IT USED TO BE THAT DTE AND OTHER EMPLOYERS WOULD PROVIDE THAT APPRENTICESHIP POSITIONS AND PROVIDE THE TRAINING ON THE JOB. NOW THEY’RE EXPECTING SCHOOLS TO HAVE THEM READY TO COME WALK IN THE DOOR. BUT YET, WE’RE NOT TAXING OUR BUSINESSES WHO ARE BENEFITING DIRECTLY FROM HAVING OUR SCHOOLS DO THE TRAINING. SO I GUESS– I DON’T SEE WHERE, IF WE’RE IN A MODE OF LOOKING FOR VALUE SCHOOLS, OR DISCOUNT SCHOOLS OR CUTTING THE FUNDING. AND THEN THE STRUGGLING SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT– LIKE BUENA VISTA OR WHOEVER– RIVER ROUGE FOR THAT MATTER, DETROIT. THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE RESULTS OF ALL THIS. THE DECREASE IN FUNDING. ONCE THEY GET ON THE FAILING SCHOOLS LIST, KIDS START LEAVING WITH THEIR MONEY WITH THEM, ACCELERATING THE SPIRAL DOWNWARD. AND I DON’T– I SEE THAT IT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE COMPLETELY RESTRUCTURED AND GIVEN A SPECIAL NEED TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THESE HIGH RISK, MORE STRUGGLING FINANCIAL– YOU KNOW, THE POOR DISTRICTS. AND I REALLY SEE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE THAT HASN’T BEEN REALLY PUT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, IS THE HUGE AND GROWING DISPARITY BETWEEN– THE GAP– BETWEEN THE WEALTHY AND THE POOR. AND I CAN COME TO ISSUES AROUND TECHNOLOGY. I CAN TELL YOU THE KIDS THAT I’VE TAKEN INTO FOSTER CARE, I MEAN, WE HAVE JUST A HOME COMPUTER, WE CAN’T AFFORD iPADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND FOR THEM, THAT’S A FIRST. TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COMPUTER IN THEIR HOMES THAT’S LIKE FIVE YEARS OLD, AND GIVE THEM ACCESS TO THAT. SO, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THIS TECHNOLOGY, BUT IF WE’RE GOING TO PUT MONEY WHERE IT REALLY COUNTS, I WOULD SAY HIRE MORE TEACHERS, GET SMALLER CLASS SIZES. THE SCHOOLS ARE BALLOONING RIGHT NOW. MY HUSBAND HAS A MIDDLE SCHOOL CLASS OF 50, WITH 15 LD, LEARNING DISABLED CHILDREN IN THE CLASS. AND THIS IS WHAT– THEY CUT THE SOCIAL WORKERS, THEY CUT THE PSYCHOLOGISTS. I KNOW THEY’VE GOT SOME FOLKS COMING IN FROM DHS, BUT THEY ALREADY CUT THE SOCIAL WORKER WHO WAS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND KNEW THOSE KIDS. AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME– AND I FEEL LIKE I’M RANTING, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE– BUT IT’S JUST OVERWHELMING. IT’S OVERWHELMING. AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE WHAT’S HAPPENING IN BUENA VISTA, IT’S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN OTHER DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT– AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY– INCREASING REVENUES TO PAY FOR EDUCATION AND NOT LOOKING AT TAKING MONEY, LIKE WITH THE GAS TAX AND SHELL GAINING IT AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE ROAD REPAIR, AND CUTTING IT FROM SCHOOLS. WE NEED PEOPLE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THAT HAVE MONEY THAT COMES AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOLS. I LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA, WHERE THE COMMUNITY– THE STATE PASSED PROP 30. WHICH WAS A TEMPORARY, PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX WHERE THE MONEY WENT RIGHT INTO THE SCHOOLS. AND IT TOOK THE PEOPLE TO OVERCOME THE LEGISLATURE, BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A DIFFICULT THING TO DO. BUT I THINK THAT WE’RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO EXAMINE AND LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT’S MY TWO CENTS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.>>THANK YOU, MICHELLE.>>SURE.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE YET?>>GO AHEAD.>>OKAY. I’VE BEEN LARGELY QUIET TODAY BECAUSE I WANTED TO LISTEN TO ALL OF YOU SPEAK. I’M NOT AN EDUCATOR, I DON’T PRETEND TO BE AND I THINK EDUCATORS OFFER A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE THAT IS KIND OF UNRIVALED. BUT WE’VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT VARIOUS SUBJECTS– COMMON CORE, EARLY CHILDHOOD FUNDING, DIFFERENT METHODS OF DELIVERING EDUCATIONAL CURRICULA. I THINK THERE’S REALLY THREE QUESTIONS FOR ME. WHAT DOES IT TAKE– OVERARCHING QUESTIONS THAT IS– WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO EXCITE KIDS ABOUT BEING IN SCHOOL? I THINK THAT’S THE ABSOLUTE BASIS FOR ALL OF THIS– ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE’VE TALKED ABOUT HERE. IF KIDS AREN’T EXCITED ABOUT BEING IN SCHOOL, THEN NOT MUCH ELSE MATTERS ABOUT THE WAY WE DELIVER THE CURRICULA OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND TWO, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? HOW MUCH DOES IT COST AND WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY FROM? SO, I THINK REALLY WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THE POLICIES THAT THIS BOARD HAS PUT FORWARD AND ALSO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE’VE HAD TODAY, EVERYONE SEEMS TO AGREE THAT THE STATUS QUO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. SO, I’M A BELIEVER IN MORE PROJECT BASED EDUCATION. I’VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH A NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE ABOUT THESE THINGS. BUT MAYBE THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK THAT REALLY THE ULTIMATE QUESTION IS, HOW IS IT THAT WE MAKE OUR SCHOOLS MORE EXCITING TO KIDS? BECAUSE THAT DETERMINES WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR LIVES. IF THEY BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY IN WHATEVER PATH THAT THEY SO CHOOSE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS THE ULTIMATE POSITION OF EDUCATION.>>THANK YOU. DAN VARNER, PLEASE.>>SO GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANKS AGAIN FOR COMING. I THINK THIS IS TIME WELL SPENT. WE’VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE, ULTIMATELY, BUT THE SHARING OF IDEAS AND THE BUMPING UP OF IDEAS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER IS WHERE REALLY GOOD IDEAS, TRULY GOOD IDEAS, EMERGE. SO THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SHARE YOURS AND ALLOW THEM TO BUMP UP AGAINST OURS TODAY. I THINK, MAYBE, I’LL JUST– THREE THINGS, I’LL TRY AND MAKE MY REMARKS SHORT. ONE IS– SO THERE ARE– AND THIS IS COMPLEX, NOT EVEN COMPLICATED, IT IS COMPLEX STUFF, RIGHT? I MEAN THIS IS AS HARD AS IT GETS, FIGURING OUT WHAT GOOD POLICY LOOKS LIKE AROUND EDUCATION IN THIS STATE, IN THIS COUNTRY. AND HELPING FOLKS WHO ARE EDUCATORS IN THIS STATE DELIVER HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION TO KIDS, HOWEVER THOSE KIDS AND FAMILIES DEFINE IT. IT’S INCREDIBLY COMPLEX STUFF. AND I– MAYBE MY OVERARCHING COMMENT IS, I DON’T KNOW THAT SHORT TERM– I WANT TO SAY THIS THE RIGHT WAY– IT’S NOT EVEN A COMPLICATED PROBLEM LIKE BUILDING A SKYSCRAPER, RIGHT? THIS IS KIND OF A LONG TERM– LIKE WE WILL BE AT THIS FOREVER. THE WORK OF DELIVERING HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION TO KIDS BECAUSE THE NEEDS OF KIDS AND FAMILIES AND SO ON, WILL CHANGE AS SOCIETY CHANGES. I MEAN, SO I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD VIEW THIS, KIND OF, THE WAY THAT WE VIEW MOST OTHER WORK. IT’S JUST WORK THAT WE’LL BE AT FOREVER. THERE’S NO END GAME HERE. IT’S THE JOURNEY THAT MATTERS. SO THREE THINGS IN THAT CONTEXT. ONE IS, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHAT DR. ZEILE AND REPRESENTATIVE HOWRLY– HOWRYLAK? HOW DO I PRONOUNCE THAT?>>HOWRYLAK.>>HOWRYLAK. MY APOLOGIES– SHARED. THERE’S NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT SCHOOLS BEGIN AT KINDERGARTEN OR 1st GRADE. THEY COULD JUST AS EASILY BEGIN AT 5th GRADE, OR FRANKLY, AT AGE TWO. AND I’M NOT PROPOSING EITHER OF THOSE, BUT MY POINT IS THAT IT’S WIDE OPEN, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE’S JUST THIS KIND OF HISTORICAL ACCIDENT OF HOW WE’VE GOTTEN HERE AND IT’S ALL FAIR GAME. THE DATA AROUND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION REALLY IS QUITE COMPELLING. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO FOLKS THE WILDER STUDY THAT’S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE OF THE MAX M. AND MARJORIE S. FISHER FOUNDATION– MANY OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN IT– WHICH DETAILS THE PRESENT DAY VALUE FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL CHILD THAT REACHES KINDERGARTEN, KINDERGARTEN READY. AND AVOIDS THE BASIC NUMERIC AND LITERACY SKILLS THAT MOST KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOMS REQUIRE IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE THAT THEY’VE GENERATED, IT’S BASED ON RESEARCH DONE BY THE WILDER INSTITUTE AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH RESEARCH DONE BY NOBEL PRIZE WINNING ECONOMIST, JAMES HECKMAN. AND LAYS OUT, CONSERVATIVELY, THE PRESENT DAY VALUE FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL 1% INCREASE IN KINDERGARTEN READINESS WE ACHIEVE IN THE STATE, $100,000 IN PRESENT DAY DOLLARS, FOR EVERY DETROIT STUDENT THAT GETS TO KINDERGARTEN READY. AND $39,000 AND SOME CHANGE– ALMOST $40,000 PER STUDENT IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN THAT GETS TO KINDERGARTEN READY TO LEARN. IT’S A TREMENDOUS– AND 67% OF THE OVERALL SAVINGS THAT WOULD BE ACCRUED, WOULD ACTUALLY IMPACT THE STATE BUDGET, RIGHT? THE LONG TERM, SO WE NOW HAVE SOME LONGITUDINAL STUDIES THAT SUGGEST THAT, WHILE YOU DO SEE SHORT TERM FADEOUT, THERE’S NO– YOU CAN’T CORRELATE, FOR EXAMPLE, HEAD START CLASSROOMS WITH BETTER 3rd GRADE READING SCORES. AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU, REPRESENTATIVE ROGERS, THAT PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT HEAD START CLASSROOMS ARE TYPICALLY IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES, RIGHT? AND DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES. AND SO IT’S HARD TO BUILD A SHORT TERM RELATIONSHIP THERE. DESPITE THAT, THE LONG TERM BENEFITS OF EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION ARE STARTING TO LOOK QUITE COMPELLING AROUND CRIME REDUCTION AND OTHER LONG TERM BENEFITS. THOSE THINGS– SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT OF THOSE DOLLARS HIT THE STATE BUDGET. SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT OF THAT SAVINGS, SINCE THE STATE BUDGET. FOR EVERY 1% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO ARE KINDERGARTEN READY. I CAN’T IMAGINE, FRANKLY, A BETTER RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN THIS SPACE THAN THAT ONE. AT LEAST BASED ON THE DATA THAT I’VE SEEN. IT’S NOT PERFECT, RIGHT? HARD QUESTIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS HAVE TO BE ASKED ABOUT IT, BUT IT’S PRETTY COMPELLING. THAT’S ONE. TWO IS, I DO THINK THAT WE’VE GOT TO WORK ON THIS LONG TERM ISSUE. I WAS NOT A PROPONENT– I WAS NOT A FAN OF CHARTER SCHOOLS WHEN THEY FIRST EMERGED. I HAVE SINCE BECOME A BELIEVER IN SCHOOL CHOICE. THE MORE I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE ISSUE, THE MORE TROUBLED I AM BY THE FACT THAT WEALTHY FOLKS GET TO CHOOSE THEIR SCHOOLS SIMPLY BY CHOOSING WHERE THEY LIVE AND THAT POOR FOLKS, FRANKLY, HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO CHOOSE THEIR SCHOOLS WITH THE SAME DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY THAT FRANKLY EVERYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE TAKES FOR GRANTED. SO I BELIEVE IN OPEN ENROLLMENT SYSTEMS. WHETHER THEY ARE UNIQUE TO AN INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT OR CHARTER SCHOOLS. THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, OUR SYSTEM ISN’T DESIGNED TO WORK RIGHT NOW. IT JUST DOESN’T WORK. AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE INSTANCES LIKE THE ONE THAT WE SEE AT BUENA VISTA, UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND SO I DO THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE A LONG TERM– A GROUP HAS TO TAKE ON THE TASK OF LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR FUNDING AND ORGANIZING EDUCATION IN THIS STATE, OR WE WILL END UP WITH A CRISIS THAT FRANKLY WE’LL HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE MANAGING– TWO. LASTLY, THIRD, IS I THINK IN THE MEANTIME, THERE ARE SOME SHORT TERM THINGS THAT WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING, ASIDE FROM INCREASING FUNDING FOR HIGH QUALITY EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS. I THINK THAT WE’VE GOT TO RESOLVE THIS DISINCENTIVE FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT PROGRAMS THAT JOHN SPOKE ABOUT. THE DATA HERE IS ALSO PRETTY COMPELLING, THAT FOR– IN PARTICULAR– YOUR STUDENTS WHO ARE HIGH FLYING, IF YOU WILL, AND YOUR STUDENTS IN NEED OF REMEDIATION, THAT THIS IS A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT FOR BOTH GROUPS OF STUDENTS. AND RIGHT NOW, OUR SYSTEM COMPLETELY DISINCENTIVIZES SCHOOLS FROM ALLOWING STUDENTS TO ENROLL DUALLY. SECOND THING THAT’S SHORT TERM THAT WE DO NEED TO DO, I THINK, IS REVISIT A WEIGHTED FUNDING FORMULA. THE THREE POTENTIAL CRITERIA THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT REGARD: ONE IS AROUND THE MEDIUM OF DELIVERY. SO IT PROBABLY COSTS LESS TO DELIVER ONLINE THAN IN A BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING AND IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO COMPENSATE AN ONLINE PROVIDER AT THE SAME RATE IT DOES TO COMPENSATE A BRICK AND MORTAR PROVIDER. IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE ANY– IT’S JUST BAD POLICY. SECONDLY, BY THE AGE OF THE STUDENT, IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT COSTS MORE TO EDUCATE AN OLDER STUDENT THAN A YOUNGER STUDENT. AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER WEIGHTING FORMULA BASED ON THAT. AND THEN THIRDLY, ON THE STATUS, OR NEED, OR RISK OF THE STUDENT. IT COSTS MORE TO EDUCATE A STUDENT WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, OR AN AUTISTIC CHILD, THAN IT DOES A GENERAL ED STUDENT. THESE ARE JUST COMMON SENSE POLICY, SHORT TERM POLICY PRESCRIPTIONS, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS SYSTEM HEALTHIER. LASTLY, AND THAT IS THIS ISSUE OF COMMON CORE STANDARDS, THE MICHIGAN MERIT CURRICULUM AND THE LIKE. THE BUSINESS THAT WE’RE IN– I AGREE WITH DR. ZEILE, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE AT THE BOARD– IS NOT PREDICTING WHAT– AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU. IT’S NOT PREDICTING WHAT CAREER IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO A CHILD FIVE, TEN, FIFTEEN YEARS HENCE, RIGHT? FIFTEEN YEARS AWAY. WE DON’T KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW. AND EVERY TIME WE GET IN THE GAME OF PREDICTING THAT, WE MESS UP. THEN WE DO A DISSERVICE TO KIDS AND FAMILIES AND OUR STATE AS A WHOLE. WE GOT TO PREPARE KIDS FOR THE WORLD OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT FACE THEM. AND FOR THE FACT THAT THEY WILL LIKELY CHANGE CAREERS AT SOME POINT DURING THEIR ADULT LIFETIME. PROBABLY MORE THAN ONCE THIS GENERATION. THAT’S WHY WE NEED HIGH STANDARDS. SO NOT EVERY CHILD WILL GO TO COLLEGE. ABSOLUTELY NOT EVERY CHILD WILL GO TO COLLEGE. BUT EVERY CHILD SHOULD BE READY TO GO TO COLLEGE, IN CASE AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE THEY NEED TO, OR DECIDE THEY WANT TO. AND THAT’S WHAT SETTING HIGH STANDARDS IS ABOUT. ULTIMATELY, WE NEED LOTS OF PATHWAYS OUT OF THAT, BUT LET’S AS A STATE, MAINTAIN HIGH STANDARDS SO THAT OUR KIDS ARE ULTIMATELY INDIVIDUALLY EMPOWERED AND PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO DO TO NAVIGATE LIFE. ONCE AGAIN, I’LL GET OFF MY HORSE. THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US TODAY.>>THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE?>>REPRESENTATIVE POTVIN.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, IT’S BEEN A PLEASURE BEING HERE FOR THE SECOND TIME TODAY AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU. BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ON THE MICHIGAN TEAM. WE’RE ALL HERE FOR EDUCATION. WE’RE ALL HERE BECAUSE THAT IS OUR GOAL, THAT IS OUR TARGET. A BETTER EDUCATION SYSTEM FOR OUR ENTIRE STATE, FOR ALL OF OUR CHILDREN HERE. AND WE’VE ADDRESSED VERY WELL, A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. AND WE’RE ALL SEEING CHALLENGES THROUGH OUR OWN EYES. AND OUR GOAL REALLY IS TO CONTINUE, I THINK, TO BRING THESE EYES TOGETHER, SO THAT WE’RE VIEWING THAT VERY SAME PAGE. WE WON’T ALWAYS AGREE ON HOW WE VIEW THAT PAGE, BUT AT LEAST WE’RE VIEWING THE SAME PAGE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS A TEAM, AS THIS MICHIGAN TEAM. AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT FROM THIS MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MR. SUPERINTENDENT, OF ALL OF US AGAIN, TO CONTINUE THIS ROLE THAT WE’RE ALREADY PLAYING NOW. WE’VE STARTED. WE’RE OFF TO A GOOD START. LET’S CONTINUE IT. LET’S NOT JUST DROP IT HERE, BECAUSE THE RACE HAS REALLY STARTED. EACH ONE OF YOU HAS BROUGHT TO MIND YOU CHALLENGES AS YOU SEE THEM, AND THAT’S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR EXPRESSING YOURSELF SO WELL. I FALL INTO A LOT OF THOSE. AS A FORMER TEACHER, AN EDUCATOR, CONTINUING EDUCATOR, A PARENT OF AUTISTIC GRANDCHILDREN, I FIT IN LIKE MANY OF YOU INTO MANY OF THESE ROLES. BUT AGAIN, I REMIND EACH OF YOU, WE ARE ON THE MICHIGAN TEAM. WE’RE ON THE VERY SAME TEAM, WORKING FOR EDUCATION. LET’S GO OUT AND DO IT. LET’S GIT ‘ER DONE.>>YOU KNOW I, I DON’T HAVE A– THANK YOU, SIR. I DON’T HAVE A VOTE, SO I WON’T PUT MY POINTS ON THE TABLE. I’M NOT A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD. BUT AS THE FACILITATOR– AGREED UPON FACILITATOR, I WOULD SAY, I HAVEN’T DONE A VERY GOOD JOB BECAUSE WE’RE 20 MINUTES LATE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE COMMITTEES. BUT I DO THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS FANTASTIC. AND IT TOOK ME TILL I WAS PROBABLY 40, WHICH WAS A LONG TIME AGO FOR ME, TO TRY TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT I MAY NOT AGREE WITH AND THINK ABOUT, RATHER THAN JUST LISTEN FOR SOMETHING TO REINFORCE WHAT I ALREADY KIND OF BELIEVE. IT’S A VERY HARD DISCIPLINE, I STILL STRUGGLE WITH IT NOW. AND I SAW A QUOTE THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT YESTERDAY IN THAT– SET IDEOLOGICAL REFLEXES ASIDE FOR A MOMENT AND JUST THINK. SET IDEOLOGICAL REFLEXES, BECAUSE I HAVE THESE. WHATEVER IT IS THAT MAKES YOU READY TO REFLECT– AND HAVE THAT INSTANT REFLEX AND JUST THINK. AND I’M WONDERING IF THAT OPPORTUNITY MAY BE WITH, AS WE KIND OF MENTION THE POSSIBILITY OF A COUPLE OF MEMBER FROM EACH OF THIS, SITTING DOWN TOGETHER AND CONTINUING SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION, PARTICULARLY ON THIS SCHOOL FINANCE SIDE. MAYBE WE CAN–>>I’M JUST GOING TO SAY, IN CLOSING. I KNOW WE’VE GOT TO LET YOU ALL GET BACK TO LEGISLATING, OR MAYBE WE SHOULDN’T, BUT NO– [ LAUGHTER ] THANK YOU FOR SHARING IN THAT SPIRIT. AND I JUST WANTED TO– WE ARE EAGER, I AM EAGER– TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO FIND A WAY, SPECIFICALLY, TO COLLABORATE ON THIS BIG PICTURE. AFFIRMATIVE RE LOOK ON HOW WE ORGANIZE AND FUND SCHOOLS. PEOPLE REALLY WANT IT, I MEAN, IT’S CLEAR AT THE FORUMS WE’RE HAVING. I DID HAVE TWO SMALL NOTES. TO ONE OF DAN’S POINTS, THERE’S A LITTLE CODICIL IN THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE, THAT BASICALLY ASKS SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO REQUIRE STUDENTS TO BE LIBERATED FOR TWO ONLINE LEARNING COURSES IF THEY WANT TO AND THE MONEY TO FOLLOW. I JUST– I RAISE IT BECAUSE, EVEN IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE ONLINE LEARNING IS THE ANSWER, OR IT’S IMPORTANT– WE DO WANT TO FACILITATE ACCESS TO AN ONLINE COURSE FOR KIDS THAT NEED IT. BY REQUIRING THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU FALL IN THE SAME DYSFUNCTIONAL PROBLEM WITH DUAL ENROLLMENT THAT DAN FLAGGED. YOU’RE BASICALLY SAYING TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, “YOU HAVE LET THE MONEY AND THE STUDENT GO.” SO THEY WOULD DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE NOT TO LET THAT HAPPEN, JUST LIKE THEY DO WITH DUAL ENROLLMENT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NEGATIVE INCENTIVE. WE NEED A POSITIVE INCENTIVE THAT MAKES IT IN THEIR SELF INTEREST TO FACILITATE THE ONLINE COURSE THAT’S RIGHT FOR THIS KID. OR TWO OF THEM IF THAT’S WHAT’S RIGHT. JUST LIKE THE DUAL ENROLLMENT– GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY OR WHATEVER– IF IT’S THE BEST THING. SO WE’VE GOT TO CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC SOMEHOW, AND I FLAGGED THAT FOR YOU. BUT I ALSO REALLY WANTED TO– PART OF THE VIRTUES OF US HAVING A STANDARDS BASED SYSTEM OF COMMON FOUNDATION STONES FOR LEARNING FOR ALL OUR KIDS, IS THAT WE DON’T DICTATE CURRICULUM, WE DON’T DICTATE TEXTBOOKS. WE DO, HOPEFULLY, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IF THE E-READER IS THE RIGHT DELIVERY –IS A GOOD DELIVERY MECHANISM– LET’S HOPE THAT THEY HAPPEN. AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, “HOW “DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT “WE HELP TEACHERS LEARN TO USE “AN E-READER OR A FLIP “CLASSROOM, IF THAT’S GOING “TO BE THE MOST HELPFUL WAY “TO HELP KIDS LEARN?” AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE THERE EQUITABLY SO THAT SOME SCHOOLS AND OTHERS, WHO WANT TO GO SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANKS SO MUCH. AND WE DO HAVE SOME LUNCH AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION IF YOU’RE ABLE TO JOIN US?>>WE HAVE TO– WE JUST HAVE TO CLEAN UP OUR STUFF, WE HAVE TO ADJOURN, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING. BUT, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS –YEAH, RULES. DARN THINGS GET IN THE WAY. THIS WHOLE JOINT COMMITTEE IDEA, AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HELD AN EDUCATION WORKGROUP TWO SUMMERS AGO. WE TRY TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE STATE WAS WELCOME TO COME AND TALK TO US IN A MORE CASUAL SETTING SO THAT WE COULD TRY TO GET TO THE MEAT OF IT. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXTREMELY FRUITFUL, BECAUSE WE’RE SEEING SOME IDEAS THAT HAVE COME FORTH, WHETHER IT BE BY LEGISLATORS OR BY THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE, THAT WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED DURING THOSE MEETINGS. SO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ALL HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME– AND I TRULY, AGAIN, APPRECIATE ALSO, AS I THINK THE REST OF OUR MEMBERS, JUST HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION. IT SHOULD HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY. WE ALL TOUCH AND AFFECT EDUCATION AND WE NEED TO DO IT EFFECTIVELY, INSTEAD OF BEING OFF ON 15 DIFFERENT TANGENTS AND TRYING TO CORRAL IT. INVARIABLY, WITH EVERYBODY’S DECISIONS, THEY DUMP IT DOWN ON US AND SAY, “YOU’VE GOT “TO FIND THE MONEY FOR IT.” SO IT’S NICE TO BE AT THE TABLE ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD. SO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT WE DO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF A STRUCTURE TO FURTHER THIS AND MOVE IT FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, I’M GOING TO SEEK A MOTION TO ADJOURN BOTH THE SCHOOL AID AND THE MDE SUBCOMMITTEES.>>SO MOVED.>>SUPPORT.>>AND NOW I NEED ANOTHER MOTION AND SUPPORT FOR THE OTHER ONE. WE’RE GOING TO DO THIS FORMALLY.>>SO MOVED.>>SUPPORT.>>AND YOU’LL SUPPORT. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.>>AYE.>>I TRY TO CONFUSE THEM A LITTLE BIT.>>AND THOSE THAT CAN– I HOPE YOU CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. WE’LL HELP YOU FIND A PLACE. MERTZ IS GOING TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE’RE GOING TO MEET FOR LUNCH AND THEN I THINK FOR THOSE WHO ARE STAYING FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD MEETING, WE’RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO PROBABLY TRY TO GET BACK HERE BY 1:00, SINCE THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO ALSO. BUT PATIENCE WITH US IF WE’RE RUNNING A FEW MINUTES PAST.

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