Hank Hanegraaff Addressing John MacArthur’s Comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church


Well today I wanted to produce a short
video which responds to someone that I consider a friend, John McArthur. John
said that any deviation from the gospel of grace is a damning lie to be cursed,
and I would agree with him wholeheartedly. But I want to have you
listen to what he has to say, and then let’s make some clarifications. When I heard
this clip, I thought, “You know, I have to do a short video and discuss this clip because, I think it leaves a false impression in the minds of people. Now I take no pleasure in debating John.
He’s a friend. I’ve spent some great days playing golf with him. I’ve
had some very very meaningful discussions over dinner. John is one of
the nicest people you’ll ever meet, and I’ve certainly had him of the Bible
Answer Man broadcast. I considered it an honor to have been asked to speak at the
dedication of MacArthur chapel at Masters seminary. But John’s
misunderstanding, with respect to soteriology, ought to be addressed for
the sake of the gospel. Now let me make just a few preliminary remarks. I mean to
his credit, I should say that John substantially gets the number of
Orthodox Christians right. But those who are familiar with church history are
immediately alerted to the fact that Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism don’t have the exact same doctrine. Not only that, but
there are many significant differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern
Orthodoxy. For example, Orthodoxy rejects purgatory.
Orthodoxy rejects papal infallibility. Orthodoxy rejects the Immaculate
Conception as it was defined at least by Pope Pius the 9th. And unlike
Protestantism, which shares a common history and geography with Catholicism,
Orthodoxy was not part of the Western narrative. What I mean is they
didn’t have a reformation, they didn’t participate in the selling of
indulgences, and they don’t subscribe to such dogmas as limbo or the
celibacy of the priesthood. And let me also provide a little context for what
MacArthur mistakes as the “rag” infused with life” that was placed on my head.
In reality, no “rag” was ever placed on my head. Instead, during chrismation, or what
is known in the Western churches “confirmation,” a stole – an epitrachelion – part of the ministerial vestment, a symbol to ministers of the body of Christ that
they’re supposed to live and act solely as faithful shepherds of Christ’s flock
was placed on my head, and you’ve got to remember that this is in concert
with what the Apostle Paul said. I think it was Acts chapter 20 where he said, “Keep
watch over yourselves, and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you
overseers of these shepherds of the Church of God which he bought with his
own blood because I know that after I leave, savage wolves are gonna come in
among you, and they’re not going to spare the flock. Even from among your own
number of men are going to arise. They will distort truth in order
to draw away disciples after themselves. And so be on your guard, and remember
that for three years I never stop warning each one of you night and day
with tears, and I think that’s what John is doing. I mean he really, really cares
about the gospel, and I’m glad that he does. So let me make a quick comment on his representation of the Orthodox view of faith and works in context he is
quoting an orthodox writing which says, “We believe a man to be not justified
through faith alone, but through faith which works through love.
That is to say through faith and works And that, says John, that is a
false gospel. It is not to be joined, it’s a gospel that must be cursed.
Well what McArthur here is quoting is something that was said by a 17th
century patriarch of Jerusalem who is simply reiterating what James the bread
of our Lord says in Sacred Scripture. Most of you know this text by heart.
Remember James, he says “What use is it my brothers? What use is it if someone
says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or
sister is without clothing, is in need of daily food, and then one of you says to
them, “go in peace, be warmed, and be filled,” and yet you don’t give them what
is necessary for their body, well, what use is that? Even so faith, if
it has no works, is dead. Because faith without works is by itself. But of course someone may counter that saying, “You have faith, and I have works.
Well show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my
works. And then James famously says you believe there’s one God or that God is one? You do well. The demons, of course, also believe that, and they shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is
useless? Was not Abraham our Father justified by works when Abraham offered
up Isaac, his son, on the altar? And so, James goes on to say, “You see that faith
was working with his works and as result of the works, faith was perfected. And the scripture was fulfilled which says – and here James
is quoting for the Old Testament – it says that Abraham believed God, and so it was
reckoned to him as righteousness. And then he was called the “friend of God.” You
see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone. Again, that’s not me,
that’s James. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works
when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as
the body without the Spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. Now again I want to emphasize that these are not my words. These are words from
the book of James. I think I’ve quoted them correctly. Now we’ve just passed the
Reformation quincentenary which is the marking of 500 years of debate between
Protestants and Roman Catholics respecting their
dichotomization of faith and works. And this is a debate that would not, could
not, so much as have been imagined in the Eastern Orthodox tradition. Indeed, St. Mark the ascetic – he’s a guy that is far beyond me – he is said to have memorized
the whole the scripture is one whose sermons are regarded as preeminent in
the literature of the church. He offers perhaps the clearest statement in early
church literature. It’s back in the 5th century that demonstrates that believers
are not made righteous by good works, rather that true faith will manifest
itself in good works, and that without good works, one does not have genuine
saving faith. He had a treatise; it was titled on those who think they are made
righteous by works and in the treatise he achieves remarkable balance between
Jesus and Paul and James of balance we desperately need. Let me read what he has to say in that treatise he says when Scripture says, “He will reward every man
according to his works,” do not imagine that works in themselves merit either
hell or the kingdom. On the contrary, Christ rewards each man according to
whether his works are done with faith or without faith in himself. He is not a
dealer bound by contract, but God our Creator and Redeemer. So let me make one
more point in all of that. In light of that I should note that the
patriarch of Jerusalem was in the broader context. He was seeking to refute
the patriarch of Constantinople, who was attempting to incorporate Calvinistic
determinism into Orthodox theology. In other words, in the confession
McArthur quotes from the patriarch was concerned with Calvin’s belief – his
belief that God “arranges all things by his sovereign counsel. And he does that
in such a way that individuals are born who are doomed from the womb to certain
death. That some are preordained to eternal life, and others to eternal
damnation. And accordingly, as each has been created for one or the other of
those ends,” says Calvin, “he’s been predestined to life or death.”
And Calvin, of course, famously also said, “God does not only foresee the fall of
the first man and in him the ruin of his posterity, but also at his own pleasure
arranged it.” Now while it would be imprudent for me to inject myself into intramural Calvinist debates, I content myself here to merely remind everyone
watching that God himself says in Sacred Scripture, “I take no pleasure in the
death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their wicked ways and live.” Well I’m gonna leave it at that with a reminder that we should stand together
with Christians around the world, United in the essentials of the historic
Christian faith. In essentials unity, in non essentials liberty, in all things charity.
What CS Lewis talked about when he talked about mere christianity. And I
also want to maybe quote here as well the precious words of Holy Scripture.
these are words that I’ve memorized as a brand new believer and they’re always in
my memory trace. “It is by grace that you have been saved through faith, and this
is not from yourselves. It is the gift of God, not by works, so
that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork created in Christ Jesus to do
good works, good works which God prepared in advance for us to do. At the end of
the day, I’m as deeply committed today as I have ever been to memorize the
Scripture. To meditate upon Scripture. and to mine the sacred Scriptures for all
their substantial worth. I will also continue to pray for God’s richest
blessings on John MacArthur. He has a tremendous ministry, and he’s got
wonderful loved ones, and I again continue to keep them in my thoughts and
prayers. I hope we have many, many more years to reach out, as he has so
wonderfully with his teaching, and with his passion. And again as I said at the
very beginning he is just a great guy. I really like John, and sometimes his
bark is worse than his bite. If you ever spend any time with him personally,
you’ll find that he’s a true gentleman. So thanks for listening in to this video.
I want to set the record straight as always. Do remember that this kind of
information you can find on the web at Equip.org, on YouTube, on Facebook, the
Bible Answer Man Facebook page and in many other places I’m sure. Thanks for
listening to my short comments on this very significant issue.

100 thoughts on “Hank Hanegraaff Addressing John MacArthur’s Comments about the Eastern Orthodox Church”

  1. MacArthur's revulsion over the Orthodox doctrine that man is justified by faith and works is bizarre given that he insists upon justification by faith alone but then goes on to define faith as including works. Consider this excerpt where MacArthur defines faith as “a firm conviction… a personal surrender… [and] conduct inspired by such surrender.” (The Gospel According to Jesus, John MacArthur, quoting WE Vine, p.173-174)

    John MacArthur is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He shouts "Sola Fide" to prove his reformation bona fides, but then defines faith as including works, which completely undermines his previous assertion that justification is by faith alone.

    MacArthur's doctrine more Eastern Orthodox than he realizes.

    For more on MacArthur, I invite you to consider the following:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEwmIfLSesQ&list=PLC7CED7464EB739B6

    The truth is, God's people are justified by the blood of Christ plus absolutely nothing else. Faith is the means whereby that justification, via covenant or cross, becomes a cognitive reality to God's people. Works are the means whereby we SHOW the preceding justification of God to a watching world.

    God bless,
    TETH

  2. Few Errors Mr Hank did I hope not intentionally. Eastern Orthodoxy did participate on selling Indulgences. The do ascribe on the celibacy of the Priesthood for Bishops. All their Bishops, Archbishops and Patriarchs are celibate and started as tonsured monks. Also John MacArthur believes rightly in the Lordship Salvation, which is not that far from Faith and Works that Mr Hank ascribes from EO point of view.

  3. Well put, Hank. "His bark is worse than his bite". Hopefully. because he sure barks a lot. Sounds like "Easy Believism" may have gotten another disciple in JM? The Orthodox quote sure sounds like "Lordship Salvation" to me. (Ha)

  4. James is talking to saved brethren not unsaved what James is saying is JUSTIFIED before man not before God.
    we are not saved by any kind of works, we are saved unto good works. the epistle of James is a descipling epistle not a salvific epistle. we are saved by believing in christ alone and what he has done to save us.
    calvinism is false and they have a Jesus that did not die for the whole world.
    I enjoy your videos, may the lord bless you
    Roman's 11:6
     6  And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

  5. well said Hank Sir! Humility No animosity. Correct Scripture application. This is a man who looks like he has Joy of the Holy Spirit to me. Thank you for you ministry telling me in the past about the hereticle Word-faith movement.

  6. John MacArthur still thinks you can receive the mark of the beast and still be saved …That is from the pits of hell

  7. No man is justified by faith and works but by his faith he does his work. I love John MacArthur I used to listen to Hank hanegraaff but then they started slipping. Selling books of philosophy still celebrating Easter and Christmas. When will you destroy your denominations man question mark John MacArthur speaks strongly and I love him as a true biblical teacher.

  8. I teach true Orthodoxy (Ancient Greek) theology online. I am blessed to be privy to some ancient documents. I teach online with my Youtube account, all welcome.

  9. Ephesians 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them". Protestants are confused about the difference between works of the law of the old testament and the works of grace through Jesus Christ of the new testament.

  10. We are saved by Grace through Faith. From the free gift of Grace from God, good works are produced from those who receive that Grace.

  11. Thank you so much for this wonderful video. We must also remember that in the Great Assize, Christ judges people according to their works, but only if they're done through faith, not if they're done by 'ticking' them off from a list. We're not supposed to know or remember what the right hand is doing when we're doing good works.
    Please see my videos on Orthodoxy on Youtube under 'marykfilms.'

  12. I agree with Dr.John MacAuthur. Hank's new religion is one of complicated rituals and working his way into Heaven, unfortunately.

  13. Hank seems to have misunderstood what John was saying in this clip. He said that on the subject of salvation by faith and works, both Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy share the same doctrine. He did not say that they are alike in any other area, so this critical analysis (although diplomatically put) was misplaced.

  14. I used to listen to the bible answer man broadcast years ago, and I always thought to myself, "he is so close to Orthodox!" Well, just like Jaroslav Pelikan it was just a matter of time!

  15. Is it true that Hank would agree with this?

    Romans 10:17
    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    We fight down here but God loves the sinner up there!  Come to the cross of Christ. Drink His blood and live in His Holy Spirit He has sent to all who love Him and receive forgiveness of our sins.

    John 3:
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Ephesians 2:
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23

    "The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

    "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and he was buried, and he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures" 1 Cor.15: 3-4

    WHY? WHY DID HE HAVE TO DIE AND RISE FROM THE DEAD

    "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

    Jesus took our death sentence for all our sins on Himself and shed His sinless blood to pay them all. For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins! And His blood is sinless and it paid the sin price for countless Saints of all times who believe on Him. Jesus Christ did it all for our eternal life one day in Glory with Him. And  we did nothing before to deserve it but now we are  His living body by His blood and by God the Holy Spirit who has sealed and lives in us and Jesus will complete our salvation one day by calling us up to Him in the air and escorting us to His Fathers House in Heaven.

    JESUS IS LORD GOD AND SAVIOR OF ALL BELIEVING SINNERS

    Romans 10:
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

  16. I think both go hand in hand. John is right. The Bible man is correct. My take is that the starting point is a simple believe (faith) for ones self. But if you are ministering to others, faith and work works together. I can almost say work should take the lead when ministering to others with the ultimate goal of faith following. So depending on the situation, faith or work can come first. This is why we need wisdom not head knowledge. Knowledge is having a lemon. Wisdom is turning it into a lemonade for the benefit of oneself and others. Peace and Blessings to you all.

  17. I appreciate pastor’s hanegraaf “Loving and humble” response to John Macarthur. But the the biblical teaching is remains – the salvation is by Grace through faith alone” and not by “ faith plus works”. Dr. Macarthur was just speaking the truth and reminding that there are false teachers teaching false and watered down doctrines. Mr. Hanegraaf has not addressed the main Issue – that salvation is by faith alone not by “faith plus works” which is the teaching of the eastern orthodox Church which is also the same official teaching the Roman Catholic church.

  18. Satan just loves the divisions in churches. We should just be Christians. The thief on the cross had no works but is in paradise. Unbelievers can do good works but have no faith. My personal belief is if u have faith u will do some good works but I dont worry about how much good works I do because my faith is more important. Besides James was talking to the Jews because they have always been on a faith and works plan which they will need during the tribulation. Our works will bring us rewards in heaven they will be tried by fire. I just implore u not to get caught up just doing works and works. Increase your faith in Christ and the works will come and take care of themselves. I'm not a big MacArthur fan either. Man will let u down and so will all these different denominations. It's sad that we all believe in Christ but can't seem to follow him the same way. Help us Lord to see truth and love our fellow Christians without bashing them.over the head

  19. Sorry you confuse me Hank. You say John is your friend but do a YouTube clip against his comments. Wouldnt it make more sense to pick up thr phone and chat it through? You'd ptobably then have all your doctrinal confusion cleared up.

  20. You and I met over lunch at a conference held in Denver not long after Walter Martin had passed away. Not sure of the year but at the time I was booking Dave Hunt’s engagements when he was in the area so I got share lunch with some of the other speakers. Must have been 6 or more. I remember saying that I had some doubts no about the trinity but the tight philosophical construction of it as produced at Nicaea. Given the gathering I thought it safe to ask. I remember you unequivocally informing me that if I did not accept it I could not possibly be, “saved.”

    Since I’ve been toying with the idea of converting to Russian Orthodox and it appears you’ve made the plunge one would hope you now have a rather more mature position on the process of sanctification.

    You are a lot more charitable toward John MacArthur’s intentionally denigrating comment regarding the “ritual of placing a rage on your head.” However I find this quite typical of him and an arrogant certainty I find distasteful among many professional, “apologists.”

    My opposition to the Calvinistic notion of predestination is a bit stronger. I have, in my research, interviewed more than several satanists who were willing to talk to me about their beliefs. Most of them had some form of strict Christian background. I was expecting their satanism to be a reaction to Roman Catholicism but much to my surprise the majority had come out of either a charismatic or Reform environment.

    As far as the latter, all told me that since humans were either predestined to Christian salvation or damnation and since they found no matter how hard they tried (and I had no reason to doubt their sincerity) they could not live the Christian life so they might as well swallow the bitter pill and admit they were predestined to damnation and make the very best of it.

    In short, I hold that Calvin’s notion on this point is not a simple disagreement among brethren without much consequence but rather a heresy straight from Hell that makes questioning the Nicene trinity look rather mild in comparison. I do have more nuanced theological comments on the doctrine but this one seems the most immediate.

  21. James 2 has absolutely nothing to do with salvation and forgiveness and grace. James 2 is talking about influencing the rest of society with faith and works for Christ.

  22. You totally misunderstood what John was saying. When John said that the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics have the same Doctrine, he was not talking about everything they believe, he just meant the doctrine of how a person gets saved. And it is true that eastern rthodox and Catholics believe that same thing about how a person gets saved

  23. For reference, the Ephesians verse on salvation is: “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

    by grace through faith

  24. Amen! Faith without Works is DEAD. Last August I went to Mexico to build a home with Project Mexico. The first day, Fr. Nicholas said Mission Work without Prayer is merely Social Work. I will never forget this.

  25. Your absolutely right brother. Its both grace and works. When I believed on the lord Jesus that was because of his message of grace that I believed in and my works was my confession of faith. That is both grace and works combined that caused me to become a new creation in Christ Jesus..

  26. Macarthur went off the deep end in his criticism of the Orthodox faith, almost to the point of heretical arrogance. In my opinion, MacArthur is showing a great deal of spiritual immaturity in the way he interprets orthodox theology.

  27. It boggles my mind that Hank Hanegraff joined the Orthodox Church, with it's extra-scriptural practices of the priesthood and praying to our fellow saints in Heaven. That said, I was just as shocked that John MacArthur could find anything wrong with the dogma that he quoted. It was (as Hank pointed out) practically lifted right from the pages of James. I hope that all of my future challenges are as easily responded to as this one was to Hank.

  28. Confusion comes in when we forget that the Bible talks of two salvations: One past and one future. The past one–when we respond to God and are regenerated, born again, pulled out of Satan's kingdom–has nothing to do with works. Our future salvation–when we are resurrected and enter into God's still-to-come Kingdom–has much to do with works. Every picture of the Judgment Seat in the New Testament shows us this. (See the goats and sheep in Matthew 25, for one example.) While Ephesians 2:8-10 speaks of initial salvation, James is speaking of future salvation. The gospel of John speaks much of initial salvation, while the other gospels speak almost exclusively of future salvation. There is such a heavy emphasis on works in those gospels that you can't miss the fact that faith without works for salvation had no part in Jesus' theology.

  29. Oh the Irony of MacArthur rejecting this formulation of the "gospel". This is, from what I can tell, the exact formulation that MacArthur proposes against Free Grace proponents.

  30. The thing about works is, if you want other people to think of you as saved, they have to see your works. It's not the works that save you, but the reality is that if you really are saved then the works that accompany salvation will invariably follow. In theory a person could perhaps be saved with only God knowing it, but that would be an exception that proves the rule. Unbelievers might not recognize your works of faith, but if there are any believers around to see it they will recognize that your works are of God if they are godly works, for the most part. And then we must remember that we must obey and please God and not men. It could be our works are of God but the world does not see it. So, whatsoever we do we must do it as unto the Lord, and not as eyeservice as menpleasers.

    Ephesians 6:
    5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters
    according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as
    unto Christ;
    6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of
    Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
    7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to
    men:
    8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same
    shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

  31. Dr. MacArthur never said that Catholisism and the Eastern Orthodox church believe the "exact" same thing. So that seems a little misleading. I also don't believe that he is distorting the truth and trying to draw people away from you. I do believe you are both good men who love the Lord. As to works, you are both right. We are indeed saved by faith alone but works are the evidence of true salvation. The Orthodox church say's our salvation comes by faith AND works so I can see why that may alarm some. It doesn't say works are manifest through our faith and salvation.  
    All that being said I can see why you might change denominations. The standard Christian church in the USA has gotten way too familiar with God. If it's the experience of reverence and understanding of holiness and majesty practiced in the Orthodox church I get it. In reality it's what's in each of our hearts that matters not what building we go to (although we should all seek out good teaching). I'm appreciate both of you.

  32. Protestants got faith alone wrong. The bible never thought solar scriptura and faith alone. Calvins pre-destination is dangerous view of salvation. The two are misled by their own strange knowledge and not truths.

  33. I feel like when it comes down to it scripture gets really confusing because of the division of beliefs. Calvinism and eastern orthodoxy. Because the scriptures explain both beliefs. You can argue both. Romans 9 paints such a clear picture for Calvinism. Many more verses really back up Calvinism. But then why would Paul use warnings like he did. Afters years of being stuck on this I had to stop studying. The holy spirit is supposed to lead us into all truth. But I'm at war with myself now

  34. Everyone claims they are keeping the scriptures in context. After years of studying myself I look to men of God for help to understand deeper and thats where all the confusion came in

  35. There are “good works”…and “dead works”…self righteousness…and humility in Christ.
    “MY sheep hear MY voice…and they follow Me”.
    The Word of God is heard and understood from/by the heart. The humble understated it simply and clearly.

  36. Jesus, Peter, James, and John preached to the Jews. The Jews rejected their king and rejected the Gospel of the kingdom. God turned his attention to the gentiles and began to withdraw the Gospel of the kingdom in the Book of Acts after the stoning of Stephen. Paul's Gospel is described as a revelation from God, a sacred secret, and a divine mystery that was NOT revealed to Peter, James, and John. Paul had to explain it to them.

    The Gospel to the Jews was faith plus works. That is why James and Hebrews is often quoted by those who believe "works" are part of the Gospel today.
    Paul's Gospel is faith apart from works. See the difference?

    Look at Galatians 2:7-9. There was two Gospels in effect until 70 A.D. or just prior to 70 A.D. Paul's Gospel is all that remains for the Church Age. Paul's Gospel wipes out the dividing lines between Jews and Gentiles that had existed and is described in the Book of Acts. Before Paul's Gospel a Gentile had to become a Jew and practice Jewish law, be circumcised, baptized in water, repent, etc.

    With Paul's Gospel there is no circumcision, no dietary laws, no water baptism, and repentance is the act of believing. The spirit does the work in the believer.

    That is why we are told to follow Paul as he follows Jesus. We do that by comparing instructions in the Bible with Paul's writings in Romans to Philemon. If instructions found in other parts of the Bible agree with Paul, then it applies spiritually to believers today. If a doctrine conflicts with Paul, then it's for the Jews.

  37. I just stumbled across a video by Jill Martin Rische regarding Hank's conversion. As most Evangelical commentary it was, in my opinion, arrogant, judgmental and lacking in any real depth. I was born Lutheran, went through fundamentalist Baptist communities, AOG, Messianic Christianity (Christian Zionism) and many lesser sect in between.  

    Something Jill's video did crystalize for me was regarding this notion of Sola Scriptura (I addressed "easy gracism" a long time ago). Sounds wonderful, but as something of an amateur Christian church historian and well aware of the splintering of the Protestant movement into thousands of sects ALL over some unique interpretation of Scripture and squabbling amounts themselves, my question to Evangelicals (a category with absolutely no definition and therefore no real existence) is: "how's that working out for you? How are you doing preserving the American culture – which is Christian or nothing – and how well are you standing as a unified bulwark against moral decay? Poland and Russia, on the other hand, seem to be doing pretty well.

  38. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 King James Version (KJV)

    4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

    4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

    5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

    Hank used to be solo scripture! The point is who decides what is essential? That's the point! Yes indeed we are saved 'TO' Good Works. Not 'BY' Good Works'!

  39. Well, guess what boys and girls club. the Calvary chapel pastors will walk away from a person with a question. All tell you. I've been in Las Vegas NV for 32 years. I went to Calvary chapel west side . Pastor John was pastor there at the time. He's with the Lord now. He was teaching on Romans 8:26. After church I asked him to show me what he meant about the verse. I couldn't see his answer from it. Anyway, I asked him, he looked at me and turned around. Walked away. to be honest, I know the truth about the so called praying in unknown tongues. This is another totally false teaching. John MacArthur tries to bring out truth. See, I know a lot about you guys. The carazmatic following was in full swing when Chuck Smith was pastor. And that false teaching was carried through his church. There is no unknown tongues prayer. It's is demonic. Make no mistake. In fact, I will never go to Calvary chapel . Nowhere. I'm for truth. Not lies. Your attitude is not nice either. God bless

  40. Protestantism is the Rotten fruit by which Satan used through Martin Luther to divide Jesus's Holy Church.

  41. I may be ignorant but I am in my middle age and never heard the gospel from the Orthodox Church nor do I ever heard their teaching except seeing them clad in beautiful long robs and glittering Churches. Do they really "go out into the world and preach the gospel" or just wait for the few who are "attracted" to them and join. However, I am confused about Mr. Hangman's defence against MaCArthur because he knows very well being a disciple of Walter Martin the categories applied to faith and works in the Evangelical Churches. Here he sounds Roman Catholic. So John is right since this was the fundamental salvational doctrine that brought about the reformation.

  42. I'm afraid this video is focused on distracting people from doing God's will (telling as many people about the Gospel (Jesus died and rose again to save us from eternal damnation) so their soul can be saved before the final judgement)). My reason for thinking this: the video ignites a debate to determine which Christian movement is the "best". The comments are prove of that. I see people saying "this movement is true", "no, that movement is true", and I wonder, what good comes out of this? Is this why God called us to Him? Is this what will save peoples' souls? Or do you desperately want to prove your religion is the "right" one because deep down you do not really believe you are saved? Are we following Jesus just to save our own soul? Now, how does that make us look?

    (A side note: when we are testing if a pastor is indeed serving the one and only true God in heaven, does the fact that you enjoyed many days playing golf with him really play a role? As far as I know, many people who do not in any way follow Jesus, love playing golf. Is the fact that someone plays golf really proof they are a child of our God in heaven? And, how trustworthy is someone who calls someone "the nicest person you'll meet in the world"? Is that "love"? When you think about how deceivers talk, do they use harsh language to attract people or do they say pretty, seemingly loving and true words?)

    Since when did following Jesus become about Christian movements? Did the first disciples of Jesus debate about their personal Christian current they were into? No, these different currents were invented from the first centuries after Jesus to create division and distraction from our true mission (again: telling people about the Gospel). Furthermore, the movements want to place individuals above God (that's why they're called "CALVINism", "LUTHERianism", "CONSTANTINism", literally named after the individuals that came up with distracting theologies).

    I pray people stop loving religious movements and pastors more than our Father in heaven and Jesus His son. I know, that is a hard thing to hear. But if you feel offended by my last statement, ask yourself why. Where does your priority lie? Is it defending your church, your religious movement? Or are you defending the Gospel and the Lord most high in Heaven? If it's the first, do you in any way think you are idolizing your preferred Christian current? Remember, idolizing means loving something, anything more than our God in heaven. If you say that Jesus is living in your heart, than act like it. Read God's word, trust in Him, do not believe a pastor over God's word.

    Imagine, in the moment that Jesus comes back on earth, you are debating with a (fellow?) Christian that your current is better than his/hers. How will that moment feel? Will Jesus say "well done, my good and faithful child". Will He say "thank you for debating about religious movements all your life, you saved souls with it". Do you honestly, truly believe debating about Christian currents will save souls? If yes, do you really understand what it means to spread the Gospel? If no, is it really worth the precious time God is giving us on this earth?

    The reason I'm saying this is because I feel saddened at reading many comments to this video. I'm saddened out of true love for my brothers and sisters. I'm saddened that people who are calling themselves Christians are debating to determine which current we are supposed to follow instead of using the limited time to tell people about Jesus' love and sacrifice for us. Are we following a religious movement or are we following Jesus the Messiah? If it truly is the last, why does it matter so much to many people which religious social club they are part of? Since when did we stop being one body of Jesus Christ? How can the body of Jesus Christ (that's the church, it never was a physical church building) work together when it is not in union because of constant debating about which church movement to be part of? Please, set your personal debates aside so you can truly serve as a child of God (spreading the Gospel!).

    I pray God will open the eyes of your heart to see what mission He truly has for you. God bless!

  43. John was absolutely right about grace alone saves, but he also teaches the lie that if you take the mark of the beast you can still be saved.

  44. The righteousness of God is faith in Jesus Christ which saves us. Romans 3:22 and Romans 10:3. We can not earn righteous by works but only by placing our faith in Christ. If we could work our way to Gods righteous standard in order to be justified in His sight then that means that Christ died for nothing because that would mean that we can make it to heaven on our own which we know is heresy. We broke Gods moral law. Jesus paid our fine. Trust in the finished work on the cross for righteousness, not what you do according to Ephesians 2:8-9 and Philippians 3:5-9. James is speaking about how we can test our faith is genuine by seeing if we are producing fruit (works) but we are not saved by our works because our good deeds could never earn our way to Heaven. The punishment for sin is Hell and only Jesus death on the cross satisfies as atonement for sin. By His Blood we are saved!!!

  45. This man is correct..
    Paul talks about "the faith of Christ" (Gal 2.20, Phil 3.9)..
    Christ's faith didn't stand alone. His FAITH initiated the greatest WORK of all..

    Christ's FAITH caused Him to step down from heaven and accomplish the greatest WORK of all..

    Christ understood 'faith without works is dead'…

  46. With all respect and lovingly in our Messiah Jesus and only by his grace I wonder: Abraham was born again before believing in YHWH? What work can I do to be born again? Which of my works proves that I was born again? If Abraham had been born again, why did he have to be circumcised?
    If faith is the proof of what can not be seen, how do I pretend to demonstrate it with what is seen as the works are?

  47. Just explore the scriptures and discover how many times Jesus makes reference to "your works." Then decide.

  48. "John MacArthur is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet." Probably true, at least in his relations with other celebrities. I'm sure he's a fun golf partner when he thinks he may be able to derive some benefit from camaraderie with an influential person. Don't be persuaded by flattery, Hank. Niceness is not a fruit of the Spirit, kindness is. You need to look into the manner in which he treats those beneath him, not those from whom he thinks his relationship will give him a personal benefit. The way he treats those beneath him, e.g., students and faculty at TMS, should be the judge of MacArthur. Look into what the regional accrediting body, an independent source, says of that before you consider MacArthur a friend or a brother.

  49. A Faith that saves will work. But if we can add anything to "Faith" to earn or deserve salvation, it is no LONGER Faith. Our faith and confidence is in Christ's WORK not our own. Very important distinctions.

  50. Paul the apostle spent many years in Greece teaching them as much as he could , the Greeks have a Christian advantage over other nations as they not only have the bible but they own scriptures that was not permitted in the 1611 bible the one we all read.
    Every year for Easter and passover in Jerusalem a miracle happens where the holy fire is lit without any human interferance this fire is then carried around too worshippers if the Greek Orthodox domination was practicing its denomination incorrectly why does God perform this miracle every year for the Greek priests performing the service.

    If i wanted to become a Hindu i wouldnt go looking for answers in Sweden would i , i would go to India , just like Christianity i would turn too the Greeks even though i am not one myself they met Paul the apostle spoke with Paul and were blessed by Paul .

  51. There's no Christian who's religion is more full of error than a modern Protestant. Becoming Orthodox is the best thing that can happen to a Christian other than becoming Catholic.

    I used to be an Evangelical Christian, I thank God that he opened my eyes to the errors I was taught and brought me to the ancient faith he gave to the Apostles.

    I pray that Christ will open the eyes of the Protestants to their error, and that he will bring unity to all Christians East and West.

  52. James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone".

    According to John MacArthur, Saint James believed in a false Christianity.

    John MacArthur teaches a lot of things that are completely false and easily shown to be so, the man is not very smart.

  53. Hank gets a few things wrong about the Orthodox Church

    1. Celibacy is required to be a Bishop, it is also required if you enter the priesthood unmarried. Furthermore, it has always been the tradition of the church that priests if married abstain from marital relations. This tradition is almost impossible to enforce, so in the 12th century the western church required all priests to be unmarried.

    2. They believe in the immaculate conception they just don't like the terminology Immaculate Conception, they believe like the Catholic Church that the Mother of God was sinless.

    3. They do believe in ecclesiastical infallibility, which is how papal infallibility is practiced. They just don't like the terminology because they reject the ecclesiastical authority of the chair of Peter, they see it as first in honor only.

  54. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Which one is ture?

  55. Gospel of leavens in the name of Grace
    .Protestantism out of a rebellion , even a royal harlotry, has as it's fundamental Error the leaven of "Only" added to FAITH, not giving unto God what is to God Negating James (one of the three constituting the inner circle of Jesus Christ that Luther dated to call "Straw" cause it did not fit his kind of philosophy ) amounts to misinterpreting Paul cause they cannot contradict each other.
    Jesus came & took up man's sibs how then can ones individual sins be imputed upon him.without EQUATING with him.on the cross other than through Faith to which are works ,Jame's :Faith without works is dead " through keeping the two Commsndments in the spirit & truth of it, amounts to picking up ones cross daily to following him as commanded results in Daily Sacrifices which daily sacrifices would be TAKEN AWAY to the prophecy of Daniel come through the protestant philosophy in the leaves of the Faith , for faith leavened is faith corrupted to No Faith , theologically to a salvation by grace minus faith but to the Occult denotes Gnosticism Martin Luther himself off the Augustinian Order echoes St.Augustines earlier belief of Gnosticism though in the abstract reveals EGYPT unto the proohecy of spiritually Sodom & Egypt.
    Even as the errant philosophy. entering the Catholic Church, the smoke of Satan , as the trojan horse off late through the lines of Swiss based Gallen gang, .leading to the prophesied Apostasy.
    To this the ex-cimmunucatiin.of QE1 by Pope St.Pius V prophetic to the source of the falling away from the faith causing tbe Apostasy .
    Again the appearance of Our Lady at Medjuorge specifically at St.Jamea Church concerns the said Apostasy through violation of the book of James.

  56. Catholicism does not subscribe to such "dogmas as limbo and celibacy." We should understand each other and their positions clearly so that we are not guilty of misrepresenting the other.

  57. Has Mr Hanegraff ever read the Catechism of the Catholic church? Protestants get justification, redemption and sanctification confused. I would love to see him debate Jimmy Aiken- all the heresies in the early church originated in the Eastern church- Rome had the final say to define dogma and to clarify authentic Christian belief. I used to listen to the "Bible answer man" before I came home to Rome. It's so good to be home!

  58. Wow, faith without works is dead, so If you say you have faith, and don't live or try to live a Holly life as Jesus did, then your faith is dead, pointless !! I don't know you, but Macarthur has fallen away !! I won't even mention the false teachers he shares platforms with, but why don't you ask him, how or what injected into his mind that , if someone takes the mark of the beast, they can still be saved according to him ?? on or approx 10-10-2014, but I'm sure can probably google if I got date wrong

  59. I think I come down more, doctrinally, on the side of John MacArthur but I appreciate your humble and heartfelt response, brother to brother.

    This is the way we should discuss our differences. Thank you for providing your good example, brother Hank.

  60. So you did convert to Orthodoxy? AND you reject faith alone? Sorry but John is right. That is not the gospel. James is not answering the question of justification but HOW WE can KNOW if someone is justified. You're offering the same arguments from James and others that Rome offers. Yes, it is from James and yes you quoted it correctly, but you have not interpreted it correctly. James is trying to answer a different question than Paul is. James is answering the question of HOW WE CAN KNOW if someone is justified. The answer is if someone is truly justified we can see the fruits or works. I would read RC Sproul's "Faith Alone" for a scholarly treatment. Very disappointed to find this out about CRI.

  61. You guys know as well as I do a true Christian who has been saved from condemnation of sin by the shed blood of the cross of Christ still has free choice in life. He is free to join any church he wishes (or none at all) even if it is filled with heresies, doctrines of men and the devil. Heck if you have looked around you know people that have actually found true salvation, forgiveness of sins by Christ in spite of exposure to a abhorrent religion or quasi Christian cult; a virtual miracle. The important fact is that the anointing of God for a preacher is granted by God (not man) and is subject to revocation by God. Find this in the bible: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". Never forget so-called "priests" and "preachers" are only flawed sinful men like you and I.

  62. Seventh-day Adventist for 30 year- out of confusion and at peace in the church Christ built – my new medicine- the one holy catholic apostolic church- Holy Orthodox Church against which the gates of hell cannot prevail!

  63. I’d love for someone to show me where placing a cloth on the head for confirmation is in the Bible?
    If it isn’t, then it is prescribed by man and should be abandoned

  64. I truly appreciate this video Hank. There’s nothing like hearing about an issue straight from the source. That was wrong for John to call you out like he did. He should’ve reached out to you instead for insight and clarity. Thanks for demonstrating what a Christ-like attitude really is. ❤️

  65. This terrible debate only happens in protestant circles. Trying to reduce salvation into formulas. Salvation is a mystery. This Obsessiveness with doing the bare minimum to "get in" to heaven Like it's another earthly examination we're just trying to hit the 51% mark. Drowning in our sins, we claim to have faith. Glory to your forebearance Lord! Return to the Orthodox Church so you may be healed.

  66. You must be born again!!!!! No one can enter the kingdom unless they are born of God. (The Holy Spirit) No Holy Spirit, no salvation. You cannot be born again without it. That is the new life in Christ. The old life passes away.

  67. Thank you, Hank. Great explanation of the age old debate between Faith vs Works and great illustration of love towards another of the body of Christ.

  68. Come on Hank, don't pussyfoot around this bully because in some meaningful respects that's what he is. If John's ministry is calling the 300 million strong orthodox to be cursed not joined. If his extreme Calvinistic views are preaching a God who creates automatons who he then blesses or dooms to everlasting destruction for his own "pleasure" with the majority of them being in the latter, then don't soft punch back or butter him up. Call a spade a spade and who cares if he is the nicest guy you'll ever meet.

  69. John MacAuthur is not a humble man. He has come out with a slew of onslaughts against the Real Presence Doctrine of the Eucharist and doctrines which were part of the early Church from the earliest days of Christianity. Hank Hanegraeff on the other hand is a humble godly man and a well-learned man at that. He returned home to the ancient Christian faith as I did a year ago when I converted to Catholicism. No Protestant would have a Bible without the Catholic/Orthodox Church who canonized it. So those Protestants who want to carry on about how they are right, and Catholics and Orthodox Christians are wrong, read the Church Fathers and secular sources which tell who started the Catholic/Orthodox Church, Jesus and His Original Apostles

  70. MacArthur is always demonizing a religion he doesn't believe in. He claims Muslims want to slaughter all Christians on the arrival of the Mahdi. I have never read this in the Koran or heard it said by a Muslim.

  71. I was in the EOC for a good number of years. Do you Hank, tell people the teaching of EOC that after death a person must pass a 'test' at various 'toll booths' in order to actually get to heaven? Sure, you can honestly say that the EOC doesn't teach purgatory, but there's absolutely NO DIFFERENCE when they are teaching 'toll booths ' nonsense. I was never so relieved as when I got out of the EOC and back to Bible-believing Protestantism. I'm praying that your eyes will be opened.

  72. It doesn't matter what so-called religion or so-called denomination one belongs to. There are rituals. There are "public demonstrations" of the respective faith one adheres to. I am a born-again follower of Jesus. I can do without rituals and idolatry

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