Catch Phrase suggestion, "Finland will prevail, hopefully. We will see "
I love your sense of humour…n somehow u make me feel that my 2 yr old will talk just like you..lol…God bless ..
The only myth here is that your myths does not exist
Giving homework everyday is a lot of homework ,it piles up sweetheart.
1. They do homework….that's a mythical myth. 2. They do exist….never heard that,Tyler. #privates3.Standardized testing is crazier in US ….u did not debunk that—-You are not funny. U have bad body language for a comic and serious talk.4. Where did u hear that? What I hear is teachers are professionals.5. Its cos Tyler is not a smart teacher!!!Hahahaha. Finnish teachers are prestigious. I did not finish the video…..Pun intended
Home works do come after 6th grade, kids not do them. But even then you really dont have to do so IF are listening in classes, only after 9th grade when you go vocational etc schools it gets more intense and you need to read more.
So you’re telling me they have to take 2 whole standardized tests during primary school and high school, and in america we have to take 2 per year starting in 3rd grade.
I dont get homework and i live in finland
Sorry, follow-up on "myth" 5. By your own statement, there are more applicants for teaching jobs than positions available. What's the situation in the US? Is it comparable? Again, Columbia Teachers' College may have that kind of interest. Also, you say that one of the criteria they use is suitability to teaching. That's great, yes? You're a teacher from the States? Do you have comparable training? If so, everyone benefits. But you benefit by being able to teach in Finland, one of the premier experiences, in my book. Not many people get that chance. If I had it now, I'd definitely take it, and I absolutely hate snow. (I lived in Poland, so I know snow!)
Myth 5. Hmm. In most US states, you need a bachelor's degree plus a teaching certificate of some kind. At the secondary schools, you usually need a subject-specific certificate, which, while not an MA, is still an extra qualification. On the contrary, American schools sometimes reject a higher qualification in favor of a lower, as was the case when I studied German at a community college. My professor had a doctorate in teaching German but was not allowed to teach at a US university because of restrictions imposed by (non-unionized) faculty at the time. She taught us to read Fraktur, for example, and she helped me get private tutoring from a German national living in my city (San Jose, primarily Hispanic, not German). But to tackle the point you seem to be eliding, it's a sad fact that GRE scores for admission to graduate programs in education are lower on average than for programs in the sciences or in a field like history or even English literature. While not gainsaying top educational institutions like Columbia Teachers' College, I am not as impressed by what people in education write as I am in fields like history. For example, a rather thoughtful book came out last year about the overuse of detention and suspension in American schools. Alas, it opened with one of these ubiquitous "phony quotes" that people just love to decorate their books with. All the authors had to do was do a check of the supposed famous saying to find that it was wrong–and in so doing they might have found something much better, and accurate, to boot.
Myth number 4 about salary is maybe like the log-cabin myth. None of the sites that I looked at said they got PAID the same as doctors or lawyers. What the sites mentioned was that they were respected like doctors and lawyers. That's definitely the case in the Far East, where teachers are second to doctors and, now, high tech folks, but ahead of lawyers, but there's a reason for that: Lawyers in the Far East play quite different roles in society, because it's difficult to sue someone, mainly because people are expected to work out problems on their own. I went to court in Taiwan over an assault near my school by some drunk buffoon. It was the judge, the defendant, and me. I had to conduct my business with a representative and entirely in Chinese. The judge accepted my claim, which was for the cost of going to the hospital for an x-ray, plus damages–all of which the defendant was eager to pay, since he got off so very lightly by anyone's standards. I mention this because a thug respected a teacher, even a foreign one. Now, when I was in Finland (1972, if memory serves), teachers out in the countryside where I visited were quite competent at teaching English, and the kids I talked with were eager. At that time, the farming family I lived with (and helped with the haying) had a husband who spoke Finnish, Swedish, English, and a smattering of German; a wife who spoke Finnish, Swedish, German, and a smattering of English; and Grandma, who spoke Finnish, Swedish, and Russian–no German or English. (My only regret was, I didn't know at the time who Sibelius was–hence in part my interest in the topic of Finland.)
Myth number 3 is also dealt with by the Top Ten list. They didn't mention the "9th grade test." However, such a testing system has been the case across Europe and in the Far East for a real long time. In the late 1960s, the woman who became my wife took specialized language courses at a kind of "business-trade" school and went on to become a quadrilingual secretary for a Swiss-American company. In the 90s, one of my Taiwanese students got to go to the top all-girls' high school in Hsinchu; I visited, observed classes, and talked with teachers. Another of my students chose not to attend a higher level school but one in his neighborhood for which he was slightly "over qualified." He went on to a top Taiwanese university, onto an MA in Boston, and a doctorate at Claremont. We had a similar kind of test when I was growing up in California in the mid-60s, but it was for students at parochial schools to attend the top Jesuit high school. I opted for the public h.s. in my neighborhood, where we had a two-tier system, one mainly for Hispanic kids shunting them to vocational-education courses and one mainly for (upper-middle-class whites (and the 3 upper-middle-class black kids in my class of 700) to go on to university. And so on. All systems seem to have a means of separating students into different programs of study.
Myth number 2 about "no private schools" also seems to be a Michael Moore suggestion. But on the Top Ten website discussion of Finland's schools, they say exactly what you say: there are private schools–but they are subsidized. So I don't know who is feeding you the myths.
Glad to help you out on myth number 1. It's part of a Michael Moore film in which he interviewed teens from one school who said they had little to no homework. No one else supports the broad claim, as far as I can tell. On the contrary, school systems in which I worked in the Far East gave little homework: Japan, Korea, Taiwan. One reason for that is that most students attend what are called "cram" schools after school, often at their own insistence, not necessarily that of their parents. A couple of days a week it's math, a day or two science, a day or two English, a day or two music… I know what you're thinking, they have weeks longer than 7 days. Really, it's some overlapping, where they attend two different classes a day. (I taught 5 years in Japan, 3 in Korea, and 9 in Taiwan. People I know from the latter two countries say the situation is the same or similar today.) When I lived in Hawaii, incidentally, children of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean heritage went to school on Saturday to study their family's language, mainly the literary language and the use of traditional writing (Chinese characters, the kana systems, and Hangul, respectively). Maybe the high ranking that students from these cultures have in math and in science has something to do with their discipline in studying language, as well. Another high achieving group in the US are students who study Hebrew. There may be a correlation between valuing language study (and study of one's traditional family culture) with high performance in other disciplines. Just a thought,
This dude is so not funny…but the best thing in this video are the comments from the Fins debunking his comments. Also, some of these so called myths no one has even heard of; it’s just his ideology.’
Great video. Found it when looking for more details on the system. the questions I am hoping to get to the bottom of are more in depth. Could the Finnish system work in America? For all groups? For which groups? Does Finland have a lot of poverty and such to deal with like in the US?
I'm in the US. I'm being pulled behind by bad classes. It takes my math class 3-4 days for each lesson. I already know most of the concepts from summer studies and have tried to get to a better class but can, as my classes are dragging me behind. I try to compensate by taking other classes, but it can only take me so far. all this because I failed one test in 6th grade, I now have to take slow classes I am in no way fit for. The us education system is broken and dysfunctional. Teachers aren't respected, so kids are treated poorly. I've lost confidence in the school I go to, and have been having motivation issues with school lately. I wish I could find an escape, but there is none for me.
what about special needs childrens school?… do they have a separate one or all together?… like for blind children, where do they teach them?
please can u be my teacher 🙁
dont give yr self a hair cut..lol
For all those bores, say instead: siamo terminati per oggi!
I'm new teacher and our education minster canceled homework to follow your lead can you help plz to take insight to your education system
this is a great debunk video
I got less and less homework as I went through my schooling and by the last two years I didn’t have actual prescribed homework just my normal assignments and exam studies.
American rubbish and "myths" made up By the speaker himself or other Americans
OMG you're such a dork LOL I love it
Most likely explanation is that our school system is just high average European standard but Finnish language gives huge advantage when reading a text about an unfamiliar topic. At least results split between Swedish and Finnish speaking students hint that. Of course the language aspect wasn't originally studied at all and it hasn't got wider publicity which have resulted to funny myths about a good school system.
Also studies publish headlines from average results where Finland does well because difference between weakest and strongest results are much smaller than other places. But when comparing top results to other then Finland would be just an average country. The equality in schooling (and society in general) can be a good thing in many cases. But it removes the chance from exceptional childs to push to their limits.
Teachers' salary increases with increments. Your earnings go up several times during your career as you gain more work experience. The pay also depends on what level you teach. Another factor is the number of extra lessons you teach and other tasks you carry out. The pay is set by trade agreements, which all schools have to follow. So there is no inequality according to where the school is. In Finland there is only one teachers' union and it negotiates with the government on equal basis. 98% of teachers belong to the union. Teachers have great independence and they are trusted to do their job properly. There are no inspections in classes and very little paper work besides marking students' papers. Summer holiday is 10 weeks but the time off during terms is only about five weeks in total. Students get plenty of home work, especially in senior high school/upper secondary school but there is very little national testing. However teachers give tests on a regular basis.
Hi walton, These information broken many of the myths about what you have discussed. Thank you so much.Iam a software engineer in a IT company in India. I need to know something about this topic. Could we please talk on WhatsApp.
So Finland's education system is the same Agenda 21 UN Jesuit dis-education crap as everywhere else.
Finns just over perform despite the UN Jesuit objectives.
Wtf in germany most private schools charge 400 or more PER MONTH. FINNLAND HOW
This is the problem I have with a semi-ignorant but overly self confident US'er busting myths: You are actually creating and/or solidifying them. Thankfully we have helpful, patient Finnish people putting in the effort to sort out inaccuracies in English, which is a third language they learned at school. Some humility might look good on you, Tyler Walton.
no no its never being about pay check, it´s about respect of teachers being in the same as doctors or lawyers..i have 3 kids and im so happy how teachers continued to raise our kids the way we would-.. so lots of respect for them 🙂
You are right!
I almost never had homework but i guess it depends on the school and teachers. Did you teach a steiner school?
What are you trying to say? American schools suck. Average level of education in the USA is also pathetic.
Dance was 47 minutes too short 😉
Lol i'm in a finnish school and i almost never get homework
SNAP THATS GOING TO MY CRINGE COLLECTION
No homework? Fp
I have a fucing big load of homework so i can prove thats bullshit
It always confuses me (im finnish) that, well lets start with vocabulary first:
Low = alaMiddle = keskiHigh = yläSchool = koulu
Now into my point:
Elementary school is translated to: alakouluThis in word to word is in english: low school
That doesnt confuse me yet. But…
Middle school translates to: yläkoulu, not keskikouluAnd yläkoulu in word to word translates into: high school
And actual high school trasnlates into: lukioWich is its own word.
That confuses me
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