How to Overcome Fear and Conquer Self-Doubt with Judi Holler (Most Interesting People)


bathroom so he decided no way he would eat the desserts period then he saw a and and thought that’s what would happen who are the world’s most interesting people and what’s fascinating is groundbreaking incredible things can they teach us in this new series I lead our science of people lab to interrogate I mean interview my favorite author expert and celebrities for them to share their best to people have social skills and stories and let me tell you they have some juicy tips is a new series I’m calling the world’s most interesting people hello hello YouTube friends I am so excited today to have Judi Holler on the show Judi is a professionally trained improviser and alumni of the famous Second City’s conservatory in Chicago she uses her training every single day to embrace fear manage self-doubt I need that and get more comfortable being uncomfortable Judi’s book fear is my homeboy best title ever became an instant Amazon bestseller Mel Robbins even endorsed her book calling it relatable relevant and most importantly actionable so today we are going to be answering questions about fear self-doubt confidence and we are also gonna make it super actionable welcome Judi so I am so excited to have you and I’m gonna just dive into all of our juicy uncomfortable questions and by the way everyone who’s watching we’re gonna play two improv games later where I’m excited I’m comfortable being uncomfortable with that but we’re not gonna do it yet I wasn’t with a couple questions so first I gotta ask you I love how you conquer fear you talk about fear in a very different way than other authors I’ve read a lot of books about fear obviously something I think about a lot you talk about it very differently so I wanted to just ask first what is your greatest fear and have you conquered it oh okay the juicy question I love that we’re starting here so let’s break this down into two little parts here let’s first talk about conquering fear so I don’t really believe that we can ever conquer our fear I think we’re gonna have different fears in Our Lives there’s generational fears you know based on how old you are 20 year olds are gonna fear things very differently than a 40 year old is going to fear and men and women we process in turtle eyes and manage fear very differently um so while I don’t think we and be able to conquer fear I do with it I believe we can dance with it it’s our job to show fear the bosses and community we call ourselves fear this means that we’re in charge right we call the shots on our day on our life on how we move through and with fear not the other way around because here’s the deal when you really have a goal of managing fear versus conquering fear because we’ll rant on the word figure listen just a little bit but when you have a goal of managing fear you will become more captivating because when you fit miniature fear you will be more captivating you will be more innovative you will be more able to be naturally outgoing you’ll be weren’t joyful and you’ll start connecting and really powerful in profitable ways when you manage your fear when you don’t you will stay stuck you will remain crazy busy you will end up with regret you will miss opportunities every single time to level up and share the world so we’re trying to avoid avoiding fear what we’re trying to do is figuring out figure out how to embrace it dance with it work with it and when we do this we can really open incredible doors in our lives so I’ll pause there for a minute because that was a lot but the goal is to conquer fear is to figure out how to work with it interview you’re less instead of chasing this unrealistic notion of fearless mm-hmm I like that a lot because I think that fearless is sort of like chasing perfection right right like perfectionist something that we’re like I want you know the perfect body language or I want the perfect business I want the perfect relationship the perfect doesn’t really exist I kind of agree that I think that fearless doesn’t really exist because if you live a life without fear it means you’re not challenging yourself you would eat traffic on purpose you eat poisonous foods and in the book big magic I read about this in my book by Elizabeth Gilbert they’ll be magic she made this joke about fearless that really struck a chord with me she said think about it listen the only fearless people I know are like five-year-old and sociopaths and right now we all have fear it’s who’s willing to work with it who’s ready to dance right who’s ready to look in the face and say hi I see you but what are you here to teach today and maybe you’re here to keep me safe a really dangerous situation but are you here to like wake me up new going on because I believe like nerves before coming on with you right this feeling we deal only step up to a stage when we start something new when we begin a coaching practice when we quit our job when we we do anything new in our life really of discomfort that feeling sweat and shaking and life that is hello I am very much alive and thank you for reminding me about that and now what am I going to go do with that feeling so we don’t conquer fear we work with it and I would say Vanessa to answer the second part of your question my biggest fear you know I’m a huge fraidy-cat if we’re gonna have a vulnerable moment I’m afraid of everything I’m afraid of doctors and spiders and elevators and all kinds of things right so completes your fear you guys right totally so I’m afraid all the things right and maybe you know I always think you know we teach what we know and we teach what we need so I’m always working through fear my biggest fear I’m gonna be honest few straight is is my fear becoming irrelevant right I like going out of business of not remaining relevant in my work and in my craft and on stage and as a writer so I love that I have that fear though and we can leave it to this because I think it’s that fear of worrying about becoming irrelevant or going out of business that literally keeps me moving and constantly pivoting and constantly taking a good long hook underneath the hood of my business personally and my business professionally because really we’re running two businesses you’re running your business like you’re running the business of captivating your books all your stuff doesn’t work your kids your spouse your relationships everything so really shifting to think about your the true CEO he was a powerful way to think about how we manage our fear and it gives us also the permission to do more great things because if we’re not taking care of ourselves like we’ve gotta write ourselves that permission right to be able to bravely move forward into the spaces that really take care of who we are it’s interesting because I think that a fear of being irrelevant so what I like when I think about here I like to think about what it leads to right and so when I am talking someone about fear and I’m asking them about their biggest fears especially thank you for getting deep with me like it beyond like the snakes and the spiders some friend of them too but like you know that like the human fears is I think what does that lead to so someone has a fear of being irrelevant that means that’s gonna give you your hustle like that fear irrelevance is your fuel for your hustle versus someone who has a fear of being alone the other one that I hear a lot so I do a lot of interesting kind of fear workshops with people live and I hear that all I’m afraid of being alone that will often drive them or that fuels them to try to captivate their social energy that’s why they picked up captivate all right like their fear of being alone is the reason it keeps in my book so I think that also sometimes we have to think about what are our biggest fears and how they can fuel different things and so I think that’s interesting because that’s exactly it kind of what I picked up from your book is this beautiful striving hustle but this very excited like you’re you’re excited about the hustle you’re not desperate that hustle and that’s a big also part of big magic right the difference between being a hungry artist and a starving artist heart and a job don’t work mentally physically spiritually emotionally and I think it feels so guilty for doing things to really protect our time for example I just got an out of office from Tamsin Webster I don’t know if you know who Tamsin Webster is she you could search her up as the red thread if you googled the red thread she’s a very an idea whisperer very famous in the 10 world a strategist a speaker all this stuff really brilliant in marketing she’s helped me on a couple of my keynotes and coaches me from a performance standpoint I just emailed her yesterday I posted this on Instagram stories I was so blown away by it you know we’re talking about having the courage to protect our business and do things differently right and office responder and it says you know it’s Monday but it’s Monday Monday so she takes Mondays and calls it her Monday and she sets her out of office and I must tell you this because this is just a small example of something great you could do to really get work done we think we don’t have time so she calls him her mind days and she goes you know I’m not gonna be as responsive today on email because today I am spending time creating work for you I’m going to be writing him to be thinking I’m going to be walking around my neighborhood I’m going to be researching even watching TED Talks and I’m going to not be on social media and I’m not gonna be on email and here’s why and here’s how it’s gonna help all of my time beautiful email that really like was classy and great and it’s starting some movement so anybody that reads that email is gonna go well what about me and maybe I spoke with the first hour of my day or maybe I start just protecting from 7:00 to 8:00 or into a lunch but and I do freestyle Fridays I do something very similar on Friday so my day to sort of catch a vibe and let myself off the hook I’m working but I’m not like am packing my schedule for the point is are we protecting a business because once you realize email is everybody else’s to-do list you start to get a little brave about how you run your business it’s easy to get hijacked personally and professionally if we’re just like going on that hamster of like what go into work check email look at social right like you know so it requires a little courage but when you think about yourself really as the business owner who you are first before that other business and whatever is giving you your paycheck it just kind of gives you that permission slip to really be bold and brave and you know dance with your ear a little bit more confidently so yeah well I think you mentioned this phrase which I love Elston this could have been your book child to dancing with fear thanks that’s so good next book your next book you know just getting it all down I have like a big notepad I’m like ready to know those everybody’s already written done so I love this idea of dancing with fear and it brings me perfectly into something else I wanted to ask you about which is there is no greater example in the world of dancing with your fear than improv so improv is is the mean that is the epitome of taking your fear and working with it so I wanted to ask what got you into improv many of your career because I didn’t use a lot of improv now in your current career what it was like at Second City and also what is improv because we’re talking about it give me the whole background and then what income is and more specifically like how people use it came up in the meetings industry so the power of like face to face and live events and we really believe in the meetings community that meetings do miss this and when we meet we change control and so I built a really strong career in the hotel in the hospitality side of the world so I opened otels I worked in national so books big city behind conventions so I’m very business because I’m a speaker so I guess I’m still doing meetings for a living in a different capacity now but I’m like gosh I mean we lived for the live events like Catering and banquets and all the good stuff and started build to sales career so that career led me to Chicago by way of a big promotion in the hospital 29:30 at the time and I knew what I got to Chicago I said I would love to study at Second City because I was sort of like loved presenting I did speech means I was like the speech heat nerd and like crazy just sort of like really craft that performance skill and assistance person and really performing and presenting so I knew Second City just tasted taking basic and probably probably helped me from a performance standpoint connect more powerfully and profitably in my sales calls presentations thought leadership in my career so I signed up for the basic classes that like anybody can go take and a small caveat here I’d tell this in my pee notes and your trainers may appreciate this but like not a lot of people know that the very first time I signed up for classes in second city I like never went I paid the fee the full feed the non-refundable fee walked all the way to the training facility from my apartment in Old Town and I never went in huh like why when people asked me if I plastered he did hope I was my bad wrong day wrong room I was so in my head I was 30 years old and my biggest fear was that I was too old and then I was too late and everybody was trying to be on Star Night Live all these kids were gonna make fun of me and I tell the story in my keynote I break it up into two components and I kind of come back to it but the cool thing is is I went right so it has a happy ending ended up reciting up and going back to those classes but like my favorite part of the story and I show this photo in my keynotes is when I walked into that classroom every signed up I was reading a lot of brené Brown at the time she’s getting me courageous and I had a good group of friends but when I heard the door to that classroom I flashed the photo of my first ever and Provenzano it almost like choked it even told the story to this day because it was just such a powerful like reminder that we have to go scared the first person I saw was a 59 year old surname Shelly University of Chicago and then behind her was a 62 year old sales guy named Frank and they were taking in front of their house development and here I was for like a year and a half waiting and opening that door the first lesson I ever got from the Improv Theater and it’s this that we have got to open the door we have got to go scared if you want to change your face if you want to captivate if you want to connect more powerfully and possibly if you want to like chase you’re really short like we have years gotta go scared while this doesn’t get easier you will get improv can help you with that but open the door I walked into the classroom started the basic classes auditioning for the conservatory which is like the professional program I get in I stay and I have shows at that theater I was in second city total seven years I never did the main stage because I job and you know it was salary was tied to take in a different direction but I implement some book called control delete and to this day I still worked closely with so many people in second city I hired them to do a lot of my creative work and I use it you know all the time in my keynote so the moral the story is and went back took the classes did it professionally and it was a massive flashpoint for me it really became my fear Church that’s what I always called it because he went to the Improv Theater to work that discomfort muscle and the more you do that right the better you get so it led me into my work today also look into a book called tears my homeboy and I just sort of started speaking for free anywhere I could I’d meet my sales meetings and say Kelly what I’ve learned then it became a blog and then I started getting actually get paid to speak places and in three years ago I quit my job it all began when I open the door to that improv classroom right and while that wasn’t easy it really packed a powerful punch and will break those lessons down today so I’ll pause there before it kind of like did you look like more formal definition of Improv Theater and like what it means and then we could kind of maybe take a stab at a game but I’ll let you toss us that because that was a lot but that’s how I came to the theater well I don’t think what’s amazing about that is there’s two things that I really want to highlight for people listening and this is actually a very special YouTube video so everyone who’s watching on YouTube I made this video for you Judi and I came on we also you might see some other folks in here those are also some of our trainers what I really want to share here is two things one is you went you felt too afraid you left but you came back but you came back and I think that’s so important I cannot tell you how many times I tried something once in my career it didn’t work or failed miserably and thank goodness I tried it again right so most of my successes were on second third fourth fifth tries very very few times over the first thing I when I’m working with some of my students sometimes I say it’s kind of like food so remember the first time you ate you probably don’t cuz you were probably like 6 or 7 months old the first time you ate it was super messy I promise it was super messy it was all over your face you didn’t know how to use a spoon you couldn’t put in your mouth you had to rely on other people to help you you kept eating you know you kept eating and now I can promise you you are an expert in eating you are sectionally good at eating I know I know I know you’re very good at using a fork I know this about you I can say with confidence you are a pro at eating because that took years and years of practice same thing with trying different kinds of food if we tried something once and we’re like no hate it usually we try it again a few years either like oh my tastes have changed or you know what people can make green beans better than the way my mom did which is boiling them with no salt and no butter right they’re way better with salt and butter but I had to try them again to be able to know that so this is anything anything with different kinds of things in your career whether that’s trying a new role or trying a new project or trying a new communication medium or try and start a podcast or whatever it is I think it takes a couple tries so there and then also of course you open the door and it’s okay we all start at zero we’re doing we’re just like you’re some grace but just keep showing up and I can promise you you will get braver so that is like a great segue into like improv and like what it really is and maybe planky here’s the like normal-ish definition of Improv Theater everybody watching it is essentially two or more people collaborating in environment of uncertainty with the common goal of creating a solution and if you are listening to this I mean I’m sure you could raise your hand and give me like I had yes on that right like every one of us is collaborating every day none of us have a script we are all trying to create solutions for our customers and you are already improvising I am telling people all the time if you woke up or took a breath if you have blood running through your veins you’re an improviser every day you were collaborating collaborating navigating change and creating solutions my always tell my parents I like just getting a child out of the house with my pants on most days it’s a brilliant improv performance like did you go there did you eat your food like teenagers like you’re amazing to be collectible teenagers in my world my stepsons and it’s like oh my god it’s an improv performance right so you don’t have to be a professional in price but you be in crazy and you’re already doing it so Improv Theater is a form of live theater and we have the script and the plot storyline the characters the dialogue it is all made up on the fly as we go we get our inspiration from our audiences and second city where I study is a very famous theater there’s a few LA and Toronto has one as well but Chicago’s very famous it was the first and people travel from all over the world to study there so alumni at second city are are people like Amy Poehler and Tina Fey and Steve Carell and my hero Gilda Radner and I mean it’s an honor to be in that theater and to study professionally but just to even do a basic class there’s a really big deal so that’s improv no script use inspiration and sort of creepies or training just succeed on stage and I can certainly play a game if you want warm up an easy game but I think your trainers will love it because this is a game you can use immediately it’s so easy to play but it packs such a juicy punch there are so many beautiful lessons looking to this game I do it for my keynote stages and this is also you can use around the dinner table with your feet it can be used around the campfire like whatever you guys do and it could be used on so many levels so maybe we start yeah one word if you want to play with me Vanessa I do I’m ready so I just pick any word and then what happens I’ve taken a couple improv classes a couple years ago and I loved it and I loved it and all you and I are gonna do Vanessa is we’re just gonna tell the story the only catch is we have to tell that story one word at time period now we can use punctuation like a period a question mark attack solution as a word button that worsens and when we feel that the story is sort of hit the ending or the you know peak I’ll say the end you won’t have to worry about I’ll say the end the the audience rather our trainers will give us like a round of applause in their offices I’m sure right and then I would sort of break down what just happened in the game with the first word and just sort of do need a suggestion to get started but since we don’t trainers you want to put suggestions in chat yeah yeah but what is a street and we’d love to get the title of a story that’s never been written like the YouTube live video that that hit twenty million views usually those sound like wishful thinking I kind of like the company was never eaten I think that was like a pretty great that’s a pretty big word at a time and the title of our story we’re gonna share is the cupcake the story of the app on time there was a little juicy cupcake and a very big cake period so a boy came and saw deserts and smelled the bathroom so he decided no way he would eat the deserts period then he saw a and and thought that’s what would happen if I gave that cupcake to E and question mark so good he decided it needed to eat quickly because the ant was so hungry and fat so he gave that cupcake to the excavation you did so great and it was all you could tell you general – and you know I loved that there were a couple of moments where you felt like you might have had a word and he works sure you should say the word one about that tell me before he could’ve give you some of the like juicy lessons in here how did it feel having to use just one word and how did it feel when you have those pauses like you know well the funny thing is I think adds a little bit of a control freak I wanted to control the words that you were gonna say so I wanted to give you my word to say like I wanted to have you know of the the aunt be tipsy but I couldn’t get tipsy in there with words and so I unfortunately had each other’s head one early dancing you know let’s see together and also you really think about it – how many times we’ll be doing this well we we’re like here’s ahead of where we should be we’re working with the client we’re talking our spouse summers just introduce themselves to us you’ve already forgotten your name what we’re talking about because we know all the stuff we want them to go to for us we’re already on to like the next agenda item this game is designed to help us trust that what we have is good enough one word can be a really big deal and that it’s not about the best thing it’s about the next thing and that while we can’t control the story we can control how we show up to it so that’s number one what what else helps you succeed in that game anything else yeah there was one other thing which is was the couple times actually ii guess my word was only because i felt like I was playing safe so instead of saying like you know then the and ate the cupcake I was like let’s add a little bit of a juicier work like let’s be a little bit particular we’re like for example I didn’t I was hoping that you didn’t expect me to say ant right yeah and so like because originally I was like I should say mom but you kind of expect a boy and a mom you know but ant I was like ant is totally weird so the few times I didn’t guess myself was because and this happens to me a lot in real life I hate being boring I hate it I haven’t bring conversation I hate social scripts and so I felt like anytime something was kind of scripted like people expected an answer I wanted it to be to France err on stage in front of 1200 people and we had a castle and I brought three people up and she literally said 40 horny unicorn and the whole place went crazy nobody expected it my face goes bright red I don’t like okay well we’re talking about hoarding occurs no mistakes only gifts this is unexpected it like you know we just don’t know what it’s going to get throw Madison like we have to have the courage to like take a deep breath trust ourselves and embrace the weirdness and that’s what it promised all about your things are going to happen people might say something that makes you uncomfortable but how are you controlling your right that see you can do is control react near reaction there’s one thing I want to say about this game that I think that’s a really powerful punch maybe before we move on to some of your other questions is this there is so much power in one word and I think a lot of times me over in a word vomit right and over-talk me what an overshare we put so many slides and our keynotes and one more chapter in our book when sometimes you know you know breaking it down to the bare bones can actually be the greatest gift you give yourself your body into anybody consuming your content or your work and so there’s this analogy in The Improv Theater it’s called bring a brick so a lot of early improvisers novice improvisers they show it to the first day of them top or first couple of improv scenes and they they start the scene they certainly don’t throw bag of bricks on the stage sinister don’t we get all that and saying like all the things and doing all the things these are nervous and they don’t know they’re nervous get in the way and they start dump their bag of bricks on the stage and then all of the improvisers that are trying to play with them they’re trying to figure out what brick to dig up first and we can’t carry all the bricks and it’s a little trip over the bricks we forgotten how many bricks have been put out in the first place and wouldn’t it be so much more fun and rewarding if we could sort of like build the improv house together like one brick at a time and so I share this to help you remember that what you focus on expands so sometimes bringing these big meaty goals and these dreams that we have these big scary things that we want to accomplish down just sort of like bite-sized chunks it’s a really powerful Improv Theater a hack and we use games like one word to focus on one day so that we can move the scene forward together but also you can use this idea in your business and in life to manage fear by really getting laser focused and like bird by bird brick by brick right one day one hour one step at a time like moving the scenes forward in your life write the book tomorrow let’s just you know let’s sit down and work on writing a sentence and that can become a pair which could become a chapter which can become a book so again this idea of bringing a brick and really trusting that one word you know can be enough that’s a great way to think about even managing beer you know I really like that because it’s another way of thinking about baby steps is you’re just trying to move one word forward or I was we’re just trying to move the scene forward that’s it I wasn’t trying to write the whole novel I wasn’t trying to write a children’s book just move the scene forward so I loved that idea and I think it’s the biggest question that I think maybe our viewers have right now which is actually the last big topic I want to talk about for this video is what if you want to move the scene forward you really want to work with your fury and dance with it but you have imposter syndrome how do you deal with imposter syndrome what and by the way for those who are listening impostor syndrome is basically when you feel like you’re an imposter or you’re a fraud so you show up to big work meeting and you’ve been given this big presentation you think you know what I don’t deserve to be here I’m not smart enough for this a lot of the I’m not blank enough comes up with a plaster them I’m not smart enough I’m not educated enough I’m not pretty enough all those enough come up here so oh you know I know obviously we can’t solve and punch them in a video in a video but I think we’ve already given a couple small steps is there any kind of words of wisdom or even a practical strategy you have for those enough those moments of self-doubt I loved how you talked about in your book about bravery and courage and managing so how does becoming really a conversation through women like Renee Brown and no Robin the people to spring a lot of these courageous conversations to the forefront but in this article it said that highly achieving highly successful people often suffer the most so impostor syndrome doesn’t equate to low self-esteem or a lack of confidence and I love that point in fact some researchers have linked it with perfectionism especially among women and young academics so it’s this idea that you know despite all of this evidence success you still feel like I remember the first time I put improv games on a stage in a keynote I had graduated from second city I did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of herds and I was standing on that stage nervous at back at the tape just the other day and I’m like oh my god it was so bad because I was so nervous and so when I had my honestly felt like an impostor like Who am I to be up here I don’t deserve this is they’re all gonna find me outright they don’t really know what I’m doing I’m not that great at improv and so again that’s an example how it made me on a fast but here’s what I love about this idea of impostor syndrome in a way I think we can move through it when impostor syndrome shows up and arrives in your life it shows you that you have arrived like you have leveled up because I do believe it means you’re becoming a version of yourself that you have never met before and when you are a version of yourself you have never been before it is okay to not know what you’re doing because you’ve never done it before so you’re stepping in to like this new you this new power this new bravery right let’s do a fold space in your life maybe it’s scary maybe it’s overwhelming maybe it’s exhilarating but it’s a new version of you and when you’re doing something new you are going to feel out of sorts and out of place and self-doubt is a natural it is a natural benefits beneficiary the right word it is a natural side effect I guess like awesome up and and and we’ve got to like be okay with the fact that we’re doing something we’ve never done so one of the things I love to remember about moving through soft out something practical that always sticks with me when I feel like an impostor when I’m moving through extreme salt out which oh by the way right I always like to remember this that we get so worried about people judging us and not liking us and making fun of us or publicly failing or embarrassing ourselves but the things I’d like to remember is this people are already talking about you people are already judging you and people are part of making fun of you probably and I say that with love so the question is who are you living your life who you running your business for you or everybody else and so just knowing that life is short self-doubt is a natural side effect of bad ass Murray’s right and and impostor syndrome is something a lot of us struggle with and knowing that impostor syndrome really is there when you have arrived into a space you’ve never met before you sort of give yourself the grace to like let yourself off the hook and just move through it but also remember like life is short and it is up to you to run your business and live your life the way you want to do it right if you’ve got it you’ve got to really get balanced and brave by design and that requires you to look at salt out as it’s kind of an awakening like okay I’m feeling soft out that means I’m in his face I’ve never been I’m becoming a version of Judi I have never been and welcome to the party sucked out welcome to my party well you have just arrived because I’ve arrived and that’s the way I like to think about it it doesn’t mean about scaritage but you get stronger right you get stronger and so I’ve never heard that before and I love it so much that when you feel imposter syndrome it’s evidence that you just leveled up they look great like great that that means you get to like literally dance with it I mean literally you’re like yes I feel in cost and room which means I am trying something new and harder and I’m hustling and I’m doing it right so I’ve never heard that or but I love because I used to feel in western termite I kind of felt dread oh here it is again right but actually no it’s like okay I believe just like we go to the gym to get strong and lose weight muscles if your boss Fitness we go to the gym and we’re picking up weight to the we’re picking up is discomfort and more discomfort we pick up on the regular just stronger we get and this will never get easier and scared things will never get less scary but you will get stronger and that’s what the Improv Theater is designed to do it’s there to teach us yes we’ve got to keep going especially when things get hard and especially when things get uncomfortable so oh my gosh that there is no better way to end this video with that kind of call to action to mantra so for everyone who’s watching I hope this has change your perspective on theater to dance with it that it’s evidence of something good as Judi so wonderfully mentioned I think we’re always improvising all the time whether you are action on the theater or on a stage or not we are always advising and maybe that’s a good thing so I hope for everyone listening you can go out you can dance with your fear Judi where can everyone find you working they all do work of course we will link to your book and your website in the notes below but where else can page and as the business skills I’m sure will be for anybody watching little like you just text the word brave brave two four seven four seven four seven you will jump you’ll get a little link if you click that give us your permission with your email and then we will send you a bunch of downloadable freebies that you may enjoy that really builds off the content and my work and sort of test-drive the book and the work for just giving us your permission via email and connects you to to the community in the work a little bit but ah you are the best okay so we have freebies we have the book we have Instagram by the way Judi is awesome on Instagram if you want like constant confident reminders I like love falling in scrim go follow her on all the things go by her book all the info below Judi thank you so much for being on oh right so trainers that will be V edit for YouTube you’re welcome to hop on video if you would like and I want to open up to any trainer questions you have for Judi if you would like you’re welcome to pop in and chat and I thought Judi well people think about if they have any questions they might not we could do our last game and by the way Manik had suggested a really great title for a story the grandmothers cookie jar that led to a hidden treasure I guess cookies and cookies was on our mind so shall we play it one last game and if any trainers have questions they can pop it in and we’ll get inspiration one sentence catches that sense each says to start with the corresponding letter of the alphabet so for example if our suggestion is like vacation has something that two works I’d say alright and just booked a vacation to Cancun say boy I’m so excited I take come on let’s run a cabana you’d say damn right you get the point right see now here’s the thing when we get to XY and Z it’s gonna be super uncomfortable so we’ll just be making step up even if it rhymes just roll with it but trust yourself and there are no rules no mistakes only gifts in The Improv Theater and you and I both know the alphabet but every time I could escape it does not matter second city or not we always lose our place on the alphabet so usually the live audience keeps us on place so you and I will just help each other out on track like fill up a letter where we’re lost but we’ll start with a end with C one sentence at a time I’ll start the first sentence just having a conversation we just need some inspiration like Candice just said it’s lunchtime where I am getting quite hungry oh he talked so if I’m also hungry let’s talk about like lunch inspiration so don’t let that bind you I was started a and we’ll be done with winners last seven starts with Z okay okay all right all right we have got to check out the new Mexican joint just open next door but a sushi place opened across the street I think that would be so much better the best ideas let’s do sushi doughnuts are also an option that is the problem though cuz doughnuts are so bad for you so maybe we should consider something else God you couldn’t be more right I have got to lose at least 10 pounds before this trip to Mexico hell no you don’t just stay at your weight you look awesome just lift a couple weeks love everything you do so lunch let’s do it now I think that we should start at sushi have appetizers and then move over to Mexican food perfect so let’s take an uber across the street cuz I’m in heels I can’t walk remember we could probably use our business credit card because I bet you business will cover it seriously totally over abuse that privilege all the time very true because it’s a great way to do business while we’re eating at the same time let’s just let’s just let’s just get ourselves to the Zoolander is really good at saying things too so I’m gonna do my blue steel and then we’ll call it a day which is usually what I do is the suggestion I asked for the first letter of the first name is so we still start a so we we’re starting with em and going all the way to em we’re certain oh we’re starting with X I got a sander one time so it’s adding like a little fear experiment on top of the scary game but this game is really the bottom line on this game is it remind you there’s no MIT mistakes only guests you can’t let the slip-up stop with your grass keep going and then of course you have to show up when it gets uncomfortable this game is super uncomfortable so I also I want everyone who’s watching so everyone who’s gonna watch this now is trainers and these are different kinds of ways that we can be playful with material – so you could absolutely have body language be the topic for this game right so you could be like okay like let’s let’s talk about what we know about body language right and like you could just have people bring things up you could say like hey let’s we’re doing a pitch clinic let’s talk about pitching right let’s talk about shark tank suit ABC game for shark tank so like use these games the reason why I wanted I asked you let’s just do two because I think it’s a really good way to get to dive in two different ways you can play with the material and get people loose I will tell you while playing this game and I highly encourage you to play this with colleagues you’re in the present moment like there’s no worrying about the next thing there’s no thing unless I have to listen to what Judi is saying so I can know what I’m saying next I can’t be thinking about you have important conversations if you want to really captivate I just like having the courage to yeah so it’s a very very good for me to be present which is something I work on all the time Ryan said things didn’t have some great insights Candace said I have game night for this weekend what a great party game so I think we got all of our questions answered which is amazing I feel like the hour went like that which is crazy I can’t believe already done Judi I’m gonna thank you again so much for being on sharing your insights I hope we can work on more things together I hope we’re gonna be in the same city at some point so we can do something in person which would be so fun and anyone who’s watching I hope you will go check out Judi’s work buy her book it’s a great kind of mantra to have on your desk I feel like it’s sort of your like our best friend it’s cheering us on it’s like a it’s a good book of pep talk which I like one slide it would say get uncomfortable every day hmm get uncomfortable every day on purpose with that my friends I hope you have a wonderful rest your day and Judi I will email you very soon all right bye everyone

15 thoughts on “How to Overcome Fear and Conquer Self-Doubt with Judi Holler (Most Interesting People)”

  1. Can you please make a video on how to decode people's behaviour based on their social media usage? Like how Cambridge analytics did.๐Ÿคช

  2. wow I love Judi's last takeaway. This was such a great video, thank you Vanessa and Judi.
    Here's a summary that I'm going to save somewhere for when Impostor Syndrome hits me next:
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    When you feel impostor syndrome, it is a sign that you are leveling up. You are uncomfortable and scared, but you're getting stronger by doing things anyways and challenging yourself to do things you've never done before, and that's natural + ok.

    Instead of worrying about what other people think of you or could be saying about you, remember that people will always talk anyways (no matter what you do), and life is too short to allow other people to dictate how you live your life.

    You're becoming a version of yourself that you've never been before. When you're doing something new, you're going to naturally feel out of place as a side effect, and you've got to be okay with that.

  3. I like the topic of the video about self-doubt and there should be more awareness around the impostor syndrome, but this video is really difficult to listen to with the hampering in the audio. I hope that there will be a chance to remake this video with a different quality of the microphone on Judi's side.

  4. Enlightening. Thank you for sharing. I actually started watching because I want to help my 8 years old but ended taking a lot for my self.

  5. Wow, this is amazing!! I just completed a beginner improv class but now I'm scared of going to the next level because it involves a show. I don't know if I should be happy I tried it or push myself to the next level. Improv is great for feeling the fear and doing it anyway!

  6. You two Ladies are so cute and I enjoyed the talk. Life is a great play in which everyone plays their own way. Thank you Judi and thank you Vanessa for the good podcast-Interview. Letโ€™s be present to one another (not worrying about mistakes)

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