City Council – October 3, 2019 – Part 1 of 2


» [ PLEASE STANDBY FOR CAPTIONS] » » CHAIR MCMAHON:
» MAYOR TORY, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WISH TO ADDRESS COUNCIL AT
THIS TIME? » SPEA » MAYOR TORY: THANK YOU .
I CIRCULATED IT SO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT
FOR THEMSELVES BUT I JUST WANTED TO FORMALLY CONFIRM MY RECEIPT
OF A LETTER FROM TODD SMITH, THE MINISTER OF CHILDREN AND
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SECURITY ANDFSERVICE SERVICE S,S THAT
PERTAINS TO A MATTER WE WERE GOING TO DEAL WITH TODAY .
DEPUTY MAYOR THOMPSON WILL CONSIDER IT TODAY.
IT COMES AS GOOD NEWS . THEY HAVE RECONSIDERED THE
DECISION THEY MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE TRANSITION CHILD BENEFIT
WHICH IS WHICH WE MADE REPRESENT ATIONS TO THEM THAT THE REMOVAL
OF THIS BENEFIT WAS GOING TO BE VERY BAD FOR THE FAMILIES WHO
RELYIED ON IT, CHILDREN IN PARTICULAR .
TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS GOING TO PUT GREAT STRES ON OUR STRSZ
STRESS WHERE WE FELT OUR OWN HOUSEING SHELTDER AND EE INGING
SHELTER AND SOCIAL SERVICE SUPPORT SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THEM
LEAVING THIS FIELD. THEY RECONSIDERED THAT AND ARE
GOING TO LEAVE THAT BAEN IN BENEFIT IN PLACE .
I THINK JUST AS WE WERE CRITICAL WHEN THEY MAKE A DECISION THAT
WE THINK IS WRONG WE SHOULD BE POSITIVE IN SAYING THAT THIS WAS
THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO RE CONSIDER AND TO LEAVE THIS
BENEFIT IN PLACE FOR THE FAMILIES WHO RELY ON IT,
ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO THE STABILITY OF THEIR HOUSING.
I HAVE ALSO COMMENTED ON OUR BE HALF JUST TO SAY THAT AS THEY —
THE LETTER MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CONTINUE
ING AS WE KNOW WITH THE REVIEW OF SOCIAL ASSISTANCE, ZENLY, LY
GENERALLY ISSUES AND THEY LLY, AND WE HOPE THEY WILL CONSIDER
FAVORABLY THE FUNCTION WHETHER THERE’S A DIFFERENT FORM OF IT
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
WE UNDERLINED I GUESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PARTICULAR
KIND OF BENEFIT FOR THESE PARTICULAR FAMILIES AND THESE
PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES . BUT MAIN PURPOSE IS TO BRING TO
YOUR ATTENTION THIS LETTER WHICH I HAVE CIRCULATED TO YOU, TO
YOUR OFFICES THIS MORNING AND TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE GOVERNMENT
OF ONTARIO FOR REASONS TO TH LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS
EXPRESSED BY THIS MAYOR AND THIS MUNICIPALITY AND OTHER CITIES
ACROSS AN TORY OWE ONTARIO AND IT’S GOING TO PROVIDE THEM WITH
SOME DEGREE OF RELIEF . EVEN THOUGH WE WERE PREPARED TO
TAKE STEPS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THEY DIDN’T SUFFER I THINK
IT’S BETTER THAT THINGS SHOULD REMAIN AS THEY ARE AND THAT’S
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS THEY GO FORWARD.
I JUST WANT WANTED TO DRAW THAT TO EVERYONE’S TAEK ATTENTION AND
MAKE SURE THEY GOT A COPY OF THAT LETTER.
DEPUTY MAYOR THOMPSON WILL DEAL WITH THE MATTER THAT WAS IN
FRONT OF US THIS MORNING WHICH IS NO LONGER NECESSARY TO DO .
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER . » THANK YOU .
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WE WILL NOW REVIEW AND CONFIRM THE ORDER MAY
BE PAPER . THERE ARE 49 ITEMS LEFT ON THE
AGENDA INCLUDING 29 MEMBER MOTIONS .
YESTERDAY COUNCIL DECIDED TO CONSIDER ITEM PH 8.1 ON THE RE
VIEW OF ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AT TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSEING .
UPDATE ON MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADE PROCESSES FOR ELECTRICAL
SERVICES AS THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING .
COUNCIL ALWAYS ALSO TIMED ED ITEM EX 8.9 ON THE ELIMINATION
OF THE TRANSITION CHILD BENEFIT AS THE FIRST ITEM AFTER MEMBER
MOTIONS THIS AFTERNOON . HOWEVER, IN LIGHT OF THE MAYOR’S
ANNOUNCEMENT THIS MORNING I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHAIR OF
ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PLACEING A
MOTION TO RECEIVE THAT ITEM PER INFORMATION .
CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER MEMBER MOTIONS AT 2:00 P.M.
I WILL NOW TAKE THE RELEASE OF HOLDS .
PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME UNDER REQUEST TO QUESTION STAFF .
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON . THOFRN THOFRN THANK YO
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAME SPEAKER AND
GOOD MORNING. IN LIGHT OF THE MAYOR’S POSITIVE
COMMENTS AND THE DIRECTION OF THE PROVINCE AND THE MINISTER, I
WOULD LIKE AT THIS TIME TO PLACE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL
RECEIVE THE IETEM FOR INFORMATION AND THAT ITEM IS EX
8, HELPING RESIDENTS IMPACTED BY THE ELIMINATION OF THE
TRANSITION CHILD CARE BENEFIT . I DON’T NEED TO SPEAK ANY
FURTHER MADAME SPEAKER OTHER TO THAN TO SAY THIS IS A GREAT
RELIEF. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR YOUR LOIF
LEADERSHIP ON THIS U TEMPERATURE AN ITEME THIS ITEM AND THANK THE
PREMIER AS WELL. I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH
EVERYONE AT QUEEN’S PARK AND I’M ALSO VERY PLEASED WITH THE
DISCUSSION WITH MR. WALLACE AS WELL .
THANK YOU . » THANK YOU .
SO ON THE MOTION ON PAGE 3 EX 8. 9 TO RECEIVE THE ITEM, ALL IN
FAVOR ? DEPUTY MAYOR MINNAN-WONG .
» COUNCILLOR MINNAN-WONG: THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR .
I’D LIKE TO TRY AND RELEASE THE NUMBERS FROM 48 TO 46 .
ON PAGE 4, NORTH YORK COMMUNITY COUNCIL 8.3 AND 8.4 WHICH ARE
TIED TOGETHER . THE MOTIONS ARE TO DEFER
CONSIDERATION ON BOTH ITEMS TO THE DECEMBER
18TH MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL . » OKAY .
SO ON PAGE 4 NY 8.3 MOTION TO DEFER .
ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED . NY 8.4 .
MOTION TO DEFER. ALL IN FAVOR? CARRIED .
COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK . THANK YOU, MADAME
» COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK: NY 8.1 I PREFER TO RELEASE THAT FOR
RECORDED VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE KROE COUNTED IN THE NEGATIVE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE’S A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT TO GO ALONG WITH IT .
» DO WE HAVE THE TECHNICAL AMENDMENT ? POSTPOSTIS THIS» COUNCILLOR
PASTERNAK: IS THIS ONE VOTED OR TWO? DO WE VOTE SEPARATELY ON
THE AMENDMENT OR A PACKAGE? »? »
» THE AMENDMENT IS ON THE SCREEN, NY 8.1 .
WHICH WOULD YOU LIKE A RECORDED VOTE
ON THIS ONE, COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK ON AMENDMENT? »
COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK: YES, A REPORT RECORDED VOTE ON BOTH,
PLEASE . » THANK YOU .
RECORDED VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT . RECORDED VOTE ON BOTH, PLEASE.
» THANK YOU. RECORDED VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
» THE AMENDMENT CARRIES 8- 18-1 .
» ON THE ATEMPERATURE AS AMEND ITEME ITEM AS AE MINUTE AMENDED
. RECORDED VOTE . » THE ITEM AS AMENDED IS
ADOPTED 18-1 . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU » THANK
YOU . THANK YOU .
ALL THOSE » THANK YOU .
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE ORDER PAPER ?
CARRIED . SO WE HAVE A FEW MEMBERS MOTION
MOTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AT THIS TIME .
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: OKAY .
YES, SPEAKER . THIS IS A MATTER RELATING TO
TORONTO GLOBAL, THIS COUNCIL HAD APPROVED A 5-YEAR COMMITMENT .
THOSE — THAT INFORMATION HAS TO BE
ADJUSTED BECAUSE THE PROVINCE IS ACTUALLY ADJUSTING THEIR
COMMITMENT SO WE HAVE TO DO IT TO ENSURE THAT IT — SO THE
PROVINCIAL ADJUSTMENTS . » SPEAKER: ALL .
» SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR ? CARRIED . » SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY .
» COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER .
I BELIEVE THIS IS — YES, IT IS A MATTER AND THE DEADLINE FOR
COMMENT IS URGENT . » SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED . COUNCILLOR ELOR KRES RI, YOU HAV
CRESSY, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ? » COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU,
SPEJT SPEAKER . THIS IS URGENT AS THE SUPPORT
FOR THE SETTLEMENT IS REQUIRED BEFORE A SCHEDULED HEARING ON
OCTOBER 8TH . » SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED . THANK YOU .
OKAY. SO WE’LL NOW GO TO THE TIMED ITEM .
WHICH IS PH 8.1 .
WHICH IS ON PAGE 3 . REVIEW OF ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AT
TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSEING . DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ?
WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE HERE .
OKAY . IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS CAN YOU
PLEASE PUT — IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS CAN YOU PLEASE PUT
YOUR NAME UP TO REQUEST QUESTIONS OH OF STATUE OF
LIBERTY OF STAFF . COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM .
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER IS HERE. MY FIRST IS TO TON FIRE .
CARONTO FIRE. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE FIERP FIRE
INCIDENTS FROM A CITY WIDE PERSPECTIVE AND THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE FREQUENCY OF FIRES BETWEEN TCHC MANAGED BUILDINGS
AND CONTRACTED OUT BUILDINGS ?
» THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR . THROUGH THE SPEAKER, WE’VE BEEN
MONITORING THESE NUMBERS FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS AS COUNCIL
CERTAINLY KNOWS . AS OF 2019 AND THIS HAS BEEN
CONSISTENT THROUGH 2018 AS WELL, THE NUMBER OF FIERPS FIRES THAT
TORONTO FIRE HAS RESPONDED TO IN TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING
BUILDINGS REPRESENTS 6% OF ALL FIRES THAT WE HAVE RESPONDED TO
BOTH IN 2018 AND 2019 . WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS THE
CONTRACT MANAGED BUILDINGS REPRESENT 21% OF THE 6% .
SO 21% OF THE FIRES WITHIN TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSEING
BUILDINGS THAT REPRESENT 6% OF CITY FIRES IN TOTAL OCCURRING
CONTRACT MANAGED . » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: CAN YOU
DESCRIBE YOUR EXPERIENCE RELATED TO THE VIOLATION AND FIRES FINES
IN TCHC AND CONTRACT MANAGED BUILDINGS ?
AR ARE THOSE FINES BEING PAID OUT ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, SO A COUPLE OF POINTS .
SO CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF CONVICTIOVICTIONS REGISTERED IN
2019 SO FAR, TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSEING HAS BEEN CONVICTED EDED
IN PROVINCIAL OFFENSES COURT AND FINED OVER 2000$20,00020000
$200,000. WHEN WE BROKE THAT DOWN THE
FINES FOR THE CONTRACT MANAGED BUILDINGS FOR 124,000 OPPOSED TO
76,000 FOR TCH MANAGED. WE NOTED A NUMBER OF OF OUR MOST
AGREE JUSTGREE JUST VIOLATIONS CANDID IMPACTING THE SAFETY OF
FIREFIGHTERS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO HAVE OCCURRED IN CONTRACT
MANAGED BUILDINGS . IN HENCE I APPROACHED THE NEW
PRESIDENT AND CEO KEVIN MARSHMAN THIS SUMMER AND BROUGHT THIS TO
HIS TOENGS FOR HI ATTENTION FOR HIS REVIEW .
I BELIEVE THE CEO HAS ALREADY DONE SOME ANALYSIS.
SO CERTAINLY THE OBSERVATIONS OF TORONTO FIRE IS THERE’S A
DISTINCT DIFFERENCE FOR SURE. »
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION, CAN YOU SPEAK
TO THE NUMBER AND COST OF FALSE FIRE ALARMS IN TCHC MANAGED
BUILDINGS AND TCHR CONTRACTED OUT BUILDINGS ?
» CERTAINLY. AGAIN, THROUGH THE SPEAKER FALSE
ALARMS TO BE AN ISSUE . SO IN 2019 AND THE NUMBERS ARE
VERY, VERY CONSISTENT. SO BETWEEN 2018 AND 2019
APPROXIMATELY 35 LYLY 3,# 0500 TO 4,000 FALSE FIRE ALARMS HAVE
OCCURRED IN TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING BUILDINGS .
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BREAK DOWN BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE MANAGED
BY TORONTO COMMUNE TU HOUSEING AND THOSE INGITY HOUSING AND
THOSE CONTRACT MANAGED, 27% OF THOSE FALSE ALARMS ARE OCCURRING
IN CONTACTTRACT MANAGED BUILDINGS .
THE FALSE ALARM FEES THAT I CAN TELL YOU ARE UP TO DATE AS OF
YESTERDAY WHEN WE HAD TORONTO FIRE SERVICES FINANCE CHECK.
ON AVERAGE TORN COMMUNITY HOUSE ING HAS BEEN PAYING TORONTO FIRE
APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION A YEAR OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS FOR
FALSE FIRE ALARMS . UFRMENTS
UNFORTUNATELY, COUNCILLOR, WE DON’T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BREAK
DOWN IF R THE FINE STRUCTURE BETWEEN TCH AND CONTRACT MANAGED
BUILDINGS. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: THAUK
THANK YOU . THAT’S HELPFUL.
NEXT TO MLS. IN YOUR EARLIER REPORT TO
COUNCIL ENTITLED VITAL REFERENCE APARTMENT BUILDINGS YOU
RECOMMENDED THAT BUILDING OWNERS AND OPERATORS DEVELOP AN
ELECTRICAL MAINTENANCE PLAN . YOU REFERENCEZ Z ED 4 STANDARD .
IS THAT THE STANDARD THAT MLS RECOMMENDS RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS
ING OWNER AND OPERATORS USE? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, YES,
THAT’S CORRECT . » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: BUT THAT
IS THE — AND IS TCHC MEETING THAT STANDARD RIGHT NOW ?
BECAUSE WE’RE ASKING THIS OF PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDING OWNERS
TO MEET THAT PARTICULAR STANDARD .
OR ARE THEY MEETING SOMETHING EQUIVALENT TO ?
» I’M NOT SURE ON THAT IF IT’S E GIVE LEAPT KWIQUIVALENT .
IT’S SOMETHING I HAVE TO LOOK INTO AND WORK WITH TCHC AND
METRO SAFETY AUTHORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING THE
REQUIREMENTS . » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: JUST
BECAUSE — THIS IS A THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT ISSUE .
MY NEXT QUESTION TO ELECTRICAL SAFETY AUTHORITY.
WOULD ESA RECOMMEND THAT TCHC OR THE CITY ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL
STANDARD PROGRAM FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF TCHC RESIDENTIAL
BUILDINGS ? WE’RE ASKING THIS OF PRIVATELY
OWNED BUILDINGS, SHOULD WE ADHERE TO THAT SAME STANDARD ?
» THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION . YES, IT’S THE DEFA FACTO STAN
SFARDDARD FOR MOST INDUSTRIES FOR ELECTRICAL BUILDING MATED
THANES INING MAINTENANCE. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM, THAT WAS
YOUR LAST QUESTION . NO, THAT WAS YOUR LAST TW
QUESTION. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: I WANTED
TO CLA IR FIE HE HEARD CLARIFY HE HEARD THE QUESTION .
DOES MR. SMITH HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION ? » IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT
QUESTION, MROEZ PLEASE . » COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION,
I’M SORRY . » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: WHAT
THAT STANDARD IS, THE ONE THAT’S KNOWN ASZ TRZZ TPZZ ZED WHAT
DOES IT ENTAIL? » THE DE FACTO STANDARD THAT
INDUSTRY USES TO DO SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE FOR BUILDING .
IT HAS THE REQUIREMENT FOR SWIP SWITCH OPERATION, LUBRICATION
AND CLEANING UP THE SYSTEM . » THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: YES, I
JUST WANTED TO ASK THOSE STA TISTICS THAT MR. — THAT WE GOT
FROM MR. JESSUP, THAT WAS 21% OF 6% .
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THOSE PERCENTAGES MEAN?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, COUNCIL LOR, ARE WE SPEAKING ABOUT THE
FIRES OR THE FINES? CAN YOU –» COUNCILLOR FLETCHER:
FIRES . OF ALL THE FIRES .
HOW MANY FIRES WERE THERE ALL TOGETHER? » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: FIRES.
OF ALL THE FIRES. HOW MANY FIRES WERE THERE ALL
TOGETHER? WHAT IS # % AND THEN WE CAN LOOK
AT WHAT 21%. » COUNCILLOR, ACTUAL STRUCTURE
FIRES IN 2018 TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING HAD 201 AND AS OF TODAY
IN 2019 WE’VE RESPONDED TO ACTUAL CONFIRMED STRUCTURE FAIRS
130 FIRES 130 . AGAIN, BETWEEN 2018 AND 2019
THOSE REPRESENT ABOUT 20 TO 202 22% CONSIST EBT ENLTLY O LYENTLY
OCCURRED IN THE CONTRACTED EED MANAGED BUILDING .
THE 201 AND 130 REPRESENT 6% OF ALL OF THE STRUCTURE FURS THAT
TORONTO FIRES THAT TORONTO FIRE HAS RESPONDED TO .
CITY COYE WIDE COUNSELOR IN 208 COUNCILLOR IN 2018,3,345 AND IN
202919 3,251 AS OF YESTERDAY. » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: ALL
RIGHT. THIS IS A STRANGE QUESTION .
YOU PROBABLY CAN’T ANSWER IT . BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH
LARGE APARTMENT OWNERS IN THE CITY.
THERE’S SOME LANDLORDS THAT ARE FAIRLY LARGE .
JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF FIRES BASED ON THE NUMBERS OF
UNITS THEY HAVE, RUF HAVE YOU EVER LOCKED AT THAT ED LOOKED
AT THAT ? TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING IS A
LARGE LANDLORD. I THINK IT HAS ABOUT 54,000
ACTUAL APARTMENTS OR UNITS. SO BEING SO LARGE IT’S NOT
SURPRISING THAT THERE’S THERE’S SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE.
I’M JUST INTERESTED IN OTHER LARGE PORTFOLIOS.
THERE’S PROBABLY APARTMENT BUILDING OWNERS THAT HAVE MAYBE
10,000 UNITS. SO IS THAT RATIO OF FIRES OR
FALSE ALARMS CONSISTENT WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS ?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING? WE’RE LOCKING AT RATIOS, NOTN
LOOKING AT RATIOS, NOT JUST HARD NUMBERS.
» WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN TO HAND LORD BY LANDLORD BY
LANDLORD . TORONTO XHURN COMMUNITY HOUSING
IS A LARGE LANDLORD. THE NUMBER OF FALSE A. LARLARMS
HAS BEEN CONSISTENT. THERE ISN’T A COMPARABLE LANDLORD WITH
THE SIZE OF THE PORTFOLIO . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: I
UNDERSTAND THERE’S NO COMPARABLE HAND LORD.
I’LL ASK MLS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE APARTMENTS.
WHAT IS THE NEXT LARGE LANDLORD DOWN FROM TORONTO COMMUNITY
HOUSING ? THE NUMBER OF UNITS .
» WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF LANDLORDS LONDLORD AND PROPERTY
OWNERS BUT I DON’T HAVE SPECIFICS AS TO THE COMPANY ARB.
» COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: WHO WHAT WOULD THE NEXT LARGER PORTFOLIO
BE ? » AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW SPECIFIC
WHOALLY WHO IS THE LARGEST PORTFOLIO .
WE WORK WITH EACH BUILDING . WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF GROUPS.
WE WORK WITH THE GTAA . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: YOU
DON’T ACTUALLY SAY DPSHGS X LANDLORD WHO HAS 8,000 UNITS IN
THE CITY OF TORONTO HAS THIS MANY INFRACTIONS OR THIS MANY
FIRES OR THIS MANY FALSE ALARMS, YOU HAVE NO COMPARATIVES ?
RAUGS OWE WISE RATIO WISE.
I DON’T MEAN HARD NUMBERS . » I DO NOT .
» COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: MLS DOES NOT DO THAT SFLS ?
SDMRSZ IT’S AN ANALYSIS» IT’S AN YOU ANALYSIS WE NEED TO
UNDERTAKE . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: LET’S
HAVE A LOOK AT THAT . MR. MARSHMAN, DID YOU WANT TO
COMMENT ON ANY OF THAT ? NO ?
OKAY. SO DOES TORONTO FUR HAVE FIRE
HAVE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION . YOU MUST KNOW WHEN YOU’RE GOING
BACK TO PARTICULAR LANDLORDS — I’M NOT FOING GOINGS TO SAY
GOING TO SAY ANY NAMES. I THINK THERE’S PROBABLY A COMPANY THAT
HAS 8,000, TEN 10,000 UNITS IN THE CITY AND UMPQUA VERY INTERES
UMPQUA VERY AND I’M VERY INTERESTED IF THEIR EDED IN
THEIR THEIR STATISTICS. » WE HAVEN’T DONE THAT .
WHERE WE’VE HAD CHANNELS IN THE CHANNELS HAD CHALLENGES
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM’S AREA HAS BEEN ONE OF THEM?
SAINT JAMES TOWN . WE’VE NEVER DONE AN ANALYSIS IN
TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT LANDLORDS AND VIOLATIONS.
ON A BUILDING PER BUILDING PERSPECTIVE WE COULD HOLD THAT
UP . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: I
UNDERSTAND THAT . YOU’RE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER ALL
OF TCHC UCHL. I’M GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.
THERE ARE LARGE LARD LORDS IN THE CITY.
YOU HAVE NEVER AGGREGATED THE STATISTICS FOR THEM IN THE WAY
THAT YOU HAVE FOR TCHC? » WE HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED THOO
TO DO THAT, COUNCILLOR . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: WHAT
PERCENTAGE OF THE TCHC PORTFOLIO SGLSH» THAT WA .
» KINLER, THAT WASCOUNCILLOR, THAT WAS YOUR LAST QUESTION.
THANK YOU . IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE SOME
QUIET IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. IT’S VERY NOISY .
THANK YOU . COUNCIL I LOL DAYLOR LOL DAY ER
LOR HOLYDAY . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THANK YOU
, MADAME SPEAKER. I HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION ABOUT
THIS REPORT IN THE SYSTEM. I UNDERSTAND E LEK THINK
LECTRICAL SYSTEMS ARE HAZARDOUS BECAUSE THEY ARE ELECTRICAL AND
THE REPORT DESCRIBES SOME OF THE WORK THAT IS DONE SO I SEE
INFERRED TESTING . TIGHTING AND LUBERICATEING IS
COMPLETED ON ELECTRICAL PANELS . UMPQUA WONDERINGNE
I’M WONDERING IF F TCHRC OR THE STAFF CAN TELL ME HOW THIS
RELATES TO OTHER INSPECTIO INSPECTIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENT
AND THE BUILDING . MORE SPECIFICALLY IF YOU HAVE A
ROOF THAT LEAKS ONTO AN E LEK TRAY CAL PANEL OR BASEMENT THAT
FLOODS LECTRICAL PANEL OR BASEMENT IS
THAT FLOODS THAT FLOODS THAT’S A PARTICULAR HAZARD.
IF WE’RE SENDING ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS AS STATED IN THE
REPORT ARE THEY LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT FACTORS AROUND THE E
LEKLECTRICAL SYSTEM OR IS THAT OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, YES, WHEN WE’RE DOING INSPECTIONS ON
BUILDINGS THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PANELS AND THEY WOULD SEE
IF THERE WAS WATER PENETRATION OR THINGS LIKE THAT AND THAT
WOULD BE NOTED . THEN EDD AND ANY DEFRESH SIS
WOULD BFICIENCIES WOULD BE RECTIFYIED .
HOLLYWOOD » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: HOW ABOUT
INSPECTING THE CONDITION OF THE ROOF FOR POTENTIAL TO LEAK OR
READY TO FAIL, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
IN OTHER WORDS, TRYING TO CATCH THE POTENTIAL FOR A WATER LEAK
OVER A CRITICAL AREA AHEAD OF TIME ?
I REALIZE IT MAY BE MUCH TO ASK AN ELECTRICIAN TO GET
CONSIDERATION TO THE ROOF. » CORRECT .
THE HE TREK KAL ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR WOULD NOT BE
INSPECTING A ROOF. WE HAVE PREVENN TAIFTIVE
MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS IN PLACE THROUGHOUT OUR PORTFOLIO THAT DO
DO ROOF FRPG INSPECTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE .
» COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: CAN YOU CON ARE YOU CONFIDENT IN THE
PATE MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS OR ADEQUATE ENOUGH TO GIVE
CONSIDERATIONS TO THE ELECTRICAL LEK TRIELECTRICAL HAZARDS THAT
MAY FAIL THROUGH THE PLUMINGBING SYSTEM, ROOF OR WIN DES ORDOWS
OR VANDALISM OF PEOPLE BREAKING UP COVERS OF THINGS OR WEAR AND
TEAR ON THINGS OR BROKEN OUTLETS THAT BECOME EXPOSED, SO THOSE
PHYSICAL TYPE OF THINGS? » YES, WE DO HAVE A GOOD PM
PROGRAM IN PLACE THROUGHOUT OUR PORTFOLIO TO LOOK AT THE MAJOR
SYSTEMS AS WELL AS WE DO HAVE BUILDING STAFF THAT ARE THERE IN
THE BUILDINGS ON A DAILY BASIS AND IF THEY SEE ANYTHING, YOU
KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, VANED LICH OR SOMETHING LIKDALISM OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT THEY WOULD REPORT THAT AND THEN IT WOULD BE CORRECTED .
» COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OUT OF IDENTIFY
IED HAZARDS OVER THE PAST OR INCIDENTS OR E LEKLECTRICAL
FIRES HOW MANY OF THEM MAY BE RELATED TO EXTERNAL FACTORS JUST
BEYOND THE PURE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM THAT YOU WOULD BE INSPECT
ING WITH AN ELECTRICIAN . THAT TUP OF THING WHERTYPE ORTD
TYPE OF THING WHERE WATER CAME IN AND CAUSED A CIRCUIT OR
CAUSED A FIRE BECAUSE WATER LEAKED ONTO A TRANSFORMER?
» COUNCILLOR, THROUGH THE SPEAK, SER, THAT’S NOT INFORMATION THAT
I HAVE READILY AVAILABLE BUT BE WORK WITH THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY
STAFF TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU .
» COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU FEEL
COMFORTABLE THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH SYSTEMS AND REDUNDANCY IN
THE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AND NEW MEXICOSE INSPECTIONS TO
PLACE TO COVER OFF WHERE DIFFERENT RISKS OVER LAP WITH
EACH OTHER AND RESULT IN, YOU KNOW, HE TREK CAL EBBING
ELECTRICAL ^ HAD ^ HAS HAZARDS OR FIRE HAZARDS ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, YES, WE DO.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THOSE PROCESSES AND DELIVER TO A
HIGHER STANDARD . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THANK YOU
. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR FORD . » COUNCILLOR FORD: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER . JUST TO CARRY OFF SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS HERE, SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY OF TORONTO’S POPULATION DO WE HOUSE
IN TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSING ?
» I DON’T HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE READY AVAILABLE BUT WE HAVE 11
0,000 RESIDENTS BY, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION IN THE
CITY OF TORONTO ITSELF COUNCILLOR .
» COUNCILLOR FORD: AND, YEAH, I THINK IT RANGED — I’M HEARING
DIFFERENT THINGS . MAYBE 7%, 6% .
WHAT — SO WE HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF FIRES IS 6% .
FOR TOTAL FIRE CALLS IN THE CITY OF TORONTO ?
» YES, THAT’S WHAT DEPUTY — YES .
» COUNCILLOR FORD: SO I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN MENTIONE EDED
ONE EED IN ONE OF MY COLLEAGUE’S QUESTIONS BUT WHAT IS THE BREAK
DOWN BETWEEN CONTRACT MANAGER AND TCHC MANAGE TO THOSE FIRE
CALLS? » I THINK THE — I’LL JUST —
JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I’LL LOOK AT JIM’S NOTES.
I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY IN THE 22% RANGE IN TERMS OF FIRES IN
CONTRACT MANAGED BUILD THS OF TH INGS OF THE 6%.
ROUGH LAW THE COLY THE CONTRACT MANAGED BUILD THS THE NUMBER OF
SUITING, THE NUMBER OF SUITES IS 21% .
IT’S ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT, YES . » COUNCILLOR FORD: I GUESS THE
FIRE LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDINGS, IS IT TCHC’S
RESPONSIBILITY OR IS IT CONTRACT — THE CONTRACTOR THAT TAKES
CARE OF THEM ? » ULTIMATELY IT’S TCHC’S
RESPONSIBILITY WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO FACILITATE THAT — THE
ACTUAL EXECUTION OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY THROUGH THE CON
TRACTOR. WE AS THE LANDLORD ARE ULTIMATE
LY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR CONTRACTED MANAGED
BUILDINGS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR BUILDING .
» SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR FORD, HOLD ON . IT IS VERY NOT MY NOT MY SU IN
NOT MY IS VERY NOT MY SU NOISY IN HERE, PLEASE .
COUNCILLOR KRESCRESSY . GO AHEAD .
» COUNCILLOR FORD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER .
SO FOLLOWING UP ON THE PERCENTAGE OF FIRE CALLS THAT
TORN TORONTO FIRE SERVICE RESPONDS TO, WHAT WOULD — ARE
THERE ANY BREAK DOWN IN PERCENTAGES, ARSON OR I GUESS
HUMAN CAUSED ISSUED AND STATE OF GOOD REPAIR CALLS ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, YES . SO SPECIFICALLY IN TORONTO
COMMUNITY HOUSEING, WHICH IS WHICH OPPOSES UNIQUE CHALLENGES
IN ERM THES OF TERMS OF FIRE CAUSE .
THE THREE LEADING CAUSES ARE INTENTIONALLY SET FIRES, CARE
LESS SMOKING AND UNATTENDED CANDLES WHICHES THE OPPOSITERATE
IS OPPOSITE COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY WIDE .
CERTAINLY THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE WITH
PERSONS THAT HAVE INTENTIONALLY SETTING FIRES IN THEIR BUILDINGS
. THE GOOD NEWS IS OVER THE LAST
NAU NUMBER OF YEARS WITH THE INVESTMENT COUNCIL HAS MADE AND
THE PRIORITYIES OF CHIEF PEG THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON TORONTO
COMMUNITY HOUSING THOSE ARE TREND TRENDING INING DOWNWARDS,
COUNCILLOR. SO WE ARE ABSOLUTELY SEEING A
TURN OF THE CURVE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THOSE TYPES OF FIRES
AND THE CAUSES IN THOSE BUILDINGS .
» COUNCILLOR FORD: WHAT I WANT TO — SO WE — TALKING TO THE
HOUSEING FIRED — WAS IT A FIRE LIFE SAFETY OFFICER ?
AT ONE POINT IN TIME . THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE CAUSES
OF FIRES IN THE BUILDING AND HAVING WORKING WITH TORONTO FUR
SERVICE TO KINIRE SERVICE TO KIND OF MITIGATE THESE ISSUES.
HOW MUCH HEADWAY HAS THAT VINL MADE ?
» IT’ INDIVIDUAL MADE? » IT’S NOT A YOU THINK IS L
INDIVIDUAL SINGLE INDIVIDUAL — SORRY, THROUGH THE SPEAKER .
WE HAVE THREE INSPECTORS WITHIN OUR FIRE LIFE SAFETY GROUP.
THEY ACT MUCH IN THE SAME REGARD AS THE TORONTO FIRE SERVICES
INSPECTORS WOULD DO . SO IN FACT WHEN DEPUTY — THE
DEPUTY CHIEF ALERTED ME TO HIS CONCERN IN THE CONTRACT MANAGE
EDD PORTFOLIO WE PUT A BLITZ IN PLACE IN JULY AND IDENTIFIEDY ED
IED AND INSPECTED A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AND IDENTIFIED A
NUMBER OF CONTRA VENGSS WHICH WE HAV VENGSVENTIONS THAT WE HAVE
WORKED THROUGH. BASED ON THE RESULTS IN THAT WE
ARE COMPLETED THE REST OF THE CONTRACT MANAGED EDD PORTFOLIO
IN Q4 AS A PRY OISHIE PRIORITY TO BRING THEM TO A STANDARD WE
FIND ACCEPTABLE . » COUNCILLOR FORD: IN IN THE 10
YEAR CAPITAL PLAN HAVE THOSE INSPECTORS HAD ANY KIERND KIND
OF — NOT INFLUENCE ON THE 10 YEAR CAPITAL PLAN BUT PRIORITIZE
D WHAT THEY THINK IS CRITICAL TO ADDRESS FIRST AND FOREMOST IN
THAT PLAN ? » SURE .
THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY TEAM WOULD BE WORKING NOT ONLY WITH THE
CAPITAL PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT
BUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN IT. SO HOW THAT IS MANIFESTED ITSELF
, YOU KNOW ISSUES IT IS MY, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF
OUR BUILDINGS ARE UP TO CODE . THE CODE IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO
THE DATE, THE BUILDING WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
AS A POSSESS WE ARE BRINGING ALL BUILDING UP THROUGH THIS 10 YEAR
CAPITAL PLAN TO THE MORE CURRENT STANDARDS AND IN FACT WITHIN THE
— I THINK WITHIN THE SAINT JAMES TOWN AREA WE ARE ALREADY
WORKING ON FIVE BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT AREA AND WE PROACTIVELY DID
THAT AS A RESULT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER OCCURRENCES THAT
HAPPENED IN THAT AREA WITH A PRIVATE LANDLORD .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . OKAY .
THAT’S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS . OH, COUNCILLOR AINSLEE .
» COUNCILLOR AUGIMERI: THANK YOU .
» COUNCILLOR AUGIMERI: » DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE
FIRES ARE INTENTIONALLY SET ? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER,
INTENTIONALLY SET FIRES ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF FIRES IN
TORONTO HOUSING BUILDINGS BUT I DO NOT HAVE A PERCENTAGE BREAK
DOWN COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO . UNLIKE ANY OTHER SORT OF AREA IF
THE CITY OF TORONT IN THE CITY OF TORONTO IT’S A UNIQUE PROBLEM
THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH KEVIN ON AND THE TC THSHGHC
STAFF. IT’S ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE TO THAT
BUILDING THAT IT’S A LE LEADING CAUSE OF FUR FOR THOSE BUILDINGS
INGING FOR THOSE ING CAUSE FOR THOSING CAUSE OF FIRE FOR THOSE
BUILDINGS . » IN TORONTO IS THERE ONE THAT
HAS MORE FIRES THAN ANY OTHER PART THAT WOULD BE INTENTIONALLY
SET ? SDMRSZ THROUGH THE SPEAK
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, THERE’S NO OTHER LANDLORD OR PROGRAM OR
BUILDING STOCK AUR THAT AREA THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
IDENTIFY THAT WERE WHERE INTENTIONALLY SET FIRES IS THE
LEADING CAUSE . GENERALLY IT’S UNATTENDEDING
COUPING, UNATTENDED CANDLES AND CARELESS SMEEK LESLESS SMOKING.
THIS IS A UNIQUE PROBLEM TO THAT SUBSET AND WE BROUGHT IT TO
THEIR ATTENTION. WE’VE BEEN WORKING WITH
COMMUNITY TORONTO COMMUNITY HOUSEING AND TORONTO POLICE AS
WELL. AS YOU KNOW, IT’S A CRIMINAL
OFFENSE . SO THE THREE PARTNERS HAVE BEEN
WORKING TOGETHER SUNS THIS ANALYSIS HASINCE THIS SINCE THIS
SINCE THIS ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE.
» THANK YOU. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER . JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS
AROUND ADDITIONAL COSTS . I HEARD COMMENTS MADE WITH
RESPECT TO FINES. WHEN FIRES OCCUR THERE’S
ADDITIONAL DISRUPTION SO HOW DO YOU PREPARE FOR THAT ?
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE ON A SPECIFIC FLOOR DO YOU MOVE
THE RESIDENT TO ALTHOUGH ANOTHER LOCATION, BRING BUSES IN ?
WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ELEMENTS ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR, I DON’T HAVE THE
COST NUMBER OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY, READY AVAILABLE TO
ME BUT I CAN SEFRPLY PROVIDE L CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION TO YOU. CERTAINLY WHAT WE DO DO IS IF A
FLOOR NEEDS TO BE EVACUATED IN SOME CASES THE FIRE IS CONFINED
TO THE UNIT AND THE FLOOR IS FINE SO IT’S THE SINGLE RESIDENT
THAT’S IMPACTED. IN OTHER CASES AS YOU CAN
IMAGINE IT COULD BE THE FLOOR OR MULTIPLE FLOORS AND WE WOULD
REHOUSE THOSE VAGUS INDIVIDUALS .
SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY AND EXACTLY THE PLANS IN PLACE,
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD PERHAPS START WITH BUSES, YOU KNOW ISSUE
IMMEDIATELY BUT THEN WE WOULD, IMMEDIATELY BUT THEN WE WOULD
GET THEM INTO SOME FORM OF SHE WANT SHELTER, TYPICALLY AT A
NEAR BY HOTEL . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: A NEAR
BY THOUGH HOTEL. THANK YOU . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU. OKAY .
THAT’S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS . TO SPEAK, KOIM COUNCILLOR
FLETCHER . » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: I HAVE A
MOTION, I JUST DON’T FLOW IF IT’S KNOW IF IT’S DON’T KNOW IF
IT’S READY. » SPEAKER: IS THE MOTION READY
? » COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: I HAVE
ANOTHER ONE BUT I WOUL I’LL DO IT AT COMMITTEE .
THIS IS JUST REALLY — BECAUSE TCHC HAS SO MANY APARTMENTS, 54,
55,000 UNLIKE NEW OTHER LANDLORD ANYLIKE ANY OTHER LANDLORD WE
NEED TO HAVE SOME COMPARE TOS, NOT FRERS E XAGS, XARGS XARGS
COMPARISON . NOR IF NUMBER NOT FOR THE
NUMBERS . I THINK IT’S HELPFUL TO KNOW
WITH OTHER LARGER LANDLORDS HOW THAT COMPARES .
NOBODY HAS 50 ODD THOUSAND UNITS IF H THEIR PORTFOLI IN THEIR
PORTFOLIO. SOME MAY HAVE 8, 10.
SO THAT IS OUR COMPARESON WITH PERCENTAGEISON WITH PERCENTAGES,
NOT NUMBERS . I DO THINK BECAUSE IT’S SUCH
LARGE NUMBERS IT’S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PERCENTAGES AND
SEE HOW FAR, HOW T IF TC DHSHGSH C IS SUCH AN OUT LIEUER FOR PE
ERLIER FOR PER KRN TECENTAGES BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY,
VERY LARGE NUMBER . I’M ALSO INTERESTED AND I DIDN’T
HAVE A CHANCE TO PREPARE THIS MOTION, IT CAME OUT OF ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT ARE OUR CHIEF HAS SAID, DEPUTY HAS SAID, WHICH
IS THE NUMBER OF INTENTIONALLY SET FIRES .
SO I’M GOING TO GUESS, I WOULD BE WRONG BUT I’M GOING TO GUESS
THAT THEY’RE CONCENTRATED IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY AND IN
PARTICULAR CLUSTERS OR BUILDINGS WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN A FEW
AS A RULE NER ANDVULNERABLE TENANTS .
I DON’T KNOW IF UMPQUA RIGHT I’M RIGHT.
I WILL BE ASKING THAT QUESTION AT COMMITTEE SO MR. JESSUP IS
ALWAYS SO GREAT BECAUSE HE ALWAYS PREPARES EVERYTHING YOU
HEAD OF TIME AHEAD OF TIME . I THINK IF WE KNOW THAT THEN IN
OUR TENANT’S FIRST PLAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED
AT AND BEEN CLEAR WE WANT TO ESTABLISH ACCOMPLISH IS HANDLING
VER NERABLE TENANT VUN NERABLE VU VULNERABLE TENANTS IN A
CERTAIN WAY AND HAVING A PLAN FOR VULNERABLE COMMENTS .
I TENANTS. IF THAT LEANS LINES UP WITH
BUILDING THEN WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IMPER PERPERICALLE
KNOWLEDGE. WE KNOW ONE .
COUNCILLOR WONG TOO MANY-TAM IDENTIFYIED ONE .
MAYBE THERE’S FOR MORE . THAT NEEDS TO BE A ATTENTION
CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY AND T CHC .
OBVIOUSLY IT’S NOT JUST NOT JUST NOT A NORMAL LANDLORD AND TENANT
TYPE SITUATION. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN SEE
WHERE WE HAVE ISSUES . I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE
PARTICULAR BUILDINGS WHERE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN .
SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION .
I WANT TO KNOW IF IN THE PERCENTAGE OF FIRES PER BUILDING
, PER FORTH IF TCHC IS AVERAGE OR IF TCHC IS WAY OVER OR IF TCH
C IS UNDER. BUT WE DON’T KNOW UNTIL WE KNOW
HOW THAT STACKS UP AGAINST OTHER LANDLORDS THAT HAVE A LARGE
NUMBER OF BUILDINGS. SO I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT FOR
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE DEPUTY,
MR. MARSHMAN AND EVERYTHING EVERYONE ELSE FOR THAT
INFORMATION . THANK YOU .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM .
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME
SPEAKER . I DO HAVE A MOTION TO PUT ON THE
SCREEN . IT’S THAT CITY COUNCIL AS A SOLE
SHAREHOLDER DIRECT TCHC BOARD OF DREK DORSIRECTORS TO DRT DIRECT
THE PRESIDENT AND CEO TO ADOPT NO LATER THAN MARCH 20TH 30TH,
2020 THE CANADIAN STANDARDS, MAINTENANCE OF ELECTRICAL STM
SYSTEMS OR EQUIVALENT OF AS STANDARD FOR TCHC BUILDINGS BOTH
INTERNALLY MANAGED BY TCHC AND THOSE CONTRACTED OUT.
MADAME SPEAKER, BY WAY OF JUST BACKGROUND, EARLIER THIS YEAR
CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A REPORT THAT ACTUALLY GAVE MLS THE
POWERS TO AMEND THE RENT SAFE PROGRAM AND IT’S THROUGH THE
VITAL SERVICE DISRUPTIONS IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS .
SPECIFICALLY IN THAT REPORT IT REFERENCED THIS PARTICULAR
STANDARD OF WHAT WE WANTED EDED A BUIL EDED BUILDING OWNERS,
BUILDING MANAGERS TO ACTUALLY ADHERE TO IN TERMS OF THE E WILL
LECTRICAL SYSTEM OF MAINTENANCE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS
DEVUZED WITHOUT ED VUZED WITHOU ED DEVUZED WITHOUT EDVISED
WITHOUT CONTEXT . IT COMES FROM THE CANADIAN DAN
STANDARDS ASSOCIATION DAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATIO DAN
STANDARDS ASSOCIATION STANDARDS DARDS ASSOCIATION THAT DEVELOPED
THIS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. IT’S CLEAR WHAT MAINTENANCE MEANS
UNDER THAT PARTICULAR STANDARD . IT’S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH TO ELECTRICAL MAINTENANCE .
THE GREAT THING OF IT IS THAT TC HC MANAGED BUILDINGS ALREADY
HAVE AN ELECTRICAL PROGRAM . THEY ACTUALLY ARE WORKING
TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT IS EQUIVALENT OR VERY CLOSE TO,
MAYBE NOT MEETING EVERY SINGLE STANDARD WITHIN THE CSA BUT TCHC
IS MAKING GREAT STRIDES WITH THEIR INTERNALLY MANAGED
BUILDINGS . THE CHALLENGE OF COURSE IS TCHC
EXTERNALLY THIRD PARTY CONTRACT ED OUT BUILDINGS ARE NOT ADHERED
TO THAT SAME DAN DISREGARD STANDARD .
WHEN YOU HAVE A TCHC RESIDENT YOU GET ONE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND
STANDARD IF YOU’RE LIVING WITHIN A TCHC MANAGE LD BELLED BUILDING
AND IF YOU LIVE IN A THIRD PARTY MANAGED BUILDING THAT ELECTRICAL
SYSTEM BAY MAY NOT BE AS WELL SERVICED AND MAIN TANS TANSTAIN
ED AS A TCHC MANAGED BUILDING . THERE’S A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR
US TO DETERMINE FROM THIS . IF YOU HAVE TWO STANDARDS OF
ELECTRICAL NATE MAINTENANCE WITH ONE FAMILIAR PARTICULAR LANDLORD
THAT SEEMS GROSSLY UNFAIR, NOT THE TO MENTION THE TENANTS
LIVING IN THIRD PARTY MANAGED BUILDINGS WHO DO NOT HAVE THE
SAME REGIMENT OF E TREKLECTRICAL MATE NAPS ISINTENANCE IS AT
FURTHER KWI RISK . THE PROBLEM IS THE RISK COMES
WITH SIGNIFICANT COST. THE COST WOULD BE JUST BY
EXAMPLE WAY OF EXAMPLE, WHEN 650 PARLIAMENT HAD THEIR CAT TROFK
STRAFK FAILUREASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THEIR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM WE
KNOW THAT SYSTEM WAS NOT MAINTAINED AND WELL MANNED.
WE ED MANAGED WE KNOW THE EQUIPMENT WAS OUT DALTED. ED
DATED . IF THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD
RECOMMENDED BY ES WAS ON THE TABLE SSHGSA WAS ON THE TABLE
AND I ADOPT AND ADOPTED BUT THEM THEY WOULD HAVE HAD SOME BETTER
TWAN CHANCE OF ACTUALLY ENSURE ING THEIR RESIDENTS WOULD BE
SAFE. INSTEAD THE COST IS SIGNIFICANT
. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITY IS
ALREADY INCURRED ABOUT $4 MILLION WORTH OF COSTS TO HELP
MANAGE THE EVACUATION, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND THEREFORE
. SO IN THAT CASE BY WAY OF
ADHERING TO A STANDARD THAT WOULD BE AGREED TO BY THE
ELECTRICAL SAFETY AUTHORITY, THAT’S BEEN SET PORTFOLI FORTH
BY THE CANADIAN STANDARDS ASSOCIATION WE WOULD BE AVERTING
SOME OF THOSE COSTS . SOME OF THOSE COSTS WOULD BE
AROUND DISPLACEMENTS, AROUND THE LOSS OF HOUSEING, THE
INTERRUPTION AND DISRUPTIONS TO JOB, THE INTERRUPTIONS AND
DISRUMGSRUPTIONS TO FAMILY LIFE INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THE KIDS
HAD TO BE HAULED OUT OF SCHOOL. THERE WAS THE TCHC BURDENS OF
HAVING TO THEN REACH OUT TO TORONTO TTC BUSES TO BRING THEM
IN FOR SHELTERS, TEMPORARY USE, THE ON GOING HOTEL COST, THE ON
GOING COST OF SHELTER REPOLICE MENTSPLACEMENTS, MENTAL HEALTH
COSTS AND JUST THE COSTS OVER ALL .
IF 650 PARLIAMENT IS GOING TO ADD HEAR TO THIS STANDARD HERE
HERE TO THIS STANDARD RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT THAT
WAS ADOPTED EDED BY THIS COUNCIL THE VERY LEAST WE CAN DO IS MAKE
SURE THAT WE AS A SHAREHOLDER OF TCHC CAN DO EXACTLY THE SAME
THING. WE HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARD THE SDAN STANDARD.
THAT’S WHY THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS WE’RE GOING TO MEET THAT
SDAN DISREGARD STANDARD OR ADOPT IT .
TCHC IS TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THEIR MANAGED BUILDINGS BUT
UNFORTUNATELY THOSE THIRD PARTY CONTRACTED BUILDINGS ARE FLOATED
FLOATEDING OUT FRO IN FLOATING OUT THERE WITHOUT THE SAME TYPE
OF OVERSIGHT . THANK YOU VERY MUCH .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . WE DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU .
COUNCILLOR CARROLL . CLARIFICATION .
» COUNCILLOR CARROLL: YES . I LOVE THE INTENT .
I’M JUST WONDERING IF — WHERE THIS COMES FROM ?
HAVE YOU TALKED TO STAFF AND WORKED WITH STAFF?
DO WE KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE ACHIEVABLE BY MARCH 31ST OF
THIS COMING YEAR ? WHAT ADVANCE WORK DO WE KNOW ?
SO » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: ONE OF
THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE A LINE UP OF STAFF WHO ARE HERE FROM TC
HC AS WELL AS TORONTO FIRE AND ESA, MLS, ONE OF THE REASONS
WHAT I ALL THE GENTLEMAN ARE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE WE
SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR
OFFICES LETTING THIS EM KNOW THAT THIS WAS INGTING THEM KNOW
THIS WAS THE INTENTION. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED
TODAY WAS LARGELY DERIVED FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT
THE COMMITTEE WHEN WE RAISED THE MATTER THE FIRST POINT IF TIME.
IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS VITAL DISRUPTIONS
SERVICE REPORT THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND TC THSHGS THSHGSHC
IS STRIVEING TO MEET A FAMILIAR DAN DISREGARD STANDARD
PARTICULAR SDAN DRD STANDARD BUT NOT THERE YELT. YET.
BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS REPORT SAID TO PRIVATE PRIVATE PRIVATE
MANAGED BUILDING WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TRY TO MEET THE STANDARD
AND WE HAVEN’T SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT TO TCHC SO I’M TRYING TO
ALIGN THE TWO . HOPE
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION .
KOIRL KOIRL » COUNCILLOR CARROLL: JUST
WONDERING ABOUT THE DATE BECAUSE IT’S OCTOBER .
SO I’M WONDERING IF THEY — DID THEY SUGGEST THE DATE ?
IF YOU DON’T MIND MY ASKING, DID THEY SUGGEST IT, THINK IT’S
ACHIEVABLE, ENFORCEMENT IN THE CASE OFABLE IN THE CASE OF THE
PRIVATE CONTRACTORS UNDER THUNDERSHOWER CURRENT CONTRACT,
THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ? HAVE THOSE BEEN IRONED OUT ?
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: SO WE WERE REALLY CLEAR TO SAY THEY
WOULD ADAPT THE STANDARD,DOPT THE STANDARD, NOT ROLL OUT WITH
IMPLEMENTATION AND OPERATION. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO TC
HC HOW THAT WILL WORK OUT. SO — AND GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS
TO REVIEW ON HOW THAT ROLL OUT WOULD BE .
THEY WOULD TRY TO ADOPT THE STANDARD BY THAT TIME .
SO NOT TO HAVE EVER BUILD EVERY BUILDING FULLY INSPECTED, THAT’S
NOT WHAT WE’RE ASKING. IT’S TO SIMPLY STRIVE TO THE
SAME DAN DISREGARD STANDARD THAT’S REFERENCED IN THE VITAL
SERVICE DISRUPS REPORT TORUPGSZ REPORT SORUPTION REPORT TO ALIGN
THE PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDING AND THE TCHC BUILDINGS .
KOIRL KOIRL KOIRL
» COUNCILLOR CARROLL: JOUR ASKING A YOU’RE ASKING AS A
SHAREHOLDER, THE BOARD WILL GET THAT HOPE AS HOW THAT WILL
HAPPEN? » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: THAT’S
MY HOPE. I DON’T EXPECT ANYTHING ANYONE
TO HAVE ALL THE BUILDINGS INSPECTED.
I WOULDN’T MAKE SENSE. IT’S SIMPLY TO YOU ADOPT THAT
STANDARD OR AN I LIVE E LIVE KWENT TO THAQUIVALENT TO THAT
DAN DISREGARD STAN DAR. EDDARD . TCHC HAS AN ELECTRICAL VE LEK
TRIY CALLECTRICAL PRESENT PREVENN TAIF MAINTENANCETETIVE
MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. THAT MEETS TWO PILLARS IN THE
FOUR IN THE STANDARD . IT HAS FOUR AND THE PROGRAM HAS
TWO. CAN WE GET EVERYONE TO THE POUR
PILLAR PROGRAM FOUR PILLAR PROGRAM .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
MAYOR TORY . » MAYOR TORY: I WOULD LIKE TO
FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT LINE OF QUESTIONSING TO COUNCILLOR
WONG-TAM THROUGH YOU . IF WE COULD MAYBE PUT THE MOTION
BACK UP. I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE WORDS
YOU WERE JUST USEING A MOMENT AGO — MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS
THAT INIT IS THE WORSE AND I’VE SAID IT IN THIS IS THE WORSE BOARD TO TAKE
KIR OF A US 40ING CORPORATION AND THEN. IN CARE OF A HOUSEING
COMP RATION AND THENE INGING CORPORATION AND DIRECT THEM.
SOME OF THE WORDS YOU WERE USE ING I WOULD HAVE HAD MUCH LESS
TROUBLE WITH . YOU SAID ABOUT AN I KWEF LENT
EQUIVALENT STANDARD IF THERE WAS SUCH A THING .
THAT’S NOT MENTIONED HERE. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE WORDING IN
THE MOTION AS THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER OF SAYING THAT WE DIRECT
THE HOUSEING CORPORATION BOARD TO DIRECT THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE
OFFICER TO ADOPT . I JUST — FOR ME SITTING HERE AS
ONE MEMBER OF COUNCIL I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS STANDARD PROVIDES
YOU. YOU DO AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THE
FACT THAT YOU’VE DONE THE WORK AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SHARE
YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE 650 PROBLEM AND THE AFTER MATH .
I J JUST ASK YOU WHETHER YOU MIGHT LIKE TO CHANGE THE WORDING
A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT
DONE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ROETHLISBERGER RT A REPORT BACK
IN 30 DAYS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION IMPLICATIONS OF ADOPTING THIS
STANDARD OR IF THERE IS AN EIVE REQUEST LENT EQUIVALENT KWI
EQUIVALENT . WOULD YOU CONSIDER IS THAT
CONSIDER THAT ? I WOULD FEEL BETTER THEM GETTING
BACK TO US WITHOUT TELLING THEM THIS IS IT .
PEOPLE LIKE ME, I DON’T KNOW IF I CAN VOTE KNOWING WHAT THE
STANDARD IS. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MA DOOIR MR. MAYOR .
BY WAY OF CLARIFICATION, THE FIRST PORTION OF THE MOTION WAS
ACTUALLY COPYIED DIRECTLY FROM A PREVIOUS PREVIOUS REPORTS FROM
COUNCIL. SO WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE
DO WE DIRECT, DO WE REQUEST . IT WAS ACTUALLY COPYIED FROM
PREVIOUS LANGUAGE THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THIS PARTICULAR G
OVERNing BODY . IF IT’S INGING BODY.
IF IT’S EASIER I CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION TO REQUEST BECAUSE IT
WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WE WER WE WERE A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT
INTERNS INTERNALLY IN THE OFFICE BUT WE COPIED FROM A PREVIOUS
MOENGS MOTION. SO THEREFORE IF I JUST YOU MEND MY OWN MOTION
AMEND MY OWN MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL SOLE SHARE LOCALEDHOLDER
REQUESTS REQUESTS THE TORONTO HOUSEING TO DIRECT THE PRESIDENT
TO DO THIS BODY OF WORK THAT WOULD BE — AND THEY CAN REPORT
BACK INTERNALLY . » MAYOR TORY: JUST IF I MAY,
MADAME SPEAKER, MAYBE SUGGEST — I’M VERY HAPPY YOU SHOULD PUT A
TIME LIMIT ON THEM TO REPORT BACK TO US SO WE ARE NOT HAVING
IT GO OFF INTO THE ETHER. IF IT’S GOOD ENOUGH FOR 650
PARLIAMENT IT’S GOOD ENOUGH FOR OUR OWN BUILDINGS, SOME KIND OF
STANDARD LIKE THIS. I WOULD FEEL GOOD IF WE HAD A
REPORT BACK FROM THEM ON WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS TO THIS REQUEST
THAT YOU’RE MAKING . I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT
MYSELF. » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: I WAS
ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO LET TCHC SORT IT OUT INTERNALLY SO
THEREFORE WE DIDN’T GET INTO ALL THE MANAGEMENT OF IT AFTER WARDS
TO BE QUITE HONEST . WE WERE GOING TO IS YOU TO DO
THIS ASK YOU TO DO THIS . I WOULD IMAGINE THE BOARD OF
DIRECTORS WOULD THEN WALK YOU THROUGH WITH THE EXPERTISE OF
YOUR STAFF AFTER WORDS WARDS. IF THERE’S A DESIRE TO REPORT
BACK TO THIS BODY I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE AS WELL OR AT
LEAST GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH IT .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR CARROLL TO SPEAK .
» COUNCILLOR CARROLL: THANK YOU , MADAME SPEAKER .
I’M DLAD I ASKED GLD I ASKED THOSE
I’M SGLAD GLAD I ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS.
I SHARE THE MAYOR’S UNEASE OF DO WE WANT TO START RUNNING A BOARD
. OR ARE WE THE SHAREHOLDER AND
ONCE A YEAR MIGHT GIVE THEM GUIDANCE .
I’M GLAD I CLARIFYIED . ADOPT BY MARCH 31ST, TO UZ THAT
MEAN DOES THAT MEAN HAMMER COMES DOWN TO EVERY CONTRACT AND THE
FINANCIAL IMPACT FROM EACH CONTRACT HOLDER COMES BACK .
IN FACT WHAT WE’RE DOING IS ESPECIALLY WITH A FRIENDLY
AMEMBEREDMENDMENT WHAT WE’RE DOING IS ASKING THE BOARD TO SET
A STANDARD AND BEGIN THAT WORK . I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ON THAT SCORE, WE’RE STILL LEAVING THE BOARD EMPOWERED .
IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE LEAVE THEM EMPOWERED BECAUSE THEY HAVE
A STAFF TO MANAGE . THEY HAVE A CORPORATION TO
MANAGE. WE DON’T WANT TO BEGIN FROM A
DISCUSSION HERE TO BEGIN TO ERODE THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE
AND SO ASKING THAT QUESTION I’M COMFORTED .
THEY DO NEED TO DO IT. I DON’T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES
. IF YOU WERE SITTING ON THIS
COUNCIL WHEN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, DATING BACK TO 200 WELLSLIY THAT PEOPLE ARE
SO DISADVANTAGED FOR SO LONG WHILE WE IRON OUT OUR
DIFFERENCES AND OUR DIFFICULTY IES WITH THE LANDLORD .
WE ALL HAVE TO BARE THE COST OF THE TENANTS.
SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT .
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK WE CAN BE BRAVE AND HAVE THAT HE
HAS CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE
DOLLARS . THERE IS GOOD NEWS ON THE HORN
OR RI SOO HORIZON. WE HAVE A PARTNER IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW, REPAIRS ARE STARTING TO AM,P UP .
MOST IMPORTANTLY IT STARTS WITH OUR OWN INVESTMENT, OUR OWN
RAMPING UP OF USING CITY DOLLARS TO GET
STATE OF GOOD REPAIR UNDERSTOOD CONTROL .
AS TO THE FIRES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY AS TO THE FIRES THAT WE
KNOW ARE PURPOSELY SET, MADAME SPEAKER, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT
SETTING A FIRE THAT’S GOING TO CAUSE DAMAGE AS A CRIME THEN A
DISCUSSION WE HAD YEG YESTERDAY WHERE IT CAME UP WHAT YOU DO IN
TERMS OF POLICE AND RESOURCES, WHAT YOU SPEND IN THE WAY OF
SUPPORTS TO COMMUNITIES AND WHAT YOU SPEND IN TERMS OF THE BROKEN
WINDOW THEORY . IT HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN WHAT
WE’RE LOOKING AT . WHAT IS THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY
? IT’S A CRIMINALOGICAL THEIR RI
THAT STATES THEORY STA TATS THAT STATES THAT CRIME, DISORDER
CREATE AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGINGES FURTHER CRIME AND
DISORDER. IT CAN INCLUDE VERY SERIOUS
CRIMES. CRIMES THAT CAUSE PEOPLE IN THE
200 UNIT TO HAVE TO BE EVICTED . WELL, IF WE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR
THESE PROPERTIES, IF YOU ARE A YOUNG PERSON AND YOU’RE LIVING
IN A PLACE THAT FROM THE TIME YOU CAME HOME TO IT FROM THE
HOSPITAL AS A NEWBORN BABY YOU JUST DON’T SEE ANY RESPECT FOR
THAT PROPERTY BEING AFFORDED BY ITS OWNERS AND ITS LANDLORDS.
YOU DON’T REALLY HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THAT PROPERTY.
THE CONDITIONS YOU’RE LIVING IN SEEM CRIMINAL .
SO CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR BECOMES THE NORM. SO THERE’S A BROKEN
WINDOW THEIR RI GOING THEORY GOING ON HERE AND I THINK IT EX
TEND TO SETTING A FUR TO A BUILDING THAT IN FAIR FIRE TO A
BUILDING THAT IT SEEMS NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT.
E WITH THEED TO MAKE I WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR
WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR. I HOPE THE BOARD TAKES UP THIS
QUESTION AND IT IS QUESTION AND IT I REQUEST AND IT IS A REQUEST
. WE ARE MAKING NEW INVESTMENTS
ERING MULTIPLE GOVERNMENTS ARE MAKING NEW INVESTMENTS AND WE DO
CARE ABOUT THE FACILITY . IT IS NOT GOING TO BE SO
NEGLECTED THAT YOU JUST MIGHT AS WELL SET IT ABLAZE .
THAT’S NOT GOING TO BE THE WAY FORWARD .
SO THAT DAN STANDARD STANDARD MAY SET US ON A CHARTED COURSE
SUCH THAT SETTING A FIRE ON PURPOSE WOULD BE REALLY IS THE
SETTING A FIRE OF SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS HOME A HOME.
I THINK YOU’LL SEE THAT NUMBER GO DOWN .
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
» SPEAKER: THAT’S THAT’S IT FOR THE SPEAKER.
IF WE CAN PUT THE MOTION ON THE SCREEN . FIRST MOTION BY COUNCILLOR
FLETCHER . ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED . SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILLOR
WONG-TAM . HAS YOU
HAS AMEMBERE AS YOU AMENDED .
ALL IN FAVOR ? CARRIED.
ITEM AS AMENDED, RECORDED VOTE . » ITEM CARE ARERYIES
UNANIMOUSLY, 22 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
PAGE 3, EX 8.3 . » SPEAKER, I KNOW THAT YOU DID
ADOPT THE ORDER PAPER EARLIER. IST JUST IS I WAS JUST WONDERING
WHILE FIRE SERVICE STAFF WAS HERE IF YOU WANTED TO DEAL WITH
ANOTHER ONE. I’VE HELD IT .
ALL I HAVE IS A QUICK AMENDMENT .
» SPEAKER: COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT ?
ALL RIGHT . SO WE’LL GO TO PAGE 3 EC 7.1 .
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, TORONTO FUR SERVICES. FIRE SERVICES.
YOU HELD IT DOWN. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ?
CARROLL NO» COUNCILLOR CARROLL: NO, JUST A QUICK MOTION.
» SPEAKER: GO AHEAD . » COUNCILLOR CARROLL: I DON’T
KNOW IF — DID I CATCH THE CENTER TABLE BY SURPRISE ?
THERE WE ARE. SO IT’S IT’S A SIMPLE MOTION
THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUEST THE FIRE CHIEF AND GENERAL MANAGER
OF TORONTO FIRE SERVICES TO REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN
ADVANCE OF THE COMMONS COMMENCEMENT OF THE 2021 BUDGET
PROCESS WITH RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES AS A RESULT OF THE
FIRE TORONTO FIRE SERVICES TRANSFORMATION PLAN AND COMMISSI
ON ON FIRE YOU CORRODATION INTERNATIONAL RERATELATE LATE
RELATED INITIATIVES TO ADDRESS E POERJ H MERGEING AND FORECASTE
ING EMERGEING AND FORECASTED RISKS OF THE GROWING CITY.
THIS IS IN FACT WHAT IS IN THE CONTENTS OF THE RECORD THAT WE
CONSIDERED AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT .
IT’S SIMPLY THIS, WE ASKE WE SECOND-DEGREE FOR
THIS VERY ASKED FOR THIS REPORT TO BE HERE IN TIME FOR THE 2020
BUDGET PROCESS . WE RECEIVED A REPORT UPDATEING
US AND THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS TO RECEIVE.
ALL I’M DOING IS TAKING THE CONTENT OF THE REPORT IN X WHICH
THE FIRE CHIEF SAYS I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT BACK BEFORE THE NEXT
YEAR. THAT’S A BIG STEP . I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE FORM
OF A RECOMMENDATION SO THAT IT BECOMES SOMETHING SOMETHING THAT
WE’RE TRACKING BY DATE AND LOOKING FOR THAT REPORT RATHER
THAN JUST BURYING IT IN THE CONTENT OF THE REPORT. IT’S UP
TO COUNCIL IF THEY DIDN’T WANT TO DEFER SOMETHING FOR AN ENTIRE
YEAR . I’M JUST MAKING THE CONTENT OF
THE REPORT A RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL.
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
DO WE HAVE ANYMORE SPEAKERS ?
ANYMORE SPEAKERS ?
OKAY . JUST ON COUNCILLOR CARROLL’S
MOTION, ALL IN FAVOR ? CARRIED .
ITEM AS AMENDED EED, ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED . PAGE 3, EX 8.3.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON . JUST HOLD ON BEFORE WE START .
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ?
CITY OF TORONTO INVESTMENT REPORT .
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ? COUNCILLOR LAYTON, DO YOU ?
» COUNCILLOR LAYTON: NO. » SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR LAYTON,
GO YOU HEAD . » COUNCILLOR LAYTON: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. I HAVE A MOENGS. MOTIO MOTION.
THEST A RATHER IT’S A RATHER LONG MOTION SO IT WAS
CIRCUMSTANCESLATED LATE KIRK LATED. A LATE KIRKLATED.
S LAT CIRCULATED . IT’S REFERRING IT BACK SO THAT
WE ACTUALLY MEET WHAT WE PUT POR FORWARD FORWARD YESTERDAY AS
PART OF OUR COLLIMATE EMERGENCY ICALLY CLIMATE EMERGENCY MOTION
TO ENSURE THAT TORONTO IS A LEADER IN USEING OUR OWN FUNDS
FUNDS AND INVESTMENTS TO NOT GUILTY ONLY NOT ONLY NOT
INVEST IN GREENHOUSE GAS INTENSIVE INDUSTRIES OR
INVESTMENTS BUT IN FACT USE THOSE INVESTMENT DOLLARS TO HAVE
GREATER POTENTIAL IN SOLUTIONS . IN CLIMATE SOLUTIONSMENT .
I’D SAY THIS, IT SAYS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS, IT WHIC
CHALKS OUR EARNINGS. DO I HAVE TO READ THE MOTION ?
IT’S A LONG MOTION . EVERYONE HAS IT IN FRONT OF YOU
. THE ON DIFFERENT ONLY DIFFERENCE
IS THERE’S A REVISED MO EDUCATION THAT GIVES A LITTLE BI
EDD MOTION THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO THE CFO UNTIL
JANUARY 29TH AND 30TH COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE
HER A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THE INVESTMENTS AND
CONSULT WITH THE NECESSARY PARTNERS .
I CHECKED WHAT — I LOOKED AT THIS REPORT AND THEN THE
SUMMARY. IT’S ACTUALLY JUST NOTED TO ME
BY COUNCILLOR HOLIDAY . OURIDAYDAY.
OUR RETURNS ARE ACTUALLY BELOW WHAT WAS EXPECTED IN THE 3
.SOMETHING RANGE . 2.7 AND 3% ANNUALIZED .
YOU KNOW THAT THE TORONTO ATMOSPHERIC FUND WHICH IS AN END
OWMENT HAS AN INVESTMENTUNVEST MENT INVESTMENT BOARD HAS STRONG
ESG POLICY INVESTMENTS . THEY ARE UP 14% THIS PAST YEAR .
SO NOT ONLY HAVE THEIR INVESTMENTS IN ARE THEIR
INVESTMENTS SHIFT AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS AND SOLUTION BASED
APPROACHES, THEY ARE ALSO MAKE ING MORE MONEY .
SO IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE NOTION THAT WE SHOULD BE USEING OUR
MONEY AND INVESTING IN GOOD THINGS, IF YOU DON’T SUPPORT
THAT AND GIVEN THAT THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY MOTION PASSED
UNANIMOUSLY YESTERDAY I WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HEAR IF YOU YO
DIDN’T DIDN’T SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS INCLUDED IN
THERE, YOU CAN’T TURN DOWN THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE
MORE MONEY BY INVESTING IN CLIMATE SOLUTIONS AND RELEWISING
THE EX INGDUCEING THE EXPOUZ YOURPOSURE AND RISK ASSOCIATED
WITH CLIMATE CHANGE . SO I’D HOPE YOU’D SUPPORT THE
MOTION. AGAIN, IT IS A REFERRAL .
I’M IN THE TRYING TO CHANGE THE INVESTMENT POLICY AT THIS TIME .
I THOUGHT PERHAPS WE COULD BE PROVIDED WITH THE EVIDENCE AT
OUR NEXT — AT A FUTURE OPPORTUNITY AND MAKE THE CHANGE
THEN . SO I HOPE YOU’LL SUPPORT MY
AMENDMENT .
DO WECH ANY SPEAKER WE HAVE ANY SPAEKERS ON TH SPEAKERS ON THE
REFERRAL SPEAKERS ON THE REFERRAL ?
ON THE REFERRAL CAN I HAVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PLEASE TAKE
THEIR SEATS . RECORDED VOTE . » THE REFERRAL IS ADOPTED 19-2
. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
PAGE 3 . EX 8.13 CAPITAL BARRENS BARRENS
BARE RANS BARRAV NCE REPORT .
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, YOU HEALED IT HELD THE ITEM DOWN .
ARE THERE IN ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF?
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OH OF OF STATUTE ?
» COUNCILLOR CARROLL: ACTUALLY, NO I DON’T MADAME SPEAKER.
I CAN RELEASE IT. SORRY I WAS LATE THIS MORNING OR
I WOULD HAVE RELEASED IT THEN . I WAS LATE BECAUSE I WAS WRITING
SOMETHING . » SPEAKER: SO COUNCILLOR
CARROLL IS RELEASING ON PAGE 3 E X 8.13 .
ALL IF FAVOR? N FAVOR?
KAERD CARRIED.
PAGE 3 I TESHGSE 7.8 . COUNCILLOR ROBINSON.
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON . YOU HELD THE ITEM DOWN .
» COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: DOUF I DON’T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO MOVE A MOTION . » SPEAKER: ANYBODY HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS ? TOIN
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON, YOU HELD THE ITEM DOWN .
» COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
IF THE CLERK CAN PUT THE ITEM ON THE SCREEN, THE MOTION, PLEASE.
I’LL BE VERY BRIEF . FFRZ MAYBE I SHOULD STAND DOWN MADAME
SPEAKER BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THE MOTION .
I KNOW THERE’S OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING ON THIS .
» SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR ROBINSON, YOU HELD THE ITEM DOWN SO YOU’RE
THE FIRST SPEAKER. DO WE HAVE THE MOTION ?
DO YOU HAVE COUNCILLOR ROBINSON ‘S MOTION ? DID YOU HAND IT IN COUNCILLOR
ROBINSON ?
YOU GOT IT ? OKAY.
IF WE CAN PUT THE MOTION ON THE SCREEN. OKAY .
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON, GO AHEAD . » COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER . THE MOTION IS BEFORE YOU .
IT’S RATHER REALLY A REPORT BACK AN YAWLY LNUALLY ON WORDS WARD
SPECIFIC AND INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC UPDATES.
SO I WANT TO START BY THANKING STAFF FACEBOOK THAT ARE FOR
THEIR GREAT WORK ON THIS COMP REHENSIVE STRATEGY.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIO DIVERSITY STRATEGY .
I BELIEVE THE DHAR CHAIR, COUNCILLOR PASTER NOBODYING ER
ERNAK AND COUNCILLOR MCKEL SUPERVISED INJECTIONKELVIE HAVE
MOTIONS AN I HOP AND YOU HOPE THAT YOU YO YOU THAT YOU YO
SPORT THEM. IT’ SUPPORT THEM. IT’S TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON THEIR
IN THUNDERSHOWER ANNUAL REPORT . THEIR ANNUAL REPORT.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT VARIOUS GIG DIVISIONS AND AND BODIES AND
ANAL SIS ARE SIS ARE MOVE AGENCIES ARE MOVED IN THIS ED
INVOLVED IN THIS . IN WARD 15 WE HAVE RAVINE
NEIGHBORS TO THUNDERSHOWER OUR COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORHOODS AND
QUITE FRANKLY THE ENTIRE CITY. THIS WILL HOPEFULLY ENSURE A
MULTITY TUITION UNTIL APPROACH ON IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGY ING
NATIONAL REPORT . I THINK IT’S BEEN NEGLECTED FOR
MUCH THAT LONG . I HOPE THAT YOU’LL SHOULDN’T
THIS MOTION AND THE OTHERS THAT ARE SUPPORT THIS MOTION AND THE
OTHERS THAT ARE COMEING. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR MCKELVIE . » MAYOR TORY:
KEL » CHAIR MCMAHON:
» MAYOR TORY: SGLE
» I HAVE A MOTION THAT THEY CONSIDER ALIGNING THE REPORTING
TIMELINES FOR THE BIODIVERSITY STRATEGY AND THE RAVINE STRATEGY
. WE’RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE
GREAT VERY IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL STRATEGYIES FOR
THE CITY AND A LOT OF THEM ARE INTERRELATED .
SO I JUST THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE REPORT BACK ON THE
BIODIVERSITY STRATEGY AT THE SAME TIME AS THE VERY MUCH
RELATED ED A RAVINE STRATEGY . I LIKE AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON FOR HER AMENDMENT AS WELL THAT IS
LOOKING AT BREAK B IT DOWN TO THEING IT DOWN TO THE WORD LEFLT
LEVEL. I DIDN’T TAKE THIS AS FAR AS ILL
LIKE TO. I WOULD LIKE US TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE A SCORE
CARD THAT TRACKS ALL THE ACTIONS AND THAT THAT IS ALSO REPORTED
BACK ANNUALLY AND I WOULD I WAS THINKING IT COULD BE WITH, YOU
KNOW, RED, YELLOW, GREEN TO SHOW WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THOSE
ACTIONS BUT I DO THINK THAT COUNCILLOR LAYTON ^ HAD ^ HA HAD
A REALLY GOOD IDEA THAT SHOULD REPORT BACK WITH RATS, RACCOONS
AND POSSIBLY A BEAUTIFUL MAJESTIC DEER ON THAT SCORE CARD
. WHALE I’M NOT BRINGING THAT FOR
WARD AT THIS TIME I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARDS MORE ACTION
BASED TRACKING OF THE BIO DIVERSITY STRATEGY IN THE FUTURE
. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR LAYTON . » COUNCILLOR LAYTON: YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
I DON’T HAVE A MOEKS MOTION . I JUST WANTED TO RISE TO SPEAK
TO THIS ITEM . BECAUSE IN 2015 I WAS THE
COUNCILLOR THAT PUT FORWARD THE MOTION THAT KIND OF INITIATED
THIS . IT HAPPENED IN A REALLY
INTERESTING WAY . I JUST WANTED TO — OUR POLICIES
ALL — THEY KIND OF HAVE A STORY BEHIND THEM. I THINK NORMALLY
IT’S A PHONE CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT, MAYBE A COUPLE .
WE SEE A PATTERN. WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS
SYSTEMIC, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS .
THERE WAS TWO PHONE CALLS IN PARTICULAR THAT ONE PHONE CALL,
ONE CONVERSATION OVER MY DINNER TABLE THAT RESULTED IN BRINGING
A MOTION FORWARD. ONE WAS A DEER DEAR OLD FRIEND OF MINE,
LESS LESLIELESSLY LESLIE ADAMS CAME TO MY OFFICE AND SAID YOU
KNOW WHAT, THE UN HAS DECLARED THIS THE DECADE OF BIODIVERSITY
BUT NO MUNICIPALITYIES ARE ACTUALLY STEPS UP AN IMPLEMENT
STEPPING UP AN IMPLEMENTING BIO DIRSDIVERSITY PLANS TO ENSURE
THAT THE ANIMALS, THE TREES, THE SPECIES WITHIN THEIR
JURISDICTIONS ARE BEING RESPECT ED OR THAT THEIR THEIR HEALTH IS
BEING MONITORED AND IMPROVED . I THOUGHT, WELL YOU KNOW WHAT,
WE’VE GOT SO MANY GREAT DIVISIONS, WE’VE GOT SUCH GRAELT
PLANS GREATED PLANS ON TH GREAT PLANS ON THE BOOKS, THERE’S NO
REASON WE COULDN’T LOOP THEM TOGETHER IN A COST APPROPRIATE
WAY AND ENSURE THAT IN OUR OWN ACTIVITIES THAT WE WEREN’T
WATCHING OUT FOR BIODIVERSITY AND THAT SELECTION OF TREE
SPECIES IN OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION AND REVIEW.
AND THEN WHAT REALLY KICKED ME OR PUSHED ME INTO ACTION WAS MY
PARTNER, MY WIFE, CAME HOME ONE DAY AND SHE’S A BIRDER IN THE
CITY, SHE LIKES TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO BIRD CALLS AND ID
BIRDS. SHE CAME TO ME AND SAID YOU KNOW
WHAT, THEY ARE TEARING DOWN AN OLD CHIMNEY IN THE EAST END THAT
WE KNOW IS HOUSEING FOR CHIMNEY SPIF SWIFTS, ENDANGERED PEE SEES
IN THE SPREE SEAS IN ENDANGER SPECIES IN THE PROVINCE.
WHO CATCHES THAT ? IT’S ROOSTING SEASON AND THERE’S
BABY BOARD BIRDS AND IT’S AN ENGAGED SPECIES .
I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE ISN’T ONE.
A DEVELOPMENT APPLY CAYING COPS IN, APPLICATION COMES IN, WE
CHECK TO MAKE SURE IT’S SAFE AND CHECK TO MAKE SURE IT’S DONE
WORING ACCORDING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING
CODE AND THE — WHATEVER SAFETY REGULAR LAYINGS REGULATIONS THAT
GO INTO THE LEVEL OF DEMOLITION THAT’S HAPPENING .
WE WOULD NEVER CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ENGAGED SPECIES
HABITAT . IT’S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE DO.
MAYBE OTHER MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE FURTHER
OUT OF AN URBAN CONTEXT THAT THEY SPEND MORE OR PAY MORE
ATTENTION TO THE HABITAT WHEN IT’S A GREEN FIELD BUT WE DON’T
WHEN IT’S A GRAY FIELD OR A BROWN FIELD.
SO THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE SMALL THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD
EASILY CHANGE THAT WOULD HELP PROTECT THE DIVERSITY OF SPECIES
THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY AND IN FACT MAKE IMPROVEMENT .
JUST THIS YEAR WE OPENED — AS A RESULT OF SOME PHONE CALLS TO M
AND R, TO MONITOR SOME OF THESE WHICH I AMMYS CHIMNEYS THAT WERE
COMEING DOWN THEY ACTUALLY STARTED TO BUILD THESE FAKE
WHICH I AMMYS IN SUCH WHICH I AM MYS IN SUC WHICH I AMMYS WHICH I
AM CMIMN ERIC HOLDER YEY’S TO PROTECT THEM. IT’S A WAY THAT
POLICY KOUM POLICY COMES INTO THIS CHAMBER AND THE WORLD IT
COMES FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH FRIENDS, THE PHONE
CALLS FROM OUR CON STUNT WENTS SIT ENTSSTITUENTS AND IN THIS
CASE A CONVERSATION OVER DINNER WITH MY PARTNER .
I THINK WE SHOULD ALL REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE BACK STORIES TO
SOME OF THIS THAT CAN HELP INFORM HOW WE DO AND MAKE POLICY
IN THE CITY . THANK YOU VERY MUCH .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK . » COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK: THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. I HAVE A MOTION .
THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE GENERAL MANAGER OF PARKS,
FORESTRY AND RECOGNIZEREATION TO REPORT BACK TO THE
INFRASTRUCTURE ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE AND IT BUILDS ON
COUNCILLOR MCKEL SUPERVISED INJECTIONKELVIE’S MOTION TO
ALIGN BIODIVERSITY STRATEGY, RAVINE STRATEGY AND THE RECREPT
LY RELEASECENTLY RELEASED THE CONSERVATION STRAL TRAIL
STRATEGY THAT WE WERE WORKING ON ON FRIDAY.
I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE COMMITMENT,
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON, COUNCILLOR LAYTON AND OF COURSE I THINK
COUNCILLOR BRADFORD IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING NEXT.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BIODIVERSITY PLAN .
WE HAVE A RAVINE STRATEGY AND AS I MENTIONED IN REFERENCE IN
REFERENCE IN MY MOTION FROM THE TRC I HAVE VERY EXCITING STRALE
ING TRAIL STRATEGY . YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN A
HOUSEHOLD THAT BACKED ONTO A RADIO A SEEN RAVINE.
I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW ADD VENN CUSTOMER ROWS, ADD VENN CUSTOMER
ROWS, ADVENTUROUS AND INSPIRE INGING THEEING IT IS TO HAVE A
HABITAT IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES .
IT’S IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INITIAL FIFTIVE
THAT WE MAKE SURE ALL THE TRA STRATEGYIES ARE ALIGNED.
IF WE HAVE A TRAIL SDRAT STRATEGY, THAT MEANS THAT WE
WILL BE SENDINING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THROUGH
THEIR OUR VARIOUS RAVINES I THINK THE PHILOSOPHY IS TO
ENSURE ENJOY OUR RAVINES BUT ALSO PROTECT THEM AS WELL .
IF YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAIL STRATEGY YOU ALSO NEED TO ALIGN
THAT WITH THE RAVINE STRATEGY AND THE BIODIVERSITY STRATEGY .
EVERYBODY RESPECTS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT BUT AT THE SAME TIME
ENJOYS IT . YOU THIS I THAT ONCE THESE
STRATEGYIES BECOME MORE MATURE WE’RE GOING TO SEE VERY EXCITE
ING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIKING AND WALKING IN OUR DIFFERENT WOODS
ACROSS THE CITY . WE’RE GOING TO SEE ENORMOUS
POTENTIAL TO BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THE GREAT A SEENS RAVINES THAT
IN MANY WAYS ARE A BARRIER TO EXPLOREING NOW .
SO THIS IS GREAT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS IS GREAT FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS .
THIS IS GREAT FOR THE CITY OF TORONTO .
I THINK IN THE YEARS TO COME AS WE PROTECT OUR RAVINE SYSTEM, AS
WE RESPECT OUR BIODIVERSITY AND AS WE LEVERAGE OUR TRAIL SYSTEM
WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO UP NORTH TO
ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF THE GREAT OUT DOORS HERE IN TORONTO .
YOU CAN EXPLORE IT IN YOUR OWN LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SAFE,
ACCESSIBLE TRAILS AND AT THE SAME TIME PROTECT THE NATURAL
HABITAT AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT .
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR BRADFORD . » COUNCILLOR BRADFORD: THANK
YOU THANKS VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
I’D LIKE TO RISE AND THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS,
PARTICULARLY JANE WELSH AND KIM .
THIS IS A FANTASTIC REPORT . THAT’S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR
CITY . THE 10 PRINCIPLES AND 2323
ACTIONS OUTLINED IN THE DOCUMENT ARE GOING TO BE REALLY CRITICAL
AS WE CHART FORWARD IN INCREASINGLY CHALLENGEINEING
TYPES WHEN TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING OUR ECOLOGICAL
DIVERSITY DIVERSITY IN A CITY FACEING PRESSURE AND SUCH A
TREMENDOUS AM OF GROWTH. AMOUNT OF GROWTH AMOUNT OF GROWTH .
I THINK THE MOTIONS STREJ STRENGTHEN THE DOCUMENT AND WILL
PROVIDE PROVIDE AN IMPORTANT REPORTING MECHANISM FOR US TO
GET THOSE YOU WAN UPDATES ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILLOR LAYTON FOR THE WORK HE DID UP
FRONT AND ENCOURAGING THE CITY TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THESE
SORT OF THINGS. AS KOIM COUNCIL LOR PATRIOTLOR PASTER PASTERNAK
NOTED WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR ALIGNMENT, WE HAVE A RAVINE
STRATEGY, RESILIENCE STRATEGY, FLOOD FRO PROTECTION IN THE DAWN
. WE HAD AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND RECOGNIZEING THE IMPORTANCE OF
THAT AND OUR ACTIONS GOING FORWARD HERE AT THE CITY.
THAT PLAYS SL PLAYS INTO THI THAT PERFECTLY AND IT’S
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KEEP AT THE
FORFROENTEFRONT WHEN MAKING DECISIONS ACROSS ALL OF THESE
FRONTS. IT’S COMMITTIN EXCITING TO HAVE ATTORNE TORONTO’S FIRST
BIF BIODIVERSITY STRATEGY IN FRONT OF US AND I WANT TO THANK
EVERYONE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS .
IT’S A FANTASTIC REPORT. THANK YOU.
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . OKAY .
PUT THE MOTIONS ON THE SCREEN . MOTION ONE BY COUNCILLOR
ROBINSON . RECORDED VOTE. YOU’RE PRESSING THE WRONG BUTTON
. I SEE YOUR NAME UP IN THE MIDDLE
. » THE AMENDMENT CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY 223 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: MOTION GO BY COUNCIL
LOR MCKELVIE . RECORDED VOTE . TWO BY COUNCILLOR MCKELVIE.
RECORDED VOTE. » THE AMENDMENT ALSO CARRIES 23
23 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: ITEM AS AMENDED .
RECORDED VOTE. » THE ITEM AS AMENDED CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY, 23 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: TEENAGE PAGE 3, IRKS
EESHGS 7 IKES E 7 IE 7.9 . COUNCILLOR FILION, QUESTIONS OF
SFAF STAFF ? » COUNCILLOR FILION: YEAH, AIL
I’LL START WITH QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
» SPEAKER: QUESTIONS OF STAFF . » COUNCILLOR FILION: I THINK
THEY ARE JUST COMING DOWN IF YOU CAN HOLD MY TIME UNTIL THEY
COME. » WHILE WE’RE WAITING FOR
COUNCILLOR FILION, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SHAWN’S CIVIC
PLANNING CLASS IS HERE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TON
»> TORONTO. I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THEM AND HOPE THEY ENJOY THE VISIT TO CITY HALL AND LEARN
LOTS . » SPEAKER: IS THE STAFF HERE ?
GO AHEAD COUNCILLOR FILION .
HOLD ON . GO AHEAD .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: AM I CORRECT THAT AS FAR AS PROTECT
ING CITY TREES COSTS ARE NO LONGER AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE
A SYSTEM OF RECOUPING THOSE COSTS FROM INSPECTION FEES,
WOULD THAT BE TRACT CORRECT ? » THROUGH YOU, MADAME SPEAKER,
WE DO HAVE A COST RECOVERY FOR ENFORCEMENT .
INSPECTING ENFORCEMENT TREES UNDER ENFORCEMENT .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: RIGHT . TRYING TO ENFORCE A SUCHUATION
WHERE YOU HAVE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE HOME HELD BUILDINGSERS
NOT PROTECTING THE CITY TREES OR DAMAGEING CITY TREES.
» THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER, THAT’S CORRECT.
» COUNCILLOR FILION: AND WE CAN COVE RECOVER AREKOVRCOVER THOSE
COSTS WHETHER IT’S PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT WHERE WE FIND
VIOLATIONS OR WHEN IT’S COMPLAINT DRIVEN, EITHER ONE WE
CAN ? » THAT’S CORRECT .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: SO THERE SHOULD BE NO IMPEDIMENT TO
PROTECTING TREES FROM A COST POINT OF VIEW ?
» THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER, PROVIDED WE HAVE THE SUFFICIENT
STAFF . THERE IS OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF
REQUESTS THAT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF STAFF WE HAVE .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: BUT YOU CAN PAY FOR WHATEVER STAFF YOU
HAVE SO IF YOU NEEDED EED MORE STAFF — IF YOU NEEDED TO ADJUST
THE NUMBER OF STAFF DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION YOU COULD DO THAT
AND IT DOESN’T HAVE BUDGET IMP MY INDICATIONLICATIONS?
» THAT’S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT . » COUNCILLOR FILION: OKAY.
THEN MOVEING TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAVE THE OTHER TOOLS,
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ARE INSPECTION
FEES, ORDER TO COMPLY, STOP WORK ORDERS AND THE LAYING OF
CHARGERS S . SO WE HAVE THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT
FOOLS THAT ARE IN OUR ARSENAL, CORRECT ?
» THAT’S CORRECT. » COUNCILLOR FILION: SO BETWEEN
HAVING THE DOLLARS AND THE TOOLS TO PROTECT CITY TREES THE ONLY REASON THAT WE SHOULD
HAVE TREES GOING UNPROTECTED AND US NOT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT
THAT WOULD BE A NEED TO FIND FINE TUNE OR STRATEGIESY OUR
STRATEGY, COMBINE TOOLS, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER
SOURCES IN PLAY. WE SHOULD — GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE
THERE SHOULD NOT BE VERY MANY INSTANCES WHERE CITY TREES ARE
NOT PROTECTED, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT?
» MY THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER .
THAT’S CORRECT. THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW PROGRAM
AND THROUGH THE WISDOM OF KOIM THAT INITIATED ITCOUNCIL THAT
NISHLTHED IT. IT’S EDZSDOM OF COUNCIL THAT
NISHLTED IT . THERE’S INITIATED IT.
THERE’S STILL ROOM TO GROW . » COUNCILLOR FILION: I’LL
ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE IMPROVEMENT AND WE HAD A PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATION LAST WEEK . I’LL TAKE IT FROM THAT THAT YOU
WOULD SORT OF WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS DO THIS
REPORT WITH THE — TO PROVIDE SORT OF A MORE ACCURATE LARGER
PICTURE BUT ALSO TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN LEARN FROM THE DATA AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR
SYSTEM . » THROUGH YOU, MADAME SPEAKER,
ABSOLUTELY. » COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU.
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . OKAY .
THAT’S IT FOR QUESTIONS. TO SPEAK, COUNCILLOR FILL YION .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION, REQUEST STAFF
TO REPORT TO THE JANUARY 9TH, 20 20 INFRASTRUCTURE ENVIRONMENT
COMMITTEE MEETING WITH THE REPORT OUTLIN LINING FOR 2018
AND THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS OF 2019 .
THE NUMBER OF PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS, THE NUMBER OF SITES
, WORK COMPLAINT DRIVEN INSPECTIONS TOOK PLACE AND
INEXTRACTIONFRACTIONS WERE OBSERVED, THE NUMBER OF
INSPECTION FEES CHARGED ON FIRST AND SECOND VISITS, THE NUMBER OF
ORDERS TO COMPLY ISSUE, THE NUMBER OF STOP WORK ORDERS HSH
ED, THE NUMBE ISSUED, PART E ISSUED AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THESE TOOLS CAN BE BETTER YACHT LIEZED
FOR E UTILIZED FOR THREE PROTECTIONS.
IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS, MONEY SHOULDN’T BE AN ISSUE
BECAUSE WE’RE ABLE TO RECOVER OUR REQUEST COSTS THROUGH ABOUT
INSPECTION AN INSPECTION FEE . WE ALSO HAVE FOUR TOOLS, THE
INSPECTION FEES, ORDERS TO COMPLE COMPLY, STOP WORK ORDERS
AND THE LAYING OF CHARGES. SO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, WE
HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE ONLY THING THAT’S MISSING IS HOW TO
CORED COORDINATE ALL OF THOSE THINGS, MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH
STAFF AND THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE CORRECT MARCHING ORDERS.
CURRENTLY WERE DOING A BETTER JOB THAN WE WITH WE WERE CERTAIN
WE WERE CERTAINLY TWO YEARS AGO OF PROTECTING CITY TREES FROM
HOME BUILDINGS BUILDERS BUT TWO YEARS AGO THAT’S BECAUSE WE WERE
DOING A COMPLETELY DISMAL JOB AND THAT — AND I DO THANK THE
STAFF THAT THAT HAS UP PROVESISM PROVE E IMPROVED CONSIDERABLY .
THERE ARE STILL MANY INSTANCES AND WE ALL HAVE THEM, ESPECIALLY
THOSE OF US THAT HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION
WHERE IT IS — THE HOME BUILDINGS JUSTERS JUST CONSIDER
THE TREES AN INCONVENIENCE AND THEY FRANKLY DON’T CARE IF THEY
GET A 700 MF SOMETHING DRAR SOMETHING DOLLAR TICKET, IT’S A
COST OF BUSINESS, THEY ARE SELLING HOMES THAT WILL SELL
BETWEEN 2 FOR$2.5 AND 4 THERE ARES MRS.$4 MILLION.
SO THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED ABOUT A 7$700 FINE UNLESS WE KEEP
GOING BACK AND THEN IF THEY HAVEN’T FIXED THE PROBLEM A DAY
OR TWO LATER THEY GET ANOTHER FINE AND THEN THEY GET A STOP
WORK ORDER . THEN IF THEY SEVERELY DAMAGE OR
KILL THE TREES OR THE TREES SUDDENLY DISAPPEAR IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE NIEK NIGHT, THEY ALSO GET CHARGES LAID AGAINST THEM .
SO WE ARE DOIVENG DOING A MUCH
BETTER JOB BUT WE STILL NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB STILL .
YOU KNOW, WE GO TO GREAT PAINS BOTH STAFF AND AS A COUNCIL TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA TEXT PROTECT CITY TREES WHEN HOMEOWNERS COME
IN AND WANT TO REMOVE A TRAE OR DAMAGE TREE OR DAMAGE A TREE BUT
WE ARE CONSIDERABLY LESS DILIGENT AND EFFECTIVE AT
PROTECTING CITY TREES FROM HOME BUILDERS .
SO I’M HEARTENED BY THE STAFF RESPONSE THAT THERE IS RAM FOR
IMPROVEMENT AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO DO
THAT . I LIKE FORWARD TO GET LOOK
FORWARD TO GETTING THE RECORD BACK ON EXACTLY HOW THAT CAN
HAPPEN . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON . » COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER . I HAVE A MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO
MOVE . THEY ARE ON THE SCREEN .
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILLOR FILION FOR HIS MOTIONS WHICH ARE
EXCELLENT AND SHOULD HELP THE PROCESS .
MY MOTIONS ACTUALLY I THINK AUGMENT HIS AND SUPPORT HIS .
REALLY ITEM 2 GIVES US ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN OR OUR
REPORTING OUT WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
MY WARD, I’M SURE YOUR WARDS HAVE NOT REALLY REPAIRED FROM
THE ICE STORM IN 2013 AND THAT’S WHY I FORMED A LITTLE COMMITTEE
IN THE FORMER WARD 25, NOW WARD 15 TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES AND
WE PUT FORWARD A NUMBER OF MOTIONS .
I REMEMBER WORKING CLOSELY WITH NOW RETIRED OUR EDD OUR THUR ON
THIS ED A THUR EDD ARTHUR AND THAT WAS A PLEASANT EXPEESH
PERIENCE . THERE’S BEEN A MOVEMENT OF
IMPROVEMENTMOVEMENTPROVEMENTS . I’M MOVED TO REDUCE THE NUMBER
OF TREES BEING REMOVED . I’M DISCOURAGED BY THIS WHAT
WE’RE HEAR TODAY. SO THAT’S WHY I’M MOVEING THAT
HE HAS MOTIONS BECAUSE WE JUST HAVEE INGING — THESEE INGING
MOVING THESE MOTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT’S A
PRIORITY . IN MY WARD AND CERTAINLY
COUNCILLOR FILION THERE’S SO MUCH INFILL AND CONSTRUCTION AND
RENTOVATIONS. CLEARLY AS STAE STATE HE STATED TREES ARE BEING
COMPLETELY DISREGARDED IN THESE PROCESSES .
SO PROPER HANDING AND CARE ARE NEEDED TO PRESERVE TREES ON
BUILDING SITES AND I’M HOPEING THIS — THESE MOTIONS WERE
PRESENTED TODAY WILL HELP WITH THAT.
AS I SAID TIFFS I WAS DISCOURAGED TO RAR HEAR THE
RESPONSE TIME FROM URBAN FOERS FORECAST FORESTRY WAS FIVE DAYS.
THAT’S NOT ABOU ACCEPTABLE . GIVEN THE URGENT NATURE OF THE
TREE VIOLATIONS I THINK IT’S IMPERATIVE THAT URBAN FORESTRY
STAFF ARE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKLY AND COMPLETELY.
TREATMENT FROM CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE IS ALSO LIMITED SO IT’S
VITAL THAT ONCE THE BYLAW CONTRA VENGS DPDZ VENVESHGSVEN OOSHGS
OISHGS TION HAS BEEN COMPLETED WE MUST ACT IN A TIMELY FASHION
TO PROTECT AND PREVENT THE TREE FROM INJURY.
SO I WOULD LOO I CAN TO SEE MOR LIKE TO SEE MANIERY MORE MORE
PROACTIVE THINGS HAPPEN AS PART OF THE TREE BUILDING PERMIT
PROCESS . I KNOW URBAN FORESTRY, I’M
CERTAINLY AWARE THEY ARE ^ DON’T ^ DEFENSE ATTORNEY DOING AN
EXCELLENT JOB AND THINGS HAVE IM PROVED DRAMATICALLY ON THE TREE
RELATED MATTERS BUT I’D LIKE TO SEE THIS BYLAW TIGHTENED UP EVEN
FURTHER BECAUSE I COULD GIVE YOU MANY EXAMPLES AND I WON’T
BECAUSE THEY EXPOSE RESIDENTS BUT MANY XENT EXAMPLES WHERE
WE’RE LOSEINE INING TREES UN NECESSARILY .
IT’S SIMPLY A LINE ITEM IN PEOPLE’S DOESN’T BUDGES AND
THAT’S BUDGETS AND THAT HAS TO STOP.
THAT I ARE VI THEY ARE THEY ARE VITAL TO THE CITIES
TREES AND THE BODY IS HERE TO PROTECT THIS .
I HOPE YOU SUPPORT MY MOTIONS. » SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MATLOW.
» COUNCILLOR MATLOW: MADAME SPEAKER, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY
SUPPORT OF AND MY GRATITUDE TO BOTH COUNCILLORING ERLORS FOLLOW
FILION AND ROBINSON FOR THEIR LOAD LEADERSHIP ON THIS
IMPORTANT ISSUE. THIS ABSOLUTELY REFLECTS A PRYIE
ORITY OF THE RESIDENTS OF TORONTO SAINT PAULS.
ON BE-OHALF OUR OUN XHIE COMMUNITY I WANT TO EXPRESS MY
YOU PRESHUATION TO THE APPRECIATION TO TO THE BOTH OF
THEM FOR PUTTING A FOCUS ON THIS PRIORITY AND ENSUREING THAT’S
PART OF WHAT WE WILL DO GOING FORWARD .
SO THANK YOU . » SPEAKER: MOTION BY KOIMER
FILION. ALL IN FAVOR?
RECORDED VOTE. » SPEAKER: MOTION BY COUNCILLOR
FILION. ALL IN FAVOR?
RECORDED VOTE. » THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS
LY, 21234 FAVORS1 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: MOTION BY COUNCILLOR
ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR?
RECORDED VOTE . » » THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS
LY, 21 IN FAVOR . » SPEAKER: ITEM AS AMENDED.
ALL IN FAVOR ? CARRIED . SINCE WE HAVE FORESTRY DO WE
WANT TO JUST GO TO THE OTHER TREE ISSUES SO WE CAN — STAFF COULD LEAD
LEAVE ? OKAY .
PAGE 4, NY 8.34 APPLICATION TO REMOVE A CITY TREE .
COUNCILLOR COLLE, YOU HELD THE ITEM DOWN .
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OH OF STAFF OF STAFF ?
COLLE COLLE COLUMBIA
» CHAIR MCMAHON: DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ?
» COUNCILLOR COLLE: YES . I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO
CLARIFY WHAT THE POLICY IS FOR THE REMOVAL OF A TREE, REQUESTS
REQUEST REMOVAL OF CITY TREE AS A RESULT OF AN APPLICATION
DPRANT GRANTED TO A BUILDER/ DEVELOPER TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD ON
THAT SITE ? WHAT IS THE ROLE OF YOU ARE BEEN
FORECAST RI, URBAN FORECAST RI, OF FORESTRY, OF BUILDING TO GRAN
THAT PERMIT AND WHAT HAPPEN GRANT THAT PERMIT AND WHAT WA
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT TREE? » THERE’S A COMPLICATED ANSWER
TO THAT . I’LL ANSWER IT AT A HIGH LEVEL.
ESSENTIALLY IF A COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT OR TLAD GRANTS A
PERMIT FOR CONSENT OF A PROPERTY AND THERE’S A TREE INVOLVED, IF
THE TREE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THEN THAT RULEING EXCEEDS THE
BYLAW . IF THE TREE IS ON CITY PROPERTY
THEN CITY CAN REFUSE AGAINST GSH — SFIL STILL REFUSE PERMIT.
THE ONLY WAY A PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED IS IF THE CITY STAFF
UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE GENERAL MANAGER AND THE LOCAL
COUNCIL AGREE . LOCAL COUNCILLOR NEEDS TO
AUTHORITY THE REPLACEMENT PLAN . AT THAT POINT WE CAN AUTHORIZE
REMOVALMOVAL OF THAT TREE . DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ?
» COUNCILLOR COLLE: YES, IN PART .
WHAT HAPPENS , YOU KNOW, AS WAS YOU WILL
STRAIT STRAL ILLUSTRATED, THE PERSON SAID THEY COULDN’T
COMMENT ON THE REMROOUFMOVAL OF THE CITY TREE BECAUSE LPAD OR T
LAB HAD MADE A DECISION TO GIVE THEM A MORE PERMIT, THEREFORE
THEY AS A MART OF PRACTICE DO MATTER OF MATTER OF PRACTICE DO
NOT COMMENT ON WHETHER THE TREE SHOULD BE PROTECTED OR NOT.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT ? » THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER,
EVERY SITUATION IS TAKEN AT ITS OWN MERIT .
IF WE’RE GOING TO SPEAK OF THOSE PARTICULARS WE COULD SPEAK
OFFLINE . WHAT HAPPENED IS STAFF WILL
CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT — IN THIS CASE, IN SIMILAR CASES THEY
DENY THE PERMIT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMITTEE
OF ADJUSTMENTS TO REFUSE THE APPLICATION TO THE DAMAGE TO THE
TREE . COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENTS THEN
AGREES WITH CITY STAFF AND DENYS A PERMIT.
THEY APPEAL TO THE APPEAL BOARD WHICH IS A DESIGNATED BOARD BY
THIS COUNCIL. THAT APPEAL BOARD THEN GRANTS,
OVER TURNS THE COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT .
STAFF THEN ARE IN A CONFLICTING POSITION .
THEY HAVE A GRANTED PERMIT FOR IN THIS AREA A CONSENT OF A
PROPERTY BUT IF THEY REFUSE THE LAW MOOUFL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE
TREE THERE’S NO ACCESS INTO THEIR GARAGE .
NORMALLY IT CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH A LOCAL COUNCILLOR .
IN THE CASE WHERE STAFF FEEL LIKE THERE’S GOING TO BE ON
GOING TENSION WHICH HAS BEEN THE CASE IN THE PAST, IT GO EASY ON
FOR SEVERAL GOES ON SEVERAL FOR SEVERAL YEARS .
A HOUSE HAS BEEN DON’TED WHERE ED DEVELOPED BEEN DEVELOPED
WHERE THEY HAVE NO ACCESS . STAFF LOOK IFFING FOR REASONABLE
DECISIONS THAT WILL MAUVE US FOR MAUVE MOVE US FORWARD .
IN THIS CASE THEY LOOK FOR REASONABLE COMPENSATION THAT
WOULD REINVEST SO THE CANOPY WITH NO LOSS.
SO THERE WAS THE — WHAT IS RECOMMENDED IN FRONT OF COUNCIL
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THE STRUCK TRALTURAL VALUE OF THE
FREE TROO TREE AND FIVE REPLACEMENTS.
THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LOSS OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE TREE.
THAT WILL BE IN INVESTED INTO THE CANOPY .
IN THE END THE RETURN ON TIN VESTMENT WORK THE INVESTMENT
WORK OUT IN THE END. HOWEVER, THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE
IN PLACE THAT SHOULD HAVE — WILL BE FOLLOWED IS THAT STAFF
THEN SHOULD REALLY NOT RECOMMEND REMOVAL .
THEY SHOULD ALOULLLOW COUNCIL AND ITS WISDOM OF AUTHORITY TO
DECIDE WHETHER THE CONSENT SHOULD TAKE PLACE OR THE TREE
SHOULD STAY. SO THIS WAS WHAT IS IN FRONT OF
COUNCIL TODAY, WHETHER YOU DECIDE TO KEEP THE TREE AND THAT
WOULD IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT OR ALLOW THE DOMENT TO TAKE
DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE AND HAVE THE TREE REMOVED AND
RECEIVE THE COMPENSATION THAT SHOULD EQUAL ITSELF OUT .
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ? » COUNCILLOR COLLE: YES.
MY TIME IS UP, RIGHT ? » SPEAKER: YOU HAV I HAVE YOU
HAVE ANOTHER 20 SECONDS . » COUNCILLOR COLLE: I’LL LET
COUNCILLOR FILION CARRY ON . » SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR FILION .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU. SIMILAR QUESTION.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, FORESTRY IS ACKNOWLEDGING BUE
INGING BECAUSE THEY DON’T ALWAYS BUT FORESTRY IS ACKNOWLEDGEING
THAT THE LPAT AND THE TLAB HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER CITY TREES?
» THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER, THAT’S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: OKAY. SO IN THIS — I’LL GO TO THIS
INSTANCE JUST BECAUSE IT’S BEFORE US .
SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A HEALTHY TREE, URBAN
FORESTRY STAFF TAKE THE POTION IT’S POSITION IT’S A HEALTHY
TREE, IT SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED AND THEY TAKE THAT POSITION
PRIOR TO THE PLANNING DECISIONS .
THEN OUTSIDE BODIES, WHICH HAVE NO JURISDICTION, OVER CITY TREES
OR AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT HAS NO JURY DICTION JURISDICTION OVER
CITY TREES DECIDES TO APROOF THE DEVELOPMENTPPROVE THE
DEVELOPMENT YOU THEN HAVE URBAN FORESTRY CHANGE ITS POSITION AND
SAY, OH, WELL, THE TREE SHOULD B SHOULD COME DOWN NOW BECAUSE THE
PROVINCIALLY APPOINTED OUTSIDE BODY THAT HAS OR IN THIS CASE
THE CITY APPOINTED OUTSIDE BODY THAT HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER
CITY TREES HAS APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT .
SO SHOULD THAT OF HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED HERE, SHOULD THAT
HAVE HAPPENED ? » THROUGH YOU, MA. SPEAKER, E
MADAME SPEAKER, THE DIRECTION I HAVE GIVEN TO STAFF IS THAT THAT
SHOULDN’T HAPPEN . HOWEVER, IT’S NOT TO SAY THAT IT
MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE . WE WOULD WORK WITH THE LOCAL
COUNCILLOR . THIS
WE WOULD DETERMINE WHAT’S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY
ITY AND THEY T AND THE URBAN FOREST .
RIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE COULD HAVE GONE BOTH WAYS.
THAT’S THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. BUT, AGAIN, THE LOCAL
COUNCILLORS POSITION, WHO REPRESENTS HIS OR HER
CONSTITUENTS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO URBAN FORESTRY’S DECISION
MAKING PROCESS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT
CAN GO BOTH WAYS. » COUNCILLOR FILION: OR URBAN FORESTRY IS IN
THE TREE PROTECTION BUSINESS . SO I COULD UNDERSTAND IF THE
BUILDER APPEALS TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DECIDES OKAY WE’RE GOING
TO ALLOW REMOVAL OF THE TREE HERE BUT WHY WOULD URBAN
FORESTRY CHANGE ITS POSITION ? THAT’S WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND.
» JUST THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER, I THINK THE COMPLEXITY
ESPECIALLY ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AS I’VE REVIEWED IT IS STAFF ARE — YOU KNOW, FOR
THE MOST PART STUCK IN THE MILD L MIDDLE OF ACONFLICTS APPEALS
CONFLICTING AND APPEALS POSSESSES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT
GOING FORWARD. SO I THINK STAFF USED THEIR BEST
JUDGEMENT IN TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FROM THE
PROTECTION OF TREES PER SPECK SPIFSPECTIVE BY ALLOWING FOR THE
REMROOUFL OF THEMOVAL OF THE TREE YET ENSUREING THAT THE
APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT FREES AND PLANTINGSINGS ARE REQUIRED
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY OF
ADJUSTMENT AND THE APPEALS PROCESS. SO AS MR. DOYLE HAS
INDEPENDENTICATEEPENDENTICATED, THESE ARE NOT EASY DECISIONS TO
MAKE. ALL WITH CONFLICTING YOU KNOW,
APPROVALS PROCESSES. WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS
LEGAL AND OUR COLLEAGUES IN LEGAL AROUND HOW TO CLARIFY SOME
OF THOSE PROCESSES MOVEING FORWARD SO THAT WE’RE NOT IN
THAT CON FLIKS STATE FLIKS STIT FLIKS CONFLICT .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: I’M NOT GETTING AN ANSWER WHETHER THERE
WAS A GLITCH WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AND IF WHAT
HAPPENED SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED OR WHETHER IT’S
COMPLETELY OKAY ? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, I THINK STAFF USED THEIR BEST
JUDGEMENT GIVEN THE SITUATION AT HAND .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: SO I’M JUST — WITH THE MINUTE THAT’S
LEFT, SORZ SO I DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT SO YOU’LL HAVE TO HELP ME
WITH IT . URBAN FORESTRY’S JOB IS TO
PROTECT TREES . RIGHT ?
THEY — SO WHY WOULD — IF THERE’S A TREE AND URBAN
FORESTRY SAYS IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED, WHY WOULD THAT
OPINION CHANGE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS NO JURISDICTION
OVER THAT TREE SAYS WE’RE GOING THE APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT ?
» I AGREE, YOU ARE BONN FORESTRY IS TO URBAN FORESTRY IS TO
PROTECT TREES. WE ALSO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT
WE’RE WORKING WITH THE PROCESSES ACROSS THE CITY TO SUPPORT
WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, PROCESSES ARE MOVING FORWARD .
I THINK STAFF DID THEIR BEST JUDGEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR
CASE AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT WASN’T DECISIONS THAT THE
LOCAL COUNCILLOR OR THE CONSTITUENTS AGREED WITH AND AS
MR. DOYLE HAS INDICATED, CONTRARY TO THAT IT’S SERVE
CERTAINLY COUNCIL’S DISGREG CRETION TO REVERSION THAT
DECISION. » SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: I’M GOING
TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. I THINK THE FIRST TO THE SOLICITOR AND
THEN OF THE PLANNING STAFF JUST SO I CAN GET SOME INFORMATION,
RECOGNIZEING THIS THIS IS IS AN ADDRESS IN NORTH WORK AND THE
CONCEPT THROUGH YOU TO THE SOLICITOR.
SO I GUESS WE WILL BE IN A SITUATION HERE WHERE THERE’S
SOME AIL PROOUFL PROOULS APPROVALPPROVALS FOR GOMENT
DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE, CONTENTSENT AND THE CHANGEING OF
HOME AND NOW WE’RE DEALING WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY IMMEDIATELY IF
FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IN FRONT IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY.
IN ORDER FOR THIS THOMEN DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN AS PLANNED
AND APPROVED THE TREE IS THERE AND CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE ABOVE
BYLAWS WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE AE MOOUFL REMOVAL OF THE
TREE. IF WE TURN IT DOWN WHERE DOES
THAT LEAVE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ?
WHAT COULD THEY DO SNEKS NEXT ? I KNOW WE CAN’T PREDICT WHAT
THEY WOULD DO NEXT . I GUESS THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO
GIVING UP ON THEIR PLANS TO DEVELOP OR COULD THEY DO
SOMETHING ELSE, COULD THEY TAKE US TO COURT ?
» MADAME SPEAKER, AS A GENERAL MANAGER HAS INTD CALIFORNI
INDICATED THERE’S A ITCH ISUATION SITUATION WHERE THERE’S
CONFLICTING APPROVAL PROCESSES . CERTAINLY WE CAN NEVER PREDICT
WHEN SOMEONE WOULD USE — TRY TO USE THE COURTS TO RESOLVE
DISPUTES. IT’S NOT OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF RESPONSIBILITY
POSSIBILITY . CERTAIN THINKLY LLY THERE’S
OTHER WAYS TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES .
HOLLYWOOD HOLLYWOOD THERE’S » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THERE’S
OTHER WAYS BECAUSE\IT COULD BE BUT IT COULD BE THE SPEA COURTS.
TO THE CHIEF PLANNER, I SEE THAT THERE’S A TLAB APPEAL AND A CITY
OF ADJUSTMENT APPLICATION FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT AND A CONSENT .
FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, DID WSH — WERE FROM FROM THERE ANY
OBJECTIONS FROM THE CITY OR IS THE DEVELOPMENT OTHER WISE
SUPPORTED BY CITY PLANNING? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, I DO NOT
HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE — WHEN THE MATTER WOULD GO TO
COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THE BOTH THE CONTENT AENTDSENT AND
ANY ASSOCIATED MINOR VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FA
CILITATE A DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE APPLICATION
WOULD BE REVIEWED BY PLANNING AND URBAN FORESTRY .
AND IF THERE WERE ISSUES, THOSE ISSUES WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHTH
TO ATTENTION OF THE COMMITTE TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMITTEE
OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE FIRST INSTANCE .
THE COMMITTEE WOULD MAKE ITS DECISION.
ON APPEAL THE LD TLAB WOULD DR CONSIDER THOSE.
I DON’T HAVE THE BACKGROUND SPECIFIES SPECIFICALLY.
THE TLAB HAVING DUALLY CONSIDERED IT APPROVED BOTH THE
CONSENT AND THE MIENOR VARIANCE APPLY L INDICATIONS.
WHAT’S LLILY INDICATIONS. WHAT’SY LY L APPLICATIONS.
OHHEN . ON A SINGLE LOT WHERE THERE’S A
LAND KWIGS DIVISION THE CONFLICT THAT E WITH CAME T WE THAT WE
CAME TO BECAUSE THERE THAT HAS HAS TO BE A DRIVEWAY TO SERVICE
THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS AND THE DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY AND THE TREE
LOCATION, THE EXISTING CITY TREE LOCATION ARE IN CONFLICT.
THERE EVIDENTLY WAS NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO RECONCILE THOSE TWO
COMPOTEEPETEING OBJECTIVES . IDEALLY IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT YOU
WOULD WANT TO POSITION A DRIVEWAY IN A WAY THAT WOULD
AVOID THE CITY TREE AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY, EVERYTHING
ELSE ASSUMESING. OR IN THIS CASE I ASSUME WE
WOULD LOSE THE CITY TREE BUT REPLACE IT WITH PERHAPS THE
STREET TRAES TO MITT TREES TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF LOSINGS
THEEING THE TREE . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: YOU
SEARCHED FOR A STAFF REPORT LIKE I DID FROM PLANNING THAT RAISED
CONCERNS ON THIS? » NOT IN THE LAST FIVE MINUTES
. » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: I DON’T
MUTE TO PU MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
IF STAFF HAS AN OBJECTION TO, YOU KNOW, COB CONTENSENT OR
SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY OF ADJUSTMENT THE
NORMAL VEHICLE IS A REPORT WOULD BE PREPARED AND WE COULD
PROBABLY DO A SEARCH AND FIND IT BUT NEITHER YOU NOR I COULD FIND
THAT? »
» THAT’S CORRECT . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: OUT OF
PRINCIPLE, THE COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE TLAB ARE THEY
NOT DELEGATIONS OF AUTHORITY FROM COUNCIL CONCEPTIONLY ?
YES . HOL MILLION RATHER
» COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: WE DELL EGATE TO BODIES THAT HAVE GONE
THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE DECISIONS ?
DMRSZ THAT’S CORRECTED A » THAT’S CORRECT AND THEY ARE
SUPPORTED BY INFORMATION PROVIDE D BY STAFF IN MAKING THEIR
DECISION . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THANK YOU .
» SPEAKER: COUNCILINGER ROBINSON E COUNCILLOR ROBINSON
. » COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. IT’S A LITTLE BIT RELATED TO THE LAST
ITEM AS WELL BUT I WANTED TO ASK A REQUEST ABOUT THE DECLARATION
TO URBAN FORESTRY FOR THE REVIEW OF TREE RELATED MATTERS .
IS THAT DONE AT WHAT POINT IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS?
WHEN IS THAT CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE ?
IN THAT PROCESS OF THE BUILDING PERMIT BEING SH ISSUED.
» THROUGH YOU, MADAME SPEAKER, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR A BUILDING
PERMIT AT THAT POINT WHEN THE ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMIT WITH
THEIR DRAWING THEY GIVE THEM THE TREE DECLARATION .
THAT’S WHEN THE HOMEOWNER OR THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT THEY
HAVE TO DECLARE WHETHER A TREE IS IN CONFLICT AND THAT
INFORMATION ON THAT DECLARATION IS TO CONVERSE WITH FORESTRY .
» COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: SO WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL TO
DIRECT THE DIRECTOR OF TORONTO BILLING TO BUILDING TO CONSIDER
SDISH CIRCULATES THE TREE DECLARATION TO UR URBAN FORESTRY
PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT?
SDLS » THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER,
THEY DO CIRCULATE ALL THE TREE DECLARATIONS TO URBAN FORESTRY .
IT DOES NOT — BECAUSE ON TEARAR TARIO BUILDING CODE, I WOULD
RATHER ASK THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICER TO ANSWER THIS BUT THE
ONTARIO BUILDING CODE DOES NOT SEE TREES AS AN APPLICABLE LAW
THEREFORE THEY CAN’T WITH HOLD THE PERMIT .
TREES ARE NOT APPLICABLE LAW. SO ALL THEY CAN DO — GREAT
COOPERATION . THEY CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT THE
CITY HAS BYLAWS RESPECTING TREES AND THAT ITS PERMIT IS CONDITION
ED ON THEM SATISFYING URBAN FORESTRY.
THAT’S WHERE WE GET INTO THE POSITION OF NEGOTIATEING FOOT
PRIPTSPRINTS. IT’S WHEN THEY DON’T SATISFY THAT WE GO THROUGH
THE POSITION OF ENFORCEMENT . » COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: I GUESS
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOMETHING AS A COUNCIL WE COULD
DO TO ASSIST THAT PROCESS IN CREATING SOME CLARIFY AROUNDIRE
RITY AROUND THAT PROCESS AND THE RUNNING ORDER IT OF IT AND THE
TIMING AND THE — I GUESS THE STAGING ?
» THROUGH YOU, MA SPEAKER SALESPEOPLE EDAME SPEAKER, I
WOULD DIRECT ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS TO BUILDINGS BECAUSE
IT’S REALLY UP TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHETHER OR NOT THEY
CAN CIRCULATE PRIOR TO US LIKE THE COMMITTEE OF ADD JUSTMENT
WOULD ADJUSTMENT WOULD . WE’RE NOT APPLICABLE LAW SO IT
WOULD REALLY BE THE CHIEF BUILDING INING OFFICER TO ANSWER
THOSE QUESTIONS . » COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: IS THE
CHIEF BUILDING OFFICER IN THE CHAMBER ?
> » SPEAKER: NO .
LET’S MOVE ALONG. WE WANT TO GET THIS AGENDA DONE
TODAY. COUNCILLOR ERLOR COLLE ELOR ELOR
COLLE, YOU HELD ITEM DOWN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ?
COUNCILLOR COLLE ? COUNCILLOR COLLE.
» COUNCILLOR COLLE: WELL, THIS IS A LITTLE TREE, OKAY, BUT IT’S
AN IMPORTANT LITTLE TREE . I REALLY AM VERY GLAD THAT
COUNCILLOR FILION, COUNCILLOR ER LOR ELOR ROBINSON ARE BRINGING
OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TREE BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS AN ABILITY OF URBAN FORESTRY AND
COUNCIL TO REALLY ENSURE THAT THE PROFECTION OF ATECTION OF A
TREE, A CITY-OWNED TREE IN THE CASE IS GIVEN A FULL AND
COMPLETE REPORT FROM URBAN FORESTRY THAT IS NOT OVER RIDDEN
BY COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT, NOT OVER RIDDEN BY TLAB, LPAD, OMB,
SKROURT, SUPREME COURT, WHATEVER IT IS .
IT IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH A PRESIDENT .
THAT’S WHY I THINK YESTERDAY A MOTION RELATED TO THIS IS GOING
TO GO TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO THE CLARIFY THIS WHOLE ISSUE
. CERTAINLY PEOPLE ARE BEING
REASONABLE I THINK IN KNOWS THAT A BUILDER IN THIS ERING THAT A
BUILDER IN THIS CASE WANTED A CITY LOT AND THEY WANTED DRI ED
ED DRIVEWAYS . IT SHOULDN’T BE AN AUTOMATIC
THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT A DRIVEWAY OR TWO DRIVEWAYS AND SEVERAL
LOTS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO COMMITTE COMMITTEE OF
ADJUSTMENT, GO TO ANOTHER TRIBUNAL AND OVER RIDE OUR TREE
PROTECTION BILAW ENFORCEMENT. LASTYLAW. THAT’S WHAT IS AT
STEAK STALK HERE. IT’S NOT STAKE HERE. IT’S NOT JUST THIS
ONE LITTLE TREE ON 116 BRIAR HILL, THIS FREE MANMAN MAPLE
THAT’S AN IMPORTANT SPREE SPREES SPECIES, A SILVER MAPLE AND A
RED MAPLE. IT’S ALL ABOUT SAYING THAT CUTTING DOWN CITY
TREES TO ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE GIVEN SOME REALLY
SERIOUS THOUGHT . THIS SHOULDN’T BE JUST BECAUSE
COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT MADE A DECISION THAT ALL THE SUDDEN
URBAN FORESTRY STEPS ASIDE . BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY KNOW — I
MEAN, IN MY WARD I GET ABOUT 15 COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS
EVERY TWO WEEKS . WE CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE
RUBBER STAMPING OF ALL THIS INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT TAKES
PLACE UP ABOUT AND DOWN EVERY STREET BY THE COMMITTEE OF
ADJUSTMENT . LIKE OFFICIAL PLAN, SECONDARY
PLAN, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY AT THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE OF
ADJUSTMENT EVER LOOKS AT THEM . THE DEVELOPERS SEEM TO GET
EVERYTHING THEY WANT. SO FOR US TO COUNCILLORS OF THE
COMMUNITY TO DEMENDPEND ON THE COMMITTEE OFFED A JUSTMENT TO PR
EFED ADJUSTMENT E ADJUSTMENT FORGET ABOUT IT. THEY ARE BUILD
ING INGING MONSTER HOMES, IN DOOR SWIMMING POOLS, CUTTING
DOWN TREES, FEPSSing FEPS FENCE S, WALLS IN THE BACK .
SO LET’S KEEP SOME CONTROL OVER OUR ANLT TO ABILITY TO PROTECT
CITY TREES. FROM AUTOMATIC REMOVAL BY AN UN
HEELECTED BODY’S DWEGS, WHETHER DEINGS DECISION, ALL THOSE I
LISTED BEFORE . THAT’S WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE .
I KNOW PEOPLE SAY IT’S JUST A TREE, WHO E IR KAS. KAURS. IT
IS CARES. IT’S AN IMPORTANT PRINCIPLEEIPAL OF US BEING ABLE
TO ENSURE OUR URBAN FORESTRY EXPERTS.
THEY ARE IN A FIGHT SPOT TIGHT SPOT AS OUR STAFF MENTIONED .
THEY ARE CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE OR WHATEVER IT
IS . THEY REALLY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO
NAVIGATE THESE THINGS . IT HAS
IT’S BUZZ OF THE CONFLICT BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTING
ORDNANCES FROM CITY COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT, PLANNING OVERSIGHTS.
I THINK THROUGH WHAT WENT ON AT NORTH YORK COMMUNITY COUNCIL
LAST WEEK AND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE TODAY AND WHAT WE’LL DO AT
COMMITTEE FURTHER TO CLARIFY THIS, I THINK WE WILL COME UP
WITH A VERY RACIAL APPROACH RATIONAL APE APPROACH TO ENSURD
APPROACH TO ENSURING THAT OUR TREES G ET A GET A FAIR HEARING
BEFORE THEY ARE CUT DAWN DOWN BECAUSE OF SOMEONE WANTING TO
SEVERAL A LOT SEVER A LOT. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT
TO BILL AND THEY CERTAINLY LY BUILD AND THEY SEEM B TO BUILD
ING EVERYWHERE. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY STOP
BUILDING IN THE CITY ANYMORE. SO THIS IS ABOUT STANDING UP AND
SAYING, LISTEN, WE NEED SOME KIND OF INTEGRITY IN OUR PROCESS
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE URBAN FORESTRY HAS A SIGNIFICANT ROLE
NO MATTER WHAT THE COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT SAYS, RULES AND ALL
THE OTHER TRIBUNALS WHICH OVER RULE EVERYTHING WE DO AROUND
HERE. THANK YOU .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . COUNCILLOR FILION TO SPEAK.
» COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU .
FIRST OF ALL I SUPPORT COUNCIL LOR COLLE AND THIS IS IN HIS
WARD . IN PRESERVING THIS TREE .
I WILL CONCEDE THAT THERE’S ANOTHER ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, A
CONTRARY ARGUMENT WHICH COUNCIL LOR HOLYDAY I’M SURE WILL GIVE .
I MUCH PREFER TO TAKE THE ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF PRESERVING
THE TREE . WHAT AISLE I’M REALLY CONCERNED
ABOUT HERE IS THE ISSUE OF THE POSITION OF URBAN FORESTRY .
WHEN — YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS BACK I WENT UP TO A VERY TALL
SPOT TO LOOK OVER WILL LOW WILL OW DALE AND IT WAS REALLY
REMARKABLE HOW YOU COULD BASICALLY DID LEANUATE WITHOUT
DELYNN YACHT WITHOUT HAVINILENI ATE.
THIS WAS THIS HUGE AREA OF AGRE GREEN AND WHEN YOU LOOKED
FURTHER IN ANY DIRECTION YOU ISN’T DIDN’T SEE THAT ANYMORE.
SO THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT THE TREES AND WILL
OW DALE . IF YOU LOOK FROM THE SAME PLACE
NOW YOU DON’T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THE SAME TREE REPUBLICACANOPY
AND THAT IS IN PART BECAUSE OF AGEING TREE AND HAVING TO PLANT
NEW ONES WHERE SOME HAVE FALLEN OVER IN A STORM OR WHATEVER .
BUT IT IS MORE THE CASE BECAUSE OF NEW HOME DON
INSTRUCTIO CONSTRUCTION AND TREES NOT BEING PROTECTED DURING
NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION . THOSE TREES E VEPVENTUALLY
EITHER US GIVING PERMISSION TO REMOVE THEM OR THERE’S THEY’RE
SO DAMAGED THEY END UP DYING AND GETTING REMOVED.
SO IT’S A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY
WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF HOME CONSTRUCTION OR MAJOR HOME END
INVITATION RENOVATION . WHAT BOTHERS ME WITH THIS ONE IS
THE CALL THAT URBAN FORESTRY MADE .
IN MY VIEW, URBAN FORESTRY SHOULD BE STICKING UP FOR THE
TREE CANOPY BECAUSE OF URBAN FORESTRY DOESN’T WHO IS DOING TO
. WE KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE OF
ADJUSTMENT DOESN’T . WE KNOW THAT THE TLAB DOESN’T.
WE SURE AS HECK KNOW THAT THE BUILDERS DON’T .
THE TREES ARE JUST IN THEIR WAY .
SO IF WE DON’T HAVE SOME DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT
STICKS UP FOR HEALTHY, MATURE TREES THEN WHO IS GOING TO ?
IT FALLS TO THE COUNCILLOR IN THIS CASE COUNCILLOR COLLE AND
THE REBT RESIDENTS IN THE AREA TO STAND UP FOR THE TREE .
SO THAT’S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE .
I WILL CERTAINLY BE VOTEING WITH COUNCILLOR COLLE TO PRESERVE
THIS TREE BUT THE MAIN THING I HOPE COMES FROM IT IS THAT URBAN
FORESTRY GET MUCH MORE DILIGENT ABOUT TRYING TO PROJECTTECT THE
CITY TREE CANOPY. THANK YOU . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY . » COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THANK YOU
, MADAME SPEAKER . I WONDER IF COUNCIL WOULD AGREE
TO NAME THE TREE LEFT HAPPENEDED MAPL E LEFT-HANDED MAPLE. IT’S
A GOOD LITTLE SOLDIER. THAT’S THE POSITION THIS TREE HAS BEEN
POT PUT IN . IT’S BEEN PUT TO THE FRONT LINES
BY COUNCIL . THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING
DISCUSSION TODAY . I DIDN’T ANTICIPATE IT .
WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS SOMEBODY THAT WANTED EED THE
PROPERTY, WHETHER I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH IT OR
NOT, IT DOESN’T MATTER . IT’S GONE THROUGH COMMUNITY OF
ADJUSTMENT AND THROUGH TLAB. THOSE ARE OUR DELL GETSEGATES.
COUNCIL GENT DOESN’T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WE GET THE BODIES TO
DO IT FOR US. WE ONE HERE ALL DAY MAKING
DECISION ABOUT CONSENT, SIZE OF PROPERTIES AND SET BACKS AND SO
ON. THE EVIDENCE I HEARD SHOWS THAT
I DON’T THINK THERE WAS A PLANNING CONCERN ON THIS.
I WOUND WONDERED MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A LOCAL CONCERN ABOUT
FEELINGS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. HERE WE ARE IN A SITUATION
THROUGH SOME INCONSISTENCYIES IN THE RULES.
I THINK THAT COUNCILLOR COLLE IS RIGHT .
WE NEED TO FIX THIS IR RECOGNIZE SIGHABLEKCOGNIZE SIABLE TWO
DIFFERENT SETS OF LAWS . WHAT I AM RN CANNED ABOUT I
CONCERNED ABOUT FRUSTRATEING A DEVELOPMENT FROM GOING FORWARD
THAT’S LAWFULLY IN A POSITION TO GO FORWARD BY SAYING NO TO
REMOVAL OF A TREE . I MEAN, I’M SURE WE’LL GRANT A
CURVE CUT IN A HEART BEAT OR WE WOULD GRANT THE PERMISSION TO
ALLOW SOMEBODY TO PUT A DRIVEWAY OVER THE RIGHT OF WAY .
WHY WE WOULDN’T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE REMOVAL OF A TREE NOT
LODGE CAM. IF YOU DIGICAL .
IF A NEIGHBORHOOD SAID WE’RE TIRED OF THE CONSENT RS WE DON’T
, WE DON’T WANT ANYTHING ELSE BUILD IN BUILT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE ANSWER TO PLANT A PILE OF TREES IN THE
TRATH OF WAY AN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND STOP DPROMEN DEVELOPMENT SO
WE HAVE THAT LEVER . THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS WOULD
BE TO PASS RIG LOUSE RIGOROUS BYLAWS SAYING YOU CAN’T DO THIS
ANYMORE AND HOLD THE LINE FROM PA PERSPECTIV SPEK PERSPECTIVE
AS A COUNCIL . I DON’T AUN SENSE THIS COUNCIL
HAS THE APPETITE TO DO THAT . SO WE’RE IN THIS THIS PROCESS OF
THESE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THEY GO
THROUGH . RZ
I’M NOT GUILTY GOING TO SUPPORT THI NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS
OUT OF PRINCIPLE. IT’S NOT SENSITIVITY TO THE
COUNCILLOR. THEY MAY HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ON
THIS GOMENT DEVELOPMENT OR THE TREE AND I RESPECT THAT.
LOOKING AT THE PROCESS ON THIS, I’M NOT SURE THAT I WANT TO ASK
THIS TREE TO BE OUR LITTLE SOLDIER TO HOLD THE LINE ON THIS
DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED ALL THE
PROCESSES . HERE WE ARE WITH THIS RIGHT
BEFORE US AND IT JUST DOESN’T SEEM LOGICAL THAT WE WOULDN’T
FOLLOW THROUGH ON APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APROVEPPROVED .
ANYWAYS, YOU KNOW, I HOPE COUNCIL WILL GIVE SOME
CONSIDERATION TO THIS . I THINK IF THIS THING WENT
FURTHER INTO COURT I’M NOT SURE WE WOULD WIN .
THANK YOU . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU .
OKAY. WE’LL VOTE ON THE ITEM.
COUNCILLOR ROBINSON . ROBE
» COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER .
I’LL JUST BE 30 SECONDS ON THIS. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT .
I THINK WE ALL THINK IT’S IMPORTANT .
SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT NO ONE IS IN A BETTER POSITION TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE TREE CANOPY ACROSS THE CITY
BUT PARTICULARLY OUR SPECIFIC WARDS .
NO ONE IS IN A BETTER POSITION THAN CITY COUNCILLORS .
WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING CURRENTLY IN OUR WARDS RELATED
TO THE TREE CANOPY. WE ALSO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE
PIPELINE . IT’S A REAL SNAPSHOT, REAL
BURDENS BIRDS EYE YEA OF WHAT IS HAPPENING VIEW OF WHAT IS
HAPPENING, NOT JUST FROM EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS THAT OFTEN AFFECT
TREES BUT ALSO DEVELOPMENT . MANY OF US HAVE A LOT OF THAT
HAPPENING AND THE VICTIM OFTEN SEEMS TO BE THE TREE AND AS WE
KNOW TREES ARE LUNGS IN THIS CITY .
SO I JUST THINK IT’S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE LISTEN TO THE
LOCAL CITY COUNCILLORS ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THEY’RE IN THE
BEST POSITION TO ADVICE US AND I ALSO THINK AS A BIG PICTURE ITEM
I’LL PUT THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL ON NOTICE THAT I WILL
BE COMING TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT REALLY THE PROCESS OF
CIRCULATING THE TREE DECLARATION TO URBAN FORESTRY FOR THE REVIEW
OF TREE RELATED MATTERS FRIAR PROO IR TO THE PRIESH TO THE
PRIERN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO I WILL BE LOOK BING AT THAT ISSUE MORE THOER MORE THOUGH ROY
ROUGHLY . » SPEAKER: ON THE IETEM, ALL IN
FAVOR ? RECORDED VOTE. SDMRSZ ITEME
» ITEM ADOOPTDDAPTED 17- EDDOPT DOPTED 17-2.
» SPEAKER: NEXT . COUNCILLOR MATLOW, YOU HELD THE
ITEM DOWN. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ?
KOIMER MATLOT E KOIMER PLAT E
COUNCILLOR PLAT ERLOR MATT ROW LOW ?
THIS IS ON PAGE 3 PH 8.8. THE AUDITOR GENERAL’S
RECOMMENDATION ON REGARDING SECTION 37 AND SECTION 45 .
NO QUESTIONS ? COUNCILLOR MATLOW ERLOR ELOR LOW
TO ELOR MATLOW TO SPEAK . MATT MATTED I WOULD» COUNCILLOR
MATLOW: ELEVATORED LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS FOR ONE
CYCLE. COUNCILLOR BYLAW ERLOR BOIL ER
LOR BAILAO ? IT’S ON PLANNING AND GROWTH.
GO AHEAD . STORY .
» COUNCILLOR MATLOW: JUST ONE LINE.
YOU’RE RIGHT. YOU’RE RIGHT .
YOU’RE RIGHT. SO I’LL SAY AS MUCH AS I CAN
OUTSIDE OF THE COME FE DENTAL CONFIDENTIAL ATTACHMENT .
I CAN’T ACTUALLY HEAR MUCH RIGHT NOW SPEAKER.
» SPEAKER: CAN I HAVE SOME QUIET, PLEASE .
» COUNCILLOR MATLOW: THANK YOU .
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY — I’LL SAY AS MUCH I CAN WITHOUT SPEAK
ING DIRECTLY TO THE CONFIDENTIAL ATTACHMENT.
WHAT IS IN THE PUBLIC VERSION THAT FOR MANY YEARS AS WE ALL
KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ACHIEVEING AGREEMENTS WITH DEVELOPMENT
DEVELOPERS TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDS TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, WHETHER
IT BE THROUGH SECTION 37 OR SECTION 42 OF THE PLANNING ACT. THOSE
THOSE DAYS WE UNDERSTAND MAY NOT GO ON FOR MUCH LONGER. IT’S INK
CREDIBLY IMPORTANT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT EVERY PENNY WE ARE
ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITYIES, TO HAVE YOU
BEENING INFRASTRUCTURE, TO PARKS , TO SOCIAL SERVICE S THAT WE DO
. THAT’S OUR JOB.
THAT’S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS .
NO TWOER ER IN OH DEVELOPER
NO DEVELOPER SHOULD ACT AS THE LAW.
IF THERE’S AN AGREEMENT YOU SHOULD HONOR THAT DWOEMENT
AGREEMENT AGREEMENT. I THINK THAT MOST DEVELOPERS
WANT TO BE HONORABLE TO THAT AGREEMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS
IN A WAY THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE READ IN THE
CONFIDENTIAL ATTACHMENT . I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IF
WE DEFER THIS FOR ONE MONTH THAT THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY IN THE
CITY’S COPPERS THAN THERE WOULD IF WE SUPPORTED THE CONFIDENTIAL
ATAPMENTTTACHMENT TODAY . IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO IS
ME ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS OFFLINE, I’M VERY HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT
WITH YOU . I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A VERY
REAL OPPORTUNITY TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS AND HAVE MORE FUND TOWARDS
OURS TOWARDS OUR PRIORITYIES IF WE DEFER IT FOR ONE MONTH THAN
SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY .
I SHOULD JUST MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, THERE’S NO LOSS IN DOING
THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OF YOU HAVE
READ I EXPECT THE CONFIDENTIAL ATTACHMENT .
YOU KNOW THAT WHETHER WE DO THAT NOW OR DO THAT NEXT MONTH IT
DOESN’T ACTUALLY MATTER . IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL .
BUT IF YOU GIVE IT ONE MONTH I’M GIVING YOU MY ASSURANCE, NOT
THAT I KNOW THAT WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BUT I THINK THAT
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOME OF THE — SOME OF THE
SUBJECTS OF OUR CONCERN TO IM PROVE OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION .
I’M SPEAKING THAT WAY ONLY BECAUSE I’M TRYING TO YOU CAN
THAT AROUND THE TALK AROUND THE CON FIP DENTALFIDENTIAL
ATTACHMENTS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND. IF YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE FAITH
IN WHAT I’M SUNLIGHTING ING SUGGESTING TO YOU I WOULD
APREVENPRESH UNITE YOURPPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. » I UNDERSTAND THAT IT’S A CON
FIDENTIAL . YOU MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION THAT
MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO STAFF TO MAYBE SECURE SOME MORE FUNDS .
» THANK YOU . » IS THAT IT ?
» SO STAFF AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION EXTENSIVELY AND WE
BELIEVE THAT THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE FUNDS TO GO
INTO THE CITY TO DO MORE THINGS. » ON A SPECIFIC THING THAT’S ON
THE CONFIDENTIAL REPORT THERE ? » THAT I CAN’T DISCUSS .
» YEAH. THANK YOU .
» ON THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED . SCA L. ASHGA 8.4 .
SCARBOROUGH COMMUNITY COUNCIL . COUNCILLOR ERLOR KRAU ELOR
CRAWFORD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
QUESTIONS OF STAFF. KRAU
» COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: I JUST WANT TO ON THE OVER ALL PROJECT,
IT CAME TO COUNCIL ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND SINCE THEN
THERE’S BEGUN BEEN SOME NUMEROUS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AM L
APPLICATION. YOU JUNIPERO SERRA WANT TO GO I JUST WANT TO GO
OVER WITH THEM . AS PART OF THE APPLICATION WE
HAVE A NEW PARK 11,00, 1200 PARK METER PARK GOING INTO THIS
APPLICATION OR SITE, IS THAT CORRECT ?
SDMRSZ THAT’S MY UNDERSTAN» THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING .
» COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: IT’S 2% OVER THE DEDICATION THAT’S REFIR
QUIRED? SFWLSZ YES
» YES . KRAU WU WE’RE NO
KRAU THE ORIGINAL NA » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: THE
ORIGINAL PLAN HAD A 3 METER SET BACK AND THIS ONE IS 5.
BEING ON EGLINTON THIS IS THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OF THE EGLINTON
EAST LRT AND THERE’S BEEN SOME BACK AN FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT
ON SET BACKS IN UPWARDS OF 5 METERS, 8 METERS, 12 MEET, TERS
. HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET
A SPECIFIC NUMBER DOWN . ON EGLINTON IT’S ABOUT DOOSH DO
YOU KNOW DOOSH DO YOU KNOW — DO YOU KNOW THE WIDTH WIDTH OF
EGLINTON ON THAT PORTION OF EGLINTON DOWN THROUGH TORI PARK
WHERE THE TR WILL, RT ? DO YOU KNOW LR LRT IS.
DO YOU KNOW THE WIDTH? » I DON’T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I WOULD IMAGINE IT’S QUITE GENEROUS .
» SPEAKER: » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: THERE’S
SIX LANES ON EGLINTON . SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE APPLICANT PLANNING HAVE BEEN REQUESTING UPWARDS OF A 12 MEET
SET BACK . DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER SET
BACKS ALONG EGLINTON ON THE LRT PORTION THAT WE’RE BUILDING NOW
WHERE THERE’S BEEN DEMANDS OF REQUESTS FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN,
YO YOU KNOW, SAY FIVE METERS THAT’S PRESENTLY BEFORE US?
INTLSZ THROUGH» ? SGRSZ FLU
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER — THERE IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EA NOT
BEING CON MRETED YET FOPLEATED YET FOR THE EGLINTON LRT.
I’VE BEEN ADVISED STAFF HAS BEEN SPEAKING TO APPLICANT ABOUT AN 8
.5 METER SET BACK. IN THE APPLY REPUBLICAN’S
PROPOSAL LILICANT’S PROPOSAL ALOPPING EGLINTONLONG EGLINTON
PROVIDES FOR A FIVE METER SET BACK. IT’S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO
CONCLUDE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION WHEN THE EA HAS NOT BEEN
COMPLETED. COUNCILLOR YOU ARE POINTING OUT
THE VARMEN VARIABLE BLT CONVERSATION .
MY LAST WAS THEY WERE SEEKING 8. 5 METER IN A PRE-EA CHIED KIND
OF MODE THAT WE’RE IF RIGHT NOW .
CROW CROW » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD:
UNDERSTAND IFFING YOUING THAT IF YOU DO THAT, I WAS PREVI TO 12
METER AT SOME POINT. THE IMPACT OF AN 8.5 METER ON
THE SITE AND A JOINING SITE, WOULD WE NUMBER ONE BE LOOKING
AT ANY SORT OF EXPROPUATION APPROPRIATION ON AN
AUDIENCE: JUST ADJOINING SITE. 3 TO 5 METER, THERE’S A EARN IS
POINT CERTAIN POINT WHERE IT’S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT WE CAN
GET THESE SET BACKS. WHEN YOU GET TO 8 TO 12 METERS
THAT REALLY IMPACTS WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON THE SITE .
SO HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT
OR OWNERS ON ACQUIREING OR ANY SORT OF EXPROPUATIONS ON THIS
POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE . »S I CAN ONLY PRO
» I CAN ONLY PROVIDE THROUGH THE SPEAKER THE CONTEXT THAT E WITH
WOULD COMPLETE AN EA ON EGLINTON FOR THAT LRT FACILITY ULTIMATE
LY. THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE BASE
BASIS FOR US INCLUDING IN OUR OFFICIAL PLAN A WIDENING
REQUIREMENT . THEN DEVELOPMENT THAT PROCEEDS
ALONG EGLINTON WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT DEDICATION .
THAT IS THE WAY THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ALIGNS ITS LAND USE DEVELOPMENT
PLANNING. THE DOMEN DEVELOPMENT IS.
COMING IN ADVANCD COMING IN ADVANCE OF ALL OF THAT AND IT
POSES A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IN APPROVEING
THE DEVELOPMENT IN ITS CURRENT FORM IT WILL MAKE THE
INSTALLATION OF THAT FACILITY ULTIMATELY A LITTLE TRICKIER,
NOT SAYING IMPOSSIBLE BUT IT DOES MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGEING
TO INSTALL TRANSIT AFTER DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE.
WE VERY MUCH TRY TO PUT IT IN THE OTHER ORDER IF YOU WILL.
» COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: WITH THE 5 METER SET BACK THAT’S BEFORE
US RG WOULD THAT RG WOULD, US, WOULD THAT JEOPARDIZE EGLINTON
LRT ? » THROUGH THE EBBING SPOOER,
IT’SEAKER, IT’S HARD TO CONCLUSIVELY ANSWER THAT
QUESTION BECAUSE THE EA HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.
WE WERE SEEKING MORE THAN THE 5 MEET RS UP TO 8 PREPONDERATTERS
UP TO 8.5. » COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD: THANK
YOU . » SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FILION .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU .
YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THIS APPLICATION BE REFUSED, IS THAT
CORRECT ? SDMRSZ THROUGH » ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER WE RECOMMENDED IT BE REFUSED IF
JULY 2018. THAT MATTER CAME TO COUNCIL AND
COUNCIL SENT IT BACK TO STAFF ASKING ASKING US TO COME
FORWEREDWARD WITH A BYLAW THAT WOULD PERMIT THE TOWNHOUSE
DEVELOPMENT THAT’S BEEN US IN THE APPLICATION .
STAFF OF COURSE MAINTAIN ITS VIEW THAT THE APPLICATION IS IN
CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL PLAN .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: YOU’RE STILL RECOMMENDING YOUR PRIMARY
RECOMMENDATION IS STILL WE TURN THIS DOWN?
SDLSZ THAT’S OUR» THAT’S OU SGRSZ THAT’S OUR
» THAT’S OUR ADVICE, YES . » COUNCILLOR FILION: I KNOW WE
DON’T HAVE TIME TO EVER COALL OF THIS COVER ALL OF THIS BUT
HOUFRP RESIDENTIAL IF WE WEREC HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL — IF WE
WERE TO FOLLOW THE PLANNIN ING NING PRINCIPLES AT PLACE HERE,
HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL WOULD WE BE ALLOWING ON THIS SITE ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, I DO NOT SPECIFICALLY HAVE THAT NUMBER .
I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD
BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE MORE THAN HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE AND I THINK
MORE IMPORTANTLY –» COUNCILLOR FILION: SORRY .
I’LL COME TO THE DENSITY. JUST ON THE USE .
MY UNDERSTANDING IS RESIDENT IS RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ON THIS SITE
. MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
» I BELIEVE IT’S A MIXED USE DESIGNATION SO I THINK WE’RE
DELLING WITH — WE’RE DEALING WITH THE TYPOLOGY OF THE
DEVELOPMENT . SETTING UP A VISION FOR THE
STREET THAT WOULD SEE ADDITIONAL MID RISE DEVELOP HAPPEN ALONG
THE EGLINTON LINE . » COUNCILLOR FILION: SO I WAS
WOMAN COMEING TO THAT POINT. THIS IS A TRANSIT CORRIDOR .
WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT SHOULD WE BE APPROVEING ALONG A TRANSIT
CORRIDOR ? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, CERTAINLY
IN KEEPING WITH THE CITY’S CURRENT OFFICIAL PLAN AND THE
NEW DWOET GROWTH PLAN, AMENDMENT S FROM THE PROVINCE, WE SHOULD
BE SEEKING HIGHER DENSITIES ALONG THE TRANSIT LOI LINES IN
GENERAL AND THEN CERTAINLY IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT
STATIONS AND THERE WOULD BE ONE AT DANFORTH AND EGLINTON, EVEN
HIGHER DENSITIES IN PROKSTY OF WALKING DISTANCE 500 TO 800
METERS . THIS SITE IS RIGHT AT THE CORNER
. FILL TILL WHAT TYP» COUNCILLOR
FILION: WHAT TYPE OF SENS DENSITYIES WOULD YOU — I
BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL IS SOMETHING LIKE 1.87 .
WHAT WOULD YOU ENVISION AT A SITE LIKE THIS ?
DMRSZ THROUGH THE » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, MID RISE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY AT FOUR, FIVE, SIX TIMES DEPENDING ON THE
SITE AREA, DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION THOSE .
THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE DENSITY LEVELS YOU WOULD SEE IN A MID
RISE DEVELOPMENT . » ING THAT» COUNCILLOR FILION:
FIL . » COUNCILLOR FILION: SOMETHING
THAT WAS TWICE AS DENSE AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED?
» LICK LIE, YES LIKELY, YES . » COUNCILLOR FILION: WHAT ARE
THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE TRES OF THE CIT REST OF THE CITY WHEN WE
ARE INCOST CYSTCONSIST ENLTENT, AT SOME SPOTS WE WILL — WE’LL J
BE INCONSISTENT WHERE WE’LL APPROVALPPROVE DOUBLE THE
DENSITY THAT STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING AND SAY FITTING
WITHIN OUR VISION AN ANOTHER SITE LESS THAN HALF, WHAT DOES
THAT DO TO OTHER SITES ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, IT SDSH IN — IN GENERAL THE
CITY COUNCIL PASSING A VISION THAT’S A LONG RANGE VISION .
WE HOPE AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF TAMES WE ARE MAKEING INKRE MEN
CREMENTAL DECISIONS THAT ADD V. STIVIANOVANCE THIS THIS PLAN.
OVER A LONG TIME OF PERIOD WE SHAPE THE CITY IN THAT WAY .
THESE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS WE’RE MAKEING IN THIS LOCAL AREA
WE’L WILL SET UP AN IMPLEMENT THAT VISION OF AN INTENSIFIED
MAIN STREET AND MANY OF US SEE THOSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, SHOPPING, LOCAL SERVICES THAT SUPPORT THE
VISION FOR DWROET GROWTH IN THE CITY .
» COUNCILLOR FILION: IS THE AFFECT NOT JUST ON THIS SITE BUT
OTHER SIMILAR SITES WHEN WE ARE INCONSISTENT?
» I WOULD SAY THE EFFECT IS THE INCON ZESTKONCONSISTENCY POSES A
CHALLENGE FOR THE LONG TERM IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
VISION. IT WILL FRUSTRATE THAT VISION.
YOU KNOW, TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IN AND OF ITSELF IS DENSITY .
PERHAPS NOW WE WILL UNDER DEVELOP OTHER SITES BECAUSE
WE’VE SET A TONE FOR THAT STRIP THAT IN OUR VIEW IS LESS THAN
WHAT WE COULD IDEALLY ACCOMMODATE ON THAT AREA .
IN THAT AREA . » COUNCILLOR FILION: THANK YOU .
» SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR AINSLEE . » COUNCILLOR AUGIMERI:
» THANK YOU, MA DEEMDAME SPEAKER .
THROUGH YOU TO THE CHIEF PLANNER .
THIS PROPOSAL THAT’S BEFORE US IS THE SECOND TIME IT’S BEEN
HERE . THE FIRST PROPOSAL WAS SIX
BLOCKS OF FOUR STORIES, STACKED TOWNHOUSES UNDER 98 UNITS.
THE CURRENT PROTOCOL PROPOSAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS FIVE BLOCKS
OF FOUR STORY TOWNHOUSES, 182 UNIT YUVENTS UNITS.
SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS HAS GONE DOWN AND I GUESS THE FLOOR SPACE
HAS GONE DOWN BY 3,000 SQUARE METERS ALMOST .
» THAT’S GENERALLY CORRECT, YES .
» SO YOU’RE AND YOURSELF AND YOUR STAFF DOESN’T LIKE THE
PREVIOUS RENT FOUNDATION OF THIS DITIONDITION OF THIS PROPOSAL,
IT’S ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT? » IT’S SLIGHTLY LESS ASS WAS AS
WAS POINTED OUT. IT WAS A PUBLIC PARK.
WE CONTINUE TO HAVE I THINK WHEN COUNCIL SENT IT BACK TO STAFF
THERE WAS ANNEN INSTRUCTION TO LOOK INSTRUCTION TO LOOK AT THE
TOWNHOUSE GUIDELINES AN SEE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH
TOWNHOUSES THAT WE ACHIEVE THE TOWNHOUSE GUIDELINESND AND THERE
ARE STILL SOME DEFICIENCYIES IN THIS OTZ AS A TOWNHOUSE PROJECT
IN TERMS OF SEPARATION DISTANCES AND THE LAY OUT OF THE SITE.
IT’S A TRICKY SITE . IT’S AN L SHAPED SITE AT THE RN
COER OF DANFORTH CORNER OF DANFORTH AND EGLINTON WITH AN
ODD BEND IN IT . IT IS TRICKY TO LAY OUT
TOWNHOUSES ON THE SITE. » WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DIEDLINE
GUIDELINES, THE PREVIOUS RENDITION, THE ONE THAT’S BEFORE
US TODAY, IT DOESN’T MEET THE GUIDELINES OR THE PRARM PRARM
TERS AROUND PARAMETERS THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED RG CORRECT ED,
CORRECT? » NO, IT’S NOT MID RISE
DEVELOPMENT, THAT’S CORRECT. AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN
OUTLINED IN BOTH REPORTS WAS AROUND THE PROVINCIAL POLICY
STATEMENT OF 2014, IT DOESN’T MEET THOSE PRARM TERS EITHER
PRARM PARDON ME STERS EITHER PROGRAMARAMETERS EITHER ?
DPSZ » WE FELT IT WAS NOT CON SISZ
SIST END. WE MAKE DECISIONS IF H IE
LINEMENT IN ALIGNMENT WITH PRO TEN PROVINCIAL POLICY. WE FELT
WE WEREN’T LIVING UP TO THE ME TENL OF THE SITE POTENTIAL OF
THE SITE. » THE OTHER PLAN UPDATING YOU
LIKE THE LOOKIN PLANK YOU LIKE US TO LOOK AT, THE GROWTH PLAN
FOR THE GROET GREATER GOLDEN HORSESHOE OF 2017.
THIS DOESN’T MEET THE PARAMETERS OH OF THAT EITHER ?
» WE FELT THAT IT DIDN’T CON IF YOU REMEMBER WITHFORM WITH THE
SFWENT INTENT. » YOU SEE THERE’S NO — SO THIS
IS POTENTIALLY ON THE EGLINTON EAST LRT IS GOING TO RUN LIGHT
BY THE FRONT DOORSTEP OF THIS APPLICATION .
THERE’S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT ?
» NO, THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSINGSEING .
» OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS
RAISED AT COMMUNITY COUNCIL WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS WAS AROUND
DENSITY AND I UNDERSTAND AND FROM THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS THAT
THE PLANNING STAFF WOULD LIKE MORE DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY .
THE PERSON THAT WAS REPRESENTING THE APPLY KANT LILICANT OR THE
— AND THE DEVELOPER ON THIS SITE WHEN HE WAS QUESTIONED AT
SCARBOROUGH COMMUNITY COUNCIL OUT LINED THE FACT THAT IF WE
DIDN’T HAVE THESE STACKED TOWNHOUSES AND WENT FOR LIKE AN
8 STORY BUILDING OR 9 STORY BUILDING SOMETHING THAT WAS
ACCELERATEPTABLE TO YOUR STAFF FROM A PLANNING PER PECKTIVE ING
NING PER INGNING PERSPECTIVE THE DENSITY ON THE SITE WOULDN’T
INCREASE . WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT ?
» WELL, FROM MY — THROUGH THE SPEAKER, FROM MY PREVIOUS
COMMENT, MY EXPERIENCE WITH MID RISE IS THAT YOU SEE DENSITYIES
IN THE FOUR, FIVE AND SIX TEEMS TIMES LEVEL .
IN A TYPICAL MID RISE . SO I REALLY CAN’T RESPOND TO
WHAT YOU HEARD AT COMMUNITY COUNCIL AS TO WHY THE PROPONENT
FELT THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT DENSITY .
» OKAY. AND THE OTHER CONCERN THAT WAS
ADDRESSED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS APPLICATION, THERE’S IT’S A
LARGE BLOCK, OF TOWNHOUSES. MY UPSING, THOSE IN UNDERSTAND
ING, THOSE TOWNHOUSES WERE BUILT LONG BEFORE WE EVER CONSIDERED
AN LRT ON EGLINTON AVENUE, WE — AT LEAST FROM A PLANNING
PERSPECTIVE THAT’S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT
DIFFERENTLY NOW BECAUSE WE’RE LOOK B LOOK B AT A HIGING AT A
HIGHER ORDER OF TRANSIT IN SCARBOROUGH. WOULD YOU STILL
LOOK AT TOWNHOUSES YOU KROOSZ ACROSS STREET ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, THERE ARE ALSO PLAZA SITE AND OTHER
SITES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY SO WE’RE — AGAIN, WE’RE COMEING
BACK TO THE VISION FOR EGLINTON EAST ALONG FEATURE TRANSIT LINE
AND WE’RE TRYING TO PROMOTE THROUGH THESE INCREMENTAL
SESSION DECISIONS A NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY .
THE TOWNHOUSE APPROACH ACROSS THE CITY AND I CAN THINK OF A
LOCATION ON DUNNDASK WHERE TOWNHOUSES WERE BUILT AT ONE
POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WORKED AT THAT POINT POINT
IN TIME . WE EVENTUALLY TOOK TOWNHOUSES
OUT OF THE ZONEING BYLAW AND NOW WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MID
RISE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING THERE.
SO THE — YOU KNOW, THE MIND CHAINS CHAINS OVER TIME CHAUNS
OVER TIMINS OVER TIME AND THE XHIE PLAT XHI CLIMATE OF THAT
COMMUNITY CHANGES AND WE HOPE TO INFLUENCE THE DIRECTION IT GOES
IN WITH SOME OF THESE INKRE CREMENTAL APPROVALS .
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . FORUM CALL. — QUORUM CALL . » MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, PLEASE
PRESS YOUR BUTTONS TO INDICATE YOUR PRESENCE IN THE CHAMBER.
THANK YOU. » MA SDAMDAME SPEAKERS RS,
THERE’ERS, QUORUM . » SPEAKER: QUESTIONS ?
» I’M WONDERING IF I CAN POSE THIS DINS AGAINST THE SECTION OF
SCARBOROUGH THAT CONTINUES ON FOR MY WARD .
ON SHEPARD IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SITES ON
THE EAST SIDE OF VICTORIA PARK SIMILAR TO MINE, IF THEY END UP
IN APPEAL EVEN IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHEPARD EXPANSION
CURRENTLY MY METRO LINKSLINXES IT’S IT’S SLATED FOR 2041 IF WE
ARE LUCKY. THE APPLICANTS CONTINUE TO
APPEAL THAT THIS IS A SITE OF FUTURE TRANSIT AND THEY GET
THEIR DEATH SENTENCE DENSITY. IS THAT NOT THE CASE ALONG THE
EGLINTON EXPANSION ? OR ARE APPLICANTS — IS THIS NOT
ENOUGH DENSEITY? ARE THEY NOT COMING FORWARD SAY
ING THERE’S FUTURE TRANSIT HERE I WANT DENSITY ?
DID THIS START OUT AS A MORE DENSE APPLICATION ?
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, I DON’T BELIEVE IT STARTED OUT AS A MORE
DENSE APPLICATION . I THINK WHAT IS BEING DESCRIBED
IN THE QUESTION IS BEFORE THE TRANSIT IS IN THE
OFFING OR FUNDING OR EVEN IN A PLAN.
IN THOSE SITUATIONS WE — YOU KNOW, YOU WILL OFTEN SEE
APPROVALS OF RECOMMENDATIONS BUT WE MIGHT ACCOMPANY THAT WITH A
HOLD BECAUSE WE NODE KNOW THAT WE REALLY SHOULDN’T BE APPROVE
ING — NOW BUILDING THAT DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE TRANSIT
CATCHES UP . THAT’S WHAT I WOULD CALL, YOU
KNOW, ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS CALLED FOR IN THE PLANNING
ACT .
I RECOGNIZE THE MARKET IS NOT THE SAME MARKET ACROSS THE CITY
AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT THIS COUNCIL GRAPPLES WITH.
THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT CERTAINLY THERE’S AN EXPECTATION
THAT THESE TOWNHOUSES WILL SELL, PROBABLY IN A WEEKEND .
SO THE PRODUCT, IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW IS A SELLABLE PRODUCT
BUT THE DISASSOCIATION WHERE FROM THE LONG TERM VISION, THE
PLANNING INGNING VISION FOR THIS CITY WE FEEL THERE SHOULD BE A
TIGHTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUY OR
SELL ON THE MARKET AND THE DIRECTION, THE OVER ALL
DIRECTION THE CITY WANTS TO G IN. IT’SO IN.
IT’S A PERFECT WORLD WHEN ALL THOSE THINGS ALIGN AND THAT’S
WHAT WE WORK TOWARDS . » DECEMBER PIETD THE MARKET,
SPITE THE MARKET, 182 UNITS HERE, HOW DID THIS GET BEFORE
COUNCIL WITH ZERO AFFORDABLE HOUSEING?
AT THIS GENERAL JUNCTURE, AT THE POINT IT WAS APPLIED FOR WE
WOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INCLUSIONARY ZONING WITH THE
PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA .
HOW IS THIS BEFORE US WITH NOT ONE UNIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSEING
AT A PLACE LIKE EGLINTON THAT NEEDS A MASSIVE SHOT IN THE ARM
FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO LIVE NOT IN THE SWANK Y DOWN HOMES TOWN HOMES .
AFFORDABLE HOUSEING OUT HERE IS BADLY NEEDED .
IS IT NOT ? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, IT’S
CERTAINLY — » I’M ASKING THAT QUESTION
KNOWING THE ANSWER BECAUSE I DRIVE THERE CONSTANTLY.
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER ISSUE IT’S EER, AFFORDABLE HOUSEING IS
BADLY NEEDED ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.
THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY PLANNING FRAME WORK IN PLACE IN THIS
LOCAL AREA BEFORE THAT MATTER THAT CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE
INCHUGSCLUSIONARY ZONEING POWER YET TO BE ABLE TO REQUIRE A
COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT TO BE AFFORD AND . ABLE. TOEDFFORD
ABLE . SO WE’RE MROK BLOCKING IN LOCK
ING THAT PRA ING LACKING THAT FRAME WORK TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
THAT HE HA DO TO DO THAT. IT WASN’T THROUGH THE INFORMAL
NEGOTIATION . » THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION AND
WE HAVE A WHOLE- MINUTE TO ANSWER IT.
YOU CAME TO COUNCIL, YOUR PLANNERS CAME TO COUNCIL WITH
THE REFUSAL REPORT . WHEN YOU DO THAT YO YOU SORT OF
KNOW WHAT PROBABLY WILL BE THE NEXT STEPS, WHAT MIGHT BE OWNER DO HERE, WHAT DOES YOUR
CRYSTAL BALL TELL YOU IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IN
REFUSING IT ? THIS SITE IS NOT GUILTY GOING TO
NOT DOING TO STAY UNDEVELOPMENTED .
IT’S VERY EDDEVELOPED. WOULD THEY GO BACK TO THE DRAW
ING BOARD AND COME BACK WITH DENSITY THAT THEY HEAR US WANT
ING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSEING THEY HEARING WAU ING US WANTING?
SDLSZ THROUGH THE » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, THAT’S SP
A SPECULATIVE QUESTION . I THINK YOU’VE GOT YOU ARE OUR
ADVICE WHICH IS BEFORE YOU AND YOU HAVE THE APPLICATION BEFORE
YOU FOR TOWNHOUSES AND IT’S IN IN
YOUR GOOD AND STEADY HANDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
» FAIR ENOUGH I PUT ON YOU YOU ON THE SPOT .
I’M TAKING SOMETHING FROM TONE. THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER .
» SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR PERKS . » COUNCILLOR PERKS: THANK YOU .
WHEN THE CITY OF TORONTO DOES ITS TRANSIT PLANNING THE
PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED IN THAT SO THAT WE CAN TRAY TO
TRY THE OH MATCH WHERE WE’R TO TO MATCH WHERE WE’RE GUILEDING
OUR DENSITY TO WHERE WE’RE BUILDING INING OUR TRANSIT?
» THE SAME CHAPTER IN THE OFFICIAL PLAN.
» » COUNCILLOR PERKS: PERK» COUNCILLOR PERKS: ABSOLUTE PERK
. » COUNCILLOR PERKS: ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN WE’RE EVALUATING POTENTIAL TRANSIT LINES PARTLY OF WHAT WE
EVALUATE IS THE FORECASTED POP LEAGUES IN THE AREAULATION IN
THE ARREST, AUR, THE DENSITY SO WE CAN PROJECT RIDERSHIP.
» THAT’S CORRECT . » COUNCILLOR PERKS: THE
BUSINESS CASE FOR TRANSIT LINES DEPENDS ON THE OFFICIAL PLAN
GUYEDING TH ING GUIDEING THE DEVELOPMENT TO THOSE AREAS ?
GLSZ THROUGH THE SPEA » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, WE TRY TO
MATCH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DENSITY .
YOU CAN SEE THIS NOW IN PROTEN VINCIAL POLLICY IS PORLT TO
SUPPORT RIDER SHIRP AND THE VIABILITY OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
> » COUNCILLOR PERKS: SO IF WE
APPROVED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION S THAT ARE BELOW THOSE
PROJECTIONS THAT HURTS THE BUSINESS CASE FOR PLAN TRANSIT
INVESTMENTS, DOESN’T IT? » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, OVER TIME
IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BECOME AN UNSDZ UNZ PERFORMING LIN ING
UNDERPERFORM AN UNDERPERFORMING LINE IF YOU WILL .
SGRS » COUNCILLOR PERKS: IF WE START
TO APPROVAL LOWER DENSITIES THAN WHAT THE OFFICIAL PLAN CALLS FOR
IS TO MAKE THOSE TRANSIT INVESTMENTS LESS EFFECTIVE AND,
YOU KNOW, SPEND MUST BE PUBLIC MONEY FOR LINES THAT WILL BE
UNDERPERFORMING. » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, THIS IS
WHY WE WOULD HOPE TO I A ACHIEVE TRANSIT ACHIEVE TRANSIT OR RE
URBANIZE OUR AVENUES. IT’S A LONG STANDING RESPECTING IN OUR
PLANNING TO ING INING RELATIONSHIP IN OUR PLANNING TO
SUPPORT THE VIE LIBLT VIABILITY OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM WE ALL
WANT TO BUILD . » COUNCILLOR PERKS: THANK YOU.
» SPEAKER: THANK YOU . COUNCILLOR THOMPSON .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER .
THROUGH YOU, THROUGH SPEAKER TO MR. LYNNTON, YOU RESPONDED TO
COUNCILLOR CARROLL’S QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO WLORPT THIS
PARTICULAR WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT STARTED OUT
AS A MORE DENSE APPLICATION . YOUR ANSWER WAS NO I DON’T THINK
I DON’T BELIEVE SO. IS THAT CORRECT ?
» I BELIEVE IN THE CONTEXT OF A MID — I DON’T BELIEVE — I
STAND TO BE CORRECTED . I DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS A MID RISE.
IT WAS PERHAPS A MORE DENSE TOWNHOUSE APPLICATION .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS BEEN IN
DISCUSSION FOR OVER 20 YEARS. ARE YOU AWARE THAT ALMOST 20
YEARS AGO WHEN THE OWNER CAME FORWARD TO ASK THE CITY FOR A
HIGHER DENSITY OF THIS LOCATION THERE WERE THEY WERE REFUSED?
» I’M IN THE AWARE OF THAT, NO . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: WOULD
THAT BE A SURPRISE TO YOU ? » WELSH AGAIN, THROUGH THE
SPEAKER, I TRY TO DESCRIBE A SITUATION –» COUNCILLOR
THOMPSON: NO, I WAS ASKING IF IT WOULD BE A SURPRISE TO YOU.
» NOTHING REALLY SURPRISES ME . THEFRP THEFRP
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: FAIR ENOUGH .
FAIR ENOUGH . FAIR ENOUGH.
WITH RESPECT TO THE OVER ALL AREA, I THINK YOU SORT OF SUCH
TOUCHED A DERNT DIFFERENT ON IT, WHAT — TOUCHED A LIN LITTLE BIT
ON IT SHTHS WHAT, WHAT OTHER MID RISE IS IN THE AREA NOW AND IS
THERE ONE PLAN BEYOND THIS PARTICULAR SATE?
SFLS » THROUGH THE SPEAKER, I DON’T
HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS. THEFRP THEFRP IF I
TOL» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: IF THOFR .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: IF I TOLD YOU THERE WAS NONE .
SDMRSZ I WOULD » I WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO DIS
BELIEVE YOU . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: I’M ON
THE COUNTY COUNCILLOR ON THE NORTH IED SOMEWHER WHERE ALL THE
TOWNHOUSES HAVE BEEN PUT IN. »S IN THE EAST YOU SEE SPRES SPR
FOR MUCH INTEREST FOR MUCH MORE THAN MID RISE .
SORRY TO THE QUESTION .
— SORRY, TO THES WEST TO THE SORRY.
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: ARE ALL THE PLANNING DECISIONS MADE BY
YOURSELF AND YOUR TEAM ON CYST ENT WITH CONSIST ENLT WITH
RESPECT TO THENT WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANNING PRESENCE PELLS,
AMENDMENTS OR ADJUSTMENTS IN TERMS OF INPUT FROM THE
COMMUNITY AND LOCAL COUNCILLORS AND SO SON ON SM» SO THROUGH
THE EBBING SPOOER, WE HAVE A POLICY LED ENVIRONMENT IN
ONTARIO. WE HAVE GROWTH PLANNING,
ROETHLISBERGER VINL POLL GROWTH PLANNING INS AND POLICY OFFICIAL
STATEMENTS. WE ARE PLANNED TO GIVE YOU
ADVICEDVICE THAT’S CONSISTENT AS THE BRELT OF CONSIST ENENCY.
WE ARE ALL POINT TO THE VARIABLE IN THAT ENVELOPE WE’RE PROVOIDED
ED PROVIDED . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THAT CAN
CHANGE? » ABSOLUTELY .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: YOU TALKED A LUBT ABOUT LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THE DESIRED SET BACK THAT I THINK YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IS
8.5 METERS. WAS THAT CORRECT ?
STLSZ THAT’S WHAT I WAS ADVIS » THAT’S WHAT I WAS ADVISED BY
STAFF THAT WE WERE SEEKING . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: WHAT IS
HAVIN ACTUALLY BEING PROVIDED NOW, FIVE FEET METERS ?
» FIVE METERS ALONG EGLINTON . » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: YOU SAID
THAT CAN WORK ? » I BELIEVE I ANSWERED THAT IN
THE POSITION THAT WE’RE IN RIGHT NOW WITHOUT AN APPROVED EA WE’RE
GIVING ADVICE BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW IN ADVANCE OF AN
APPROVED EA AND A FINAL DESIGN . SO IT’S A CHALLENGEING SPOT THAT
WE’RE IN. » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: YOU
WOULD AGREE WITH ME THOUGH THAT THIS IS AREA, IT’S COMPLEX IN
THE SEB SENSE OF WHAT IS THERE NOW AND WHAT THE FUTURE INTENT
AS AS A CHIEF PLANNER WHAT YOU WOULD LOO I CAN TO LIKE TO SEE
MAY TAKE 100 YEARS TO ACHIEVE ? » I DON’T KNOW IF IT WOULD TAKE
100 YEARS IF WE COULD ADVANCE THE EGLINTON EAST LRT IT
WOULDN’T BE 100 YEARS. I THINK THAT’S A CRATE CRIMINAL
CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT’S NEEDED FOR THAT PART OF
THE CITY TO ADVANCE THE REAL POTENTIAL .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: SURE. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT .
THIS ONE PROJECT — THIS ONE SITE DOES THAT ALTER THE INTENT
WITH RESPECT TO THE EGLINTON LRT GOING UP TO KINGSTON ROAD TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO ? DPRSZ THROUGH THE SPEAKER
» THROUGH THE SPEAKER, IT’S ONE BLOCK IN THE FOUNDATION OF THAT
VISION . ILL HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE AS
MANY –» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: IS IT A REAL BLOCK THOUGH ?
IS IT A BLOCK? SFWLSZ IT’S AT THE» IT’S AT THE
RN COER SGRSZ IT’S » IT’S AT THE RN COER .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THOFR CORNER .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: IN AND AROUND THAT AREA OF NO APRIL
FRILLS . WEST SIDE YOU HAVE SHOPPERS DRUG
MART AND THIS IS MIXED EDED USE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO ME WHERE ARE TO
WANTH TO AREA SOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE?
» IT’S A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD .
IT’S HOUSES . »
» » COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THOFRP .
» COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: I’M THINKING ABOUT IN IT’S KEEPING
WITH THE TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY THAT’S THERE ?
» WELL, THE TOWNHOUSES — » SPEAKER: THANK YOU. THAT WAS
YOUR LAST QUESTION. »
» WE SEE THAT TRANSITION ACROSS THE CITY WHERE WE’RE INTRODUCE
ING MID RISE ALONG OUR MAIN STREETS AND WE TRY TO MOLE THAT
MID ADVISE RISE TO IT DOESN’T EFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS FWAL ON THE NORT ACTUALLY ON THE NORTH IED SOLVE
THE SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO IT’S ACTUALLY A PRETTY
STRAIGHTFORWARD XER SIZE . THE E EXERCISE. THE SIELTHXER
EXERCISE SIZE. THE SIGHT SITE THE TIGHT WHETHER YOU’RE BUILD
ING MIL INING MID RISE OR TOWNHOUSES.
» THAT’S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS. YOU PUSH PUSHED THE WRONG
BUTTON. YOU PUSHED TWO WRONG BUTTONS. CAN YOU PITCH COUNCIL PUSH
COUNCILLOR ROB’S BUTTON, NOT YOUR BUTTON ?
CAN MB SOMEBODY DELETE THAT MEEZ .
COUNCILLOR COLLE. » COUNCILLOR COLLE: I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT THE LOCATION OF EGLINTON AND DAN
PORTFOLIO ON THE DANFORTH ON THE STREEN SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE IT .
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER — I KNOW COUNCILLOR
CARROLL HAD THE GOOG GOOING P GOOING P GOING GOINGGGLE STREET
MAP OF IT. IS THAT POSSIBLE ?
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US THAT AREN’T THAT FAMILIAR
WITH THE INTERSECTION THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT. OPPONENTS OF ORDINAR
POIVENT OF ORDINAR POINT OF ORDER, WHAT WAS THAT ?
ARE YOU TELLING ME HOW TO VOTE? DID YOU HEAR THAT, MADAME CHAIR
? » SPEAKER: YEAH . KOI
COUNCILLOR, PLEASE . STOP INTERRUPTING. THAT’S IT
FOR THE QUESTIONS . SO RATHER THAN GO TO THE SPEAK
ERS DO WE HAVE ANY QUICK RELEASES BEFORE RERECESS ?
THEN WE’LL CONTINUE THIS ITEM LATER. COUNCILLOR WOPPING TAM, DID ER
LOR WONG-TAM, DID YOU WANT TO RE LEASE ANY OF YOUR ITEMS ?
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: YES, MADAME SPEAKER, I CAN REDUCE TWO
ITEMS. THE FIFRS ONE FIRST ONE IS TE L.
8.11 . 53 YOUNG STREET, MELINDA STREET
AND WELLINGTON STREET WEST . SO I COULD RELEASE THAT ITEM, MA
DEEM SPEAKDAME SPEAKER AND THE SUBSEQUENT REPORTS TO THAT .
THERE IS ALSO — SORRY, I SHOULD MENTION THERE’S AN E MOTION .
» SPEAKER: WE HAVE THE COPY THAT YOU CIRCULATED .
» COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: IT WAS CIRCULATED YESTERDAY.
THIS IS A FOLLOW UP WITH RESPECT TO SOME CHANGES THAT WE BEGAN
TALKING ABOUT AT THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL MEETING. THIS IS A
MOTION NOW PREPARED BY STAFF AND I WOULD LOO I CAN TO MOVE THAT
LIKE LIKE TO MAUVE THAT. » SPEAKER: THAT’S ON PAGE 48.
11. THE MOTION IS ON THE SCREEN .
ALL IN FAVOR ? CARRIED .
ITEM AS AMENDED ? ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED . OKAY.
YOU YOU’RE RELEASEING TE 8.30 AS
WELL 7.P 0 AS70 AS WELL ? » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: I AM,
ALTHOUG ALTERATIONS TO A HERITAGE PROPERTY, 199 BAY
STREET, 25 QUINNING KING STREET, WEST AND 56 YOUNG STREET .
THERE’S A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT THAT STAFF PROVIDED IF THEY CAN
PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN . IT LITERALLY IS ADDING FIVE MORE
WORDS TO THAT PARTICULAR CLAUSE .
» SPEAKER: ON TE 8.70 THERE’S AN AMENDMENT THAT’S ON THE
SCREEN. ALL IN AFFAIR FAVOR OF THE A
MENDMENT ? ITEM AS AMENDED ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED. THANK YOU . » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: PAGE 5,
C 10.23, 203 JAR VISVIS STREET REQUEST FOR DIRECTIONS.
I WOULD SIMPLY MOVE THE CONTENTS OF THE FON COB ANY DENTAL
CONFIDENT FIFIDENT ATTACHMENT . » SPEAKER: OKAY.
THAT’S ON PAGE 5, CC 10.8, COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM IS RELEASING
. ALL IN FAVOR ?
CARRIED. OKAY .
WHAT ABOUT 10.9 ? » COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: WE’RE
STILL WORKING ON THAT . SDMRS OKAY .
— » SPEAKER: OKAY .
ALL RIGHT. THAT’S
THAT’S IT FOR THE RELEASES? WE’LL REDUCECESS UNTIL 2:00 .

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