Education Department Appointments, Legislation | The Line


>>IT WAS RIGHT ABOUT THIS
TIME LAST WEEK WHEN GOVERNOR MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM
ANNOUNCED HER PICK FOR SECRETARY OF EDUCATION.
WE HAVE HAD A WEEK TO LEARN MORE ABOUT SECRETARY DESIGNATE
KAREN TRUJILLO AND HER TEAM. WE’LL GET INTO THAT IN A
SECOND. THE LINE PANELISTS ARE READY
TO DISCUSS THOSE APPOINTMENTS AS WELL AS SENATE BILL ONE,
ALREADY PASSED OUT OF THE SENATE EDUCATION COMMITTEE NOT
WITHOUT SOME CHANGES. WE TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
WE WILL GET INTO THAT SHORTLY, BUT LET’S FIND OUT WHO IS WITH
ME THIS WEEK. DEDE FELDMAN, A FORMER STATE
SENATOR AND AUTHOR OF THE BOOK, A BETTER WAY FORWARD
GRASS ROOTS SOLUTIONS FOR NEW MEXICO.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT BOOK. DIANE SNYDER, TWO TERM STATE
SENATOR REPRESENTING THE 15TH DISTRICT HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE.
HARRY VAN BUREN IS WITH US, PROFESSOR IN THE ANDERSON
SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT AT UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO.
FOR THE FIRST TIME HERE WE WELCOME ED PEREA, A LAWYER,
PUBLIC SAFETY EXPERT AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT CENTER
FOR LAW ON POLICY AND PUBLIC SAFETY LLC.
WELCOME AND TO YOU ALL.>>SO MUCH TO GET INTO.
LET’S START WITH NEW LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, DEDE START WITH YOU.
NEWS BROKE AS WE WERE TAPING LAST WEEK, ABOUT MS. TRUJILLO.
WE KNOW NOW A BIT ABOUT HER TEAM AS WELL.
YOUR TOP LINE TAKE AWAY FROM THE APPOINTMENTS RIGHT OFF THE
BAT FOR DR. TRUJILLO.>>DR. TRUJILLO AND HER TEAM
VERY IMPRESSIVE. VERY NEW MEXICAN.
VERY EXPERIENCED IN THE TRENCHES AND I AM IMPRESSED
WITH THE FACT THAT SHE IS A RESEARCHER AS WELL.
AND HAS BEEN WORKING ON INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
TEACHERS IN THE PIPELINE WHICH WE NOW HAVE A TEACHER
SHORTAGE. SO, I JUST REALLY LOVE THE
TEAM APPROACH AND THE HOLISTIC APPROACH.
I THINK THE FIRST WORDS PRACTICALLY OUT OF HER MOUTH
WERE, I AM GOING TO WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE HUMAN
SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THE CYFD, IN A RECOGNITION THAT POVERTY
AND OTHER SOCIAL FACTORS REALLY IMPACT HOW A CHILD
PERFORMS IN SCHOOL. SO, I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS
HOLISTIC KIND OF WRAP-AROUND APPROACH.
SHE ALSO IMMEDIATELY MENTIONED MORE NURSES IN THE SCHOOLS,
MORE COUNSELORS. AND OF COURSE WE ARE WORKING
UNDER A MANDATE FROM THE COURTS THAT SAYS LOW INCOME
STUDENTS AND MINORITY STUDENTS ARE THE ONES THAT WE
PARTICULARLY NEED TO FOCUS ON. LOOKS LIKE THE FOCUS IS GOING
TO BE SQUARELY THERE.>>ED INTERESTING, THAT DEDE
MENTIONED OUT OF STATE VERSUS INSTATE BUT EVEN INSTATE WE
HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE SOUTH, SOME FROM THE LOS
ALAMOS, SOME ALBUQUERQUE, KIND OF SPREAD ALL OVER THE STATE.
IS THAT IMPACTFUL? DOES THAT MEAN SOMETHING?
>>I THINK THAT IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE TEAM.
IT IS VERY BROAD, BROAD EXPERIENCE, DIVERSE
EXPERIENCE, IN-CLASSROOM, ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE, ALL
THAT IS POWERFUL AND I THINK THE TEACHERS OUT THERE — MY
DAUGHTER IS A MIDDLE SCHOOLTEACHER AND SHE HAD
COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AND THEY WANT TO FEEL THEY HAVE SOMEONE
ON THEIR SIDE, SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM, WHO UNDERSTANDS
WHAT THEY GO THROUGH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
WITH THIS TEAM, THAT OFFERS THAT BROAD PERSPECTIVE, I
THINK, THAT IS SO IMPORTANT AT LEAST TO THE PERCEPTION OF
TEACHERS OUT THERE, THERE IS SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT
THEY ARE DOING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
>>DIANE, WE HAVE TWO FOLKS ON THE TEAM, TWO OUT OF THE FIVE
OR FOUR, THERE IS A FIFTH FROM SAN FRANCISCO, CHARTER SCHOOL
REPRESENTATION. HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT TO HAVE
FOLKS LOOKING OUT FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS LITERALLY AT THE TOP
WHERE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, NOT LATER BUT IN
REALTIME.>>I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE IS, I THINK IT GARNERS
MORE SUPPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE TRUE
CHARTER SCHOOL ADVOCATES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
A TINY BIT DEFENSIVE AND CONCERNED, MORE CONCERNED ALL
THE TIME THAN HOPEFULLY THEY NEED TO BE, SO, I THINK MOVING
THEM FORWARD, MAKING SURE, BECAUSE OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS,
THE ONES THAT ARE GOOD ARE JUST INCREDIBLE.
THE ONES THAT ARE NOT, ARE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THEY
HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE TO TAKE WHAT IS
GOOD AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THE OTHERS.
OR, IF IT IS NOT GOOD, THEN BITE THE BULLET AND SAY THIS
IS NOT WORKING. BUT, I DON’T THINK THEY COME
WITH A BIAS. I DON’T SEE A BIAS AGAINST
CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THIS TEAM.>>SOMETHING BUILT IN, SO TO
SPEAK.>>RIGHT.
I LIKE THE FACT THEY HAVE COME WITH NATIVE AMERICAN
EXPERIENCE, I THINK THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU
THINK OF OUR POPULATION. I HAD TO CHUCKLE.
I AM SO THRILLED, AS EVERYONE, WE HAVE ALL SAID THAT, THAT
THEY ARE FROM NEW MEXICO, HAVE CLASSROOM EXPERIENCE, THEY
KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT THERE IS THAT DEVIL IN THE
BACK OF MY HEAD, GOING, YEAH, BUT IF THEY ARE ALL FROM NEW
MEXICO, ALL THEY KNOW IS NEW MEXICO, WHO IS GOING TO REACH
OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE OTHER AREAS?
SO, THAT LITTLE DEVIL IS SITTING THERE DOING THAT BUT
THEN I CONSOLE MYSELF WITH THE FACT THAT DR. TRUJILLO IS A
RESEARCHER, SO, I THINK SHE IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND THAT NEW MEXICO CAN BORROW
WHAT IS GOOD.>>THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
I HADN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
HARRY, ONE OF THE PEOPLE GWYNN PEREA, SHE IS A VETERAN OF
EDUCATION SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY ENGINEERING AND MATH.
MOST RECENTLY OVERSAW A K THROUGH 12 PROGRAM FOR THE LOS
ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY FOUNDATION.
THAT IS AN INTERESTING ANGLE.>>I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A
REAL FOCUS ON STEM EDUCATION GIVEN IMPORTANCE OF THE LABS
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS LIKE THE SPACE PORT FOR NEW
MEXICO. SO, IT IS REALLY GOOD TO HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO IS FOCUSING ON STEM.
THAT SAID, WE ALSO HAVE TO FOCUS ON ALL THE OTHER THINGS
AND READING CONTINUES TO BE A PERSISTENT ISSUE IN NEW MEXICO
SCHOOLS.>>WE’LL TALK ABOUT NUTS AND
BOLTS OF, THIS ED. WE HAVE A K THROUGH FIVE
SCHEME, I USE THAT WORD NOT LIKE IT IS A DARK THING, BUT
JUST TO DESCRIBE IT, AS OPPOSED TO WE HAVE JUST COME
OUT OF EIGHT YEARS TALKING ABOUT K THROUGH THREE.
THERE IS A BIG HANG UP ON THIRD GRADE PROFICIENCY WHICH
WAS JUSTIFIED CERTAINLY. DOES THIS FEEL LIKE A MORE
HOLISTIC APPROACH TALKING ABOUT K THROUGH FIVE AND ALL
THE THINGS WE ARE WRAPPING INTO IT WITH THE TEAM?
>>I THINK SO. JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THEIR
FOCUS ON K 5, SOME OF THE ITEMS COMING OUT OF THAT BILL,
REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE AT RISK STUDENTS, WITH GREATER NEED
AND THEY ARE LAYING OUT POSSIBLE GRANTS IN PLACE SO
THAT SCHOOLS CAN APPLY FOR THAT, THOSE SCHOOLS THAT FEEL
THEY HAVE THE GREATEST NEED. THERE ARE THINGS THAT ADDRESS
ADDITIONAL SCHOOL DAYS, ENHANCEMENT, IN ORDER TO
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE MOST IN NEED.
THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD COMING OUT OF IT AND FORESIGHT IN
THIS FOCUS AND THIS PHILOSOPHY.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT OUT THERE. DEVIL
IS IN THE DETAILS.>>ONE THING WE DID KNOW
HOWEVER IS THAT THE A THROUGH F GRADING SYSTEM IS GONE.
ARE YOU HAPPY ABOUT THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?
>>IT IS ABOUT TIME A THROUGH F SYSTEM IS GONE.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY CONCERN AS AN EDUCATOR TO CATEGORIZE
SCHOOLS AS AN A SCHOOL OR F SCHOOL.
WE FORGET ABOUT THE STUDENTS WHO ARE IN THE SCHOOL.
YOU CAN BE THE BEST STUDENT AT AN F SCHOOL AND IT COMES WITH
THAT STIGMA THAT YOU ARE FROM AN F SCHOOL OR A LOWER END OF
THE A SCHOOL, YOU GET THE BENEFITS OF THAT SCHOOL.
IT WAS ULTIMATELY UNFAIR TO STUDENTS.
>>INTERESTING POINT. I ASKED ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS
EARLIER, WITH PART OF THE HV1 DISCUSSION HAS BEEN REMOVAL OR
HOW TO DO THE CAP THAT WAS PROPOSED OUT THERE.
AND WHICH WOULD ALLOW A LITTLE MORE THAN 1000 STUDENTS TO
COME IN ANY CALENDAR YEAR. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THAT
ONE? OF COURSE THEY ARE STILL UNDER
NEGOTIATION, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE OF THAT?
>>IT IS WHAT I CALL A THROW-AWAY PIECE IN A BILL.
IT’S FOR THE OPPONENTS WHO VERY VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED IT.
OKAY, WE’LL AMEND THAT OUT. AND MAYBE THAT IS MY
CYNICISM –>>CALL IT EXPERIENCE.
>>BUT IT COULD BE A THROW-AWAY.
THERE IS A VERY STRONG CHARTER SCHOOL SUPPORT AND I THINK
WITH, AS WE MENTIONED, THE LEADERSHIP IN THE DEPARTMENT
NOW, WE CAN SEE THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE AND MANAGE
THAT ISSUE SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CAP OF 1000 ADDITIONAL
STUDENTS. WHAT IF YOU HAVE 1,001, WHAT
DO YOU DO? IF YOU PUT IT IN A STATUTE,
YOU’RE LOOKED IN. YOU CAN — THE DEPARTMENT
COULD SET THAT AS A POLICY BUT YOU DON’T HAVE TO HAVE IT IN A
STATUTE.>>I HAVE TO IMAGINE THIS IS
PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES
WITH THIS SITUATION, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE SPECTRUM OF
THE CAP ON MONEY FOR SMALL SCHOOLS AND THAT SEEMS MORE
DIFFICULT THAN AN ACTUAL NUMBER FOR STUDENTS.
WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE AWAY? THESE ARE STILL GOING SO —
>>THIS IS ONE OF THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS, ONE OF THE
DETAILS, AND WE HAVE HAD THE REVERSE PHILOSOPHY TOO, WHERE
THE URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE SAID, WE NEED MORE MONEY
PER PUPIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS THAT RURAL
SCHOOLS DON’T HAVE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A
BALANCE IN HERE BUT MAIN THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS
COURT DECISION AND WITH THE GOVERNOR’S HUGE INITIATIVE ON
EDUCATION, 500 MILLION-DOLLARS ADDITIONAL FOR EDUCATION, 3/5
OF THE LFC BUDGET IS FOR EDUCATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE
VERY CAREFUL OVERSIGHT OF THAT AND YOU HAVE TO PLAN ON HOW
THAT REALLY WILL BE THE BIGGEST BANG THE BUCK AND THIS
NEW TEAM GIVES ME CONFIDENCE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE, BOBROFF AND
SANDOVAL, WERE THE FOUNDERS OF SOME OF THE MOST INNOVATIVE
CHARTER SCHOOLS IN NEW MEXICO, THE SOUTH VALLEY ACADEMY AND
NACA OR NATIVE AMERICAN SCHOOLS, THAT SAYS TO ME THAT
SOME OF THOSE INNOVATIVE IDEAS COMING FROM CHARTER SCHOOLS TO
ADDRESS AT-RISK STUDENTS ARE GOING TO COME UP AND BE IN THE
PUBLIC SCHOOLS THEMSELVES. AND THAT WILL TRULY BE THE
MOON SHOT.>>THAT IS INTERESTING.
>>HARRY, INTERESTINGLY, OF COURSE, SENATE FINANCE
COMMITTEE IS THE NEXT STEP. DEDE MENTIONED MONEY.
WE HAVE A PRICE TAG FROM 290 TO 423 MILLION, BIG GAG
FACTOR, SOMEHOW, BUT I THINK WHAT DEDE IS TRYING TO SAY IF
WE CAN MAKE A COST BENEFIT SORT OF A CASE HERE, WE CAN
GET TO SOME APPROVAL IN THIS COMMITTEE.
YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY?
>>THERE IS OTHER THINGS GOING ON, SENATORS LOOKING AT THE
TAX SYSTEM AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH MORE STABLE BASE FOR
THAT, I THINK, IS INTERESTING IN THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK THE CRITICAL QUESTION IS GOING TO BE GIVEN THAT NEW
MEXICO SCHOOLS HAVE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS BEEN NEAR
THE BOTTOM NATIONALLY, HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THE REAL
BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS. SO THERE IS A LOT OF
DISCUSSION OF DROPPING PARCC, OR DROPPING OTHER SYSTEMS.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE GOOD IDEAS, BUT NOW DEMOCRATS REALLY OWN
THIS ISSUE. THEY HAVE TO SHOW WHAT
DEMOCRATIC APPROACH TO ACCOUNTABILITY LOOKS LIKE,
BOTH AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL AND THEN AT THE TEACHER LEVEL.
THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OF THINGS LIKE HAVING SOME SORT
OF DASHBOARD AND THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD BUT IT HAS TO BE
USEFUL TO PARENTS, USEFUL TO COMMUNITIES, USEFUL TO THE
LEGISLATURE, SO, THIS IS WHERE, I THINK, THE RUBBER
HITS THE ROAD. COST IS EASY TO QUANTIFY.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT.
HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS?
>>EXPECTATIONS. ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE ON THAT TOPIC, BUT MUCH MORE
THIS WEEK HERE ON THE LINE INCLUDING A LOOK AT TWO BILLS
DEALING WITH DIFFICULT END OF LIFE DECISIONS.

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